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View Room Comments for Saturday, Feb. 15 2014

Saturday, February 15, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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mikethedike 2/15/2014 5:08:23 AM Report

Wow, what a cop out, sootoday; referencing the story about the "pride" flag at city hall. You finally write a story that sparks interest, debate and you take that away from your followers? Shame on you! I was looking forward to hearing from my fellow Saultites, but now you forced me to take the perspective of only one person.
mikethedike 2/15/2014 5:17:39 AM Report

I mean, really, you would think a media outlet would understand the importance of Freedom of Speech. Good ole Sootoday is turning into a one-sided mainstream news agency. Congrats for jumping on the band wagon.
Grump 2/15/2014 6:13:41 AM Report

Good morning everyone. MikeTD there are enough red necks around without waving a red flag under their noses. In my mind the flag is not doing the gay cause any good, just POing those inclined to get that way. I don't often agree with this Mayor but think this is a good call. The flags at City Hall are there to represent Countries from where Sault residents have come from not gender groups. No disrespect to you Mike or anyone else as I don't care if you are into men, women, large woman and small cattle or large cattle and small women. Have a great day all.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 6:17:04 AM Report

God morning curling fans!!
Team Jacobs just took 3 for a 4-2 lead against GB.They're starting to look like the same rink that ran the table at the Briar.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 6:19:11 AM Report

Yikes.Still early and I dropped a vowel.Where's Vanna when I need her?
Grump 2/15/2014 6:32:18 AM Report

Good morning Fly, what the H are you doing up so early? I have a couple of small thing to clean up and some odds and ends to pick up. Mainly I have to get my ears lowered and my Barber comes in at 8:00 am on Saturdays. We couldn't get the time we wanted at Giovanni's last evening so settled for fish last night and will do Gs this evening after Church. Have a great day and try to behave for a change. lol
Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 7:39:18 AM Report

Awkward Grump, awkward! Could get pulled.
Opstday 2/15/2014 7:46:37 AM Report

Is it "Mikethedike" or "Mikethedick"?
Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 8:03:01 AM Report

Grump's first post loads up the boat with heterosexuality, homosexuality and bestiality. Sucker ain't gonna float.
Wild Turkey 2/15/2014 8:03:18 AM Report

The comments in the news section regarding the rainbow flag at city hall had a nice flow going yesterday .When people have a civil discussion, that is how I learn about stuff I know very little about.Unfortunately, a bunch of rude comments caused the whole discussion to disappear.So a word of caution dear Blues Brothers----keep it civil---and keep it on.
My comment on the subject---I agree with what Grump posted.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 8:25:49 AM Report

Wisen, you know how to draw your thinking on a piece of paper!

I never took an English course because I had to work from the first day I landed here, then I have to struggle with this language that on top of it is all against the grain, but I've applied previous experiences and knowledge and read a lot, but language is something you only master through mistakes and learning, one or two new words a day, it adds to 730 in one year, who needs more than that. I'll keep practicing.

I had a good laugh with your post.

soowat 2/15/2014 8:34:27 AM Report

Wisenheimer

Like Bobby, I laughed with you at your comment. There's nothing like a pithy comment to make a point.

However,that leads to a question. What floats your boat?
Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 8:53:00 AM Report

Kate Upton ..!!
soowat 2/15/2014 8:56:31 AM Report

Wisen

Has something to do with the main mast no doubt
Just Curious 2/15/2014 9:08:57 AM Report

The comments were starting to deteriorate yesterday so they shut it down..Should have pulled the whole thing,tho,in my opinion..They had to know it was gonna stir up a lot of crap..:)
Spellchecker 2/15/2014 9:23:40 AM Report

If you care to discuss homosexuality there is another opportunity to do so in David Root's room. If the comments are halfway civil, perhaps they will be allowed to remain.
Wicket 2/15/2014 9:39:01 AM Report

GAWD!!!!! I wish people would read and comprehend! The gay flag is about supporting ALL athletes in opposition to Russia's stance during the Olympics. It can be taken down when the Olympics are over.
Is that simple enough to understand?
Spellchecker 2/15/2014 9:42:54 AM Report

Not likely it would be taken down. More likely other special interests would be demanding their own flags to be erected.
Just Curious 2/15/2014 10:02:17 AM Report

Spelly, there may be hope for the mail carrier in your family yet..:). Canada Post blinked and the first one to blink loses, usually.. It actually makes no difference to me at all but I can see Monday, Wednesday, Friday delivery for a long while and then slowly transition over to the community boxes.. And here comes Dutch Touch, circling as I speak..:)
Looking4you 2/15/2014 10:03:00 AM Report

RE RAINBOW FLAG . It's real simple, those are the flags of NATIONS , COUNTRIES . Get a country get a flag real simple.,It's not a gay or straight thing. It's a matter of land ownership
Lol
Big Bad Bob 2/15/2014 10:21:32 AM Report

If I were still residing in Sault Ste. Marie, I would thoroughly endorse the following comments of Grump and Spellchecker concerning the gay flag issue:
The flags at City Hall are there to represent Countries from where Sault residents have come, not gender groups.
and
Not likely it would be taken down. More likely other special interests would be demanding their own flags to be erected.
itsme29 2/15/2014 10:32:53 AM Report

big bad bob, its not just there rainbow flag they want ERECTED
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 10:34:37 AM Report

My understanding is that the rainbow flag would be up only until the Olympics are over as a sign of solidarity against the Russian stance on gays.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 10:35:09 AM Report

Just Curious and Spellchecker, what Canada Post needs is privatization.

None of us is in a position to have an informed answer, but knowing how the Government manages the business it will not surprise me that the bigger expenditures are in overhead that can be reviewed, trimmed and/or redirected.

If the issue is pension plans as it seems to be in most cases, then we have to ask where is the money that the workers contributed to the plans, but as that's a hot potato, then we aim the gun to the head with the intention to hit the belly.

Canada Post is an elephant and there is not a chance that you can get a racing hound, no matter how much make up you stick to it.

And no one knows certainly, what interest there is behind such a change. Canada is the first of the G7 going this road of eliminating a service, while other countries wiped all off the table and started new, improved, and cheaper.

Unions are confrontational and they will have to moderate and change the language... check yesterday's VW vote to unionize it's force in Tennessee, they lost for 80 or so votes, but an election is an election and you can loose it for only one vote. With the difference that, should the Union had won the election for only one vote, they will be speed willing all over the USA and Canada.

JC, you said for you is the same, and so it's for me, right now at this age but my opinion will probably change in 10 years and so could yours.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 10:39:11 AM Report

@JustCurious:

I think it's sad that something as simple as a Pride Flag flying at City Hall for 2 weeks to show support for our fellow Canadians in Russia would stir up trouble.

I wish there didn't have to be so much debate over it...but then I remember that we're in Sault Ste Marie. We're not exactly what I'd call 'progressive'.
Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 10:40:00 AM Report

This is an ongoing issue, its not just during the Olympics. Russia has many anti-gay laws and people expect them to veto them to accommodate a minority?? Russia should not have to submit to them because of human rights...... different humans have different rights. what makes being gay trump others rights??

