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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Jan. 7 2014

Tuesday, January 07, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Big Bad Bob 1/7/2014 2:11:44 AM Report

Good morning everyone,
We all have our hobby horses, I suppose. In keeping with one of mine, I would like to mention an article I enjoyed reading in the French press (in only one newspaper, that is, given the World�s pervading atmosphere of political correctness whereby calling a spade a spade is tantamount to blasphemy.)
The Saudi Arabian government and wealthy private donors from that country wanted to finance the building of mosques in Norway to the tune of tens of millions of Euros. In accordance with Norwegian Law, it is permissible for foreign countries to support religious communities financially, but when very large amounts are involved, the Government must give its approval. Well, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs not only refused to approve such financing, it also replied to an Islamic Centre in Norway that it would be �Paradoxical and contrary to nature to accept such a donation coming from a country that does not accept religious freedom.�
The Norwegian Foreign Affairs Minister declared to the Norwegian Newspaper VG:
�We could have simply said no, the Ministry does not approve. But we took advantage of the occasion to add that approval would be paradoxical as long as any wish to establish a Christian community in Saudi Arabia would be considered a crime in that country.�

As indicated in Shakespeare�s play Hamlet, this is called hoisting somebody on his own petard. A cynic might say that the Saudis chose the wrong little country to try to buy off, because Norway has substantial North Sea oil resources of its own. To Hell with political correctness then and long live the Viking spirit!

David Poluck 1/7/2014 6:11:21 AM Report

Bob, I can top that! Look at what is happening in Oklahoma...
Group Unveils Satan Statue Design for Oklahoma if this is going to happen without a major fight!
steelworker 1/7/2014 6:26:47 AM Report

BBB: let them build a multi-million dollar mosque. Three weeks after the dedication build a bacon factory next door.
soowat 1/7/2014 6:40:33 AM Report

They should go ahead and build it in Canada. If it involves having foreign ownership of anything Harper has the for sale sign available
David Poluck 1/7/2014 6:58:15 AM Report

soo would the NDP or Liberals handle it any different?
Just wondering!
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 7:11:03 AM Report

While I applaud the Norwegian decision and response, I'm also grateful of being part of a part of humanity where I can say a prayer and carry a religious symbol without fear of being punished for it and I say it in a reasonable way and without offending others people beliefs or superstitions.

This for now, therefore, enjoy it while it last.

Lately, Mr. Ovander Holyfield found himself in hot water for his religious opinions, but the press, as usual manipulating the information, reported that Mr. Holyfield found himself in hot water for his view on homosexuality and lesbianism.

Talking politically correctness.
bounder 1/7/2014 7:22:39 AM Report

Montreal police officer is going to be reprimanded for his appalling behavior , the catch is no one is going to know how, what a sh#t storm that's going to create.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 7:35:26 AM Report


That's an old story... (2009-2010 ?)

Norway has an ethnic purity thread that runs through them so this didn't surprise me.

You need only listen to Anders Breivik's manifesto regarding his slaughter of 77 young people in Oslo and Utoya island last year to understand. For murdering 77 people in his Islamophobic rage, he received a grand total of 21 YEARS in prison.

Jimssm 1/7/2014 7:42:22 AM Report

Phil, tell me it ain't so !!!!!
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 7:52:51 AM Report

Gee, only 21 years.

Would I've been the Norwegian King, I'll give him his own island, a ship and an army of twelve.

Jimssm 1/7/2014 7:57:51 AM Report


He killed CHILDREN.
statusquo 1/7/2014 7:58:27 AM Report


"pervading atmosphere of political correctness whereby calling a spade a spade is tantamount to blasphemy."

Not so fast there cowboy. (not that you are Jim said, the article is three years old....) It depends what spade you call a spade. While I agree with the Norwegian stand , political correctness has it's legitimate place! "Dumb talk" should be confronted and questioned.
As far as "blasphemy" goes, well, it's as redundant as the definition of it.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 8:16:11 AM Report

So if the beards, camo clothing and redneck lifestyle are all fake, were Phil's recent troubles just a carefully orchestrated PR stunt ???
Grump 1/7/2014 8:25:20 AM Report

Jimssm I found it hard to swallow at the time that A & E would drop a major cash cow without having a way back. They got a huge free PR donation and stirred up a lot of interest. ie. folks tuning in for their first time
Grump 1/7/2014 8:25:24 AM Report

