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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014

Wednesday, January 08, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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soowat 1/8/2014 5:35:28 AM Report

Saw this on the news.

At some point yesterday,every state in the U.S. had a temperature below the freezing mark.

Yes,that included Hawaii.
bounder 1/8/2014 6:06:33 AM Report

The Hwy. is still closed, how do the plow operators get to work if the closed?
soowat 1/8/2014 6:53:47 AM Report


You may not be old enough to remember this,but back in the day there was a commercial that showed a snow plow operator driving to work in a V.W. Beetle
Jimssm 1/8/2014 6:58:35 AM Report

Good morning everyone.

If the US would switch to the centigrade system, the numbers wouldn't be so big so they wouldn't be so cold.

flyhawk25 1/8/2014 7:05:47 AM Report

But the NBA would have to lower their baskets and even I could dunk.
Grump 1/8/2014 7:24:46 AM Report

Good morning everyone, thank goodness we didn't get that two feet of snow they were predicting for the area. You fellows be gentle with the swampers today if any show up. I think I'm going to try to get some work done in the shop today. (where it's nice and warm) Bobby don't let those snow flies get you. lol. Have a great day all.
theprotector 1/8/2014 7:33:33 AM Report

I found it sad, but not surprising that when I posted about all the federal jobs leaving the Sault (not cut baqck - but relocations at the expence of tax payers) and Hayes knew about it and intentionally did nothing, none of the circle jerk party (rw et al) could reply. See what happens to them when you actually shove conservative facts into their ugle little minds?
Jimssm 1/8/2014 7:33:57 AM Report


But remember the players would be shorter too.
soowat 1/8/2014 7:38:20 AM Report


Why did their lack of response surprise you? RW and his posse are all adept at the art of deflection and spouting the Con mantra.
Just Curious 1/8/2014 7:50:11 AM Report

soowat, remember that commercial I was driving a VW Beetle at the time and it was virtually unstoppable in the snow. With a smooth under-floor and the engine in the rear it would toboggan right over some pretty good drifts. Loved that car, most dependable car ever..:)
Jimssm 1/8/2014 8:11:57 AM Report

I think the existence of Federal (or Provincial) offices in the city is a thing of the past.

I doubt if Hayes could have done anything about it. Just as school boards are building mega-schools, governments are building mega government service centres.... It's a fact of life in our world where online is often just as good as face-to-face.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 8:12:38 AM Report

Just curious...

Don't flood the heater though !!!
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 8:16:25 AM Report

JC...I had a Corvair ('Unsafe at Any Speed').
Same idea. Rear engine flat bottom and a beast.Very cool but very dangerous.
I was also very young.
Just Curious 1/8/2014 8:23:00 AM Report

@ jimssm; Mine had the combo heater(gas and flow-thru),worked great. 90 seconds after start-up you had heat with the gas unit. Some of the older ones I had never gave up heat if you drove them all an old VW bus and just loved it but you wore heavy clothes and had to scrape the inside of the windshield to see where you were going..The good old days...:)
theprotector 1/8/2014 8:27:26 AM Report

I agree jim but why move jobs out of an area that 1) need the jobs 2) to a market where cost are 300% higher to operate?
Where is the fiscal responsibility? Where is the common sence?
Just Curious 1/8/2014 8:31:42 AM Report

Fly...Yes the Corvair was a neat car, GMs answer to VW but they never quite got it right. They were much more stable after they changed the body style but by then Nadar had given them so much bad press they dropped it altogether. Remember the Ford Pinto?? The least little bump in the rear and the fuel tank went up like a bomb. Tough little car all the same. I think they were Ford's version of the Russian Hugo...:).
theprotector 1/8/2014 8:44:57 AM Report

oh yes the ford pinto - sad to think the company knew about the problem and did nothing
Just Curious 1/8/2014 8:59:49 AM Report

I think all car companies had at least one model they regretted building. Ford had several, the Pinto and the Edsel come to mind first. Gm had the Corvair, Chrysler had a couple that were less than lovely. Hyundai had a couple of real winners when they started over here too... Ups and downs for all of them...:)

learningaswego 1/8/2014 9:15:31 AM Report

When we see some "facts" about federal jobs transferred, then maybe the small c conservatives will comment.
So far, all I see is the usual general clueless comment about "hundreds of federal jobs leaving the Soo....."; with ZERO actual facts.

