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View Room Comments for Monday, Feb. 17 2014

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engineguy 2/17/2014 5:52:24 AM Report

Happy Family Day to everyone in the sweet Soo,,,,little cold out,,,spend some time with your family today, life is too short.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 6:24:35 AM Report

Good Morning and happy family day to everyone! I came across something in the bible which gave me a new found understanding regarding the issue we`ve all been debating. NIV bible Romans Ch.1 vs 24-32.
Grump 2/17/2014 6:41:17 AM Report

Good morning everyone, Happy Father's Day. I can only hope that the junior Granola crew find something better to do today. I was thinking of starting a rant myself today about the discrimination against Church goers because no one is painting a cross on their front door or mounting one on their roof. Think of all those Church goers that may have to move to Toronto or New York to hide among their own. I'll be Ok because I am what I am and believe what I believe and don't have to get in a snit because someone else doesn't buy into it. Have a great day all.
Grump 2/17/2014 6:45:22 AM Report

Status, by the way I'll be over later to paint up your shop doors. Get back to me on your colour preference. LMAO.
Grump 2/17/2014 6:51:39 AM Report

Status the other thing I should mention is that I'm really not much of a painter so maybe you should get at it quick. TLMAO
Spellchecker 2/17/2014 7:14:50 AM Report

It's no use, Gurpy. You are only asking for trouble in here mentioning the Guidebook for Humanity. They think they know better than their Creator. Many have no idea about what He says and have no inclination to look it up. Those that do will find arguments against it. They think they know better and are suffering the consequences for it.
lookaround 2/17/2014 7:24:38 AM Report

Happy Family Day remember not all get Family Day off
dust2 2/17/2014 7:38:13 AM Report

>"I was thinking of starting a rant myself today about the discrimination against Church goers because no one is painting a cross on their front door or mounting one on their roof. "

troll bait?
Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:42:25 AM Report

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooGch7s900U
dust2 2/17/2014 7:46:58 AM Report

^ says the video is unavailable
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 7:52:23 AM Report


Loaded again?

Stop watching porno.


CLT 2/17/2014 8:06:42 AM Report

dust2
Troll bait for sure. Go easy on him. He's old. He thinks its Fathers Day.
dust2 2/17/2014 8:17:43 AM Report

oh good lord

happy fathers day LOL
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:31:51 AM Report

Never too late www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdQ6_MAH2A
bounder 2/17/2014 8:40:27 AM Report

GRUMP;
You're full of BS, today is Family day and Fathers day is June 15.
You should research before posting, LMAO.
dust2 2/17/2014 8:44:02 AM Report

some bad troll bait today
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 8:45:31 AM Report

.......and out come the Bible thumpers, with their multiple interpretations of the "Good Book'. Yup, that good book......the one that has been the source of more hate for fellow man than any other written words.

The bible has been translated so many times, into so many different languages that Jesus himself wouldn't recognize it.

Gurpy, get over your homophobic attitudes, join the human race. I think the one thing the 'good book' says is to love thy fellow man. Actually, it's promoting homosexuality, if you want to interpret it correctly. So, get your groove on, get your head out of your arse (not a gay thing, an ignorance thing) and join the 21st. century.
theprotector 2/17/2014 8:46:22 AM Report

religious garbage again? COme on
666 is the way to go!
Javaman 2/17/2014 8:46:43 AM Report

Today is a needed Feb break that we call family day....for lack of another name. Every month should have at least one 3 day weekend.
Just Curious 2/17/2014 8:49:41 AM Report

@ javaman; I think we are almost there now, aren't we??
dust2 2/17/2014 8:49:42 AM Report

big brother, don't even take a bit of that bait. it's too easy man, they want you to argue their nonsense.
dust2 2/17/2014 8:50:31 AM Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_fJjUErv94
Javaman 2/17/2014 8:51:52 AM Report

I think June and November are short a 3 day weekend. April perhaps too since Easter falls at differing times.
irishfey 2/17/2014 9:36:19 AM Report

Happy Family Day Folks... Good day to hold all we cherish close.. should be doing this everyday... Gurpy.. Romans is a great Book, speaks of how and why we are in the mess that we are in today,, but please listen to Spelly and keep your pearls to only those that will hear them. Casting your pearls here only leads others to fall deeper into the pit that they are already in and we don"t want to be responsible to help them in their journey.... Grump>> How is your knee doing? I stopped me exercise some time ago and it hurts like heck! Do you still continue with yours? I guess it"s an ongoing thing that has to be done, no??.. Oh well, back to the "board" for me ,Dr. said i couldn"t ski anymore either,, good thing he said that as i never skied before ,lol....
old-cat33 2/17/2014 9:42:27 AM Report

Happy Family Day Everyone, A three day weekend in the middle of winter goes by just as fast as one during the warmer weather.
This used to be called Heritage Day at one time wasn't it? Then Bob Rae turned it into a stat holiday to get more votes? This was only a stat holiday for the past three years? I don't know,too many pucks off the forehead over the years....LOL.
Well gang still got some shovelling to do outside on the roof so I better get busy.
right wing 2/17/2014 9:53:38 AM Report

B.B.

It is obvious you do not teach theology.
The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten over and over again.
For example the New Testament.
The disciples wrote it in Greek.
Of the 6,000 copies of the original that have been studied, written close to the time period of the original, they agree with each other to an almost 100% accuracy.
The very tiny percentage of inaccuracies are made of spelling errors and word alterations.
statusquo 2/17/2014 9:58:20 AM Report


Gurpy...thanks for the Bible passage,


"For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:"

Great stuff! I shall convert yet...just give me time. I am truly a lost soul ,meandering through life's journey in wickedness and despair.
I once dated a Bible thumping dame.....I couldn't keep up with her though. The ideas they get from reading the Bible....
You keep on there little Jesus warrior....one day I too shall succumb to the one and only truth.
Right now I am not interested....too much wickedness in my heart .
(smiley face)
statusquo 2/17/2014 10:00:05 AM Report

Good stuff rw,

Is that from google or Christian Monitor?