Jimssm I found it hard to swallow at the time that A & E would drop a major cash cow without having a way back. They got a huge free PR donation and stirred up a lot of interest. ie. folks tuning in for their first time
Wild Turkey 1/7/2014 8:27:37 AM Report

right wing 1/7/2014 8:32:24 AM Report


Just cluing into the "realities" of Reality T.V. ?
Grump 1/7/2014 8:40:07 AM Report

Good morning everyone. Is it just me or do the neo-cons seems to be getting testier these days with Steve's fortunes falling in the dumpster. Mallet obviously Chretien (Canadian Government) got screwed on those subs but everything is relative. Harper paid more for the design of his new ship than those four subs cost so who is the worst Prime Minister? Be careful Mallet you are starting to appear associated with brain trusts like Wisen, Steelworker and Learning and I know you are far brighter than that. Have a great day all.
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 9:06:15 AM Report

I was outside cleaning the snow from our parking lot and it must be the windiest of the whole Soo, or among the 5 most. It's cold, cold as usual, but the wind is making it a bit more uncomfortable. As I sat comfortable and worm inside now, my thoughts for all those bearing this weather outdoors to make our life safer and comfortable.
Be safe and take it easy.
Big Bad Bob 1/7/2014 9:09:30 AM Report

Whether the Saudi Arabia / Norway story is new or old, I read it in the French press only two days ago. My opinion nevertheless remains the same. In my view there are similarities amongst Political Correctness, Nazism and Communism; i.e. a bunch of intolerant sexual intellectuals ( know-it-alls) who believe that they alone possess all the answers to everything and that nobody else is entitled to any opinion but theirs on any subject.
right wing 1/7/2014 9:11:11 AM Report

The junk subs cost 750 million dollars and then had billions of dollars put into them and they are still junk.
Now what were you babbling about...the cost of plans....right, how stupid to actually have plans....
This from the daily babbler on Harper.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 9:15:17 AM Report

The point was made yesterday that the local Tories picked Hayes as a replacement for our late mayor. I agree.
Lost in that are two points.
The first is that the other parties picked candidates who were weak and almost just mailed in a Conservative victory.The second is that John Rowswell had all the requisite traits of a good MP - experience, a passion for this area and a track record on a larger stage.
I still might not have voted for him because of Harper but ask yourself this - how much better would Mayor John have done than Hayes?
We got a third stringer and are paying the price.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 9:16:48 AM Report

According to Mort Zuckerman the "best politician of 2013". Ta Da .. "Stephen Harper, Canadian P.M." for keeping Canada'a economy strong, even as their biggest trading partner continues to flounder. Cites the E.U. trade deal as one of his biggest accomplishments.
Grump ... take a few deep breaths. Then call 911.

Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 9:25:43 AM Report

John Rowswell was vilified by lefties on council, and on here, for his views and his attempts to reach out to the rest of the world for business opportunities. He was told to stay home and mind the store, and stop those high highfalutin ideas.
right wing 1/7/2014 9:26:14 AM Report


What is this price that we are paying?
What exactly is it that the Sault is missing out on at the Federal level?
Are other cities of like size getting some special treatment that we are not?
Given the economic times is the Sault not getting it's fair share of Federal dollars?

Jimssm 1/7/2014 9:31:40 AM Report


E.U. trade deal is Harper's greatest accomplishment ???

.....Get back to me when it is signed.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 9:35:05 AM Report


....and Zuckerman endorsed Obama, before he endorsed Romney.
right wing 1/7/2014 9:41:43 AM Report


Just getting back to you....

Harper signed the tentative deal in Brussels on Oct. 18 alongside European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso. The agreement still needs to be fine-tuned and full ratification most likely won't happen for another two years.

Signed is signed....
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 9:42:51 AM Report

I see the Harper apologists are lining up. Peachy.
To respond to the 'lefty' generalization about Rowswell - I thought he was a bumbling goof when he was first elected. But over the years I thought he grew and matured and did some very good things.
As for cities of similar size blah, blah.
It is not my job nor my wont to compare cities of our size, demographics and elected members to compare to us.
That is a narrow reference that ignores political realities.Not that I'd expect the nit picking neo-cons to understand that.
Everything north and west of Barrie in Ontario must be considered as one large pot of electors who are currently languishing under both the feds and the province.Simply stated we just aren't worth the effort or expense to court.
I believed John Rowswell could develop a coalition of those areas with his bigger vision.
As a stand-alone area we will never get in on the gravy train.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 9:49:33 AM Report


If you're talking about the Mclaughlin Group... Mort gave Harper an 'honourable mention', not Politician of the Year.

He gave Politician of the year to Hillary Clinton.