So, how about you start with some specifics, like which jobs, in which departments, and actual numbers.
And then we'll look at the possible reasons, if there actually were transfers, before we comment. You know, base an opinion on actual, verifiable information - instead of on some baseless, emotional, whatever - it is - must - be - all - Harper's fault - crap.

Now, in all likelihood, you got nothin', other than a rant.
Wisenheimer 1/8/2014 9:33:41 AM Report

1st time I heard Corvair and "cool" in the same sentence. They were the nerdiest thing on 4 wheels.
Different strokes I guess.
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 9:36:52 AM Report

British racing green exterior, teal blue/green leather seats. So what if the horn ring fell off the steering wheel twice a week.
Still cool.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 9:39:48 AM Report


Have a look at the Federal building on Bay Street... the 2nd floor used to have offices... now it is empty. The first floor (Service Canada) is also a lot smaller. A room full of computers to go online.

How many jobs ?? I have no idea...a second floor's worth.

I never said it was the Conservative governments fault. It probably would have happened with or without them.
T-rat 1/8/2014 9:41:44 AM Report

Learning: far be it for me to answer for theprotector but in his post he made no reference to any "Harper" but only to Hayes. I think that your neurosis is showing -- one of them at least. Maybe you need a crap to clear your head.
Just Curious 1/8/2014 9:42:32 AM Report

Wisen; They were so different from the rest of the pack it made them cool. And not only were they accident prone but GM made them in a snazzy convertible that you were sure to get killed in in the event of a rollover. Bear in mind now, this was back in the days when the kids could ride laying in the back window or standing on the seats. Safety wasn't a really big issue back then....:)
learningaswego 1/8/2014 9:52:11 AM Report

So, an alleged, partial empty floor in a building is all you got? That's it.
What a surprise.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 9:58:02 AM Report

I had a Corvair...

A 6 cylinder with 4 2-barrel carbs.

I especially liked the air-cooled engine and the fact the heater took air from over the cylinder heads. If you had any oil leaks the interior of the car smelled like a garage. An exhaust leak could gas you out of the car pretty quick.

Severe understeer too. More than once in the winter the car went straight when I wanted it to turn.
Phaedrus 1/8/2014 10:07:50 AM Report

When you consider the fact that there are three major parties running close together in the polls, the votes for Justin Trudeau on the Sootoday poll are far more interesting than they might appear on the surface.

If 45% of Saultites would consider voting for Trudeau, with our current Conservative MP, and a strong NDP following here, I would venture to say that he is a very strong contender. It's no wonder Flaherty is frantically trying to sell off Canada's assets to try and balance the budget by election time!
learningaswego 1/8/2014 10:10:54 AM Report

Sorry Jimssm - my last post incorrectly directed to you.

Didn't a bunch of federal jobs in that building transfer to the province or something?

If there has been downsizing; isn't it the job of our governments at all levels, to provide quality services at the least possible cost to taxpayers? I know this a foreign concept to the lefty-union crowd, who cheer when governments expand, because they think there is and endless supply of money; but in actual fact eventually someone (yes, taxpayers - all taxpayers to varying degrees) - has to pay the tab.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 10:18:49 AM Report


Alleged empty floor ??

Just go there and look... it isn't brain surgery to figure it out.

Better yet...

... looking for work ? Sorry but no one here can help you like we used to.... but this room full of computers is free for you to use.

.... cheating on your UI ? no need to worry because there is no longer any staff checking up on you.

..need help with unemployment ? Sorry.. call the toll free number or apply online.

... try to hire someone on unemployment like you used to be able to do ? Sorry.. call the toll free number.

