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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Feb. 11 2014

Tuesday, February 11, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 2/11/2014 5:54:16 AM Report

Good morning everyone, another fine example of the Harper gov't not only cutting off mail delivery but halting a four year study on postal banking and burying it. This is a huge revenue stream for other postal services but Harper obviously has another agenda and to hell with facts. Now in spite of Dust's assertion that we are in modern times I have always believed that if a business is run properly it will stay in the black and continue to service their clients. I hope that more than I will be scorching Hayes' butt over this. Add this to Sun Media's assessment of this governments handling of the economy in last night's Star and we can't get rid of this fellow quick enough. Strong hand on the economy my a**. When a Tory paper start complaining it's only the swamp apparently that still supports this man. Have a great day all.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 6:23:58 AM Report

Grump, I would say it is time for a forensic audit of Canada Post Corp.

Something stinks. The truth is in the paper trail.

Question is..how do we press for such an audit? Letters to MP"s?
Letters to the Auditor General?
Or will Canadians just roll over and comply?
What do you think?
David Poluck 2/11/2014 6:35:34 AM Report

Sad news.

Shirley Temple, iconic child star and Depression-era box office draw, dies in California at 85


http://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/shirley-temple-iconic-child-star-depression-era-box-055352761.html
BIG BROTHER 2/11/2014 7:18:55 AM Report

Grump, would you have a link to that article. I believe it was written, I would just like to read it myself.

The swampers are cheering for Harper on everything, even when the National Harper Apologists are questioning him.

Same thing with Trudeau's Senate play. Preston and Co. were complimenting Trudeau for the move, even if it is 'smoke and mirrors'. It is still more than Harper has accomplished in 10 years.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 7:40:51 AM Report

I have been thinking for a while now that we will never know the depth and width of Harper's mess until long after we fumigate parliament.
It will likely be the CBC or CTV - two media sources the PMO loves to hate.
But it may just be someone on social media by then.
Like every other rigid doctrinaire leader in history - fill in your favorite despot's name - we will see a tale of iconoclast empire building that will leave future generations wondering how we could be so blind.
Just as my generation did with the Third Reich and so many other movements.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 8:02:22 AM Report

Federal budget to include promise to take on Canada-U.S. price gaps: official


OTTAWA - The governing Conservatives will use Tuesday's federal budget to unveil a crackdown on multinational companies that charge Canadian customers more than Americans on everything from books to clothing and appliances.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's budget will include a promise of legislation to stop "country pricing" — when multinational brands set different prices in Canada and the United States, a government official told The Canadian Pres


http://news.yahoo.com/federal-budget-promise-canada-u-price-gaps-official-230703913.html;_ylt=AwrBTzHBHvpSxS0AHVDrFAx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnV2cXQwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--
Bobby Nerves 2/11/2014 8:31:03 AM Report

David, any budgetary plans will be subject to a falling loonie and the US repatriating industries.

Read about Chrysler demands, and Chrysler is a private corporation looking for the welfare of taxpayers, all in the name of 2600 jobs. Let them go! The world is plenty of industries willing to build cars in Canada.

If the US would like to break the rules in order to repatriate jobs, then, let's kick it to the curb, like the move with the pipe line.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 8:35:25 AM Report

Wow Fly .. you got rid of the Third Reich!
You'd think, even with your "mobility issues" you could drag your ass to the Remembrance Day service next November, to bask in the adoration. Blunderbuss can pick you up in his truck.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 8:42:52 AM Report

Everyone watch the budget today ..
Fly, get Grunt to bring over the popcorn, Ensure and crying towels.
It will be glorious.
theprotector 2/11/2014 8:47:34 AM Report

Dp lettters to the MPs?? Seriously our MP is useless like titsonabull!
David Poluck 2/11/2014 8:52:54 AM Report

pro..accountability starts with us!
theprotector 2/11/2014 8:56:37 AM Report

Accountablity starts with those who accepted responsibility of a position for which entails representing the people of a given area.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 9:08:19 AM Report

ummm....nope.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 9:09:00 AM Report

It all starts with us.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 9:10:24 AM Report

Incredible.
Somehow the issue becomes me not being able to attend a service.And somehow I am not 'patriotic' and by inference is why I criticize Harper?
I don't see the connection and the personal attack doesn't hurt considering the source.
Unlike that poster I choose my words carefully. I made a prediction based on history. I doubt I'll live to see the end result of an historical analysis of the facts.
If there is still a country left.
theprotector 2/11/2014 9:28:52 AM Report

DP in part you are right - it starts with us to vote. Pretty simple dont you think! We cannot fire him, only thing we can do is not vote for him next time around. Based on what you are saying his inability to properly represent the people in his riding is our fault? What would you like us do?
You are not making any sence what so ever!
right wing 2/11/2014 9:29:22 AM Report

The caption above the article was "Who killed Canada Post's Banking Study?"

Valid question and it was ended with a question mark.
I read the article and sure enough nobody knows yet.
I stated that they should find out.
...of course all anybody has to do is come on this site and get the real story from the Harper haters.....
It's simple, Harper did it.
What a bunch of goofs.
Resident 2/11/2014 9:50:46 AM Report

R.W. Who said they hated harper? All I read was that he isn't a good Prime Minister. Why call people "goofs"? How dare anyone have a different opinion than you? Who said harper himself quashed the report? I suppose scientist haven't been muzzled by the harper government? Oh, if they have they are only "lefties" or "libtards" so what they say is automatically wrong?
Resident 2/11/2014 9:56:03 AM Report

scientists
Snobank 2/11/2014 9:57:39 AM Report

Gheesh fly, I kind of agree with your general analysis but don't even you think you might have just a teeny little bit over the top in blaming your generation for ignoring the third Reich? I mean, how old are you? Unless you are 90 to 100 it's hard to belive you are old enough to do that. Personally, I would guess you are around 70 which would put you in diapers as WW2 ended. I don't think you can be blamed for ignoring the third Reich. A little hyperbole maybe or are you really 95?
right wing 2/11/2014 10:13:39 AM Report