Just wondering.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:04:11 AM Report

statusquo

Just a fact.
Problem with it.....
Jimssm 2/17/2014 10:05:22 AM Report

rw

I think Big Brother was speaking of the current Bible.

An example... using Gurpy's Corinthian reference to homosexuality....

Many current Bibles use the word 'homosexuality' in that verse, but my grandmother's bible (circa 1895) uses the word 'effeminate'.

You must admit, those two words have completely different meanings and change the whole meaning of the verse in which they were used.

Someone, somewhere, 'in their wisdom', may have changed what God wanted to tell us.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:09:32 AM Report

...you can think that's what he meant all you like.
I was merely commenting on the common myth that the bible as a book has been re-written or translated so many times it has somehow been greatly altered.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:11:03 AM Report

...and Jimssm, take note of the last line in my post.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:12:51 AM Report

statusquo

You react the same way as Gurpy does when the bible, God, creation etc is brought up as a topic.
You're just in the opposite corner....
Wicket 2/17/2014 10:13:23 AM Report

The written word of anything is interpreted differently by all that read it, as we all have a different perception of any given event.
dust2 2/17/2014 10:16:22 AM Report

I like the part where the snake tells the humans to not eat the apples. I like my stories with talking animals
right wing 2/17/2014 10:17:07 AM Report

Wicket

You mean Tom Sawyer didn't really grow up along side the Mississippi River....
flyhawk25 2/17/2014 10:18:20 AM Report

Just one comment on the bible.
I went back to university to get another major - in theology - and anyone can believe whatever they want.
Just don't muddy the argument with non-facts.
Those stories started as an oral history centuries before they were transcribed.You figure it out.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:20:31 AM Report

flyhawk25

...and who was it that did the oral.
Javaman 2/17/2014 10:22:30 AM Report

So many people have been murdered in the name of religion. SAD.
statusquo 2/17/2014 10:24:01 AM Report

rw,

You are aware though that for people that read the Bible and take it as the literal truth, i.e as it is written so it is and not in the symbolic sense then every other religion,every other God or mythology to guide people through life is and must be therefor
false and misguided.

Is that not far more arrogant than saying, "I am not sure but what I am sure of is that the truth cannot be found in any book".
66cherokee 2/17/2014 10:25:50 AM Report

Getting off the religious part of today, did anyone watch the news last night about the retired general who charged $72,000. to move 4 minutes, yes 4 minutes away from where he lived. Yes, his cost should be covered, but not $72,000. It is you, the tax payer who pays for that. The Federal government, whether Conservative or Liberal should tighten up those rules. I am not against him getting some cost covered, but really, $72,000. As a retired person, I can't afford much more money going to the Federal government it being either run by the Conservative or the Liberals. The NDP will never get into power.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:27:42 AM Report

statusquo

Are you aware that they all have one thing in common, a god, a creator, a higher power...the rest is just semantics, chocolate, fudge and whip cream.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:29:40 AM Report

...and stats, stop focusing on the fanatical...they exist for all topics.
mallet 2/17/2014 10:31:09 AM Report


Flyhawk 25..

Oh dear Fly, I know what you mean, but that gives way to the old joke from the first World War, when they had runners to send messages. One started off that "please send reinforcments the general is going to advance" this message passed through 5 or 6 runners up to headquarters where the panting runner blurted out the message "please send three and fourpence the generals going to a dance". Oral histories get embelleshed and also parts ommitted to make the story more compelling...
statusquo 2/17/2014 10:32:58 AM Report

Yes rw,

A common thing! Its called the human condition and the search for meaning.
Very similar to drugs. And I don't mean that in a condescending way as I am in no mood for it...today that is .
But I generally agree with you.
Wicket 2/17/2014 10:34:49 AM Report

right wing, - maybe, maybe not, was the house situated right on the river or was it one street over. I live by the river, can see it from my house, but do I live on the river, at the river, near the river, by the river - rotflol....
Just Curious 2/17/2014 10:36:26 AM Report

Looks like the posties don't get today off.. The mail delivery truck was just here filling the gray box on the corner...
statusquo 2/17/2014 10:41:15 AM Report

"I am middle aged, divorced...I don't have a job and live in a van down by the river!"


http://youtu.be/3nhgfjrKi0o
right wing 2/17/2014 10:42:22 AM Report

statusquo

...and that is why science is on it's way to proving creation.
We are basically infants, slowly peeling back the layers of understanding, but one thing it shows with unwavering certainty, how little we really understand.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:42:55 AM Report

J.C.

Provincial holiday, not Federal.
right wing 2/17/2014 10:45:50 AM Report

stats,

Classic one.
...speaking of drugs, hate them all I do, another brilliant comedian taken by drugs.
statusquo 2/17/2014 10:46:24 AM Report

rw,

"how little we really understand"

Ha! Agree .


nanag 2/17/2014 10:54:44 AM Report

Happy family day everybody

enjoy the day.. I work today.. cuz sick folks don't take holidays off
Javaman 2/17/2014 10:55:53 AM Report

That general had a million dollar house that he sold. The 72 grand included the real estate fees charged to sell the house. RIDICULOUS EH ??
statusquo 2/17/2014 11:02:15 AM Report

Java,

Or the dresser was really heavy, with all them medals and such. Totally understandable.
flyhawk25 2/17/2014 11:07:52 AM Report

If the general played by the rules then there really is no story.
If not - hang him out to dry.
Jimssm 2/17/2014 11:10:55 AM Report

I really don't want to get into a religious discussion because I have my own beliefs and others have theirs.