... summer student looking for a job ?... sorry that office no longer exists.

... Want help preparing a resume ? Sorry but you need to find a private agency to do that.

... want to deal with immigration problems like you used to be able to do ? Sorry the office is in Toronto now.

...trouble with taxes or Canada Customs ? There used to be a phone and an interview/waiting area on the 2nd floor. Sorry but there are no more staff and the phone rings direct to Toronto.

... parking at the building is now contracted out and no longer free.

Now before you accuse me of Harper bashing... I NEVER said it was Harper's fault.

It's just a waste to see an almost brand new Federal government building sitting mostly unused. All those offices could fit easily into empty space in Roberta Bondar.

debo 1/8/2014 10:36:17 AM Report


I think you misread the report. If you check again it states " bar Hawaii" ... meaning not Hawaii.
mvnnth 1/8/2014 10:38:20 AM Report

Let me add to this list/rant. The Canadian Armed Forces recruiting office, that used to occupy space in the Cambrian Mall, is no more. Twelve FTE's ( not all from this office) were moved to Sudbury in the first part of last year. Some of these positions were out of the armory.
Spellchecker 1/8/2014 10:40:36 AM Report

Bobby, here's one from Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. He's on his way back, as I said he would on this blog on March 1, 2011. Germany is waiting for its new strongman and he intends to confront Putin, with the continued abdication of the war weary United States of America.

flyhawk25 1/8/2014 10:49:53 AM Report

Spelly...I don't think it would be a good idea to push Putin at all. He is a crazy thug who makes that sissy in N. Korea look like a choir boy.
How do you defend against crazy?
learningaswego 1/8/2014 10:50:58 AM Report

there are 2 offices that help people with unemployment, aren't there?
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 10:54:43 AM Report

Furthermore - Putin was in the KGB. Harper was in the boy scouts and Obama smoked dope.
I rest my case.
Wild Turkey 1/8/2014 10:54:47 AM Report

Wisen----I agree, I kinda thought Corvairs were nerdy at the time.I seem to remember they launched an S.S.(super sport) model.Then they used Little Joe from Bonanza as a spokesman to boost sales.That campaign likely led to the muscle car fad that evolved with the Cubic inch wars.Corvairs still looked, well, silly,but they could scoot.
The very first Mustang brandished a 260 engine.Then they came out with the 289 to beat the Chevy 283, and so on down the line until The Arab oil embargo changed everything.
theprotector 1/8/2014 10:57:29 AM Report

typical, you simply do not have a clue, everything from fisheries, national defence, natural resources, uic, cbsa, immigration. So before you start mouthing off about situation you know nothing about because you have your head so far up your ass! Two pogy offices bahaha, idiot!
theprotector 1/8/2014 11:01:32 AM Report

in other words, if you have the capcity which I highly doubt, be a responsible citizen for a change (at least once in your pathetic life) and look into with whom you follow blindly! any job loss in this area affects everyone eventually and will be a election issue front and center for hayes next time around.
cathyh 1/8/2014 11:05:42 AM Report

It's too bad the posters on here can't come up with good job-producing ideas instead of pushing the negative. I haven't heard one of you inject any positive ideas but you all can sure criticize. I don't profess to know any of the lost job numbers in the Sault and I admit that I don't have the answers to what ails our economy, I wish I did. I sort of think it has to do with free trade imbalances especially in the price of labor with our trading partners, ie, China, U.S., Thailand, India, Pakistan etc., etc.
learningaswego 1/8/2014 11:07:02 AM Report

There aren't 2 pogey offices rsole; there is one; and two other offices that help unemployed people, and in the summer, help students looking for summer jobs.
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 11:10:54 AM Report

I thought the idea was to elect Hayes and join the Harper Gravy Train.
Not only is there no gravy there's no train.
learningaswego 1/8/2014 11:18:52 AM Report