Resident

Oh, a lecture...I just love being lectured.
Harper haters...like this is your first day on here???
Goofs...how dare I...you know you're correct, how dare I use something so soft when compared to the goof that calls everyone morons on a daily basis.
Have a nice day now.
right wing 2/11/2014 10:16:24 AM Report

...fly's generation draft dodged Vietnam and spit on those that returned.
soowat 2/11/2014 10:18:32 AM Report

right wing

I proudly admit to being a "Harper hater"

Having written that,I agree with you that the facts need to come out regarding the post office

Of course I am gullible enough to believe that whoever is responsible will let all the facts come out. I also believe in the Easter Bunny , Santa Claus and that Harper knew nothing about the issues involved in the senate scandal
Bobby Nerves 2/11/2014 10:19:40 AM Report

Budget day = Income Inequality by design.

Income splitting will cost the federales and the provincial government billions of dollars to benefit 5% of population.
Bobby Nerves 2/11/2014 10:24:27 AM Report


Flyhawk and JC, we are all fried. Even if we get a wife we have to have children in the household to split income.

It makes Canada a more inequal Country in order to benefit few spreading the cost among many (85%).
right wing 2/11/2014 10:31:22 AM Report

soowat

...well at least you admit it.
Whatever facts come out regarding the post office unless something is tied to Harper you and yours will do the same as the Senate issue...claim it to be a cover up.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 10:35:51 AM Report


Let me straighten you out on Vietnam and the draft.
First of all it was an ugly and immoral fight in which the US government tried to fight a limited land war in Asia.
They sent conscripted kids - mainly minorities - into fights that they were ill-equipped and trained for.The rich and connected - read GWB and others - managed to avoid going. As did many of my friends who knew somebody who was 'connected'.
As they came back home and told the naked facts America turned against it.Eventually Nixon canned the draft, the US lost the war and life moved on.
The MSM sent images into living rooms each night and helped to get the truth to the masses.
I had a draft card -#332 - and 330 of the guys were black and many uneducated.
I was living here and became a citizen to vote and get a break on college tuition.
I got lucky. Many of my friends did not.
I hope that educates you and I can just leave that mess in the past.
learningaswego 2/11/2014 10:36:24 AM Report

You don't need children in the house to split income. You're either completely uninformed; or just the usual Harper-hater making stuff up; or just plain dumb as dirt.
Prometheus 2/11/2014 10:40:42 AM Report

Canada Post (Royal Mail) used to have an entity called the Post Office Savings Bank until 1968. A copy of the Post Office Savings Bank Regulations can be found at this site - . http://goo.gl/wq0DaK

The Pierre Trudeau Liberal government, through Postmaster General Eric Kierans from Quebec, announced the phase out of the post bank on August 28, 1968. See the news article at http://goo.gl/nZsokk
realitycheck 2/11/2014 10:46:26 AM Report

"Reality Check---Where did you get the idea that Canada Post was pulling back on their plans for Community Boxes ?"

Oldie:
The post referred to the U.S., not Canada. I was answering flyhawk, who had said the U.S. had finally cancelled Saturday delivery. My info was that it had backed off on this and was still providing the service.
flyhawk didn't respond as to where he got his information.
I posted this last night but it was so late I didn't think you would see it.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 10:50:19 AM Report

realitycheck...you may be correct.
It would not surprise me nor do I care what they do.
The US has more money to waste than we do.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 10:54:55 AM Report

pro,
"Based on what you are saying his inability to properly represent the people in his riding is our fault? What would you like us do? "

To represent you need to have people to represent.
Stand up and be counted. It's that simple!
Hunter101 2/11/2014 10:55:37 AM Report

Still morning and all of the Harper haters are conjuring up conspiracy theories on how he swept a Canada Post study under the table. And we're paranoid?

You know how often I send a parcel via post?

Probably once or twice a month. I have all paperless billing and do most of my account management online. If you truly believe that we still need door to door mail service then you are living in the stone age.

David Poluck - good! It's a step in the right direction. If Harper wants to keep people spending their money here he will make the prices equal. I remember my brother went to PayLess Shoes to buy a pair of boots advertised on the website (American) for $30. When we went to the one on top of the hill....$60!

How is crossing the border an excuse for doubling the price? I can see a small increase but that's ridiculous.

Needless to say one of the employees who worked there blurted out when we pointed out the difference "Oh, well we have free healthcare here."

The left wing mind will make up any excuse.
realitycheck 2/11/2014 11:01:31 AM Report

"Wow Fly .. you got rid of the Third Reich!"

Wisen:
Where did you get that from what flyhawk said? Push his buttons all you want but I think you should do it based on some understanding of what he actually said.

I'm with Snobank in thinking flyhawk was a bit out in blaming his generation for what happened in the Third Reich. It was probably two generations before his that turned the blind eye to what Hitler was doing -- Churchill and Roosevelt being exceptions -- and the generation before his that cleaned up the problem.
Just Curious 2/11/2014 11:06:26 AM Report

Bobby, the budget makes no difference to me as I already have income splitting...Rent, PUC, Groceries, Taxes, Meds, Etc.. And not much left for the Etc, by the way...:)
soowat 2/11/2014 11:08:55 AM Report

right wing

Given the track record of all governments in covering up issues that may get a negative reaction from voters, it follows that we cynics would accuse the government of a cover-up
theprotector 2/11/2014 11:12:09 AM Report

LOL at DP! Here for a momment you might have something reasonable to say instead mumble jumble. If you dont have an intellegent comment to make or realistic suggestions then simply dont say anything.
He is not doing his job for which we entrusted him with...whether or not I or you voted for him...his job is represent the people of his area and he simply is not and you are saying its our fault? If we had the ability yes even the conservatives on this site would fire him I would think. But how can you hold me or anyone else responsible for that? Yes next election will speak volumes but for now he would rather simply call the local police to have you removed from his office then address any issues that he was put into place to address. Come on really?
right wing 2/11/2014 11:12:38 AM Report

Well that was a straight as a crooked arrow....