My only problem is with people who cherry-pick Biblical passages to suit their argument (i.e homosexuality)


How can you use Biblical verses to say, condemn homosexuality, and yet also bemoan middle-eastern cultures that stone adulterers to death or cut the hands off thieves ?
Jimssm 2/17/2014 11:11:57 AM Report

The General was going by the book.

If we don't like it, get the book changed.
Just Curious 2/17/2014 11:13:06 AM Report

Wasn't sure if the posties had it yet or not.. I know they wanted it on their next contract....
dust2 2/17/2014 11:13:13 AM Report

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/16/retired-general-says-tories-launched-personal-attack-over-his-expenses-to-undermine-his-role-as-trudeau-adviser/

Looks like the $72,000 went to mostly real estate fees. The person under fire didn't negotiate any of it, the move was paid for by a program offered to veterans serving over 20 years.

it's a problem with the program, not the individual. this guy didn't waste tax payer money, the government handled and negotiated the move.
OTHERight 2/17/2014 11:32:35 AM Report

"How can you use Biblical verses to say, condemn homosexuality, and yet also bemoan middle-eastern cultures that stone adulterers to death or cut the hands off thieves ?" Jimssm

Thank you! Question of the day! Enter the word HYPOCRITE!
Black-white (cherry-picker) thinkers are a scary bunch.
irishfey 2/17/2014 11:39:55 AM Report

Javaman.. "" murdered in the name of Religion"",, and it still continues today.. Islam...
realitycheck 2/17/2014 11:42:42 AM Report

"Wasn't sure if the posties had it yet or not.. I know they wanted it on their next contract...."

Just Curious:
You do realize Family Day is a provincial rather than federal holiday, right?
Just Curious 2/17/2014 12:11:04 PM Report

realitycheck; yes I do, I also know the postal workers want the holiday in their collective agreement. The problems arise because it doesn't fall on the same day in all provinces that celebrate it..At the rate the post office is falling apart it might not matter much anyway...
sparks7 2/17/2014 12:29:31 PM Report

Just watching womens hockey.Oh my god I am falling in love.Melanie Daoust.What a beauty!
Grump 2/17/2014 12:52:31 PM Report

Sparks7 I don't mind my women fit but I don't want one that could easily hurt me.
Grump 2/17/2014 12:53:52 PM Report

Bounder you will have to get with the program. Everyday is Father's day around here. LMAO.
sparks7 2/17/2014 1:00:52 PM Report

Oh man Grump,I guess it's a case of each to his own but she could hurt me all she wants.If only I could be that lucky.And here is the thing...I only saw her face for all of about 2 seconds..I guess love at first sight is a real phenomena..
Gurpy 2/17/2014 1:01:11 PM Report

Hello again,
I don`t appreciate being told what to post about as it is a violation of my human rights. Should anyone be offended by my opinions etc, simply do not read my posts! Very simple!
Should sootoday ever tell me to stop and provide me with a legitimate reason then, I will comply! Until then, I will pop in as I please and will post as I please just like everyone else does.
protector...you want 666? you got it!! Your choice! We all have a free will. Everyone enjoy your day! Hopefully, there will be some changed hearts before council meeting tomorrow. Prayers go out to Mayor Debbie!
Grump 2/17/2014 1:08:55 PM Report

OTHERight You will have to work on your reading comprehension. Jimssm was against using the Bible to condemn homosexuality not for it, so you are apparently in agreement. It would be nice now if you could understand that without all the fuss you made or having it pointed out.
lookaround 2/17/2014 1:16:14 PM Report

Just Curious the Feds don't dare ask for anything since the great Chrets gave the union seven years without a raise from 1993 till 2000.
right wing 2/17/2014 1:28:08 PM Report

GENEVA - A U.N. panel warned North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Monday that he may be held accountable for orchestrating widespread crimes against civilians in the secretive Asian nation, ranging from systematic executions to torture, rape and mass starvation.

Come on...what is the world coming to when the U.N. is actually calling a spade a spade....
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 1:39:58 PM Report

redranger, did you know this one:

The Ballad of Kynd Kittock.

Attributed to William Dunbar.

My Gudedame was a gay wif, bot scho was ryght gend,
Scho duelt furth fer into France, apon Falkland fellis;
Thay callit her Kynd Kittock. quhasa hir weill kend:
Scho was like a caldrone cruke cler under kell;
Thay threpit that scho deit of thrist, and maid a gude end.
Efter her dede, scho dredit nought in hevin for to duell,
And sa to hevin the hieway dreidless scho wend.
Yit scho wanderit and yeid by to an elriche well.
Scho met thar, as I ween,
Ane ask ridant on a snaill,
Scho cryit, "ourtane fallow haill!"
And rade ane inche behind the taill,
Till it wes neir evin.

Sa scho had hap to be horsit to her herbry
Att an ailhous neir hevin it nyghttit thaim thare;
Scho deit of thrist in this warld, that gert hir be sa dry,
Scho never eit, bot drank our mesur and mair.
Scho slepit quhill the morn at none, and rais airly;
And to the yettis of hevin fast can the wife fair,
And by Sanct Petir, in at the yet scho stall prevely;
God lukit and saw hir lattin in, an lewch his hairt sair.
And thar, yeris sevin,
Scho levit a gud life,
And was oor Ladyis hen wif;
And held Sanct Petir at strif,
Ay, quhill scho wes in hevin.