Don't follow anybody blindly, there genius; and don't know any true small c conservative that does.
Small c conservatives tend to be very practical, logical people and voters, where common sense, facts and reality governs our decisions.
Unlike the lefty mindset, that opines and votes mainly based on emotion; and are so easily duped by smooth-talking snake oil politicians.
steelworker 1/8/2014 11:26:02 AM Report

...with nice hair but reeks of pot.
theprotector 1/8/2014 11:32:47 AM Report

BAHAHAHAHA @ learning!!
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 11:35:57 AM Report

So much for common sense...
Budster 1/8/2014 12:06:22 PM Report

The only solution I can come up with is this. When this country was forming into industry jobs, we prospered. When WW II was over Japan was "cheaper" as their society became more affluent they too became as costly as our labour force. Right now it is China and Korea's turn to grow but they too will one day be as costly as the rest of the world. If we keep sending our raw materials out of country we will very soon have no capability of manufacturing anything. With no jobs available in this country we will then be what is called "a third world country"
So our politicians need to find some way to encourage jobs for this country in some form otherwise our work force will disappear to another country.
The second part is our country does not encourage it's people to populate the country. In resent years we are growing by immigration and not population therefore we are becoming the minority. A country built souly on profet with no social accountability is not a place to live and prosper. Just look at the poorer countries of Africa and middle east. You have very wealthy and very poor and the two never intermingle to create a middle class. Once middle class is eliminated because of profet you never get it back because of greed.
Wisenheimer 1/8/2014 12:14:49 PM Report

Fly .. had a 67 Merc. Capri, 6 cylinder standard. Gear shifter kept falling off.
Propped up driver's seat with a 2x4.
Thought it was cool.
Maybe not so different you and I.
Was there ever such a thing as "risk insurance" or did I dream that up?
steelworker 1/8/2014 12:20:29 PM Report

It was one hundred dollar risk insurance. A great thing if you had a 440 six-pack Dodge Challenger. (Just watched "Vanishing Point" - a great movie from the Seventies starring Barry Newman).
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 12:25:27 PM Report

Finally on love affairs with cars.
I traded that Corvair in on a brand new '68 or '69 Mustang fastback.I can't remember which year exactly.
It was that same dark green with a 302 and a four barrel.Paid Ramsey-Watkinson $3250 right off the showroom floor.
Then I did the intelligent thing and drove it into the ground.I don't even want to think what it would be worth today.
steelworker 1/8/2014 12:37:33 PM Report

Never ever watch Barrett-Jackson Auctions if you don't want to cry about cars you wrote off in the 70's.
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 1:16:25 PM Report

The very reason I do not.
theprotector 1/8/2014 1:23:19 PM Report

"we are becoming a minority"?? Define we - was our country not built on immgration? With a "we" and "them" mentality do you not think that counter productive in the development of our county if "they" keep coming in?
bounder 1/8/2014 1:29:30 PM Report

Three cars I had when I was younger,
1961 Austin Healy MK 111,
1956 T Bird with the port hole windows,
the last best one, 1969 Chevelle SS super sport with a 396 cu, in.
The Austin would almost burn your foot off,the T-bird was crap,but the 396 really had balls.Had a lot of fun with that car.Wish I still owned them all.
Grump 1/8/2014 2:13:24 PM Report

I had a Buick Wildcat in 67 with a 440 under the hood. It had the mush-o-matic tranny. Lots of hot cars could get the jump from a dead stop but once the 440 started to wind out nothing stock touched the top end. I had a Healy in early 60's and can't understand why anyone would still want one then or now.
Grump 1/8/2014 2:13:26 PM Report

I had a Buick Wildcat in 67 with a 440 under the hood. It had the mush-o-matic tranny. Lots of hot cars could get the jump from a dead stop but once the 440 started to wind out nothing stock touched the top end. I had a Healy in early 60's and can't understand why anyone would still want one then or now.
Grump 1/8/2014 2:20:45 PM Report

Learning the entire EI staff either transferred or lost their jobs. That would be about 50 full time good paying jobs gone under Harper's watch. Both Provincial and Federal govt's have been trying to decentralize jobs for ages, because it is cheaper to get them out of Toronto or Ottawa but not you hero Harper. There are your facts so either give a reasonable reason for this or learn to keep you mouth shut about matters that you know squat about.
learningaswego 1/8/2014 2:27:50 PM Report