"MR. ZUCKERMAN: Hillary Clinton, who kept herself out of the dispute of "Obamacare," and therefore preserved all that she needs for the next presidential campaign."

Nice try though.
right wing 1/7/2014 9:52:47 AM Report


You should have been a politician for you have the gift of how to give a speech without saying anything.
right wing 1/7/2014 9:56:07 AM Report

Although "unscientific" I really love how the poll on SooToday is playing out.
Reflections of things to come in 2015...
Harper may not be as "well liked" as a shiny new pony but the average folks are not going to hand the reins over to a newbie any time soon.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 10:03:19 AM Report

Jimssm .. Actually "Capitalist of 2013".
And we are all better off for it.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 10:10:48 AM Report

An opinion.
It is based on a wish list to avoid the inevitable desire by Canadians to restore balance and integrity to our country.
I have no idea if either opposition party's leader can succeed but my opinion is that the 'average Canadian' is fed up with government that they see as out of touch with all but special interest groups.
If it takes 'a newby' just remember - you elected one here federally. I think that turned out badly but neither Trudeau nor Mulcair is as limited as Hayes.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 10:15:39 AM Report

Glad Rowswell finally reached your lofty expectations Fly.
Pontification is an onerous obligation.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 10:16:15 AM Report


Mort's Capitalist of the Year went to George Mitchell. Here is the transcript.

"MR. ZUCKERMAN: George Mitchell, the fracking pioneer from Texas who died this year at the age of 94. He is credited with pioneering the economic extraction of shale gas through the process of fracking, which has done as much to change the entire world as any other businessman I know. "

I know you are trying hard, but it's not working.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 10:19:06 AM Report


Before you try to get a third foot into your mouth, here is the official transcript of The Mclaughlin Group...
right wing 1/7/2014 10:21:02 AM Report


"I thought he was a bumbling goof when he was first elected"

The above statement is very telling is it not...
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 10:22:16 AM Report

Fly .. I detect a slight hedge in your comment. 2 years is a long time. The senate morass will be a burning issue only in the tortured minds of a few orcs on here.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 10:28:08 AM Report

Regarding CETA.. (the EU-Canada Free trade deal).....

Would you trust ANY politician, PC, Liberal, NDP, who tells you it's a good deal but doesn't let the public actually look at it ?

flyhawk25 1/7/2014 10:30:30 AM Report

I hope you kids feel empowered playing tag team on here.
When this next election is over you two can gather what's left of your pride, regroup behind silly sniping and name calling and nitpick through to the next election.
Based on your track record you'll be wrong again but that's fine.It beats group therapy in the swamp and realistically a group of two hardly constitutes any more than one voice short of an amphibian trio.
Who are you picking in the Super Bowl? I want to bet on the other team with my buddies.
How can someone so right be so wrong so often?
right wing 1/7/2014 10:37:13 AM Report


Where do you get that the CETA deal is being hidden or are you just a MSM parrot.
A 26 page technical summary report was released some time ago.
The full detailed report is to follow as the agreement is fine tuned.
This is an agreement still in it's infancy stages.

right wing 1/7/2014 10:43:03 AM Report

Speaking of bumbling goofs....
Here we go again, a sure sign when the fly is getting squashed...flyhawk starts tooting his track record of betting with me.
What was is again fly...oh ya, we've bet a whole two won twice with the same horse.
On U.S. politics.
I won once with the one that counted, Harper and the conservatives with a majority....of course he wouldn't bet on that one.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 10:48:16 AM Report


The CETA summary tabled by the government was written by the government.... the same one in their Actionplan site.

Where is the copy of the agreement SIGNED BY HARPER, according to Wisen ?

Future amendments aside, don't you think the Canadian people should be able to see the tentative agreement, not just the summary of feel-good notes written by the negotiators ??

Jimssm 1/7/2014 10:53:44 AM Report

We should not have to go to EU documents to be able to analyse how the CETA agreement will affect Canada.

The tariff analysis should be free for us to examine.

When ANY politician says 'trust me'....
right wing 1/7/2014 10:58:26 AM Report


Do you really believe that the average Canadian would read a full copy of the CETA agreement let alone a summary.
If you do then I guess tinker bell is alive and well in your world.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:00:45 AM Report

Here is the governments official CETA website....