Sche lukit out on a day, and thoght ryght lang
To se the alehous beside in till ane evill hour;
And out of hevin the hie gait cought the wif gaing
For to get hir ain fresche drink the aill of hevin wes sour.
Saint Petir hat hir with a club, quhill a gret clour
Rais in hir heid, becaus the wif yeid wrang.
Than to the alehouse agane scho ran, the pycharis to pour,
And for to brew and baik.
Frendis, I pray yow hertfully,
Gif you be thristy or dry,
Drink with my Guddame, as ye ga by,
Anys for my saik.









irishfey 2/17/2014 1:55:08 PM Report

Grump>> Your post about Folks painting a cross on their door amused me... have you ever noticed some doors ,( not slab ).. if you take a good look at some of them ,they already have the cross on them ,lol.. mostly the older ones but some on the new ones too... ya, ya.. it has to do with the grain or something, but it always reminds me of the verse.."" Behold i stand at the door and knock ""... Jimssm>> I said that before in a post... folk just take a verse from the Bible and twist it to suit their own need. You have to read the whole chapter to get what it"s all about. Although i"m afraid that when it says that a Man should not lay with another Man, and a Woman with another Women, well, it can"t be any clearer than that,, BUT, it"s not for any of us to judge and i don"t think it"s any more of a sin ( according to the Bible ), than one that kills another etc. ... We are to LOVE one another and leave the judging up to God.
theprotector 2/17/2014 2:11:50 PM Report

good for you gurp! I hate religion I hate your god, I hate the mayor, but thats my opinion...and I think we respect each others opinions regardless if we agree or not. However when you have people like steelworker, wisen, right wing posting only to spread the cancer that spews from their mouth its enough to make one want to puke.

Gurpy post all you like you have my support....we will seldom agree but have in the recent past and therefore you have my respect!
Wild Turkey 2/17/2014 2:21:48 PM Report

In keeping with the theme religion to- day, coupled with "This Day In History"-On this day in 1600, Italian philosopher-Giordano Bruno , was burned at the stake for heresy, by the Inquisition.
No misinterpretation there---it actually happened.
right wing 2/17/2014 2:25:11 PM Report

gurpy

Congratulations you now have earned respect from a gnat......
right wing 2/17/2014 2:26:41 PM Report

Many folks were burned at the stake as the villagers were all tripping on what amounted to the equivalent of an LSD trip.
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 2:33:44 PM Report

66cherokee, I did post that particular issue yesterday afternoon.
The General was critical of the mismanagement of taxpayers money in the ministry of defense, then he retired and decided to go on to politics and identified himself with the Liberal Party and that's only when the Old Boys pretended to wash the Senate scandal, but there is more around the corner.

Not to worry, the General will start explaining what is going on inside, where the ministers and the elite have infinite amounts of money at their disposition, but a veteran is a disposable piece within the system.

You didn't heard the whole story, yet.

And the General is allowed to that expenditure when relocating, but if the law is not clear toe Duffi, Wallin and others, probably it's not that clear in this case.

When you have a minute, you can elaborate about the legal fees the party had to pay to Mulcair's lawyers, or wasn't.
irishfey 2/17/2014 2:47:23 PM Report

Oh, what the heck,lol....I found this interesting... The Bible is unique in it"s continuity,, It is the only book that was written over about a fifteen hundred-year span.,,,, Was written by more than 40 authors from every walk of life, including kings, military leaders, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, tax collectors, poets, musicians, statesmen, scholars and sheperds.... For example, Moses was a political leader, trained in the universities of Egypt,,David was a king, poet, musician and a shephard and warrior.....Amous was a herdsman... Daniel was a prime minister... Peter, a fisherman.. the list goes on.... The Bible was also written in different times, years and on different continents.. Asia, Africa and Europe, and was written in three languages,, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Old Testament was in the first two while the New Teatament was in Greek. The point i"m trying to make is that some of these Men did"t know each other but the Bible all comes together as a whole... The Old proclaims the New and vise versa. Take the writings of Daniel,they come to life in the Book of Revelation written by John. To me,, it just proves that it, The Bible, was guided by the hand of God and to this day, it"s still the no. one book that hasn"t been able to be taken out of circulation.... just saying......
irishfey 2/17/2014 2:58:47 PM Report

Jimssm.. re.." someone in their wisdom "... sorry, but no one can change what God wanted us to know....
Gurpy 2/17/2014 3:27:15 PM Report

protector
There are times when you warm my heart! Why? Haven`t a clue!!Lol
People do not realize that hatred is a murdering spirit! I`ve actually been afraid for the mayor the past couple of days. I do not have a good feeling about tomorrow!
Irishfey- how are you girl? You mentioned B12 shots for fibro? I have fibro but have always had a high level of B12 in my system. My iron goes low.
In general, I`m beginning to understand a bit more about the gay/lesbian community. This recent debate has brought me back to things I had researched on my own, long ago, such as body, soul & spirit ties. Things are slowly coming together. Put the LIONS back in their cages please! Lol
Jimssm 2/17/2014 3:31:39 PM Report

Irish...

I agree completely... no one can change what God wanted us to know.

... but if you read may post above regarding Corinthians, a HUMAN changed the word 'effeminate' to 'homosexual' in the Bibles I have. A HUMAN decided that God wanted to say homosexual and not effeminate. There is a big difference in meaning between the two words.

.... and that is just one example of MAN presuming they know what GOD is thinking.

Let's just stop judging, shall we ? Leave that to the big guy.