The history of Vietnam by Jane "flyhawk" Fonda.....
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 11:23:32 AM Report

Give it a rest pal.
You sat on your gills while good people died so just shut up.
You are a perfect example of the neo-con hawks who want to send other people's kids into stupid wars.
Gurpy 2/11/2014 11:49:42 AM Report

I agree with protector. Our elected officials, THE ONES VOTED IN FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE, have no visible desire to work FOR the people! Phone calls, emails and even hand written letters go unacknowledged and not just from the "nobody`s" of our city! Had a doctor tell me about how one of our "elected officials" here in the Sault would NEVER reply to any of his correspondence!They sure know who you are and are more than willing to listen when there`s an election around the corner!
cathyh 2/11/2014 12:19:24 PM Report

Good for you flyhawk25. Saying it like it is. Vietnam was a very unjust war and many good young people died. Right wing has been set straight by someone like you who actually put your life on the line.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:21:20 PM Report

So fly, I'm confused. Did you serve in Vietnam or did you not?
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:27:20 PM Report

By the sounds of it you just missed your draft due to conveniently living in Canada.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 12:35:45 PM Report

Sorry but she is not correct.
I had a draft card just like every other American kid.
There was no 'lottery' then. They just started at #1 and went from there.If you were deemed a candidate - a detail which would take too long to explain - you got a letter and had to report.
If you passed the tests you were in the army.If you pre-empted that you could enlist in the other services.If they'd take you.
Most of my group ended up in a rice paddy eventually because they were part of the 'bodies' McNamara and friends needed.
By then I was enrolled in school here and never did live in the states after age four.That did not matter - a citizen is a citizen and if you weren't connected you went.
And I hope that can be the final word on a sad part of many lives.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:35:52 PM Report

Take a look at Switzerland. That is the perfect example of how a country should be run. They are neutral, but every single male, on their 18th birthday, has to complete basic military training. They are given (at taxes expense) a standard military issue rifle and are expected to keep it for life and practice regularly.

The whole country is ready to defend itself if it's attacked.

Canada? We'll fly the LGBT flag and hope that works.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:39:30 PM Report

fly, a lot of people fled to Canada where the U.S. government couldn't touch them. I'm not saying you're one of them, but I am saying that IF you didn't serve, then you have nothing to hold above re's head.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:40:00 PM Report

rw's*
Oldie Goldie 2/11/2014 12:41:00 PM Report

Canada Post Leaders are true Conservatives----One Track Minds

No thought of 3 day delivery---no thought of getting into banking---no concern for their customers---No listening to anyone who might help them make a profit---just one way--Layoff 8000 and buy and install hundreds of thousands of Community Mail Boxes---including renting or buying spaces to put them on.

These are the ideas from a Corporation that says they will soon lose money.

By the way---if my memory serves me right--the recently appointed C.E.O.
Deepak Choprey was once a Conservative M.P. and got his appointment from the Conservatives ? Or do I have the wrong guy ?
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 12:42:05 PM Report

I get it now why you would never attend a remembrance day service. Just not your speed. I had profs that thought just like you.
steelworker 2/11/2014 12:45:21 PM Report

Nice to see how our idiot judges work. A man shoots another man in the head and the judge is surprised and confused that the shooter doesn't want bail. This idiot should be tossed off the bench as he would probably ask Jack the Ripper if he wanted bail.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:50:10 PM Report

steely, our judges are probably some of the dumbest on the planet. Don't expect much.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 12:50:21 PM Report


Oh boy.
Once again I have to respond to swamp gas.
Not only did I attend many services at the arena after I retired I organized Remembrance Day services at my school for the kids and staff.
No question that I oppose war. But I honor those who served or are currently serving.
Now.
Please shut up with the stupid assumptions.
Or regale us about your own combat heroism. Just a bunch of wannabe-warriors.
Go back to the video games you sissies.
Much safer.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 12:53:22 PM Report

fly, your posts really make me feel a whole lot better about myself.
cathyh 2/11/2014 12:54:15 PM Report

Flyhawk25: I misinterpreted your post. Never the less I agree with your comments on the Vietnam war and I salute every serviceman/woman who ever went to war to defend their country. The Americans who were drafted to fight in Vietnam had no recourse even though IMHO the war was wrong.
Oldie Goldie 2/11/2014 12:55:19 PM Report

Hunter 101---typical Senior-hating reaction---Not everyone has paperless Mailing and many don't trust it even if they spent $ 1200--$ 1500 to buy all the necessary equipment.

Target stores in Canada and the U.S.A. were hacked and gave up millions of private info. on their customers to the hackers.

I, personally, received several billing errors on my paperless info. and, one time, I had to get a Lawyer to Notarize a paper denying that I had purchased an item that I was charged for.

Paperless Business is not without it's faults so why do you expect that everyone should be like you !

Go to a Bank or Credit Union around the first of the month and you will see hundreds of people with checks in hand wanting to do personal business.
Mr. Poster 2/11/2014 12:56:31 PM Report

I was shocked that SEATON was even CONSIDERED for bail He was smarter than all of them there and opted to stay in jail...where the judge should have put him in the first place. A guy who shoots another guy in the head has to be considered a threat to the rest of the community.
bounder 2/11/2014 1:02:16 PM Report

Steelworker
+niner.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 1:06:46 PM Report

cathyh...not too many wars are right.
But sometimes they are necessary to preserve a country and its people.
I believe that the last justifiable war was WWII.
But the whole military/industrial complex - Eisenhower's term - has become self-perpetuating and innocent people die.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 1:08:36 PM Report

And paper billing doesn't have it's issues?