Your so-called, self-professed "facts" are BS, there Grumplestiltskin, according to my contacts who worked at the UI office.
Just Curious 1/8/2014 2:34:40 PM Report

Steelworker, back in the days when I started out(late 50s)you could pay25 bucks into the "unsatisfied judgement fund" if you couldn't afford insurance. You could then drive your vehicle but if you had an accident they took your licence and you never drove again until you paid off whatever the accident damages were. If you killed someone, you just went and jumped off a bridge. A friend of mine spent 30-odd years paying off one of those. He got his licence back, got insurance then got drunk to celebrate. He had an accident while drunk and lost his licence again so he never drove after that, said it looked like he was not supposed to drive at all..:)
steelworker 1/8/2014 3:16:33 PM Report

Protector: a "we and them" mentality has developed over the last 50 years or so. Forty or fifty years ago you got off the boat and went to work to support your family and asked for nothing. Nowadays a percentage of immigrants fall off an airplane and immediately start crying for welfare and benefits all the while crapping on Canadian society (case in point- the verminous Khadr clan). They have little or no job skills and breed like rats (more kids=bigger welfare benefits).
Grump 1/8/2014 3:16:42 PM Report

Learning exactly what I expected from a neo-con twit like you. Produce one working body here from EI and you can be the man. Just passing off your usual brand of denial and B.S. isn't going to cut it this time. Put up a**h*** or shut the F up.
Grump 1/8/2014 3:25:11 PM Report

Learning your contact at EI was likely your case worker who didn't want you to go into withdrawal at the thought of her leaving. A friend of my daughter's decided not to relocate to Windsor and finish her years to retirement. I guess Harper had a real MP in Windsor. Proof now learning, no more of your B.S.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 3:26:07 PM Report


In what way is the 1 local UI office at 22 Bay street an 'office' ? If you have a question regarding UI, you pick up a telephone and talk to a Toronto call centre.

...and the two locations to help people find jobs are not federal government offices. Y.E.S. and Sault Community Career Centre.

I have no idea exactly how many lost jobs at 22 Bay, but I loaded a large moving truck with cubicles, 2 photocopiers and an entire filing system.

Again, I don't care who was in power when the hatchet came down, but don't pretend there weren't jobs lost to another location.

Jimssm 1/8/2014 3:39:29 PM Report


How exactly does a new immigrant 'fall off the plane' and get welfare ??

If you sponsor an immigrant or another family member, you are responsible for them financially for 3 to 10 years.
steelworker 1/8/2014 3:46:40 PM Report

Who the hell would sponsor someone like the Khadrs?
CCR 1/8/2014 3:56:54 PM Report

The job losses at the Armoury and the recruiting centre are indeed regrettable. Overall, we are told that they are part of an overall downsizing ("reduction in full time positions")that has been undertaken in response to a significantly reduced operational tempo now that the Afghanistan mission is winding down and not too much else seems to be on the radar. This has been brought up at the Senate Committee on Defence hearings in Ottawa, but remains a regrettable action. In fact it appears that DND did not get the memo when the PM told the new CDS that he wanted "more teeth and less tail". DND has instead circled the wagons to protect headquarters jobs and contracting activity at the expense of recruiting and the Reserves.
Grump 1/8/2014 4:11:29 PM Report

CCR Just what in the hell does this have to do with EI jobs being transferred to other Ontario communities? It appears to me that Hayes isn't even revenue nuetral if we lose jobs to other centres.
Wicket 1/8/2014 4:17:26 PM Report

Clouds have replaced the blue sky and sunshine and the wind is picking up. Perhaps we are now in for the forecasted snowfall of last night that seemed to have been stalled at Batchewana, not even making it to Goulais. :(
Jimssm 1/8/2014 4:19:58 PM Report


You should read your own post... you weren't talking about just the Khadr family.