Gurpy 2/17/2014 3:36:26 PM Report

Jimssm
I didn`t use Corinthians reference. It was Romans.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 3:38:08 PM Report

Jimssm
Not judging. Exchanging of info. They can do whatever they want with it.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 3:48:43 PM Report

irishfey
You know a lot about the bible! Love reading your posts! Did you know there is only one sin God will not forgive? That one sin is blasphemy against His Holy Spirit. All other sins will be forgiven if repented of. And you are right, bible has never left circulation! Awesome
sparks7 2/17/2014 3:49:29 PM Report

"A HUMAN decided that God wanted to say homosexual and not effeminate."

Did God really say "effeminate"??

Geez,I sure wish I had a direct line to God like that.I bet Wisen does too. (:
Gurpy 2/17/2014 3:59:32 PM Report

People don`t realize that what homosexuals are doing is no worse than the individual that cheats on their spouse!! OUCH!!! NO!! NO LIONS PULLESE! I`M LEAVING! I PROMISE! LOL
Jimssm 2/17/2014 4:11:32 PM Report

Gurpy...

The Youtube video you linked quoted Corinthians 6:9. (your 8:31:51 AM post)

I was just using it as an example of how a falible man can put his own meaning to what infalible God meant to say.

No big deal.
right wing 2/17/2014 4:12:21 PM Report

Jimssm

Show me a dude oozing effeminate and you'll find a homosexual, 99% of the time....once again, who cares.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 4:23:25 PM Report

Jimssm
My mistake. Sorry! I thought you meant my 1st post which referenced Romans.
BTW, I was asking myself why you would not be going to Africa with the Mrs? None of my business but, what if some hunk of burning love swings by her in a leopard skin loin cloth and you never see her again?? Lol sorry couldn`t resist!Lol
Jimssm 2/17/2014 4:33:15 PM Report

rw..

I would argue that... but...

... taking it the other way, does that mean that if a homosexual is the macho side of the pair, he's free and clear ? ... because he's not effeminate.

.... and then you throw lesbians into the mix, which the Bible doesn't mention.

You see it gets confusing when we try to judge when we have no right to judge.


The golden rule is the only one I bother with.

right wing 2/17/2014 4:42:53 PM Report

Gurpy

True blasphemy is when one witnesses a miracle performed by God or Jesus (the trinity) and then denies it happened or that the miracle happened through the use of evil and not the good of the holy spirit.
So pretty safe to say that most folks don't have to worry about that one.....

Jimssm 2/17/2014 4:44:48 PM Report

sparks...

I doubt God used the word effeminate... or homosexual.

....But the guy who translated the ancient Greek scrolls written by another guy who wrote what he thought God wanted him to write did use the word..... but that's only the English version.



irishfey 2/17/2014 4:45:02 PM Report

Jimssm.. point taken... I know a few Men that are..effeminate. and they are certainly not Gay. I have older Bibles also, just never thought to check it out. As i said,, i don"t judge.. will leave that up to God.. not "" the big guy " :).. I seen on here before that some folks said that they have read the Bible 2-3 times,, that"s good, but do they study it.. big difference! I respect your posts, thank you for respecting mine also.. Earth to Gurpy,lol,, stop yelling ! ( caps),lol...What i have learned from here is that you gain more respect ( from the ones that count ) if you talk in a more quiet manner.. ( pot calling kettle i know),lol, yes i have lost me cool, but won"t happen again! Just ignore the ones that upset you, they only do it to get a rise outa you and think that it makes themselves look big in the others eyes,,, not worth making a holy show of yourself,lol... Yes, your right about the sin against the Holy Spirit. I am no scholar but i have quite the collection of Bible related books that i have gathered over the years and i love to read. Am glad that you do too.... later...
sparks7 2/17/2014 4:45:36 PM Report

jimssm

Yup,the golden rule rules imo.
Jimssm 2/17/2014 4:46:56 PM Report

Gurpy...

I'm not going to Africa because I'm already there quite often. It was time for my wife to spread her wings a bit and do a solo run....it's good for her soul to not always have me running the show.

Please don't take any of my biblical comments as an attack... I just don't take the Bible as literally as some do.

"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you" is the only part I use in my day to day life. If I end up damned for that, so be it.




right wing 2/17/2014 4:48:07 PM Report

Jimssm

That is why I stated, who cares.
I don't want to sound cliche but I know several gay couples (both male and female) and they do not fit any of the stereotyping.
They are great neighbours, great people, have careers, live good lives, live as private a life as any of us and no...none of them march in gay parades.
They are simply living life like the rest of us.
right wing 2/17/2014 4:53:41 PM Report

...once again I will ask, do you define yourself first by your sexual orientation or by who you are as a person.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 4:58:15 PM Report

You`re probably a better person than most of us by sticking with that one verse! I`m in a lot deeper, have been for a long time. We all function in different capacities. Some how it all works out and no, I`m not offended by your comments. everyone is entitled to their opinion. Blue room is good for toughening me up.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 4:59:40 PM Report

RW
Who are you addressing?
irishfey 2/17/2014 5:05:14 PM Report

Right wing.. Pleased that you accept the Trinity,, there are some folk that just can"t wrap their minds around it. I have read a book called "" The Shack".. ever hear of it? It does a great job of putting the three together as one. The book is upstairs and i"m not going up yet ,lol,, but if you want the Authors name, i"ll post it later...
Gurpy 2/17/2014 5:08:34 PM Report

irishfey
Lol No one is upsetting me today. Not at the moment anyhow. Lol It`s all good
RW- you are right! That`s the point I was trying to get across. Some believe there are certain sins that are never forgiven. That`s false.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 5:09:46 PM Report

irishey
Have you read the book "Driven by Eternity" by John Bevere?
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 5:13:09 PM Report

rw,
The bible, like fly stated, was passed on through oral tradition. A 1000 page document, written piecemeal, at differing times, passed on through word of mouth, wouldn't even stand up in a court of law if it was passed on from last week.