.... enough said.....
Mr. Poster 1/7/2014 11:03:53 AM Report

It seems in every election it gets tougher and tougher to find quality candidates willing to put themselves out there. Perhaps they are really turned off by folks who look for things to be critical of. Not every candidate is a good fit but the people speak by voting. I can see why possible contenders are tuned off. they are expected to solve all local issues in the first term...brig jobs that are not available anywhere to SSm....give up their family life...give up a good job....spend days away from home...for what? Even that super pension is not enough to drag many into "the race".
right wing 1/7/2014 11:04:18 AM Report

This is the reason the term man driven global warming was changed to "Climate Change".
It definitely covers it all and I guess when a group is trying to desperately prop up a failed theory everything thrown into the mix works.
Perhaps they can explain the warming trend to the Russians.....

Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years, with temperatures plunging as low as -50 degrees Celsius. Dozens of people have already died, and almost 150 have been hospitalized.

�The country has not witnessed such a long cold spell since 1938, meteorologists said, with temperatures 10 to 15 degrees lower than the seasonal norm all over Russia.

Across the country, 45 people have died due to the cold, and 266 have been taken to hospitals. In total, 542 people were injured due to the freezing temperatures, RIA Novosti reported.

The Moscow region saw temperatures of -17 to -18 degrees Celsius on Wednesday, and the record cold temperatures are expected to linger for at least three more days. Thermometers in Siberia touched -50 degrees Celsius, which is also abnormal for December.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:06:53 AM Report


Unlike you, I don't think Canadians are stupid. Many won't bother reading it. Some will. The point is, it should be available for those that want, OR NEED, to know what the government has negotiated ON OUR BEHALF.

There are businessmen who's futures rest on details in this agreement.

But I guess if the government says it's ok......
right wing 1/7/2014 11:08:25 AM Report

How clever of you discovered an incomplete web page on the internet.
Yes enough said....(sarcasm on)

"rolling eyes"

realitycheck 1/7/2014 11:09:52 AM Report

"Lately, Mr. Ovander Holyfield found himself in hot water for his religious opinions, but the press, as usual manipulating the information, reported that Mr. Holyfield found himself in hot water for his view on homosexuality and lesbianism."

Bobby Nerves:
What do you mean, manipulating the information? Did you read it or did you just get it second hand? There was no manipulation; he made the comments about gays on camera and there were direct quotes in the stories that followed.

Also, in regard to your comment on the Norwegian killer, did you really mean what you said or are Jimssm and I misreading what you said? If you know what you said and mean what you said, you must be living in another world, one in which you would befriend Paul Bernardo.
right wing 1/7/2014 11:10:11 AM Report


You sure play a mean set of bongos....
Do you still wear your knitted poncho during these sessions?
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:20:50 AM Report


....Your typical deflective, insulting non-response....

That is the same non webpage that people have been directed to since September.

"For more information on this historic agreement, please visit the CETA website at"

They can't build a website, but trust them to negotiate CETA.

right wing 1/7/2014 11:24:56 AM Report

Whatever Jim....your dim view of what will become an economic future strong hold for Canada means diddly.

...on another note.

Africa is helping out with Global cooling....
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:28:16 AM Report


When Harper brought up global warming in a speech in New York last May... was he part of the envirowacko conspiracy ? Was he mistaken ? Lying ?

But trust him on CETA....
right wing 1/7/2014 11:30:28 AM Report

Yes, yes I do.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 11:34:32 AM Report

Watching the year end interview with Mitt Romney, I'm sure there is a lot of buyer's remorse, going on to the south of us.
A classy gentleman with business acumen and experience. Something the U.S. has sorely lacked over the past 5 years.
While the stock market has soared the job market has languished. A real president would have brought in the entities that have done well with the fed's policies, and encouraged them to get the show on the road. The punting of the Keystone XL pipeline is a classic example of what a rookie Obama is. He would rather have 26 year old males at home covered under Mommy and Daddies health plan, that getting their butts to N.Dakota and pick up a truck driving job for $90,000.00 to start. 3 more years of this and then Hillary. Rome comes to mind.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:35:29 AM Report

A person who would sign a contract without reading it is nothing more than a fool.

But as you would say.... whatever.

right wing 1/7/2014 11:39:39 AM Report

...oh I'm sure that Harper and Barroso read it.
theprotector 1/7/2014 11:56:57 AM Report

right wing yes other cities are in fact getting special federal treatment and we are not. Harper has moved over 100 federal jobs from the sault to other cities. Departments in Toronto are hiring new people daily and where is our MP? These are not cuts these are job relocations to a higher cost area, so why is the Sault being punished when we have a conservative MP? Why are they sucking the life out of the sault and everyone is letting them?
Wicket 1/7/2014 12:15:05 PM Report

So, have kinda formulated an answer to my own question about politics yesterday. Grump was the only one to respond to me, so where does that leave the rest of you on how you decide who to vote for.
Based on his performance and not even knowing what party he was or would have been affiliated with, my vote would have gone to John Roswell, he was no different from others in that he also had a big ego and far too often thought his way was the only way. BUT, the big difference, was that he was PASSIONATE about the city of Sault Ste. Marie and the constituents. Hands down, he cared more about us and the Soo, more than any other politician since John Rhodes, Russ Ramsay, Ron Irwn, etc.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 12:22:15 PM Report

rw or wisen...