Please explain how immigrants "get off the plane and claim welfare" and "breed like rats because more children equals more benefits" when you as a sponsor are financially responsible for them for 3 to 10 years.

It's a simple question for you to answer. Just do it.
Grump 1/8/2014 4:24:05 PM Report

By the way CCR Harper increased the DND staff by 40 % going into a recession. Just another fine examples that shows Harper's want list comes first, the taxpayer's money comes last. This is one of the main reasons we have had eight years of deficit budgets. Now with an election coming he has trimmed everything he can from the taxpayers to produce his first budget surplus in nine years.
Grump 1/8/2014 4:25:50 PM Report

Good Lord that was a niner.
BIG BROTHER 1/8/2014 4:33:29 PM Report

Sounds like ASC lunchroom talk. Been there and heard such tales daily, from the 'lunchroom lawyers'. All the answers to all the world's problems in one sentence or less. Steely is likely just one of them. His rationale fits. Good for a laugh, but these guys are actually quite serious and they get to vote.
steelworker 1/8/2014 4:36:14 PM Report

We get to breed also.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 4:38:34 PM Report

Inbreed may be more likely.
Grump 1/8/2014 4:46:43 PM Report

Jimssm , well said. LMAO.
steelworker 1/8/2014 5:12:16 PM Report

Tell your sister I said hi.
Oldie Goldie 1/8/2014 5:27:24 PM Report

Harper and Company may get a yearly Budget Surplus but there will still be Billions of debt that won't be paid off.

Harper is using the same tactics to balance the Yearly Budget as Chretien and Paul Martin did---sell off as many assets as they can---but Chretien stole from the Employment Insurance Fund as well to do it.

Perhaps we should keep an eye on our O.A.S. Assets.

What do Canadians have left that can be called Canadian Assets owned by the Taxpayers after Flaherty and Harper sell most of what we have left ?

The next Government will never be able to balance any future Budgets because there will be nothing left to sell !
steelworker 1/8/2014 5:31:59 PM Report

The way things are going with past,present and future governments you might as well bury your money in the backyard. Just two weeks ago a Wall Street analyst was warning people to not trust financial institutions and invest in weapons and bullets.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 5:32:43 PM Report

Sorry Steely, I haven't seen my sister much since his sex-change operation but if I do I'll say you were asking about him.
Grump 1/8/2014 5:53:27 PM Report

Oldie too late as Harper has already dipped into the employment fund. Nice eh?
Grump 1/8/2014 5:53:28 PM Report

Oldie too late as Harper has already dipped into the employment fund. Nice eh?
Bobby Nerves 1/8/2014 6:00:03 PM Report

What's the difference between a baby and steelworker?

The baby will stop whining at one time.

flyhawk25 1/8/2014 6:15:29 PM Report

I'd add a comment but it would be piling on.
These poor guys not only don't have any rational arguments they display a singular lack of humor.
Good grief - even kids know 'knock knock' jokes.
Apparently in the swamp not only reasoning is limited but there is also a lack of self croaking.
steelworker 1/8/2014 6:21:52 PM Report

I must be a liberal as I never stop whining. Bobby sprinkle a little curry powder in your vaseline,it might clear your mind.
Grump 1/8/2014 6:30:30 PM Report

Marc Has she been convicted? If not you could get your butt in a sling if not.
steelworker 1/8/2014 6:35:46 PM Report

Some people on here would do the world a favour if they "self croaked".
Grump 1/8/2014 6:40:24 PM Report

Bobby just sent me a video of a baby rolling around with laughter. Someone told him that Harper was the best Prime Minister ever. Even little tots know that's B.S. when they hear it. LMAO
right wing 1/8/2014 6:41:08 PM Report

It would be piling on the mountain of bullshit spewed out each and every day by the libs on this site.
Like wow....and the funniest part...they believe in it.
MarcHandthefunkybunch 1/8/2014 6:41:11 PM Report

Yes, she's plea bargaining right now
shakespeare 1/8/2014 6:44:36 PM Report

Just checked in to see another day's rout: out-reasoned, out-fact-ed, out witted, out-everythinged.
Yesterday two were sent to the bloggers' little league and today two more. Let steely's last post bear testament to the insightful contributions that he offers here:

Some people on here would do the world a favour if they "self croaked".