You mentioned earlier today, 6000 transcribed versions of the bible (I'll take your word for that), with similar meanings, or some such thing. (You are aware that the printing press has only been around for 600 years) From Greek to Latin to English and a multitude of other languages. As each layer of translation is added, meaning goes awry.

The Bible is too wide open for interpretation. Therefore, it is used for improper justification of committing other so-called sins.

Oh, and the gay couples you speak of, who live relatively normal lives, do so because others have stood up to society's prejudices. The battle for acceptance had a price and still does. Those who live in peace, do so because others have fought the fight for them. And the struggle continues, obviously.
irishfey 2/17/2014 5:15:41 PM Report

Jimssm.. no the Bible does not mention the word.. Lesbion... but if a Woman has sex with another Woman,, is that not what Society has called them, and they themselves?...So what"s the difference ?
dust2 2/17/2014 5:37:30 PM Report

I like to take my morals from a book that was written when slavery was okay
Gurpy 2/17/2014 5:44:55 PM Report

dust2
Lol
Gurpy 2/17/2014 5:46:12 PM Report

dust2
You said in an earlier post that you like talking characters or animals? Google Veggie Tales.
northernmale 2/17/2014 6:01:56 PM Report

Gurp my wife has fibro she has had it for years. She started getting it in her forteys. When she got it some doctors hers being one had no idea what it was.She did her own research . Anyway she takes a needle with b12 onetime a month. She also buys iron pills from behind the counter. The ones off the shelf are not strong enough.I believe hers are called farmax.She finds it realy helps and has tried everything.She has days she can not even get out of bed. She has found this winter bad for her fibro. My heart goes out to anyone who has it, as it,s not nice.
theprotector 2/17/2014 6:34:04 PM Report

oh yes the mighty right wing, the cancer on this site. Too bad - it is always so much nicer when you are not around. But you are used to that from growing up arent you? Once a bully always a bully. Now too feeble mentally and physically to do much of anything. Sad in so many ways, yet makes me happy!

Gurpy she will be fine dont worry!
irishfey 2/17/2014 6:58:33 PM Report

Northernmale.. Thank you for that post to Gurpy on the Fibromyalgia. I relate to your Wife and i have found this winter just terriblle too. I have started my B12 shots also thanks to the advice from in the Red Room. I"m going to check into the farmex also. Some folk just don"t believe in the condition and it"s very frustrating. I have to fight sometimes in the morning to get out of bed also, so i feel for your Wife. The worst thing for Fibro. is stress!.." Why" am i in here?? ,lol.... Gurpy>> Veggie Tales?? ,lol.. Good one!!!.. You all have a great night.. and God bless....... Gurpy.. I might not be here the rest of the week,, see note in the R.R... Behave ,lol
Pink Peony 2/17/2014 7:09:36 PM Report

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I just heard something on the radio about this. Thought I would share. It's counting down on that site...about 1 hour and 50 minutes until the asteroid zips by.
Pink Peony 2/17/2014 7:15:24 PM Report

If anybody is interested, I have an Old Testament commentary and a New Testament commentary as well as a Bible dictionary that I am done with. They're up for grabs.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:27:19 PM Report

northernmale
I`ve had the fibro for quite a few years. Was triggered off by a fall which left me with nerve damage, shin splints and host of other "lovely" conditions I`d gladly relinquish! My B12 was up in the 700`s a few years back. The Lab flagged it. I know of many who could use some extra. I do share! Just need an I.V. Tell your wife to try "Releve X". It`s a herbal anti-inflammatory & natural pain reliever. A few years back, I could barely walk! The chiropractor told me about this product. What a difference!! Cheapest place to buy it is the health food store in the Station Mall across from Regis. I swear by it!
Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:29:21 PM Report

protector
Are you "protecting" me? Awwww! Lol
Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:32:34 PM Report

irishfey
I was telling nothernmale about a product I use. It`s called Releve-X made by Platinum. It is fantastic! Go to the health food store in the Station Mall across from Regis. Lot cheaper there. And yes, I will behave or at least try to. talk to you later.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:38:00 PM Report

Pink peony
Hang onto your books! Never know when you`ll find someone who`ll appreciate them. I usually keep a few extra bibles on hand for that purpose. Sometimes find them for next to nothing at "friends of the library".
Pink Peony 2/17/2014 7:45:09 PM Report

Gurpy, I'm done with those books. I'm not interested in hanging onto to them. One way or the other, they're outta here soon. Based on the comments of some here today, I thought there may be someone who would use and appreciate them.
Prometheus 2/17/2014 7:47:03 PM Report

For Big Brother

You stated “A 1000 page document, written piecemeal, at differing times, passed on through word of mouth, wouldn't even stand up in a court of law if it was passed on from last week.”

Apparently the Supreme Court of Canada disagrees with your view and the value of a document passed on through word of mouth. I cite this decision from the appeal of the Delgamuukw v. British Columbia case:

“On appeal, the Goatskin and Wet’suwet’en won a precedent-setting victory for oral history to be given weight as legal evidence. Chief Justice Lamar of the Supreme Court of Canada concluded,

“The laws of evidence must be adapted in order that [oral] evidence can be accommodated and placed on an equal footing with the types of historical evidence that courts are familiar with, which largely consists of historical documents.”


While the decision has been clarified by other decisions, the acceptance of oral history is for the moment a concept of Canadian jurisprudence.