Russia treats gay propaganda like we treat child porn. its illegal that simple..... are you gonna back the pedophiles when they want their flag flown?? I think not!
Just Curious 2/15/2014 10:40:40 AM Report

Bobby, I do everything on line 'cause I am too butt F%^& lazy to go to the bank or the mailbox. 5 or 6 years ago I didn't know squat about a computer but I learned, and if I can ,so can a chimp.. LOL. Still can't text but that's another story...:)
Just Curious 2/15/2014 10:48:14 AM Report

Smashed; I don't care one way or another about who wants to love who or marry who. If you feel that way then give'er(or him, as the case may be), but the Olympics is about countries and athletes no matter their persuasion.. It's about all people that want to excel and prove themselves against the best the world has to offer, not about someone that wants to shout out "I'm gay" to the world and stick it up Russia's nose.. They have their laws and we have ours. And no, the flag shouldn't fly.. Stand your ground, Debbie....
Just Curious 2/15/2014 10:49:32 AM Report

And PS;;; Give it to them Brad and crew!!!!! Don't even watch curling but you guys are doing a hell of a job....:)
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 10:56:58 AM Report

Bad Dawg,

'Russia treats gay propaganda like we treat child porn. its illegal that simple..... are you gonna back the pedophiles when they want their flag flown?? I think not!'

Since when is pedophilia or child porn even close to being mentioned in the same paragraph as 'gay lifestyle'. It's negative connections being drawn that make the case for even more overt action by the LGBT community.

Starting to sound like Ted Cruz and his merry gang of tea partiers.

By getting in society's face, the gay rights movement has made strides to acceptance that wouldn't have happened without getting in society's face. Hiding in the closet hasn't produced acceptance of their lifestyle. Only overt, in your face actions have brought about change.
cathyh 2/15/2014 11:05:09 AM Report

Grump: Instead of attending at church I think you should go to biology class. Your comments on the gay flag shows your gross ignorance about humans and sexuality. IMHO the flag should fly to support the gay athletes in Russia and all over the world. Maybe the mayor could attend biology class with you.
Just Curious 2/15/2014 11:06:43 AM Report

Big Bro.. Why does it have to be in your face.. That's what bothers me. I simply don't care, have friends both ways. And, by the way, what's with this "coming out"stuff. I knocked up my girl friend at 17.. Other than plain stupid, did that out me as a heterosexual?? Helen page wants to stand in front of a huge audience and say she's gay, OK, but I'm pretty sure most of the world already knew . Be whatever in hell you want to be, just quit making such a todo about it. Sheesh...
Just Curious 2/15/2014 11:11:58 AM Report

cathyh, get a grip... It's about COUNTRIES, not sexual orientation.. If you're good, you're good and nobody gives a damn who you prefer. It's only an issue for those that choose to make it one. I'm sure most people could care less in this day and age. If Russia wants to stay a few years behind, so be it..Nobody says you have to go live there, just keep it in your pants while you're there..
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 11:13:23 AM Report

I'm not crazy about the idea of in your face either, but if it isn't in people's face, then it will make no impact. The day will likely come when it won't have to be 'in your face'. That is the day when acceptance will be true. Think Rosa Parks....she got in the face of authorities when she rode the bus. If she didn't do the bus ride, people would not have seen how ridiculous the issue really was. Why is it even an issue. Live your life and let others live theirs.
cathyh 2/15/2014 11:16:41 AM Report

Just Curious: I disagree with you 100%. How can you be so flippant about an issue that is in the headlines along with who is winning gold and silver? The point JC is that the LGBT community is persecuted for being who they are. Put the shoe on the other foot and see if you would like it.
Javaman 2/15/2014 11:31:18 AM Report

Would it really hurt to fly the flag during the Olympics? It is not like it is forever. Putin needs to hear that other countries are a lot more tolerant than him.
jojoe71 2/15/2014 11:55:35 AM Report

Personally I don't judge anyone by their gender.But I have a hard time referring to gay or lesbian as being normal. you need a male and female to propagate the earth. That is normal. I also believe some people are born with the gay gene.Some are born with down syndrome . We have to accept people the way they are. JMHO
Just Curious 2/15/2014 12:04:43 PM Report

cathyh, your choice, as is sexual persuasion, and I mean it , your choice.. I don't need it shoved in my face, neither does Russia. You can bitch all you want but Putin is gonna do as he pleases and flying a flag in the Soo ain't gonna do anything but stir up emotions here in the Soo, as it is doing. It accomplishes nothing as I'm pretty sure in this town of no secrets, everyone knows everything they need to know about anybody.. Hell, for a lot of years I was Bi-sexual, if I couldn't get it anywhere else I would buy it, but since the surgery it's not a problem anymore...LOL.Ease up people, we will be pissed off about something else next week...LOL :).
old-cat33 2/15/2014 12:05:23 PM Report

Gotta agree with you on that one jojoe!
NO CLASS,Russian coaches wouldn't shake hands after the game!.BOO!

Big deal if gay pride gets a parade.lets have a straight guy parade with a lot of chicks in short shorts and halter tops!!
Just Curious 2/15/2014 12:05:59 PM Report

Javaman, I repeat.....IT'S NOT A COUNTRY FLAG !!!!!!
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 12:06:43 PM Report

Norms, or normal refers to statistics, where-in normal encompasses the majority. Gay/lesbians make up between 4 and 8% of the total population of North American society. Definitely not the norm and certainly the minority. But the concept of choice is not something someone would choose to be gay. Why would someone burden themselves with that struggle when life presents enough challenges for all of us. People don't choose to be gay.....they choose to 'come out' or stay in the closet, possibly, but they certainly don't choose to be gay.
dandrew61 2/15/2014 12:06:54 PM Report

It’s appalling how special interest groups like this LGBT preach tolerance and understanding, as long as you agree with them. Once you disagree or refuse to support their cause you are told you should change your mind, your personal perspective and views and when you don’t you are labeled narrow minded, shameful and immoral as in Timothy Murphy’s letter. He claims how cruel schoolmates were because they called him names but then does the very same thing to mayor Amaroso and council when they refuse to do what he wants.
Shameful and immoral, two of the very terms Phil Robertson (Duck Dynasty), used in a GQ magazine interview that caused a national uproar in the gay community. They launched protests against A&E that resulted in his temporary removal from the no. 1 reality show in the history of television. Now it’s apparently ok for Mr. Murphy to use that very language against our mayor and council and SooToday glorifies his stance by publishing it. To add insult to injury it’s published under a heading that starts “Mayor’s Silence… ”. Mayor Amaroso was not silent at all but was quite audible when she said no.
Flag desecration is not illegal in Canada but that alone doesn’t make it right. Tens of thousands of veterans have given their lives so we can fly the red and white maple leaf, not so some minority special interest group could have any sort of right to change it as part of their protest, if even temporary. The Canadian flag is red and white, not rainbow colored. Red and white is the only flag that can fly to represent Canada.
This last part I shouldn’t even have to say, it’s been said enough. Olympic competition is about the athletes. It’s about the best in the world competing in their events. It’s not about protesting sexual preference or trying to make a political statement of any kind.
This is in support of mayor Amaroso and council.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 12:09:30 PM Report

JC,
Exactly....it's (the flad) is a universal symbol of what should be a basic human right....to choose to come out without repercussion from society or antiquated laws, such as in Russia.
Just Curious 2/15/2014 12:11:37 PM Report

Sad thing is Jojo, a man and woman propagates together and you wind up with Wiesenheimer or Steelworker, or God forbid, another one of ME !!! The world is not ready for that.. LOL.. C,mon folks, Gotta be something else happening in town.. The whole place will be a swamp next week if the weather forecast is right..
Grump 2/15/2014 12:19:02 PM Report

I don't get to watch the coverage in Russia 24/7 or even as much as I would like. That said from what I have seen the gay issue in Russia is a non issue. Possibly only while the Olympics are on. The part that bothers me is that it causes crappy uneducated responses and rebuttals and stirs up an issue when I don't believe it to be an issue with most folks. Comments from folks like Cathyh and Wisen are the exceptions these days not the rule. That said Gays will have to put up with the red necks just as the rest of us have to do.
Wicket 2/15/2014 12:20:20 PM Report

Thanks flyhawk, at least you get it! The request could/should also include that it will be taken down after the Olympics are over. Perhaps there could/should be a flag pole just for special request groups which could only be used to display their flag for a maximum of two weeks. That would solve everyone's negative comments about other groups demanding equal rights and why not....
statusquo 2/15/2014 12:28:33 PM Report

Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 12:17:45 PM Report

"Sorry but I feel being gay is illogical, immoral, illegal in some countries and a sin. sex is for procreation not recreation."