Great stuff, steely! rw and wisen are expecting you and learning to bring marshmallows to roast on the tire fire.
Spellchecker 1/8/2014 7:02:58 PM Report

Shakes, check out my offering of 10:40 AM.
cathyh 1/8/2014 7:09:50 PM Report

Just as I thought, not one positive idea from the resident posters as to creating employment in the Sault. Just more of the same nonsense, change-room banter. Too bad so much time is wasted in coming up with smart ass retorts and childish garble. It's been 8 hours since my last post and not one positive idea.
Spellchecker 1/8/2014 7:12:08 PM Report

Have mercy, cathy. We don't have any. We're just putting in time, getting the winter over with, so to speak.
Spellchecker 1/8/2014 7:21:55 PM Report

I have an idea. I'll provide employment for myself by planting a plethora of tomato seeds. That will also provide employment for my sweetheart of 50 years in the fall when we are overloaded with tomatoes.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 7:24:21 PM Report

Cathy... I'm with Spelly....

There are no original ideas left.

If Sault Ste. Marie has nothing to offer an employer that is unique to us then the only other option is to artificially prop us up via government relocations or grants to businesses. Many would say that is a thing of the past and not desirable in the long run.

We are a one horse town getting very close to the edge.

I'm not meaning to be negative, but it is what it is.
statusquo 1/8/2014 7:36:17 PM Report


Creating jobs in the sault is out of our hands. There is no magical solution.
We are just going to have to wait for our dollar to get to it's "natural" level vis a vis the U.S dollar....i.e 60cents.
Then maybe cross border shopping would fizzle out .
The amount of money leaking out of the Sault due to cross border shopping is staggering! And then we complain about our kids having to leave town to find a job.

It would upset some folks that are fond of rotisserie chicken from Walmart across the ditch but it would keep some dollars in the local economy, enabling local businesses to invest and hire, strengthening the tax base and keeping our younger folks closer to home. That would be a start.

We should not complain about reduced services, potholes, limited employment opportunities for our young etc. while shopping regularly across the river and bitch about our elected officials, whatever party they belong to .
We, collectively have made the bed we have to sleep in.

Spellchecker 1/8/2014 7:42:40 PM Report

I guess that's a variant of "You burned your ass, you sit on the blisters".
right wing 1/8/2014 7:43:18 PM Report


You forgot what your analogy is...out-of-your-mind.
shakespeare 1/8/2014 7:44:11 PM Report

I'm with you on the tomato seed thing, spelly. Every year I get older, I embrace the growing of fruit and vegetable more ardently.
As for the Putin thing, I was surprised at the venom of the responses to our German friend. I believe that he is right. I am not fully versed with the Russian economy, but I do believe that Putin is exploiting a void in not only leadership, but also focus. The EU doesn't know where to look. Does it focus on Greece, Spain, Portugal in economics, does it look to the increasing eastern European crime invasion, does it look at the burgeoning African refugee relocation??? Russia, for all its issues, is largely free of having to be "social".
flyhawk25 1/8/2014 7:58:27 PM Report

I spent a career with young people who have now moved elsewhere.
Some - like the current owner of CTC - return and may make a difference.
I think we'd do well to follow this young man's lead as he puts his money and experience into trying to grow our city.
shakespeare 1/8/2014 8:05:37 PM Report

except, of course, in "Putin on the Ritz" for the Olympics.
Just think, my grandkids can say that their uncle, aunt and grandmother were all Canadian Olympians... not from my side of the family! However, they will learn how to catch a baseball without wearing a silly glove!
statusquo 1/8/2014 8:19:49 PM Report