Please explain this to us simpletons...try to use small words. Keep half your brain behind your backs so we can understand.

Why are Canadian taxpayers NOT ALLOWED to read any portion of the CETA agreement the PM Harper signed on our behalf ?

right wing 1/7/2014 12:31:46 PM Report


Show us how/where we are not allowed to read the completed (legally)final version of the CETA agreement.
learningaswego 1/7/2014 12:32:45 PM Report

Also, Mr Roswell had a very solid record of achievement, both in his business life, as well as in the political arena for the Sault.

IMHO, every person who runs for any political office, should have to post their resumes on a public site, for all the public to see, as part of running.

Just like they are applying for a job.

This way, the public can get to see, and consider it as part of their voting process if they wish, and distinguish between those that "talk", and those that actually "achieve". Politics, especially on the left, draws a lot of fancy "talkers", who have a pretty slim resume on actually "doing" or achieving.
People that vote left, don't seem to care, they'll fall for the "talkers" over achievers anyday, which is why the left-leaning parties attract more "talkers" than achievers.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 12:43:31 PM Report

Perspective is an interesting thing.
Obama has a legal healthcare plan with a flawed system of delivery. It is being fixed but slowly.
Americans can access information to their plans and try to make an informed choice.
Harper has a free trade deal that he has signed but is still two years from ratification.I don't remember him asking for our pre-approval or a yes vote from parliament.Nor do I remember it being debated in Ottawa.
But - Obama is bad and Harper is good?
I suppose it depends on your perspective.
From my perspective it appears our leader has one foot in the dictator bucket.
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 12:54:58 PM Report

realityc, E. Holifield was in hot water for his views about pederasts and lesbians.
The press avoided the fact that Mr. Holifield is a profound devoted religious person and as such he follows the doctrine.

Then Mr. Holyfield is not entitled to a religious opinion.

I'd listen to the whole incident.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 12:56:09 PM Report


Since you seem to know what I don't...

Link me to ANY version of CETA, interim, final, draft... etc. Not the government's Actionplan summary.

Forgive me, I'm just stupid that way, I like to see what myself and my children are buying.

If this was Chretian or Trudeau lite, you'd be flailing against it with all your appendages. It seems kind of hypocritical that you accept it sight unseen just because it is Harper.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 12:58:50 PM Report

My God! What a drubbing rw and wisen have received this morning. They're bumbling around like two punch drunk boxers. For one who criticises "low information" folks, wisen doesn't seem to know his ass from his elbow. Throw in the towel, guys!

On another topic, it's great to see that Brigitte Acton's hubbie, Mike Smith, made the Olympic hockey squad. He's a great guy and always gives 120%.He also made the 2014 Guinness Book of Records.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 1:01:05 PM Report does to me as well.
But if you are a Harper acolyte you might tend to do the same while singing 'Oh de Camptown racetrack... doo dah...'.
David Poluck 1/7/2014 1:15:18 PM Report

During the last municipal election the SSMAR held candidate interviews televised on local2.
We asked standard interview questions that gave better data than the candidate debates.
Most likely we will be repeating the exercise.
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 1:17:56 PM Report

Can you elaborate, based in your principles, why Colleen LaRose was only sentenced to ten years in jail.

She made a name for herself in the internet, Jihad Jane.

And she did apologize, but it's not clear if it was because she intended to kill the swedish cartoonist or because she failed to achieve the plan.

Fanaticism and extremism is found everywhere with a difference, in the West, or Occident or the Christian World, we set the rules and deal with it.

Not the same can be said about other corners of the world.

Anders Behring Breivik case was a tragedy, one of those cases that falls throw the cracks of society as we know it, but I still give him a boat and an army of twelve and let him free.

When and were could make a difference.
mallet 1/7/2014 1:18:24 PM Report

JIMSSM and Flyhawk..