WOW!





Jimssm 2/15/2014 12:29:02 PM Report

Just to clear things up on the 'not a country flag' argument......

We fly the Franco-Ontarian flag down at City Hall and it's not a country.

Grump 2/15/2014 12:42:51 PM Report

Folks if everyone reads back on today's post you will see why I don't believe more of this type of pushing for more exposure helps their cause. For instance Timothy Murphy is a bright, articulate young man who I don't believe would hurt anyone intentionally but is doing the poison pen thing because something got him upset enough to. Discussing politics is bad enough, religion and gender cause strife and woe. I believe the site was friendlier when I was allowed to call a moron a moron. LMAO.
Grump 2/15/2014 12:45:37 PM Report

Jimssm I have to believe that is to make up for the infamous French only resolution. lol
Just Curious 2/15/2014 12:47:20 PM Report

Jimssm... Ask a Quebecer that LOL...
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 12:47:38 PM Report

Replace the word gay with the word pedophile!!?? Huh? That is Rush Limbaugh logic.

Consenting adults does not equate with child abuse. Children are a minority that have rights and require society to protect their rights. Same with gays. That is the only co-relation to your otherwise illogical analogy. Protecting the rights of minorities or those who do not have the capacity to defend themselves. That is the premise of democracy, which everyone likes to point out as what our fore fathers fought for.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 12:56:10 PM Report

"Sorry but I feel being gay is illogical, immoral, illegal in some countries and a sin. sex is for procreation not recreation."


Then don't do it!! Nobody is forcing you to be gay or heterosexual, for that matter. Let God judge what the sin is....not man or society in general. If nobody is being hurt, what's the harm. If sex is for procreation, we'd better stop selling condoms, birth control pills and hookers. We should also ban the orphanages that they are no longer necessary, because sex is for procreation, not recreation.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 1:03:54 PM Report

Wow so much to comment on. A) I don't think that flying the flag is meant to 'stick it to Russia', it is meant as a show of support to our athletes, and the Canadians who are in Russia. At no point are we saying anything negative to Russia by flying a flag. If they want to take it that way, they're reading into things way too far.

B) I'm personally straight. I just support the LGBTQ community in this debate. I wanted to clarify that just because it seems like that might be hard for some people to believe, that a straight woman can support these ideals, and that it is not just gay people who support flying the Pride flay.

C) If you believe that sex is meant solely for procreation and nothing else...I'm sorry about your sex life ;)
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:05:09 PM Report

Here's an interesting take on how powerful the NFL 'Gaydar" is. Wife beatings, shootings, drug abuse, etc. are A-OK in the NFL. But, boy oh boy, tell them you're gay and watch the fireworks. How sick is our society...a Texas (of all the red neck places) sports broadcaster says it well.

http://americablog.com/2014/02/dallas-sportscaster-wifebeaters-welcome-nfl-gays.html
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 1:08:41 PM Report

Also to clarify, I'm not saying the Pride flag needs to be a permanent fixture at City Hall...I just think it should fly during the Olympics. I think that's all anyone wants or expects. It would certainly send a positive message about Sault Ste. Marie, particularly given the media attention we're getting. People are now starting to know that our city even exists. I think flying the Pride flag could really help with that "Algoma's Friendliest City" image that we claim
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 1:14:43 PM Report

BB, taking the discussion out of our boundaries doesn't make it any better.

The issue here is the flags in front of City hall and the question is why is not a multicolored flag representing a group of people like the bikers, the gays and lesbians, the cadets, or my company flag, can't share a standing pole with the rest.

Well, because it's a matter of representation and if they allow any flag, then I would like to have my own flag also hanging there with a rigid pole and a hairy hole.

Finally, way to go Mayor Amaroso, and if elections are call tomorrow, my family and myself will vote for you, because you represent my values and stand for it. That's what are being elected for.

Thank you very much.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:24:27 PM Report

Bobby,
I agree...the issue is the flying of the flag at City Hall. And that is open for debate.

I didn't take the discussion out of bounds. The discussion just naturally went out of bounds. The usual group of 'it just ain't right, moral, or human, a GD sin, I tells ya'.

I couldn't care less if the flag is flown at City Hall. I think it has stirred a discussion, which, to this point, has remained relatively civil. Throwing a blanket on the discussion is tantamount to turning out the lights when the opportunity to enlighten, is happening. Just by discussing the issue, people become more comfortable with the issue, whichever side of the issue they may be.
Grump 2/15/2014 1:28:15 PM Report

I don't believe you need to approve or believe in others choices or predicaments as long as you know it is their right not yours. I personally do not believe in abortion, another hot button issue. That said I don't believe I have any right to shun or try to deter someone for doing what they feel is necessary.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:28:50 PM Report

'They shouldn't be allowed in our restaurants. They shouldn't be allowed to go to school with our children. Or ride on the same buses, use the same water fountains or stink up our nice smelling bathrooms. They should just go away. They are less than cattle or any livestock. I feel it's immoral and a sin to accept their ways as normal. And they certainly shouldn't be mixing up their race with the whites.'

Just a few of the sentiments centered around the Civil Rights Movement. Don't they sound familiar.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 1:33:19 PM Report

Big Brother: can we be friends?? :) I like the way you think
kadynce 2/15/2014 1:35:41 PM Report

I do not understand the whole flag thing. It was a protest in Russia and now all of a sudden in tiny little SSM. Its a big issue?. Like seriously people. All the flags at city hall are based on different countries and nationalities not sexual preference. And if the flag does get put up I am personally going yo start a campaign to get a straight flag put up just because I want ppl to know what sexual preference I am.
Grump 2/15/2014 1:36:26 PM Report

Bobby be careful or they will be hanging you by your petard from a post somewhere. lMAO. I heard from Tom and we are on for Monday night.
dead eye 2/15/2014 1:42:13 PM Report

The queer/gay/lesbian/whatever they wish to call themselves have chosen their path and so life goes on.There is no need for people to accept them or their life style.We do not have to raising a flag for thieves/abusive husbands/wives/rapists or other cultures that beat their wives terrorist ect. why do so for a group of people who fall under this misguided way of thinking?
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 1:43:16 PM Report

Yes, you are right, till certain extent. However, read how things go out of track.

Grump left a very personal comment and not attached to religion at all.

Then, cathyh landed with an unwelcome language, not once, but twice.

Even spellchecker kept things in prospective, he's a wise man.

