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View Room Comments for Saturday, Jan. 4 2014

Saturday, January 04, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Bobby Nerves 1/4/2014 7:12:10 AM Report

Good morning all and good weekend.

If you drink don't write.

Spellchecker 1/4/2014 7:38:22 AM Report

Good morning Bobby.

Just Curious, I see you lived for a time on Second Avenue. I lived there for the first 28 years of my life.
Grump 1/4/2014 8:01:02 AM Report

Good morning Bobby, Spelly and everyone. I grew up on the Second Line, across from Wildings at the creek just east of Goulais Ave. All fairly close. Bobby I see you unearthed a new world class story teller last evening. See I'm getting soft in my old age and don't just call him a BSer anymore. lol. Have a great day everyone.
David Poluck 1/4/2014 8:01:41 AM Report

Ted Cruz: Still Canadian as immigration lawyers express confusion

"Under U.S. law, a child born to an American parent gets automatic citizenship even if the birthplace is beyond U.S. borders. Canada, like the United States, also gives automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil".

Wonder where they get their information...??
My wife is a U.S citizen and my boys were told they are Canadian only.

Fly, You are from Chicago.. any insight?
Grump 1/4/2014 8:02:36 AM Report

Red Ranger e-mail me at and I'll fill you in.
Grump 1/4/2014 8:02:39 AM Report

Red Ranger e-mail me at and I'll fill you in.
flyhawk25 1/4/2014 8:40:04 AM Report

DP...good morning.
I'm not quite sure what the question is.I read the article as well and it is a fairly simple process to renounce your citizenship. Ask Conrad Black.
The process gets muddied often by mid level government 'experts' but the law is clear on citizenship.
My stepmother was an American and all of her kids were born here but had status as US citizens given hers.Even their kids could apply to be American citizens before age 21.
As could mine.
So a bunch of us have dual status. Mine by birth and naturalization and theirs by their mother's place of birth and their place of birth.
I could have a US passport as well as Canadian but choose not to.
As for Ted Cruz ... I think he's a nut.I just wish he'd clarify the issue to really screw up the GOP nomination process.I think the reason the Dems don't make his citizenship an issue is that they hope he runs.He'll get thumped.One less Tea Party iconoclast to deal with.
soowat 1/4/2014 8:49:32 AM Report

If only we could get Harpo and Dahaze to renounce their citizenship
David Poluck 1/4/2014 9:15:57 AM Report

Fly we were told that it wasn't so.
They are Canadian only. If you have Mr. Black's contact information I'd be glad to call him!
David Poluck 1/4/2014 9:17:05 AM Report

I'm talking about dual citizenship.
Prometheus 1/4/2014 10:05:40 AM Report

For DP

While an individual may be a citizen of a country by right of birth i.e. born on the territory of a nation or be a progeny of a citizen or citizens of the country in question, it is still necessary to report the birth to the child to the authorities of the country for which you are a citizen. Otherwise how are they to know you exist?

To do so you will also need proof of your claim to citizenship such as a parents birth certificates or passport and your own birth certificate or registration of birth. There is also a whole slew of documents needed. See

One should ensure they are aware of the ramifications of being a citizen of two or more countries. As some on this site are aware, many countries have military draft legislation requiring anything from just registration to actual service for a period of years.

Also, a country like the US has laws that require their citizens to report all income received on a worldwide basis, not just from US sources. The US and Canada are currently in negotiations to introduce more transparency into the system.

Also, by law US citizens are required to use US travel documents when entering the US. While this may not be rigidly enforced, it can be. A dual Can/USA citizen friend of mine was entering the US at Niagara last year and submitted his Canadian passport. Since he was the only one in the vehicle, the agent wanted to know why there was a US passport in the car. Apparent the sensors had picked up the emissions from the RFID chip in his US passport which he was carrying in his briefcase. After checking the US passport, the agent advised him that in the future he should use his US passport to enter the US and his Canadian passport to enter Canada and sent him on his way! I suspect his file is now flagged as dual citizen.
David Poluck 1/4/2014 10:09:44 AM Report

Thanks for the info!
flyhawk25 1/4/2014 10:16:02 AM Report

DP...again I'm not sure what 'wasn't so'.
If the question is dual citizenship - it is possible but not the norm.
I see no advantage to mine. Just for fun I dropped into a SSM MI post office to ask about getting a US passport.I was told that all I needed was proof of American birth which I have. Incidentally they also would take the picture and process everything if I wanted.
I was questioned by an overzealous kid at US Customs once - his supervisor by his side- and I explained to him that as it said on my passport I was born in the US and had a right to return to my homeland. He admitted he was 'just funning with me'.
I told him that I had forgotten more about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than he knew.His supervisor smiled and gave me two thumbs up.
Some kids...
Bobby Nerves 1/4/2014 10:28:24 AM Report

Google jus sanguinis and jus soli, also juris territorial.