Regarding CETA. Like you I do not trust anyone when it comes to trade treaties. Yes I know they are supposed to benefit all but seldom if ever do much for the people of the country. Making it easier for trade items to go in and out of a country yes, but not the jobs that produce them. I would like to see the draft CETA agreement, written in language that anyone can understand rather than the legalese so preferred by governments and companies. Just as the NAFTA agreement, who, other than a lawyer could understand what that was all about, free trade, does not make for free at the border when you pay taxes on it in the country of origin and then have the taxes of this country added on...Like I have said in the past, Free for WHOM..
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 1:18:49 PM Report informed electorate is always a good thing.
It even helps to salve the wounds of a candidate you supported in a losing cause.
Unless of course you are an acolyte and the only guy who is right.
learningaswego 1/7/2014 1:53:34 PM Report

great idea, David Poluck, I'll watch for that.
However, wouldn't (thousands) more local viewers see it, if it were on cable 10.
Personally, I know next to nobody who views videos on that website, but everybody watches cable 10.
Wild Turkey 1/7/2014 2:02:50 PM Report

How cold was it????The polar Bear at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago was not allowed outside yesterday because it was TOO COLD!!!!
On a local note ---The winner of Canadian Geographic Magazine's Photo contest in the bridge category----------The Bridge over Garden River at Garden River Reserve.
Honorable mention in the Outdoor Activities Category was Swimming at Trout Lake.
We are truly "Naturally Gifted"
Jimssm 1/7/2014 2:10:34 PM Report

Regarding CETA...

I am concerned with Canada adopting EU patent laws regarding drugs.

Adding a few years to the period before generic drugs can be manufactured is going to add substantially to the cost of prescription drugs.

Yes, it is good for big pharma, but not for consumers. Wisen will be buying pharma stocks..... to hell with the little guy.
mallet 1/7/2014 2:26:26 PM Report


Personally I am alarmed at anything to do with E U rules and regulations. You better be very clear on what you are signing onto with them, otherwise all your laws and society can be regulated from Brussels.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 2:34:54 PM Report

I think free trade is a good thing...

EXCEPT... when it infringes on the decisions your sovereign country can make regarding it's own destiny.

Mr Harper seems to be getting a reputation for selling out our country... and that reputation is coming from somewhere.
Grump 1/7/2014 2:37:55 PM Report

Well, well, well you neo-cons are something else, now discovering John Rowswell. I'm considered the lefty but I ponied up a sizeable cheque for John's first campaign, worked with him bringing in new business to town and served on a board with him. Yes he was tough minded but it was for the good of Sault Ste Marie. John was taken too early but had he survived I can see him loosing stomach with Harper and walking across the house in fairly short order. John was a Conservative but he sure as hell wasn't a rose coloured glasses neo-con who would buy into Harper signing a deal, saying trust me when he is the only one who knows what's in it or what isn't. That said isn't Harper the same hero who promised open government when he was running the Liberals down.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 3:00:19 PM Report

I'm still not convinced Harper has the backbone to stick in for one more election.I hope I'm wrong and he gets his butt handed to him.
But if not him some other Campbell or Eves or a replacement.
His 'best before' date has expired.
A guy like Mulcair will barbecue him in a live debate.
right wing 1/7/2014 3:01:34 PM Report

Doesn't this sound familiar...all the "disaster" predictions that came with the last free trade agreement....once again much-a-do-about-nothing.

...and if was anybody but Harper that had done this deal it would be the best thing since sliced bread according to our bongo playing lefties.

...yes Harper should have consulted with all Canadians like Trudeau did and Chretien did....LMFAO.
right wing 1/7/2014 3:02:59 PM Report

"A guy like Mulcair will barbecue him in a live debate."

Now that's f^%king funny as hell.....!!!!

Thanks for my laugh of the day.
right wing 1/7/2014 3:09:19 PM Report

Hey Jimssm

Here is some reading for you.

Check out the fact and myth section.
I your world it will all be suspect due to Harper's involvement.

You are welcome.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 3:16:34 PM Report

rw...nice try

I already read that one (the SUMMARY) ... in October.

Where's the actual document ? All I see is a sales brochure from the government.

And by the way, we ALL had access to NAFTA before it was ratified.

Go back to Googling to try to find it... maybe call Bryan's office like I did... he still hasn't got back to me.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 3:18:05 PM Report

For all of you crowing about the fabulous Canadian economy compared to the USA....
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 3:22:19 PM Report

Easy guys.
All this piling on of right wing while he's laughing his backside off might result in him calling his pal Hayes for help.On their secret decoder rings...because he apparently does not chat off the cuff without a script.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 3:27:06 PM Report

Here's their email address....