You've mentioned RL, no need for it. RL doesn't own any opinion and he may have a opinion which is coincident with the way many people from the Soo understand everyday life.

Now, you bring the expression redneck and a texan opinion into the discussion. Let's not act confrontational, because the comments will be removed for sure, let's instead print what and how we believe the Mayor of our City acted in this particular issue. Did she acted accordingly to the mandate of the majority?

No doubt She did.

Then, the issue is closed till the next election and in such opportunity any one in disagreement can register his name and challenge for a position around the table where the cheese is divided.

Till then, shovel the issue up anywhere, but not up the mast at City Hall.

Do you think I'm reasoning with logic here?

Why don't we discuss opening stores on Boxing Day?

I know your answer...
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 1:44:36 PM Report

Dead Eye:

You just made the distinction in your comment. Most people in the LGBTQ community are doing nothing to hurt anyone. The people you named (thieves, abusers, etc.)very blatantly are. That's the difference.
shorty38 2/15/2014 1:44:52 PM Report

Rainbow/gay flag, what ever you want to call it, what a crock, by reading the comments in this room it appears that a lot of people think that all our Athletes are gay, I do not think that is true, so if I was an athlete I would feel discrimination if a flag was hoisted for some and not all.
shorty38 2/15/2014 1:47:28 PM Report

"Note" I think your Mayor made the right decision.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:48:02 PM Report

You betcha smashed, although there will be other days and other issues.I didn't even want to validate their ignorance with a response, but you did very well smashed. The illogical connections seem to be so prevalent among those who would be so blind. Makes it easier to fit narrow thoughts into dark places, I suppose.

Grump 2/15/2014 1:49:46 PM Report

Big Brother a Republican bill in Kansas was just squashed. It wanted to give business' the right to nor serve Gays. We may not be fully there ourselves yet but we have to be at least 50 years ahead of that.
Jimssm 2/15/2014 1:52:39 PM Report

Bad Dawg...

"..... sex is for procreation not recreation."

WOW

I've been fixed so does that mean no more sex ????
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:53:01 PM Report

Bobby...'No doubt She did.'

That is debatable.

Putin made it an issue before the Olympics even started. It wasn't coincidental that he passed certain archaic laws prior to the Olympics. That is the point. Should we allow him to set the tone for the world or should the world let him know that he is on the wrong side of the issue. Or should we all just sit on our hands and accept that nothing can be done.

Who is RL?
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 1:53:33 PM Report

Big Brother:
I welcome debates and discussions:) In fact, I love them. If done correctly, it can be educational and informative for all parties involved.
ROLAND_ROLLY 2/15/2014 1:55:07 PM Report

Where is Butland's comment on the flag, after all he was the one who started the issue with the flags at City Hall.

I don't believe any of these flags should be there UNLESS every flag from EVERY country is represented !!

Comm'on Steve, where is your stand on the pride flag...for or against. Never mind hiding behind the Mayor's skirt !
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:55:39 PM Report

And that's my point Grump. Thank-you for reinforcing it. We wouldn't be as far as we are if we didn't force the conversation to happen.

And if the topic has strayed, good. It is as valid as most of the topics that I've read on here in the past months.
Grump 2/15/2014 1:56:07 PM Report

Well this conversation has gone just about where I thought it would. Have a good day everyone Ta, ta.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 1:56:29 PM Report

I wonder if Putin banned FN athletes and they wanted to fly a flag in protest where SSM would be on the issue.
Natives did not ask to be born that way anymore than those who are left-handed do.
The flag is about tolerance and making a statement about Russia's new position on gay tolerance during the games.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 1:57:28 PM Report

Smashed, I'm with you. But you don't know fully where I've seen discussions on this blog go, at times. So far, all's well on this one though. Except, of course, the pot stirrers.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 1:58:20 PM Report

Speaking my mind! I expect tolerance, support and respect.I do NOT demand it!
I do not care what ANYONE does in their bedroom with WHOM or with WHAT! What takes place in the bedroom needs to stay in the bedroom!
I am sick to death of having SOME of the gay and lesbian community DEMANDING MY approval of THEIR choices!
I am tired of having my toes stepped on to accommodate THEIR lifestyle! They do not hesitate to attack anyone who dares to disagree with them! They scream for tolerance, acceptance fair and equal treatment etc yet, they themselves do NOT give it! ie cathyh response to Grump regarding CHURCH ATTENDANCE!
The only thing saving me from forming an opinion about all of them is I know some gays! In my opinion, the ones I know are kind and considerate and do not BULLY me!They do NOT repeatedly stuff their choices down my throat demanding my approval!
The issue of the flag at city hall is ridiculous! There should be ONE flag ONLY! The Canadian Flag! I also agree with the actions of Mayor Debbie! I am appalled at the way the gay & lesbian community believe it to be their privilege to openly attack our Mayor simply because they did not get their own way! GROW UP! Next you`ll be DEMANDING that all grocery stores use bags with the gay flag colors, then it`ll be toilet paper, schools, churches etc! ENOUGH!!! Do not bother responding to this post! I will not read it! And, just for the record, in my world....NO ONE PULLS MY STRINGS or BULLIES ME into ANYTHING! You all have yourselves a good day!
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 2:05:30 PM Report

Big Brother:
You're right...I generally stay away from here but this is an issue that I hold in high regard.

I think regardless of whether it was on sootoday.com or not, this is a hot button issue for a lot of Sault Ste. Marie. Most of the people in my age group (which is probably younger than most of the people here) feel that the Soo is very much lacking in progressive ideas. To quote one friend, "It is like we are living in the 1960s".

Being a small city, I guess it is to be expected that we wouldn't grow and progress at the same rate as the larger cities (ie. Toronto/Vancouver), but it really does feel like we are behind in the times.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 2:11:18 PM Report

Gurpy:

Please do not generalize or assume. People who are part of the LGBTQ community are not the only ones who share the opinion that the Pride flag should make an appearance at City Hall during the Olympics.

I am straight. I would also be proud to see that flag flying because to me, it would represent what Canada is truly about: pride, freedom, acceptance and tolerance.

To me, it is a non-issue. I don't feel that anyone is trying to shove their opinions or lifestyles down my throat by flying a flag.
Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 2:15:46 PM Report

Jimssm... as long as you repent your sins.

And I'm wrong for voicing my opinion, that its wrong to make some country change their beliefs to accommodate yours, remember if it was adam and steve or edna and eve none of us would be here!!
Mr E 2/15/2014 2:16:04 PM Report

There's only one flag that needs raising to cheer on all Canadian athletes at the Olympics and that flag is already flying.
A rainbow flag does not represent all Canadian athletes plain and simple.
Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 2:41:00 PM Report


Let Russia take care of the Russians... and I would welcome all gay Russians to Canada as new residents..... just don't ask to put up a flag!!
statusquo 2/15/2014 2:49:35 PM Report

The gay community never brought this up in the first place. It was Putin, declaring just before the Olympics that "Homosexual propaganda" was not going to be tolerated and the general stance of the anti gay laws in Russia.
Flying the flag temporarily during the Olympics is to show that not all countries are as backward and bigoted.
Sexual preference is not a choice and it should not be an issue nor any body's business .
As far as Olympics being about merely sports...give your head a shake...it is one of the most nationalistic events out there !
As far as sin and immorality is concerned....supporting the Syrian regime, as Putin is, condemning civilians to starve, being tortured, preventing them from getting proper medical care, now that is immoral and a sin. And the list goes on .
Being overly concerned about the gay lifestyle is actually a strong indication of one's own sexual ambiguity .