Come on, don't kid yourself. Everything you receive on paper is being done electronically behind your back anyways. Your paper receipt is only as good as their electronic records.

All you do with paper billing is waste someones time.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 1:09:52 PM Report

And I don't hate seniors. I hate complacency.

You don't have to be ripely aged to be complacent.
soowat 2/11/2014 1:26:56 PM Report

steely

I,too, was astounded that bail was being considered

However,I don't think you can correctly point the finger at the judge. I think the problem is with our politicians who write the laws
Prometheus 2/11/2014 1:29:59 PM Report

Oldie Goldie

You have the wrong Deepak.

The Conservative MP from Calgary is Deepak Obhrai.

Deepak Chopra's previous job was President and CEO of Pitney Bowes. He has experience with mail services in Australia, UK, China, The Emirates, India and Japan
steelworker 2/11/2014 1:32:52 PM Report

No. It was up to the discretion of the idiot judge to offer bail. "Here me boyo have a slap on the wrist and sin no more." Maybe the judge could put Seaton up at his home until the trial.
bounder 2/11/2014 1:39:00 PM Report

Soo today has disabled the comment section it appears in the bail hearing,
if there was one, if not they're mind reading the future comments.
I've seen this done in communist countries.
Snobank 2/11/2014 1:42:35 PM Report

There is a law of diminishing returns. Every time one of you bashes Fly's quite sane views about war you better list your service record from Vietnam. Otherwise you are just another old drugstore cowboy all hat and no horse.
theprotector 2/11/2014 1:55:16 PM Report

bail has to be considered, its the law! He is not guilty of anything yet and has the same rights as you or anyone else being held would have.
steelworker 2/11/2014 2:00:08 PM Report

From the article it appears that the judge was almost forcing bail on the accused. Shoot someone in the head and get to walk the streets within 48 hours. Nice.
Snobank 2/11/2014 2:02:21 PM Report

I'm not sure what communist country bounder claims to hail from but he certainly does not understand the Canadian concept of free speech.

In Canada bounder is quite free to set up his own website page and say whatever he feels like. Of course others are free to sue him for libel as free speech does mean you are accountable for what you say.

If someone else makes a libelous statement on bounder's website bounder could also be found responsible unless he can demonstrate he took reasonable steps to edit or remove that statement.

In other words, if you own or are responsible for a website you have every right to remove any thing you don't like no matter how much it infuriates someone. After all, you own it.

If you want free uncensored postings start your own website but be prepared to be personally accountable for what you say. It's the Canadian way.
theprotector 2/11/2014 2:04:34 PM Report

they need to ensure that the accused understands the legal issues for which they are denying. There is a document called the charter of rights and freedoms that protect you and me and him - whether or not you agree with it is not relavent. Remember he has only been charged not convicted.
steelworker 2/11/2014 2:06:55 PM Report

I'm sure this clown probably nows the legal system better than most.
theprotector 2/11/2014 2:08:54 PM Report

of course he does
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 2:19:51 PM Report

And I bet that clown 'nows' how to proofread and to spell.
steelworker 2/11/2014 2:25:34 PM Report

...says the artful dodger.
bounder 2/11/2014 2:26:30 PM Report

SNOBANK
Didn't say I was from a communist country, nor was it implied , just saying that if the posters became offensive, take them down , but why the mind reading , lends me to believe that where all in the same boat, including you, bad people.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 2:28:43 PM Report


Pro,
Come on really? "His job is represent the people of his area and he simply is not and you are saying its our fault?"

Yes I am. It is all up to you!
Clear enough? No mumbo jumbo.
Just wondering. How's the entrusting thing working for you?
Sounds like you are unhappy with the way things are but I'm not clear on a few things.

Do you interact with Bryan with emails or phone calls?

What is the role of a MP? In your opinion.

I just fail to understand why you don't see the way the representative should work.



David Poluck 2/11/2014 2:37:49 PM Report

Gurpy, Working as an organizer in the SSMAR I see interactions with our council happening all the time. Having the preliminary budget out two month early is on example of how just such communications between representatives and ratepayers yields improvements.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 2:39:54 PM Report

P.S,,Is it prefect,,,no but things always get better with practice.
Just Curious 2/11/2014 2:41:04 PM Report

Bail hearings are part of the procedure, I know, been there.. And Steely, tell me again how many years of army service you have??. I don't have any as I married young and they didn't want married people but I have a lot of respect for those that have served and also a lot of respect for the ones who did not believe and didn't want to be forced into something they wanted no part of.. Lord knows, there are enough people wanting to shoot someone, some of them in the Sault..:)
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 2:50:55 PM Report

JC...have you noticed?
These posters come in, make snide remarks and when they get a cogent and reasoned response all react the same way.
No apology.
No response acknowledging the response.
Just slide back into the swamp to come back another time with a silly personal attack.
My fear is that they will vote - or breed.
theprotector 2/11/2014 3:01:43 PM Report

so tell me dp how is it supposed to work? What is his role? What would you like to see us do to keep federal jobs here, postal service here etc....etc...? What are we paying him for? I have called, emailed and visited never not once have ever gotten a return call or a did you get your passport yet or we will look into it...
nothing.
So continue with your nose up his butt he is a useless piece of crap
David Poluck 2/11/2014 3:10:17 PM Report

Ummm...nose up his butt.
Grow up. lol
David Poluck 2/11/2014 3:12:21 PM Report

Pro...want to find out how it works?
Fresco Restaurant 7-9 SSMAR Finance Group get together. It's a good place to start.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 3:12:53 PM Report

fly,

I can all but guarantee you that Harper will be elected once election time rolls around.

And yes I will be voting (for Harper). I have only voted once (again, for Harper) and that was when it was apparent that it would even mean something.