So, you pro-CETA cheerleaders.... time to put up or shut up... email the CETA people and ask for a copy of the current draft as SIGNED by our PM. See how far you get.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 3:29:59 PM Report

Jimssm...stop it!
You're killing them with facts. And calling them on it.
Let them revel in their rants while they can.
On the other hand - don't stop. I'm laughing my ass off.
right wing 1/7/2014 3:39:17 PM Report

Exactly Jim....before it was ratified.
Thus far CETA is a signed preliminary copy and the details are several years from being finalized but like a true pinko lefty you will bitch about anything that has Harper's name on it...plain, simple and so transparent of you.
I know that when the final copy is ready you will get one and read it, right! a pigs eye.
Yes how stupid of Harper to open the doors of half the worlds economy to Canada.
Like I's a good thing the Conservatives have a majority and will retain one in 2015.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 3:43:10 PM Report


Guess which one is rw!
right wing 1/7/2014 3:43:57 PM Report

Yes stop killing us with facts.

Fact: Harper and conservatives have a majority.

Fact: Canada is doing great in the world economy.

Fact: Harper has started the wheels on the CETA agreement.

Fact: It will be a great economic boost to Canada.

Fact: The lefties can hate it all they want but can do squat about it.

Fact: All of the above is great!
right wing 1/7/2014 3:45:09 PM Report


Get back to us when you learn how to properly post a link.
Grump 1/7/2014 3:53:42 PM Report

Sheesh rw get a grip, you are starting to sound farther out than your little gathering of retards. How be I buy you a house and a car and fix it for you to have a new job? You can start making payments now and I will give you the details in several years. But trust me it will be a good deal. Sound familiar to your heroes deal.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 4:03:26 PM Report

"open the doors to half the world's economy to Canada"


I guess we don't trade with the EU now.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 4:09:01 PM Report

rw: what you do is "bold" it, copy it and then paste it in your browser. It works fine for me, "oh worthy adversary"
right wing 1/7/2014 4:09:40 PM Report


Thanks but I have a nice house and several vehicles.
It's called capitalist hard work.

Nice reference to "retards" you ass backwards redneck.
You have to be one of the most ignorant posters on here and yet we get to listen to the rest of your left leaning posse whine about name calling. that note you can all enjoy Grumps truly does belong at the dump.

Have a nice day all.
right wing 1/7/2014 4:11:07 PM Report

Good for you shakey cause the protocol ghttp isn't associated with any program.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 4:15:28 PM Report

But does it work, rw?
right wing 1/7/2014 4:17:16 PM Report

right wing 1/7/2014 4:19:14 PM Report

Here, all fixed.

You are welcome.
right wing 1/7/2014 4:23:26 PM Report

Can you guess which one is Grump....
shakespeare 1/7/2014 4:25:55 PM Report

I was surprised at the thing I copied, too, but it works fine for me every time.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 4:40:03 PM Report

It's interesting that these evaluations are based on portions of CETA leaked from some member nations of the EU, NOT from the Canadian government, who has stubbornly refused to release any portion of the document other than the Actionplan summary.
steelworker 1/7/2014 5:13:59 PM Report

Between Grump and Fly constantly laughing their asses off I'm afraid that there will be only two holes left to drizzle their inane comments.
Bobby Nerves 1/7/2014 5:26:05 PM Report

What's the difference in driving style between Grump and Steelworker?

Grump will fly through a stop sign.

Steelworker will seat there waiting for it to turn green!
Jimssm 1/7/2014 5:38:08 PM Report


Your browser link works fine for me too.

... some people's browsers are smarter than others, I guess.
Oldie Goldie 1/7/2014 5:46:48 PM Report

I believe that the European Union said that Canada could have got a better deal
had their Negotiators done a better job.

Wow ! That is tantamount to saying that the European Union got the best of the deal with Canada.
Talk about calling it like it is !

I believe that Harper was so anxious to do something spectacular that he signed a Tentative deal that was better for the E.U. than for Canada.

Wait and see what he gives to Quebec to compensate them for their losses in the Can.-E.U. Deal.
BIG BROTHER 1/7/2014 5:56:45 PM Report

I agree with you on that. Harper was up to his neck in a scandal and was desperate to appear as if it was 'business as usual'. He was not well equipped to be signing major deals with other countries, as he didn't have the trust of Parliament or the People, at the time of negotiating.