I am not gay (at least not when I am sober) after a few drinks however, I start to giggle uncontrollably, but if I were, I'd be the snappiest dresser ever!
Pink Peony 2/15/2014 2:51:25 PM Report

Mr E, I agree.
statusquo 2/15/2014 2:54:43 PM Report

I just found another sin and immoral act....how about turning up the heat at the luge track just before the Canadians do their run....ensuring a medal for the Russian team?
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 3:01:21 PM Report

Nothing says tolerance more than a picture of Putin.
Oldie Goldie 2/15/2014 3:14:07 PM Report

Rolland_Rolly---Are you saying that because Gay people have a flag that they now are a country ?
You said that we should be flying all flags of all Countries.

City Hall is Flying the Official Flag of many Countries.

Since Gay people are not a Country--except to themselves---then our City Hall does not need to fly the Rainbow Flag along with all the other Country Flags.

Find a Gay Country with an Official Flag and our City Hall will fly it .
Jimssm 2/15/2014 3:16:29 PM Report

Bad Dawg...

So having sex for enjoyment is a sin ?

I guess my wife and I are going to hell....lol


Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 3:18:21 PM Report

A whole lot of political leaders are guilty of similar and even worse crimes.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 3:19:36 PM Report

I hope that you are not justifying it with that comment.
sparks7 2/15/2014 3:20:58 PM Report

Jimssm

See you there.

Grump

Steelton
steelworker 2/15/2014 3:21:47 PM Report

...and we reach the shallow end of the gene pool.
Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 3:25:00 PM Report

Mayor Ford, will spend the day at camp, rather than watching nearly naked gays, transvestites and others of undetermined gender twerking down Yonge Street.
When is this poor excuse for a Mayor going to get with it.
Do Transvestites have a flag ?
steelworker 2/15/2014 3:34:30 PM Report

Maybe we can get Ford to put on some ass-less chaps and twerk his way down the parade route. I'm sure the kiddies would enjoy that a lot.
ginjur 2/15/2014 3:39:14 PM Report

Flying the rainbow flag during the Olympics is a sign of support for ALL athletes. Our athletes are competing in a country where many of them and/or their family members are not accepted for who they are. Violence against gay people is a fact in Russia and much of it goes unpunished. Those of us who live openly without fear of others finding out who we love might try to imagine the apprehension and fear that many people endure just for being who they are.That rainbow flag is symbolic of support for ALL athletes, that when we fly the rainbow flag alongside the Canadian flag we do so to indicate that no Canadians are excluded from our support. Many Canadian communities are proudly flying the rainbow flag. It's a shame that Sault Ste. Marie isn't.
Jimssm 2/15/2014 3:40:10 PM Report



Promise Ford some crack at the end of the parade and he'd be there.
steelworker 2/15/2014 3:42:19 PM Report

Prolly be lots of crack all around him. My eyes are burning.
Wicket 2/15/2014 3:48:56 PM Report

Guess most of you have never had a family member or close friend commit suicide because his father would not accept that 1) his son was gay and 2) that his seed had produced such a deviate and so accused his ex-wife of cheating on him and 3) what would his macho-male friends think and 4) he was going to be shunned. Note - it became all about the Dad and not the son who didn't want to be gay, had not sexually acted on it but was struggling to accept who he was. Being gay did not define who he was until his father opened his mouth and expressed his views and within 3 weeks the Dad no longer had to worry, he no longer had a son.

So, for the sake of another argument, for those of you who are homophobic or using the bible to suit your beliefs, - should you also be called bigoted, prejudiced, racist and white supremacists?

BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 3:56:49 PM Report

Right on Wicket. Time to set some perspective on the real issues homophobia.

It sounds close to home....your story. Many gay people gather in large cities because they want to be able to stay anonymous; in the closet. Don't want to shame the family.

If it was a choice, one would have to be masochistic to choose being gay. It is like wishing damnation upon oneself. Imagine the pain of coming to terms with your sexual identity. Illogical comparisons to pedophiles does nothing but more harm to people already hurting.
Javaman 2/15/2014 4:05:15 PM Report

When are folks going to accept that people do not choose to be gay. It is a lot tougher life than being str8.Ask most gays and they will tell you they would rather be str8 but that is NOT an option for them. Acceptance by society is all they are asking. They are NOT to be confused with pedophiles. they are NOT out to seduce your children. They are human beings.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:05:35 PM Report

SmAsHed
You misread my post. I DO NOT AGREE WITH FLYING THE GAY FLAG AT CITY HALL FOR THE OLYMPICS OR ANY OTHER REASON! I am STRAIGHT! Not everyone in the city is gay or lesbian or has any desire to be! Just like the gay community does not want to be straight or can`t be or WHATEVER! One more little tid bit of info. Our Mayor has an ARMY behind her!! You won`t see or hear them until they get their marching orders and then....well, lets just say you will have a brand new outlook on life!
Wicket 2/15/2014 4:16:44 PM Report

You know what Gurpy, I don't care if you are straight.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:21:00 PM Report

Sorry wicket...I`ve been out in the open for a long time! If your offended because I`m STRAIGHT TOO BAD! SO SAD! See what it`s like having someones sexual preference shoved in your face???
theprotector 2/15/2014 4:22:04 PM Report

Some day, just hope for some day, when being gay isnt an issue period.
Discussions like these wont be happening. I am not gay but I have friends that tell me they are gay. Its unfortunate that because of narrow minded society in general and the continued negative treatment and branding they feel the need to tell me they are gay, in the event that would change or alter my friendship with them. I wouldnt be much of a friend if it did would I?
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:22:21 PM Report

Let's call out the 'SSM Redneck Squad'.

Gurpy, I hate to break the news to you, but the Sault already has a 'redneck' reputation. Calling out the hordes, who will be upset if the flag is flown would be the confirmation of what most in Canada already know. Better iron your hood and bleach your sheet. Get ready for the lynchin'.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:22:50 PM Report

ATTENTION ATTENTION
GURPY IS A WOMEN WHO POSITIVELY LOVES MEN!!! ATTENTION GURRPY WANTS A FLAG! wah wah wah
Grump 2/15/2014 4:29:22 PM Report

Sheesh Sorry I responded to MikeTD this morning and got this ball rolling. Actually the posts haven't been that bad but it is a pretty divisive subject. Cathyh I'm off to Church shortly and I just wanted you to know that I don't give a furry rat's butt if you approve or not. There is always the option of pulling that large pickle out of you know where and trying to become a human being. Status you be gentle with the folks now. Take care all.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:30:13 PM Report

Damn straight man. "My life will change dramatically, as I know it, if the Mayor of MY city flies the Rainbow Flag" over my city.

Maybe Joe can trump up another blazing referendum, making SSM a Straight Only Community. Our 'gay' population doesn't warrant the city to spend tax dollars on such a small minority. Flags cost money....
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:31:40 PM Report

protector
I am not against gays. I`m against this constant pressure to make them feel better about their choices. I also know gays. I do not pretend to like someone I don`t like! I did not need to know their sexual preference but at the same time appreciated their honesty! Why is this an issue? Why all this insanity about flags? Why are they so uncomfortable with their lifestyle if it`s so great? Is it a lifestyle or an addiction? I know very little about it. I don`t form friendships based on sexual preferences.Why is it so important for all this recognition? I really am getting to the end of my rope not because of what they are doing but because they are pretty much DEMANDING that we all agree with their actions! Some of us truly do not give a s#*t what they do in their bedrooms!!
sparks7 2/15/2014 4:38:33 PM Report

BB
LOL..if Joe thought it would fly you can bet he would try it.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:40:01 PM Report

Gurpy says...'protector
I am not against gays. I`m against this constant pressure to make them feel better about their choices.'