Of course, you'll probably reason that since most people are stupid and a lot of people voted for Harper then they are all stupid....But when the Libs win an election, it is because people came to their senses.

Please, spare me the response.

David Poluck 2/11/2014 3:13:00 PM Report

That's tonight by the way!
Snobank 2/11/2014 3:20:02 PM Report

Bounder, my comment about coming from a communist country was just a mild attempt at humor. You did use the argument that the website's removal of comments was something you had heard of in a communist country. That comparison, if you truly believe it and were not just making a dramatic statement, showed you did not understand the rights, and yes, the responsibilities that go with free speech.

As a way of illustrating, suppose you converted the side of your house to a giant bulletin board and invited the public to make comments on it for others to see. Lots of people did. Eventually someone wrote on it a insulting lie about your neighbour. You failed to erase it. You, as well as the person who wrote it, could end up in court. Even if you are found innocent it's still likely to cost you a ton of money in legal fees. If found guilty you may even be bankrupt.

Your website is like your house.The response sites on it are the walls where you invite postings. You own that wall and you have the right to remove anything you like from that wall any time you want.You have the right to ban posters from your wall if you wish. You don't have to give a reason. You have the duty to protect yourself.

Remember the old statement,"Freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell 'fire' in a crowded movie theater, (unless the theatre's actually on fire.)

Most of us see ourselves as part of the good guys and yes comments that we make that we feel passionate about may get removed but that in a convoluted sort of way is the price we pay for free speech.
Grump 2/11/2014 3:39:08 PM Report

Big Brother ,sorry just got back home. The article was on Sault today news this a.m.
Gurpy 2/11/2014 3:41:53 PM Report

protector
That`s the way it goes! They want your vote and after that, who gives a rat`s behind! I love when they knock at my door looking for votes and I introduce myself and point out how NO ONE EVER GOT BACK TO ME!
Gurpy 2/11/2014 3:51:46 PM Report

David P
I believe you do see a lot of interaction BUT you do not see the average citizen waiting & waiting and never getting a response! Then comes election time! Flyers, knocks at your door, telephone calls and an INTENSE interest in who you are and what your need is! Nothing but BULL! So long as they get your vote, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!
Just Curious 2/11/2014 3:52:23 PM Report

@ Fly; Either ...or both....Sadly..:).
bounder 2/11/2014 4:07:40 PM Report

Snowbank
Not sure how to respond ,but if you read my posting you would've seen I did give them the benefit that they had comments open and where taken down, if so and correctly done.
But just to blanket the story, well what else could they influence, politics, news stories that they support,or don't.
The tidal wave is the after effect of censorship.
Just Curious 2/11/2014 4:10:01 PM Report

Regarding the attempted murder at 142 Albert st.. The police have stated there is no connection between the Petrie murder and this attempted murder but when you get 2 murders in the same house in a short span of time something smells.. It's on the corner of Albert and Hughes, which is another street that is on the news on a regular basis, both for drugs and prostitute charges. That cruiser sitting on Albert with the lights flashing is probably killing the streetwalkers business today.. They haven't been nearly as visible as usual here..
mallet 2/11/2014 4:17:37 PM Report


Grump...

How would you respond to Harper if he was to propose a 2014 deficit of $514 billion as the U S of A is proposing to do. Would you say that was somewhat unthinkable? or would you say that was being responsible in view of the financial climate south of the border, oh and also to raise the debt limit.. again.. I think the U S will be passing on this debt not to just their grand children but two or three more generations after that...

Flyhawk...
I agree with you regarding the Vietnam War, it was silly of the U S to get involved, Stupidity of the Military/Politicians to think that vitually raw recruits could do a better job than the French Foreign Legion could do, and also be somewhat micro-managed from 5 thousand miles away. One of the worst things that happened was the deminished trust in the command, spending lives to take ground and then giving it back to be fought over again and again.
Grump 2/11/2014 4:18:34 PM Report

rw Of course it wasn't Harper burying that report It was likely Justin or Mulcair. give me a break rw just who in the hell would or even could do it other than Harper. As head know it all you can respond with reason , no BS. for a change.
Gurpy 2/11/2014 4:19:38 PM Report

JC
Years ago I lived not far from that house. I didn`t notice how bad the neighborhood was. I was working full time and home to eat and shower only. The house itself is nice looking (from the outside).
learningaswego 2/11/2014 4:27:13 PM Report

With the obsessed - with - Harper - hating crowd, it's always, always....no matter what happens, it's always Harper's fault.

If you're fat? ugly? stupid? weak...? Harper's fault for sure.

Don't make enough money? That's because the evil Harper did something to you.

Economy doing good? Nothing to do with Harper.

Economy on the skids? Yup, that evil Harper did that - on purpose!

Your grandmother hates you, or you smell bad? Obviously Harper.

According to the obsessive Harper-haters, there is just no evil too small for that Harper guy to inflict upon their miserable lives.



Snobank 2/11/2014 4:32:38 PM Report

Bounder, I think you hit on the heart of the matter. One man's opinion is another man's censorship. We all, consciously or unconsciously, come from based viewpoints. It's normal to see our viewpoint as logical and correct and see the fallacies in the viewpoints of those we disagree with. We rarely see or admit the errors or the attitudes in our own thinking that predispose us to act in certain ways.

We all censor things whether we admit it to ourselves or not. On this site many posters tell many other posters to go away in much more colorful language than I am using. That is a form of censorship.

I would suggest that the conversation you and I have been engaged in is non-censorship. We have been reasonably polite and respectful to each other even if we haven't agreed completely. Neither one of us has urged the other to do something anatomically impossible or insulted the other person's character.