As for job creation...If I was to be elected as "supreme leader"...first on the agenda.....
The Norgoma.
Since this grotesque eyesore isn't going to be scrapped any time soon I would refurbish her with the finest velour and candelabras (with some funding from the EDC) and convert her into a floating cathouse (bordello). We would be known as the "Amsterdam" of the North.
The ice cream parlour at the Bondar pavilion would sell condoms and various ointments to be purchased with the ticket to have the "tour" .
Two revenue streams with one stroke.
Then I would allow the "Grotto" of the Virgin Mary to be built at Bellevue Park alongside a Mosque and a Synagogue and allow local vendors at the park to sell delicious pork products and other "exotic foods" and promote the venue as "Diversity Land".
"Potter" the choo-choo train would be replaced with a miniature 747 that the Muslim Kids could have a try at piloting.
The Christian kids would have fun burning "Bon Soo" at the stake and the Jewish kids could have fun nailing stuff and well....waiting.....and waiting.....
"Bon Soo" would be converted to "Winter Pride"...a celebration of diverse lifestyles ...a family event if you will.
The tourist dollars would really flow into the (truly)"friendliest City in Algoma".

(to be digested with a healthy dose of sarcasm)
shakespeare 1/8/2014 8:24:27 PM Report

How many "cities" are there in Algoma?
Most populated regions of the world would see the Sault as a town.
Bobby Nerves 1/8/2014 8:25:09 PM Report

The only way I'd like Putin is on the Frog Fries.

statusquo 1/8/2014 8:31:17 PM Report


In the vast emptiness the Sault is a "metropolis".

It is diverse, it has not one but two Walmarts, two pizza joints per capita and one proctologist.
An "international" bridge and the world's most delicious rotissery chicken!!

(well, across the river that is...but just the same...)
steelworker 1/8/2014 8:41:34 PM Report

You would think that with all the ...holes just on this site we would have more than one proctologist.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 8:47:32 PM Report


"Two revenue streams with one stroke"

I would hope it involves more than one stroke or it may not be worth the price.
statusquo 1/8/2014 8:53:28 PM Report


You are a depraved individual.

May I suggest opening your heart to Jesus?

God bless your soul!

Hey...while I am at it...the ointments...what flavours should we stock?
joewho999 1/8/2014 9:01:34 PM Report

Spellchecker Also plant summer cabbage called Danish bald head,they have a silver leaf on top when full grown.They are sweet and tender,we grew acres of them.When they split they were very tasty.You will have to order them now at Shaw milling Bruce St.
sparks7 1/8/2014 9:10:43 PM Report

Build really big catapults and charge people to take shots across a field at portraits of their "favorite" politicians.For ammo you could use horseshit,rotten veggies, or maybe even recycle buckets of used condoms from SQ's bordello.
Jimssm 1/8/2014 9:22:55 PM Report

I'm good with any ointments...

...stay away from the cheese flavours though.
Mark Brown 1/9/2014 1:47:35 AM Report

Dear cathyh,

Living in Sault Ste. Marie is a choice.

Those who choose to live here in the Sault will have great lives filled with family, work and fun, AND the time to enjoy all three no matter how much money they make. And those who choose NOT to live in the Sault simply think that they can build better lives somewhere else.

Personally, I think the people who choose to permanently leave the Sault are wrong... the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence as they say.

As times get tougher in our world of decreasing employment and increasing expenses you will see more of our young people choosing to stay in Sault Ste. Marie. I saw it last year at the high school graduation ceremony... there were only a handful of students who chose to go away to study. But there are also an increasing number of young Saultites who go away and work in oil fields for six months and then spend the rest of the year back here in the Sault. Riding the rails to get to the work in Canada just seems to be a part of the modern method of existing here in Canada.

In the end there are no magic employment bullets for the Sault. Living in Sault Ste. Marie has been, and always will be, a choice.

But there are still some things that can be done to make that choice a little easier for our young to make... the VRoomers who said that they reap what they sow to employ themselves (above) are definitely on the right track.

Sincerely and Respectfully,
Mark Brown
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