Gurpy 2/17/2014 7:59:09 PM Report

Pink Peony
Mayby I can convince protector to read them. I`ll get back to you.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:00:16 PM Report

protector
Honey, I have a little surprise for you. Pink Peony has some books that mayby you`d be interested in??
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:04:43 PM Report

Prometheus
I don`t understand your post. What are you trying to say?
Did you know that a lot of the laws in the USA are based on the bible? Some are very outdated. There was one case where a young unmarried couple discovered they were pregnant and wanted to marry but couldn`t due to an outdated law. The fellow sure was in a lot of hot water!
Pink Peony 2/17/2014 8:05:54 PM Report

Maybe spellchecker, rw, irish...
Hunter101 2/17/2014 8:07:28 PM Report

I can tell you that Herbal supplements have no evidence behind them and are not regulated. Go the real route and seek medical help which actually is proven to work.

There's a reason most Docs don't recommend these types of supplements.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:18:53 PM Report

Hunter
I am no longer able to use prescription anti-inflammatory. They make me sick! Herbals are the reason I`m able to walk today! They are not regulated by the government because they actually work! If people get well, government loses big $$$.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:30:21 PM Report

dust
Pink Peony has some books. Check the posts and if your interested let her or I know. Did you check out veggie tales? My kids were still watching them as teenagers!!Lol Not kidding!
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 8:40:26 PM Report

Thanks for the info Prometheus. Look into oral evidence that is a couple of hundred years old. Most of the Bible was written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. Therefore, by word of mouth, passed on from generation to generation. Much was written under duress of clerical despots, church leaders, who were, in many cases, more powerful than the politicians of the day. The Bible is a very nice story, but it's validity to base mortal moral judgement on any group or value set is somewhat ridiculous.

Homosexuality was promoted in Greek/Roman civilizations. Loyalty to your fellow warrior was an asset. Also, the far and distant reaches of their empire required soldiers to be away from home for very long periods of time. Warriors in their prime, physically and sexually were kept satiated sexually through homosexual relationships.
sweetc 2/17/2014 8:43:26 PM Report

I to do not understand how people can take some verse of the bible and live it but completely ignore others. I guess it could be their flavour of the day. HMM this verse suits me today... I think I will use it.

The bible also says that we should not eat pork? How many of you bible thumpers out there eat of the pig?


Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:48:09 PM Report

dust2
You said the link did not work? Try www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGch7s9OOU or
www.com/watch?v=zXsVgmDA114. If all else fails, google "Heaven`s Gates & Hell`s Flames". It`s a video drama. A lot of the local churches have it as a live presentation around Easter. It is wild! I thought it would be some "mickey mouse" church play. NOPE! The special effects are out of this world!!
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:49:37 PM Report

sweetc
The pork thing is old testament.In the new testament Jesus declared all food clean.
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 8:53:22 PM Report

.....and your thesis statement is answered sweetc. Now, the Old Testament is trumped by the New Testament. Convenient eh??
Gurpy 2/17/2014 8:57:48 PM Report

Big Brother
The bible is not just a "very nice story" as you put it. Don`t take my word for it. Dig a little deeper!
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 9:04:47 PM Report

BB, I'll not go into the Bible thing because is not my interest, neither would I mix the religion in the issue because then we can not have a dialog about the issue.

Your assumption about the army and the rest about soldiers is very much an imagination.

You are an articulate person and you know that homosexuality is not a choice in the way some people repeat as a parrot. An homosexual is born homosexual, his sexual preference is dictated by the chromosomes and not for the itching in the sphincter. Now, this is basically what is know till now, but only now and in the last, say, 5 or 10 years, the scientific community started to explore in a different way.
From my corner, and I may be punish for saying it, but an homosexual has as much of a choice to be as a kid or a girl may have a choice of Down syndrome.

In any circumstance, an homosexual is a human like you and me and should not be persecuted for such a condition. The rest is all open to discussion, but if we part from that line, that is not a preference, or a choice, but rather something on what there is no choice or election, then we can explore all the options.

When I was young, we had few professors who were homosexual and for the tenor of the studies at one point or another we had to discuss the issue and it was middle 1960, it was clear then that the chromosome dictated homosexuality, but still I can't understand the difference of passive and active pederasty and homosexuality in general, but I suspect that's where the environment and the psychological aspects play an important role.

I don't know how you did arrive to the conclusion about soldiers and homosexuality, but it will be interesting that you explore the arab world preference of camels over dogs and sheep.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 9:05:12 PM Report

Big Brother
God doesn not lie. His word never changes. Satan is the father of lies. True that the bible was written by man but was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The spirit of the living God.
flyhawk25 2/17/2014 9:07:14 PM Report

Oh boy.
That's enough for one man for one day.
Gurpy 2/17/2014 9:10:08 PM Report

Goodnight all! Sweet dreams!
Hunter101 2/17/2014 9:15:19 PM Report

Gurpy, what you said about people getting better and the government losing money makes no sense.

The government spends millions on drugs for seniors and people on social assistance.

If someone were to say here's something that is proven to work and is cheap, safe and lets the have a good quality of life then they would jump all over that.

The fact of the matter is, it may work for you, but for 99% of others it doesn't.

Have you ever seen what the meds for Fibromyalgia cost?

Let's just say a month is usually over $100.

I can tell you that if the government could say "Here's an Herbal supplement that works excellent and we have data to prove it" that would be done in a heartbeat.

It's cheaper than the Rx alternatives. There is no government conspiracy. Simply put, Herbals & Holistic medicine are not regulated, their purity can vary drastically, and bottom line is no doctor should ever recommend them. There is no way of monitoring for interactions with other Rx drugs.
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 9:15:55 PM Report

Bobby,
Very well said. And I agree wholeheartedly. It is basically what I have been saying.