I call that a non - censored adult conversation. Nice talking to you, bounder.
David Poluck 2/11/2014 4:33:23 PM Report

Gurpy,
If what you describe is not to your liking work to change it. We are holding a general meeting of SSMAR on February 23 in the Russ Ramsay Room from 7-9
Come meet with others that believe change is possible.
Grump 2/11/2014 4:33:25 PM Report

Mallet Harper has a lot of pressure to balance the budget from his own supporters, other than our local ones who believe the sun shines right out of his Butt. I fail to see the usefulness of comparing Canada and the USA. Canada can and is being hurt by the States mainly due (In my mind) from this government's handling of Keystone etc. That would be my response to your question.
Snobank 2/11/2014 4:34:43 PM Report

Based- biased
Grump 2/11/2014 4:38:55 PM Report

Learning my question has to be ,Is it Harper's fault that you are a complete moron? Why not try to get your nose buried a tad deeper in your hero?
Hunter101 2/11/2014 4:51:23 PM Report

learning as we go,

And there you have it, the slightly-above-neanderthal response of "you're a moron."

Courtesy of you guess it....
Hunter101 2/11/2014 4:51:52 PM Report

No Grump,

But it isn't Harper's fault that you are!
realitycheck 2/11/2014 4:59:10 PM Report

"With surprise and frustration, Stanghetta confirmed that Seaton wished not to show cause why he should be released and he agreed."

Is this the quote that has some posters dumping on the judge at the Seaton bail hearing? I think it should be taken into account that this is only a reporter's take on it. If the judge happened to be surprised, so what? I think most of us are surprised along with him because most of these guys want bail. As for being frustrated, how does the reporter know? If he said it, she should have quoted him as saying it. As to the comment from a poster that we have the dumbest judges, some examples may be in order.
Big Bad Bob 2/11/2014 5:00:50 PM Report

I’ll maybe begin to believe that the war against the Vietcong was an unjust one on the day when those perfidious, unscrupulous cutthroats begin to turn their so-called Democrat Republic into a free country governed by rule of law. I’m still waiting for them to start but, at my age, I probably don’t have enough years left to live in order to see it in spite of my enduring love for the peoples of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.
realitycheck 2/11/2014 5:04:11 PM Report

By the way, in regard to some expressing surprise that there was a bail hearing for Seaton considering the circumstances, everyone who is arrested under our system of justice is entitled to a bail hearing. Whether they get it or not is another matter.
realitycheck 2/11/2014 5:16:13 PM Report

"Please, spare me the response."

Hunter101:
So you are telling us you want to spout off but don't want a retort. Beautiful. However, if everyone would follow this practice the rancor would be gone from this site. It is the responses to posts that seem to bring the most irate retorts.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 5:25:23 PM Report

Oh I don't argue with you on that one, reality check.

Surely if no one replied, it would be pretty boring in here.

That being said, I know what kind of response I'm going to get and I figured I'd save him the trouble.
Grump 2/11/2014 5:35:13 PM Report

Hunter, no response, anyone who thinks and acts as you do is not worth responding to.
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:03:50 PM Report

Yawn another taxless budget. What a farce. carry on Flaherty you will be missed and so will your leader.
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:05:47 PM Report

Whoever made the Jane Fonda comment . Grow up and please get a life. Thank You for understanding.
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:07:45 PM Report

Hunter101 perhaps if you had something meaningful to discuss we could have a positive dialogue. Until then.....
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 6:10:56 PM Report

Exactly.
When Fonda made that comment it was three husbands and four face lifts ago.She is now a very sexy and thoughtful woman.
Some people do actually grow and change.
The rest live in swamps and write on here.
statusquo 2/11/2014 6:20:46 PM Report

Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 8:35:25 AM Report

"Wow Fly .. you got rid of the Third Reich!
You'd think, even with your "mobility issues" you could drag your ass to the Remembrance Day service next November, to bask in the adoration. Blunderbuss can pick you up in his truck."

Coming from someone who drags his ass across the ditch whenever rotisserie chicken is on special at Walmart, that is rich!

What an unpleasant human being you are.
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:23:23 PM Report

Like I have reiterated over and over those that favour Harper don't read blogs forums and don't understand the malaise this country is under. High unemployment, under employment and fear of the middle class dumbing down to the level of underdeveloped countries.
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:25:15 PM Report

Status it is his knuckles that drag.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


LOL

Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 6:25:48 PM Report

Why thank you stats, thank you very much.
Wasn't the budget a home run!
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:28:24 PM Report

Hey what happened to the elected, effective and equal senate that the Harper man promised? Oh and what about that do-not-call -list? Oh and that job action thingy (which never really did not get underway)?

What happened Stevo ?????????
lookaround 2/11/2014 6:29:08 PM Report

The budget was a total YAWN.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 6:31:46 PM Report

The Great Lakes are headed to 97% ice coverage. Equal to 1979. I know man made global warming is the culprit, just wondering if any of the geniuses on here can "splain" it.
Talking to you Stats, Bubba, Flyguy.
Not TP .. please not TP.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 6:35:19 PM Report

lookaround, ANYONE can post in a forum. That isn't a reliable resource, and if the forum is titled "Out with Harper!" then it's obvious who is going to post there.
Hunter101 2/11/2014 6:36:35 PM Report

Wisen, it's just a fluke!

If it wasn't for global warming we would be in Arctic temperatures now!
statusquo 2/11/2014 6:39:30 PM Report

It was Wisen..it was.

Great stuff...say, when I grow up I wanna be just like you !