You don't need this forum to contact Mr. Black, but if you are a Latin fluent, it will help, also some knowledge about International Public Law and Public International Law, which even when they are spelled almost equally, their meaning is far apart. One regulates the relations between countries and the other between "personae" of distinct territories. Personae, cz it could either be of real existence, as a human or an ideal existence as a corporation.

But google that and you'll enrich yourself for future arguments.

Many european countries, in the opposite of the USA and Canada -till now- recognize the jus sanguinis.

Regarding Mr. Cruz, he's a very proud latino and nothing will change it, would it be Crus instead, he could be of Portuguese background or even being a Sephardi speaking Ladino.

Sorry if I went a bit far.
Jimssm 1/4/2014 10:56:30 AM Report

I saw a good one on Facebook today......

Grammar... the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

old-cat33 1/4/2014 10:57:07 AM Report

Well another snow storm north of us and the highway is closed again!
We are getting as bad as Toronto for heaven sakes for closing down.
But at least we never had a "Frost Quake"! What in the hell would one of them things even sound,look like?
bounder 1/4/2014 12:58:25 PM Report

Wisenheimer 1/4/2014 1:10:05 PM Report

Way to go Jimssm ! .. you just offended a considerable number of nincompoops that opine here regularly.
Wisenheimer 1/4/2014 1:15:18 PM Report

Rumour has it that Liberal operatives gave Justin (Elroy Jetson) Trudeau a coffee mug for Christmas.
It reads "drink your latte and shut the f*#k up."
Zing 1/4/2014 1:21:19 PM Report


Way to go, you just offended me.
Wisenheimer 1/4/2014 1:30:12 PM Report

Sorry Zing .. Your grammar is generally stellar. By the way, offending your "grammar" is against Sootoday rules.
Oldie Goldie 1/4/2014 1:56:53 PM Report

I was born in Canada to a U.S. Father

When I proved to U.S. Officials that my Father was born in the U.S.A. and that he married A Canadian wife and that my Dad was still a U.S. Citizen when I was born in Canada then I received Dual Citizenship---Legally--and I have the documents to prove it !

But my sister was denied U.S. Citizenship under the same circumstances--even with the same documents because she was born after 1941.

So there are Limitations to who gets Dual Citizenship and who doesn't.

I produced my Dad's Birth Certificate---My Mom and Dad's Marriage License and my Birth Certificate to become a Dual Citizen.

They were not easy to get !
Oldie Goldie 1/4/2014 2:01:39 PM Report

I was told to never show my U.S. Passport when entering the U.S. in a Vehicle with Ontario Plates---too much confusion.

I did use my U.S. Passport when I went on a Cruise Ship from Port Canaveral to the Carribean.
flyhawk25 1/4/2014 2:14:02 PM Report

Quite by chance yesterday I ran into a group of foreign students at Algoma U. gathering for pizza and wings at a local spot. Impressive group representing many countries who are here for the same reason. Aside from the food.
It struck me that I was seeing a snapshot of Canada's future.
Good stuff.
mallet 1/4/2014 3:26:29 PM Report

Oldie, Flyhawk, et al...

This passport thing can get real tricky fast. When I took my Canadian Citizenship and got the various papers that go with that I still had my old British Passport. Now if I go to England with the Canadian Passport I get a stamp to say that I cannot work or use U K social services, like health or hospital services, even though I draw an English Old Age Pension. If I choose (which I won't) to renew my British Passport then I can enjoy all those services once again. Sometimes the system boogles ones mind..
Prometheus 1/4/2014 3:31:18 PM Report

Old Goldie

You make a very good point; the rules are often changed. Always check with what the current laws are and not what applied in the past. Since 9/11 things are not as simple as they used to be.

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of the current battle about US immigration law will be and how it applies to illegal residents as well as legal immigrants. That is if it ever gets sorted out.