I recall hearing the same statement from the Leader of the EU.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 7:23:36 PM Report

Shhh...hear that?
Neither do I.
Now it's time for the thinkers to respond to all the silly comments to the swamp denizens.
Come out, come out wherever you are.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 7:29:38 PM Report

TSX up 100 today .. not too late to get into our oils and pipelines. Bank dividends starting to roll in. Fly, Jissm, turn those frowns upside down.
What a wonderful country we live in!
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 7:37:56 PM Report

Thanks but my pension fund pays real professionals a lot of money to keep me comfortable.
Educated professionals. Not wannabees.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 7:46:18 PM Report

Wisen: I think Alexander Pope had a quotation that could be directed at you:

"A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain ... "
steelworker 1/7/2014 7:47:22 PM Report

Or like some of your former students might say "edumacated".
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 7:47:53 PM Report

Whoa Mona.
Don't confuse him with erudition.
Grump 1/7/2014 8:03:48 PM Report

rw when you and the posse get real and cut out your B.S., your uneducated posts and your miss-interpreted posts from google then I won't have to call anyone names at all. You have played this game for quite awhile being the resident know it all and most of us couldn't be bothered correcting you. Those days appear to be over as there are more on here to all take a shot at correcting you. I suspect you have pushed this crap about as far as you will get away with. By the way there is more to life than having a nice home and a few vehicles. All your faithful homage to Harper will not again make him palatable to Canadian voters
Grump 1/7/2014 8:12:33 PM Report

By the way rw you were thumbing your nose at the results of the poll on Justin. Justin is carrying 46.6 % of the vote leaving 53.4 % of the vote for Harper and the Dippers. You are trying but too many are watching your bull now. Better stick to water before you lose all your credibility.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 8:23:44 PM Report


I'm glad your personal world and happiness is defined by how good the stock market does.

Mine isn't.
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 8:43:59 PM Report

Nor mine.
And therein is the fundamental difference between some of us and some of them.
shakespeare 1/7/2014 8:53:30 PM Report

Jimsssm: you've had a well-documented, well-argued and, may I say, inspiring day on here. Congrats!
shakespeare 1/7/2014 8:54:47 PM Report

the extra "s" is for super!
flyhawk25 1/7/2014 9:08:35 PM Report

Well I think we've dismissed the radical righties for the night.
Time to pack up,put our swords and slings to rest while our friends regroup and recharge on dried insects and sleep on their deluxe tax deductible lily pads.
lookaround 1/7/2014 9:24:06 PM Report

Harper has pissed off more people than elected him making his government the new minority,
Jimssm 1/7/2014 9:37:44 PM Report

thanks Shakes...

I should say I did it "with half my brain tied behind my back......"

....but I won't. I try to use it all.

steelworker 1/7/2014 9:42:10 PM Report

I guess having a nice home and a few vehicles pales in comparison to a nice fat pension.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 9:58:05 PM Report

Dear Spelly....

I posted a lot today. Please take pity on me when 'Words of the Week' time comes around.
statusquo 1/7/2014 10:02:54 PM Report

Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 7:29:38 PM Report

"TSX up 100 today .. not too late to get into our oils and pipelines. Bank dividends starting to roll in. Fly, Jissm, turn those frowns upside down.
What a wonderful country we live in!"

And yet you praise the very reasonable price of rotisserie chicken from Walmart across the ditch.

Interesting indeed.

I think I might start my own comedy routine...."you know you're an idiot when......."
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 10:54:59 PM Report

Wake up Fly ... Yes Mr. Leetch has done a wonderful job keeping your sorry butt in the green. You might want to have a look at his investments ... They may make a jaded old comrade like yourself blush.
Others have to use their wits to make a good retirement. You apparently rely on the O.T.P.P. and haven't a clue how it's done.
So it goes.
Wisenheimer 1/7/2014 11:15:08 PM Report

Stats. ... Glad to see you're paying attention.
Yes, I know a bargain when I see one. Gas was 3.44/gl yesterday.
"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he never goes hungry.
Or failing all this take your overly generous government pension and hope to hell the managers are way smarter than you are.
Jimssm 1/7/2014 11:55:43 PM Report


I'm glad you got voice again... kind of late for it though...I guess you wanted to be able to post without an audience.

Then again, it sometimes takes a while to clear your throat when you have had your foot in your mouth as often as you did earlier in the day today.

What was Mort's year end award to Harper again ??? You might as well finish with another 'fact'.

Anyways, it's time to turn in... feel free to have the last word.
Snobank 1/8/2014 1:31:19 AM Report

Amazing day to read in one gulp. Each side convinced of its own rightness and the absolute verbal trouncing it has dealt to the other.

Does anyone here really actually listen to what the other is trying to say?
right wing 1/8/2014 8:38:15 AM Report

....the lefties are too busy congratulating each other on their perceived victories and limited knowledge.
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