You've got it made pal...vacationing in Florida, drinking copious amounts of Rum, giving out investment advice nobody asked for , but alert enough to watch out for a 4 dollar savings on rotisserie chicken at Walmart in a foreign country and attending Veteran's Day no matter what. The veterans sure had you in mind on Juno Beach.
I'd like to chat some more, but I just finished my bowel movement....gots to do stuff now.....thinking of you.
Grump 2/11/2014 6:43:19 PM Report

wisen you morons have beat the climate change (or not) to death. For goodness sake grow up, expand your interest past Wally World bargains and maybe you can appear as an ordinary human being. Failing that have rw give you a new topic to beat to death.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 6:48:05 PM Report

Har, har stats .. Stock tip,
Potash, P-T, ready to roll! You're welcome!
Gurpy 2/11/2014 6:48:50 PM Report

Davd P.
Thanks but I`d be wasting my time and my energy! You see, I`m not viewed as a "tax payer" because my income in NOT taxable. Yet, I pay TAXES through the nose every time I make a purchase, pay my PUC etc. I have not been able to work since Dec. of 2002. Had an accident in Feb. 2002 and somehow managed to work until the end of that year. Honestly don`t know how I did it! I was in constant pain!
I can honestly say I`ve given up on a lot of our elected officials.(not all) To be even more honest....I am DISGUSTED beyond DISGUSTED! You don`t want me in ANY meeting! You`d have NO problem identifying my nationality! I`m not Irish but I do make the Irish look like kitty kats! Most importantly, I choose to use my limited energy in much more productive ways. Thanks anyway.
statusquo 2/11/2014 6:52:36 PM Report

Thank you Wisen,

My tip is "Warner-Lambert's"...makers of Anusol.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 6:54:59 PM Report

OK Grunt ... The budget ensures a surplus in 2015, possibly this year.
Then Steve can start paying down the national debt, and giving goodies to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Now you understand Canadians vote with their wallets, so it will be glorious.
By the way, where did the Senate scandal go?
soowat 2/11/2014 6:58:27 PM Report

I understand why Wisen is recommending the purchase of Potash stock. After all it is a key ingredient in fertilizer and the way he spreads fertilizer he needs to have an infinite supply
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:02:48 PM Report

"The budget ensures a surplus in 2015, possibly this year."

Trying hard to do my DrEvil impression......"Rrightt!"
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 7:03:01 PM Report

Just watched live streaming of Elizabeth May on CBC moaning and bitching over the budget.
Feel like having a shower and a Mohito to get over it.
Soowat .. your fertilizer aside was actually pretty lame.
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:07:11 PM Report

Wisen,

You hear Elisabeth May moan and now you want to go have a shower? A shower eh?....that's what they call it now.....
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 7:10:37 PM Report

Har har Stats .. you're trying too hard and failing miserably.
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:11:56 PM Report

I don't think so.
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:12:36 PM Report

Har Har? throw in an LOL while you're at it.
Wisenheimer 2/11/2014 7:15:41 PM Report

Stats, do not, I repeat, do not, inject Ms. May in any scenario implying bunga, bunga.
You know it's just wrong.
Grump 2/11/2014 7:18:24 PM Report

Wisen your 6:54:59 post , you are putting me on, even you can't be that stupid. They are talking about a 2 or 3 Billion surplus which doesn't begin to pay the interest on the debt they ran up. That said it is better than another deficit year so you carry on with your glorious celebration. If they don't make their interest payments they can pass out about 5 dollars each to buy votes.
bounder 2/11/2014 7:21:02 PM Report

Ten Million tax dollars for snowmobile enhancement and trails, nice real nice for a private organization , to use these trails, buy the big price permit.
How about a public boat launch in Goulais Bay for the PUBLIC that anyone can use, or is this to difficult.
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:21:06 PM Report

Not paying attention anyway...watching women's curling....waiting for a touchdown or whatever they call it....lots of icing going on , the thingy they slide is called a "rock". The circlydoops they try to land the rock on is called, homebase or home for short.
They sure seem to be wanting to keep the surface clean, constantly sweeping like crazy...getting turned on by their fast arm action with them there brooms...
Still no goal yet . The winner apparently gets a medal.
lookaround 2/11/2014 7:40:14 PM Report

Let me get this straight Harper raises EI premiums then limits the eligibility then presto he has a surplus. Any unasuming idiot know this. Then PRESTO like a thief in the night he takes 4 billion and tries to make the gullible believe he is balancing his budget.

We had a 13 billion surplus before Harper won his thin margin and then he was in the red by July of 2008 to the tune of 7 billion that is before the Bush fiasco that plunged the world into a near depression.
It went downhill all the way since then but with some artful thievery he has managed to artificially call this a balanced budget. Folks we have a procurement of 4 billion pending but that is for another swampers discussion. Carry on folks 2015 is coming faster than the rabbit Flatulately has pulled out of the taxpayers hat. Phew.
flyhawk25 2/11/2014 7:41:31 PM Report

SQ-try this after getting hooked on women's curling. It is not an original idea but...
Have a shower.Shave one leg.Go to bed and close your eyes. Just listen to those gals shout 'hurry hard!'Fall asleep.
When you wake up feel that shaved leg and you will forget Darlene.
You're welcome.
lookaround 2/11/2014 7:42:46 PM Report

Wisen stop side winding like a snake in the grass and stop commenting about May and Fonda. Anything to distract the stupid from the truth het Wisen? Get the facts and stop your inane babbling.
lookaround 2/11/2014 7:44:40 PM Report

hunter101 really anyone can post on a forum. Well why are you?
statusquo 2/11/2014 7:52:22 PM Report

Fly,

Speaking of the Olympic Games, Canada would be at par with Slovenia in medal counts if it weren't for our athletes from Quebec!
dust2 2/11/2014 8:05:19 PM Report

>"No listening to anyone who might help them make a profit---just one way--Layoff 8000 and buy and install hundreds of thousands of Community Mail Boxes---including renting or buying spaces to put them on."

LOL, maybe they did listen and that was the best plan?

2-3 day delivery? SO BAD ROFL, yeah that will save as much money as laying off 8K and using community mailboxes.

saw someone bash paperless business, what? either sub 100 IQ or troll. how can someone seriously want more paper and less digital documents. must be a 55+ thing
statusquo 2/11/2014 8:12:38 PM Report

Hey Dust,

An "LOL" and an "ROFL"...that is indeed young and hip.