Choices Gurpy, choices....key word....it's not a choice for them anymore than it is a choice for you to be hetero. Once you get your head around that, then understand that society still is prejudiced towards gays.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:42:38 PM Report

Sparks, we don't have enough gays in SSM to warrant any special consideration. Thanks...I laughed as I wrote it.
Wicket 2/15/2014 4:44:30 PM Report

gurpy, I am not offended, I just don't care, just as I do not care if you believe in God or not, if you pay your bills on time or not, if you are heterosexual and like kinky sex, and the kicker - if you are male (I know you are not, I am just making a point) so, if you are male, in a heterosexual relationship but like anal sex - what does that make you?
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:45:13 PM Report

And Joe likes to get out in front of parades, once they are underway and he can count the numbers. Populist policies....very Machiavellian...
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 4:46:30 PM Report

Wicket....latent tendencies....
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:52:30 PM Report

Big Brother
So it`s an addiction? I`m not an addiction consellor. They need to come to terms with their lifestyle and not expect the entire population to drop everything. I have enough of my own life to deal with. If they need or want help, it`s available! Once again..I do not care what they are doing in their bdrms! I am sorry for what they are struggling with! Help is available!! I cannot help them!
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:54:11 PM Report

wicket
You don`t care! I don`t care! End of story!
Gurpy 2/15/2014 4:58:47 PM Report

Further more,
The gay & Lesbian community has been given the same rights under the law as the heterosexuals. Is that not enough? They will never have the support of everyone because everyone has a different opinion which he or she is entitled to! When will this end?
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 5:03:52 PM Report

BB, RL is for:

BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 12:47:38 PM Report

Replace the word gay with the word pedophile!!?? Huh? That is Rush Limbaugh logic.

Rush Limbaugh.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 5:11:54 PM Report

Oh, thanks Bobby. You think it was inflammatory. Possibly. But that is the twisted logic I've heard from Rush before. It's fitting for the logic presented. "Next thing you know, bestiality will be OK". That's called twisted logic Bobby. So if it's inflammatory, don't credit me for it.
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:12:36 PM Report

Wicket,

Your 3:48 post hit it on the nail!

To define another human being based on his sexual preferences is akin to shun left handed people.
How many teenagers have done themselves harm because the people closest to them focus on their sexual orientation and not on the person.

And "gurpy"

"I`m against this constant pressure to make them feel better about their choices".

It's not about you or me making them feel better. It is about accepting another human being regardless of what's going on below the belt!

Where oh where is the "constant" pressure?

What?....flying the rainbow flag for a couple of weeks is going to somehow ruin your life?
And it is NOT a choice! If it were, just try and contemplate you yourself "choosing" your sexual orientation. I tried, to no avail, can't do it, prefer dames in fishnet stockings whispering filthy nothings into my ear....and then, if they are willing, I will proceed to "fornicate" , using protection of course, with not a scant desire to procreate !

The Sault has and will continue to shine as a backward little Steel town,
not that there is anything wrong with that, it has it's benefits....look at the record.....no French is spoken here and the bronze statues at the Rhodes arena don't have nipples!
We never have been striving to be like Pompeii.
But....our curling team rocks!
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 5:16:27 PM Report

Gurpy,
I don't know what it is, but it is definitely no more of a choice than heterosexuality. The medical field makes no reference to addiction. Would you choose it? if you could make the choice.

Why or why not?
Gurpy 2/15/2014 5:26:14 PM Report

Bobby
I just googled Rush Limbaugh. I AGREE!!
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:26:54 PM Report

I remember coming to this little burg in the early eighties.
I was unpacking my stuff and amongst some books there was Henry Miller's " Tropic Of Cancer".
The head of the household asked me if it was about "cancer" and I said no, far from it...here read it, I said.
He gave it back to me, shaking his head and proclaiming that he just could not continue past the third chapter.
That about sums it up for the prevalent provincial mindset .
However, some folks in here are quick to quote the Bible at the drop of a hat..a book filled with descriptions of sodomy, bestiality and incest.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 5:27:45 PM Report

Grump
I know your at church. Just wanted to thank you for the little pep talk a while back regarding church. I am definitely back first thing in the morning!
Gurpy 2/15/2014 5:29:44 PM Report

stats
isn`t that what goes on today and will continue on for many more generations to come?
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 5:30:19 PM Report

Gurpy:

I truly don't think I misread anything that you have written. I think I can understand what you have written and what is between the lines quite clearly.

And as for " Our Mayor has an ARMY behind her!! You won`t see or hear them until they get their marching orders and then....well, lets just say you will have a brand new outlook on life!"....

I think you'd be surprised to see how many people do not support our current city council. Also, I pride myself on not being a follower, particularly when it comes to causes that I am passionate about, so if there is indeed an army of people who believe in what you are saying, they will have zero effect on my opinions. Especially if you make statements like that. I quite like my outlook on life at the moment, but thanks for your concern.
Gurpy 2/15/2014 5:31:09 PM Report

And My HUMAN RIGHTS tell me I can quote ANY BOOK I PLEASE! It is an OPEN FORUM!
right wing 2/15/2014 5:36:27 PM Report

I believe Putin is gay.
He loves showing those photos of him with his shirt off.
Flaunting his martial arts, horse back riding, hunting...his obvious showing off the macho male image is just a tad over the top.
He has been far too long in the closet with Tom Cruise.
Time to come on out.....
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:37:28 PM Report

Gurpy,

Quote anything you like...but be prepared to be psycho analysed...and don't fly off the handle if I deem you in need to take potent mind altering drugs and seek out professional mental help.
(smiley face)

Oldie Goldie 2/15/2014 5:37:45 PM Report

Have any of you posters ever seen a Gay Pride Parade ? Not just on T.V.

I was embarrassed by the way they flaunted their sexuality.

It was not a case of liking or disliking Gays---It was a case of them showing off their sexual tendencies in public.

I would have been embarrassed too if straight people had acted the way that the Gays did.

I, too, will avoid another Gay Pride parade if just to avoid the embarrassment of it all and I certainly would keep my children away too.
They will probably learn about it but not with my help.

statusquo 2/15/2014 5:45:47 PM Report

right wing....

I know! Every chance he gets he takes off is shirt , displaying his NO-NO treated hairless chest!
He kinda reminds me of Stockwell Day in his wetsuit riding a Jetski.....erotic for a split second and then you end up puking, feeling ashamed...very ashamed.