Much is written about the Greek/Roman warriors. Homosexuality was not discouraged in those civilizations. Historians pretty much agree with one another. Of course, the predisposition would have to exist, but there certainly was little prejudice aimed at homosexual behaviour. Another social condition was that women were considered less on the social scale. Men found it more satisfying to have sexual relations with a peer than with a lesser being, or female.
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 9:18:11 PM Report

BB, the perverted greeks promoted pederasty more than homosexuality. Aristotle, Plato, Socrates all perverted.

The Roman Empire promoted homosexuality? Please BB, Romans carried orgies that lasted weeks at the time, drinking, eating and vomiting, then eating again and having sex with two, three and six women at the same time.
No only the ancient Romans but also is the case of the Teutonic race, they protected their children, and that was not the case of the greeks who were as I said and repeat, a bunch of perverted dirty old bunch of illuminated.
BIG BROTHER 2/17/2014 9:26:00 PM Report

Bobby,
The Greeks and Romans promoted homosexual behaviour in their soldiers for the reasons I've already mentioned. I realize that chromosomal conditions would likely jurisdict the situation, but as you've already stated, the psychological/emotional factors that may exist.

As for the orgy's, today we would equate that lifestyle with a lack of respect for women. Homosexual behaviour doesn't preclude heterosexual behaviours. Bi-sexuality is common-place in society's of all ages.
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 9:42:22 PM Report

BB, look at what is history, we use the arabic numerical, right?

Well, mathematics and geometry was very well mastered in India long before the arabs, Petite Voleuse, stole the knowledge from that civilizations, then in modern days we know it as the arabic system.

The problem with the religion, mostly Christian religions of all sort, (as I see it) have been adapted to fit the needs of emperors, kings, queens, dictators and other sort of powerful people. Alexander the Great was in need of a kind of religion, but a flexible one in order to roll over the Ottoman influence, then Christianism was something useful to him. Remember that in the beginning christians were persecuted and it was mostly practice in secrecy and in my opinion, Jesus of Nazareth wasn't in the beginning the son of God in the way we know today, but rather the savior of his people and probably that connection with God father wasn't transcendental as it is today. In my opinion, there is no difference in the meaning of the existence between Jesus of Nazareth, Mahatma Gandhi, Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler or Che Guevara.

The only difference is the time, the needs of the people at the time and the billions of dollars that Jesus generates as royalties.

Add a bit of wine, incense, fancy cloths and you can make yourself some money.

There is no better business in this world and the next, that own a church, be a preacher, pastor, priest or whatever, but the more independent they let you, the better.

I'm radical and archaic in my beliefs, I pray in latin and sing the Kyrie, the Credo, Sanctus, Benedictus and Agnus Dei. But if I were a priest, my arrangement with God, should be like this: At the end of every day I deposit all the money in a basket, swing it upwards as high as I can and all the money that God can catch in the air are for him and all that money that falls on the flour is for me?

I'm against the Pope as Administrator.

It's only fair. Isn't it?
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 9:47:36 PM Report

Yes, you're right regarding heterosexuals turned homosexual, but let's not walk that path because perversions are also part of the deal and is not pleasant discussing that over here.
Bobby Nerves 2/17/2014 9:57:06 PM Report

Hold the horses with that of orgies. I had many ladies around me that I forgot already and I had a lot of respect for ladies. I live in monogamy since more than 20 years now and I'm OK with it. Regarding by-sexuality is common in "some" societies more than another.

The hippies era just happens in USA and maybe here in Canada, but I've only read about it. Promiscuity, multiple partners, drugs and all that, you can't attribute it to every society. I know more than one or two and that's not the rule and if it happens it's more part of the underworld.

I don't like it, it's repugnant to my principles, but neither do I like the snow, and the cold, and I stand it, but I'll have a big argument if my neighbor shovel the snow over my driveway.

Jimssm 2/17/2014 11:12:40 PM Report

Well, that's enough for me....lol

It was actually quite civil on the forum today...considering the topic.

..... so everyone have a cookie as a reward.
sparks7 2/17/2014 11:22:56 PM Report

LOL

Jesus says all my food is clean now.I'll go with that.
sweetc 2/17/2014 11:35:36 PM Report

Well.... so the not eating of pork is in the old testament. It is still written in the "good book". so it must be true. why are some parts of the bible considered truth and others not?
OTHERight 2/17/2014 11:48:14 PM Report

Grump - re your post early this pm

I am agreeing with Grump
I understood him just fine.
Maybe my response should have been more direct; however, I won't comment on your reading comprehension! ;)
sparks7 2/17/2014 11:54:26 PM Report

Sweetc

It's because I like bacon and eggs. And Jesus is looking out for me.
sweetc 2/18/2014 12:10:45 AM Report

LOL>>> then it is just because it is convenient to you.... you will believe or disbelieve. Interesting... it is all a matter of personal interest.
sparks7 2/18/2014 12:15:53 AM Report

Sweetc

You got it. (:
dadal 2/18/2014 1:15:01 AM Report

Now now kids, leave the Bible lovers alone. They need something to believe in, and they have decided a book of exaggerated stories that have been rewritten over and over and over again ( they have...do your research) is what gets them thru life. I love Bible thumpers. They tell the world how they practice what the " Good Book tells them to practic"- peace, love and good will to all men. That is unless said men are gay or non Christian or against anything they believe in. Then they want said men punished-even killed-for being non believers. All hail the loving being who wants to KILL those they dislike. I am always amused how these same ppl accuse the gay men of corrupting children. Yet more molestation happens from good religious men such as priests. And that is ok as a few prayers and POOF all is better. Until said men molest again. Gay partnerships with children don't molest. In fact they raise children to be tolerant....something our Bible worshipers are incapable of doing.
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