You're "with it"....but, shouldn't you be "rofling your girlfriend or something rather than discussing Canada Post on sootoday?

I am old....so I have an excuse. What's yours? Testoreone issues?
Hunter101 2/11/2014 8:54:08 PM Report

I post on here for amusement, probably just like Wisen, rw, mallet & lawg.
Bobby Nerves 2/11/2014 8:56:19 PM Report

chickenhawk.

he's looking for a two strokes.
soowat 2/11/2014 9:02:49 PM Report

Hunter101

You certainly are amusing. The problem is that folks aren't laughing with you,they are laughing at you
redranger 2/11/2014 9:06:30 PM Report

Hunter

"And yes I will be voting (for Harper). I have only voted once (again, for Harper) and that was when it was apparent that it would even mean something."

Does this mean that you are so young that you only were eligible to vote once. If so, you are too young to be considered as part of a rational discussion.
If it is not the case, then you did not vote for some other reason. If this is so, then you are not responsible enough to have any opinion on politics.
So, in any case, your opinion is not worth considering.

Hunter101 2/11/2014 9:15:21 PM Report

I voted once because I didn't see any benefit until now. I'm not going to justify myself with any further response to that. Moreover, if I am young as you say I am, and you say my opinion doesn't matter, then you are guilty of the same thing you accuse young people of...ageism.

soowat, mentally challenged people laugh for no reason, so people laughing at me on here wouldn't deride me. Keep that helmet on, you Dee-dee-dee.
steelworker 2/11/2014 9:20:23 PM Report

Nice to see Shiny Ponys' handlers take the ball gag out of his mouth to make a short diatribe against the Harper government. Why the young whippersnapper got out about a dozen words before the ball gag was re-inserted. Poofter.
dust2 2/11/2014 9:48:20 PM Report

>"If so, you are too young to be considered as part of a rational discussion.
If it is not the case, then you did not vote for some other reason. If this is so, then you are not responsible enough to have any opinion on politics."

LOL, yeah cause anyone who's 40 is clearly 100% responsible. I've seen 16 year old kids more responsible than many adults.

How many adults are cry-baby blame-shifting illogical whiners? Plenty.

In addition, many comments here that came from people clearly over 40 show intense ignorance a lack of open-mindedness, which helps no discussion. How many people here talk 100% out of their ass and say things like "we don't NEED more energy"? Tons of them, how are these people helping a political discussion?

KEEP HATIN DEM KIDS LOL
statusquo 2/11/2014 10:04:10 PM Report

Hunter101 2/11/2014 9:15:21 PM Report

"I voted once because I didn't see any benefit until now. I'm not going to justify myself with any further response to that"

Thank you Hunter. Now I know what I am dealing with....or not.

Do you people ever re-read your post's the next day?




statusquo 2/11/2014 10:09:56 PM Report

steely,

"ball gag"? really?!...you're getting irishfey all excited now.

redranger 2/11/2014 10:51:56 PM Report

dust
when are you going to clarify your recent statement? You said students went away to college or uni and never came back. Which are you? Did you not go to college or university or are you not in SSM? As for ageism, some of the most intelligent people I have met are young. Age gives wisdom, experience and perspective... something you and Hunter do not have . Your childish habit of name-calling shows this.
3rd times a charm 2/11/2014 11:10:20 PM Report

the budget means nothing and there is no deficit because they have promised their billions of dollars and non-existent jobs in 2016--the jerk off Harper will not be in power then, so someone else will inherit all his debt...

they made billions this year, taking EI from employers

took 3 billion from the defense budget to cover their deficit

read the whole report on line...google it and read it--it's all smoke and mirrors--since Harper will be gone, none of this is worth the paper it is written on...
dust2 2/11/2014 11:43:06 PM Report

>"Age gives wisdom, experience and perspective..."

It *can*, age doesn't automatically give you wisdom, experience and perspective. It's wrong to assume a soccer player with 100 games played is a better than a soccer player with 10 games. Sure that 100 game player has more game experience, but he could mentally absorb less and have worse decision making skills. More games doesn't mean anything, it's about how you play and the information you take from it, how your decisions affect the game and how your opponents decisions affect the game.

It's why tennis players with a year of experience can beat a tennis player with five years of experience. The new player tries harder, wants to learn as much as possible, applies his knowledge properly, practices more and generally wants to be better.

"You said students went away to college or uni and never came back. Which are you?"

It doesn't matter. What if I was your boss? What if I was a 30-something CEO? What if I did well making an iPhone app and I'm set for life?

It doesn't matter.
statusquo 2/11/2014 11:50:22 PM Report

You're very young dust...very young! Not chronologically but mentally.
Your post's reflect that.

dust2 2/12/2014 12:02:38 AM Report

sippin dat haterade lol
theprotector 2/12/2014 7:37:40 AM Report

So let me get this straight. Millions are going into job creation for young people. That equates to the continuance of internship programs with government departments to a max of 2 years. That person is dumped and another victim is brought in. 80 % of the funding actually goes to administrative costs little goes to actual wages. But this will allow backfilling of many provincial and federal full time jobs that have been hacked away.
I thought that conservatives were about less government and more free market? So what right does the umpa lumpa and fat boy harper have to start tampering with a competitive market place such as the border towns and cross border shopping? He cannot reduce tariffs unilaterally without reopening portions of NAFTA and other agreements. If they reduce taxes or create a rebate program then that is corporate welfare, cant force companies to reduce their profit margin it just isn’t the conservative way to do so!
In the mean time, Sault Ste. Marie continues to have federal and provincial jobs relocated out of the area and nay an objection from any of our representatives from any level of government. But that’s ok according to some because we have chosen to live in northern Ontario and its our fault.
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