Gurpy 2/15/2014 5:48:03 PM Report

I`m leaving here today with a new outlook. There isn`t any tolerance other than for those in minorities. They can scream and fight about whatever and if others do not agree they are attacked! God help us all if someone anyone mentions church, God, fidelity, Human rights or the bible.
The gay and lesbian community is protected by the government.They do not need anyone else! After the treatment I`ve received from some of these gays & lesbians, It would not take much for me to turn against the entire group! You are doing it to yourselves!
To the ones who are truly suffering for their lifestyles, my heart does go out to you! The ones who truly suffer are usually the ones who are mindful and quiet. They do not make any demands from anyone.
I am leaving this forum! I refuse to be attacked by a MINORITY and have my rights infringed upon! I have better things to do with my time and energy! I want nothing more to do with this! Goodbye and good luck to you all!
Wicket 2/15/2014 5:48:23 PM Report

Most gays who live normal lives do not participate in Gay Pride Parades, the "flamers" as they call themselves are the same as anyone else that craves attention, they just have an awesome venue to do it.
All the gays I know live exactly as everyone else. The only one I knew that was a "flamer", I met doing hospice work and he was sweet but certainly was flamboyant and loved the life he led. Unfortunately he was promiscuous and paid the price with his life. I asked him if he had any regrets, his answer was "none".
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:51:04 PM Report

Oldie,

Now you're getting personal!
rw and I were on one of the floats. rw was wearing a studded dog collar and assless chaps, whilst I was spanking him with a snowblower V-belt. We were there to represent Northern Ontario.
We got second price. First went to a couple from Wawa doing something with a Moose.
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:52:20 PM Report

Oldie,

Now you're getting personal!
rw and I were on one of the floats. rw was wearing a studded dog collar and assless chaps, whilst I was spanking him with a snowblower V-belt. We were there to represent Northern Ontario.
We got second prize. First went to a couple from Wawa doing something with a Moose.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 5:55:47 PM Report

Love it, statusquo!
statusquo 2/15/2014 5:56:22 PM Report

Ahh Gurpy,,,what a shame!

Good for you...more time now to confront smokers in public places.

Say..while you're heading out...would you mind taking out the garbage?
Thank you!
Wicket 2/15/2014 6:00:36 PM Report

Gurpy - did you ever stop to think that perhaps it is your attitude and not the minorities. I am not in any minority group, however, have been discriminated against because of people like you.
You may not post again, but you will always lurk just to see what else can irritate you and allow you to justify your miserableness.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 6:05:18 PM Report

I think rw may be onto something about Putin.
He may very well be denying his sexuality.Add to rw's hypothesis that Putin created a law to show just how macho he is and how being gay in public is bad.
Unfortunately we'll probably never know because he micro-manages everything.
Perhaps he'd be better off to just say 'I'm gay and I'm proud!'he would be at peace.
BIG BROTHER 2/15/2014 6:27:23 PM Report

Gurpy,
It was an enlightening debate, certainly not an attack on you or your opinion. Is self pity a choice or are you just naturally a victim.

RW is absolutely correct (finally). And fly took it to it's correct conclusion. Methinks Putin doth protest too much, always attempting to be the world's most interesting man. 'I don't always take my shirt off, but when I do, I drive the gays crazy'. I`m having the urge to run down to City Hall and plant a rainbow flag on the steps. This would be a choice.
SmAsHed 2/15/2014 6:34:37 PM Report

I think, since City Council is wearing red and white at their meeting on Tuesday to show their Olympic spirit, we should get a group of people who are willing to show up in rainbow colours.

I'd be really interested to see some reactions to a human pride flag at City Hall.
lookaround 2/15/2014 6:43:14 PM Report

Leave the flag up. If it is not hurting anyone, let it be.
Simply put we worry too much about the little things and not enough what would collectively make Canada whole once again. Perhaps the Olympics will be a start. Go Canada I am proud.
cathyh 2/15/2014 6:46:16 PM Report

Bobby Nerves: Unwelcome language, what do you mean? I used flippant & grossly ignorant. My understanding of the sexual identity of humans is based on biology. Studies have shown that at least 20% of the human species is not heterosexual. It is not a choice or a preference to be LGBT. It is a fact of nature. It could have been you who is one of the LGBT community. The rainbow flag is being flown all over our country in support of the 20% or more of humans who are being persecuted for being human. Like I said previously put the shoe on the other foot and see how you like it. Our mayor is not being neutral, she is being bigoted. I will not vote for her again.
nanag 2/15/2014 6:50:35 PM Report

Statusquo

I think I have a crush on you.. you are so damned spot on and very entertaining to boot.. well done sir :)
cathyh 2/15/2014 6:57:32 PM Report

Grump: You certainly don't need my "approval or not" to attend church. I didn't say that, I said you maybe should go to a biology class or maybe two. BTW when you're at church you might want to pray for more understanding of human nature.
statusquo 2/15/2014 7:10:15 PM Report

nanag?

Really?

Gots to check with Darlene and see if she is "kosher" or "halal" as it where, with a threesome.
Say, fishnet stockings really turn me into an animal.

Getting back into the "gay" thing. It's really all about plumbing. No more...no less.
Pipes and couplers...if you can make it work...all the power to you!
In a perfect world there should be no need for flags or "gurpys"...

Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 7:14:43 PM Report

The last major study of homosexual orientation in the U.S. was released in 1995.
The representative sample included adults from ages 18-59. It found 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women reported a homosexual orientation. It also found that 9% of men and 5% of women reported a homosexual experience after puberty.
According to the media and others, the flood gates have apparently opened since.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 7:19:54 PM Report

Oldie goldie, I'd helped a friend with an eatery on Yonge and Wellesley.

cathyh: expressing yourself in this way:
Grump: Instead of attending at church I think you should go to biology class. Your comments on the gay flag shows your gross ignorance about humans and sexuality.

You are pushing the religion issue within the discussion.

I will not discuss biology with you, neither will I discuss any other issue because there is nothing constructive discussing such an issue in this board. We all can have an opinion and respect others opinion while others respect our own.

In my view, you try to muddy the waters when you pretended blame others a religious bias.

You could very well have avoided that part of the comment, but most likely it may have a sort of elixir for your taste, and you made it obvious the joy it produce on you to sip it.



Wisenheimer 2/15/2014 7:20:06 PM Report

Stats .. apparently some find the idea of putting the old "Magic Johnson" up some dude's "bunga, bunga" a tad off.
statusquo 2/15/2014 7:34:53 PM Report

Wisenheimer,

That may be so...why are you thinking about it?
statusquo 2/15/2014 7:38:29 PM Report



Wisen,

Correction..... it's not called the " Old Johnson" the proper term is "MR Happy".

You're welcum.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 7:48:25 PM Report

Status, you may find yourself in the other side of the fence... many started like you. Asking...
sweetc 2/15/2014 7:58:27 PM Report

there we are the western world once again trying to force our laws down the throats of anyone that doesn't agree with ours. Russia has their laws and they will come around when enough people in their country want it. I don't think it is up to us to try and force it upon them. After all Canada only recently got same sex marriage laws.. give them some time to see that Homosexuality is not evil. That will happen before some people in Canada and the U.S. change their opinion.

flyhawk25 2/15/2014 8:03:05 PM Report

I think it healthy that we can joke about sexual orientation.
Those who seem insecure take a hard - no pun intended - stance about sexuality.
Relax rednecks.
nanag 2/15/2014 8:35:57 PM Report

Status

Sorry .. I don't "do" threesomes. I don't share well.

Besides....

I used my fishnets for.. well... fishin. I hung em over the side of the boat once while we were ummm well anyway.. managed to catch a couple of nice rock bass. Yum good eatin :)
Bad Dawg 2/15/2014 8:42:15 PM Report

there is no SPECIFIC gay gene....it is only partly genetic, with sexuality mostly based on environmental and social factors.
So if it is not in the Childs environment and social atmosphere then he has a greater chance of being straight.
I am not against gays, I just don't want to be reminded that they got special treatment for a nonsense issue.

* you go to another country you respect their laws no matter how outlandish they are.... or stay home!!

Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 8:51:54 PM Report

Status, just in case you did not realize it... nanag is blitzkrieging you.
Grump 2/15/2014 8:54:34 PM Report

Wicket you asked a question about what it makes them. My definition would be "A chocolate speedway cowboy". Does anyone expect Wisen will explain his interest in this subject. Status you really should not have mentioned being on the Gay pride float as he seems to be trying to pal up with you. Something that all of you should ponder re flying the flag. Due to the latest quoted statistics wouldn't it be fair to assume that someone or more of council could be gay and not want the flag. Or not want to be outed.
flyhawk25 2/15/2014 9:03:03 PM Report

Bad Dawg - baloney.
That is based on work and research I did in university.It's called a 'scientific study' for a reason.
My hypothesis was that homosexuality was a genetic predisposition triggered by environment. I could not prove nor disprove it.
So if you know something I don't please explain it.
Grump 2/15/2014 9:03:30 PM Report

David P I don't know if you are about but spoke to our friend B.L. this evening and he can tell you who I am. You should have simply e-mailed me a Grump@inbox.com and I would have responded. If I don't hear back tonight I'll repost in the morning.
nanag 2/15/2014 9:07:22 PM Report

Bobby Nerves

not true.. I just enjoy his sense of humor and way with words .. what the H does blitzkrieging mean?
Grump 2/15/2014 9:14:45 PM Report

nanag It's ok to be selfish and not share all long as you can handle it all by yourself. lol
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 9:31:16 PM Report

Fly, the studies in that regard are only two and for many reasons are not completed. From the scientific point of view the chromosome X is the culprit, however such a study (Hamer and others-1993-Science) is not definitive. The chromosome X theory is from a much older data because I'd study it in the mid 70's.

It's obvious that no all humans are predisposed, neither a man having nothing else to do a Saturday night, seats in a coffee shop and decides that he'll be gay from then on. Seems not to be inherited, but obvious that there is something in the genes, and that study of Hamer-Hu-Hu and Patatucci, was looking for a link in the DNA.

There are many mysteries, like the feminine submission in some homosexuals in one side and the male dominance in the other.

It's very deep and none of us could risk an opinion, but at least we could somehow understand that is not a matter of "preferences" but rather an strange mix genetic and psychological. I don't know how is evaluated from the psychiatric point of view, but for sure the evaluation had changed in the last few decades, at least in Europe and now here in North America.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 9:38:24 PM Report

nanag, it's a german expression for a lightning war, a very fast assault to take over, dominate and where the enemy is left with no chance (status in this case) Blitzkrieg.

Of course I'm referring to a seductive blitzkrieg where you attack by air, sea and land.

Good luck... to both of you.
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 9:40:24 PM Report

nanag, further, I'd realized that everything is with good waves.
nanag 2/15/2014 9:59:52 PM Report

Bobby Nerves

I fear my days of Blitzkrieg (ing) ? are long gone.. not that they were ever here bahahah
Bobby Nerves 2/15/2014 10:08:09 PM Report

nanag

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Life is romance, comedy and fantasy and it's up to you to keep the lights on.
jasonqb 2/15/2014 10:29:51 PM Report

I decided to write the city council here is my letter


Dear Mayor Amaroso and Sault Ste. Marie city Council

My Name is Jason Merling. I used to live in Sault Ste Marie all my life up till 1999, There are many reasons why I left to Toronto, but a major reason for my departure was because of my homosexuality. I left my family, friends and everything that was familiar living in Sault Ste. Marie. It was the most difficult time in my life. I wish I could have felt in 1999 that I could live in Sault Ste. Marie with unconditional love and acceptance but I knew that would not be possible with so many symbolical homophobic comments, whispers, or smirks, or Jives quietly said as I passed others, or have felt homophobic actions from the general community.

I am writing to you today very shocked and dismayed to hear my home town city council showing homophobic actions by refusing to raise the Gay Pride Flag in support of Canadian Gay athletes. Today, I am thankful to live in Toronto as we have raised the Gay Pride flag despite Mayor Rob Fords homophobic sickness. I am begging you all, please show your humanity, your unconditional love, and your open acceptance to everyone in Sault Ste Marie and the WORLD by flying the Gay Pride flag at City Hall to support our Gay Athletes.

A friend of a friend who lives in Sault Ste. Marie wrote you an e-mail to some of you, asking the below questions, and I to am asking for a response to the same below questions.

1 Do you believe in the protection and defence of basic human rights for all people?

2 Do you support flythe Gay Pride Flag at the Civic Centre in the Sault for the duration of the 2014 Olympics?

If you answer yes to #1 but NO to #2 then I say you don't fully understand the significance of your answer to question #1.

In Closing, don't let another young person like myself (back in 1999 ) be forced to make the decision to leave their hometown out of fear of being a homosexual. You all have the power not tolerate homophobic actions and we make sure our Gay and Lesbian yourth feel safe in the Sault. Flying the Gay Pride Flag will show that support and acceptance to all people who are struggling with being gay. Do the right thing and raise the Gay Pride Flag to support our Gay and Lesbian athletes.

Regards
Jason Merling
Toronto, Ontario

statusquo 2/15/2014 10:55:55 PM Report

Jason,

Your decision to leave the Sault was entirely yours.

Toronto is surely more cosmopolitan and accepting than this little hick town.
The decision to NOT raise the flag reflects the provincial ( i.e cautious) if not invertebrate nature of our current mayor and council.
They are woefully behind the times and reflect the views of the likes of steelworker and hunter 101.
They like apple pie and the missionary position . Or so they think! But behind closed doors they engage in far more nefarious endeavours requiring copious amounts of ointments and lubricants.
They stink to high heaven but use deodorant to cover it up.
Jimssm 2/15/2014 11:09:00 PM Report

Although I support the gay community and their efforts, I feel the City should support ALL our Olympians, and their sexual preferences should not enter into it.

The Olympics is one venue where gay pride should not supercede national pride.
statusquo 2/15/2014 11:18:28 PM Report

Jim...the raising of the rainbow flag has nothing to do with gay pride.
It has to do with solidarity with minorities and a general attitude against authoritarian states.
Putin raised the issue to begin with and we need to show him what a douchebag he is.
The flag would be up for the duration of the games...and that is it! No harm done but it would send a message.
How about if Hitler would have decreed that Jesse Owens run was null and void because he was black! Would you still oppose raising a fist?
sweetc 2/15/2014 11:40:04 PM Report

Perhaps people should read more news articles, try this one.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-anti-gay-law-vladimir-putin-3131016
jasonqb 2/16/2014 5:03:53 PM Report

My response

statusquo 2/15/2014 10:55:55 PMReport
"Jason, Your decision to leave the Sault was entirely yours"

In your opinion it was my choice is what you mean right? I wish you could experience what I went through living in the Soo, I bet if you could...you would too move out to Toronto also.
My decision to move was forced upon me!

To
Jimssm 2/15/2014 11:09:00 PMReport
"Although I support the gay community and their efforts, I feel the City should support ALL our Olympians, and their sexual preferences should not enter into it."

Just one reminder Jessie Ownens 1936 Olympics
Hitler didn't want a black person in the olympics...would you have the same opinion in 1936 on black people in the olympics????
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