The current legislation working its way through the US Congress also has some regulations affecting type and length of Visas for Canadians, especially of the Snowbird variety.
lookaround 1/4/2014 4:11:14 PM Report

Some people need to be kind on here,
Wild Turkey 1/4/2014 4:38:42 PM Report

Fly----Have you taken a ride on the subway in Toronto lately?
The future is now.
northernmale 1/4/2014 4:47:30 PM Report

Up until a few years ago we hardly ever saw the highways closed. When they privatized it , seems its closed all the time. But guess better to be safe then sorry. Why risks others ,.
Just Curious 1/4/2014 5:32:43 PM Report

Well there you go, just had my laugh for the day. The way some things get reported is just mind-blowing. Was reading on the national page about the storm in NFLD. Near the bottom of the page was a short bit about the storm hitting Nova Scotia really hard, so bad in fact that the liquor stores had to close early.. LOL .:). I have relatives down there so I could believe how bad that must have been....
Wisenheimer 1/4/2014 5:58:29 PM Report

As Don Jonas opines in Wednesday's Post, the "smart phone crowd" have got to stop vacuuming out those "blobs" that were to be the future payers of their CPP, OAS and other Government support programs. When they reach their "viagara" days no one will be around help pay the bills.
Nice to have the freedom to take care of number 1, but hopefully the new students that "Fly's" is so giddy about will have a little more foresight.
shakespeare 1/4/2014 6:05:38 PM Report

I'm back in the Sault and wanted to share a heartwarming story of Christmas Cheer (NOT).
My Calgary daughter booked flights from Calgary to the Sault, where we were all supposed to spend Christmas. She had then booked flights a week later to Montreal with Porter from the Sault via Toronto.
My London daughter and son-in-law decided that with 4 kids and precarious weather that they would prefer for us to spend Christmas with them. So we all drove down and I said that I would drive the younger one to Toronto to pick up the second flight to Montreal. I suggested on Christmas Eve that she call Porter to let them know that she would not be boarding in the Sault but would take the flight from TO. They said that as she had booked with Flight Network, she would have to call them. She did ... and they told her that she would have to cancel the whole journey, as she would be seen as a "no show" (even though, they or Porter could re-sell the Sault-Toronto seat)and that she would not be allowed to board the second flight in TO.. She said "This is ridiculous. Why can't your computers just note that I won't be taking the first flight?" They said it couldn't be done and that she had to re-book and spend $130 plus tax and she had better do it right now as seats were selling out and if she delayed, it could cost more. She argued that she already had a seat. In the end she had no choice but to pay up.
Flight Network are going to be hearing from her (me)! I'm going to be drafting her letter now that I'm home.
Remember,this conversation with a totally indifferent booking clerk took place on Christmas Eve.
I'm not too worried as over the years I'm still batting 1000 with all the complaints to vacation or flight companies.
mallet 1/4/2014 6:26:10 PM Report


While I agree with you 100 per cent, you have to remember two things A/ not everyone is in the Christmas mood especially having to work (low man on the totem pole) and B/ those marvelous machines called computers. These systems are not set up to be changed once programmed. They would have to go in and cancel the first flight and then issue new tickets for the break in the flight. I know, I know it is not hard to say but to the people who design the systems once set up that is not to be changed. I am surprised at Porter though I have always had good service from them, Air Canada and Nor Ontair (jazz) not so much. I am sure you will get a letter of appology and maybe a free flight sometime...
shakespeare 1/4/2014 7:25:05 PM Report

I'm sure she will get something, mallet. My letters in which I anticipate all of their wiggle arguments have always worked. I should point out though, it isn't Porter's fault. They intimated that arrangements could have been made if she had booked through them but Flight Network is the villain of the piece.
bounder 1/4/2014 7:48:43 PM Report

The more I think about it the more I believe that God created monkeys because he was not happy with man.
theprotector 1/4/2014 8:19:38 PM Report

mallet "low man on totem pole" you are such an ass. low man in life
lowla 1/4/2014 9:04:03 PM Report

Does anyone know who the winners were for the Big Wish Lottery?
flyhawk25 1/4/2014 9:33:33 PM Report

I am.
Please don't tell anyone.
nanag 1/4/2014 9:45:01 PM Report


If you are talking about Group Health Big Wish Lottery the draw isn't until January 31st (i think)
Snobank 1/5/2014 12:29:14 AM Report

I just copied this off a local facebook page because I thought it was interesting:

"My main The Everly Brothers memories:

The first pop record I ever bought was Bye Bye love when I was in Grade Seven.
While I was in Grade Eight they appeared in the Sault. The next day my father was hired to fly them to Sudbury in an Airdale Cessna for their next gig. It was a four seater plane. He had absolutely no idea who they were. I only found out later and was aghast because there was an empty seat I could have been in.
A few years later the Vendettas opened for them in the Sault. I didn't really get to talk to them but their bass player loaned me his patch cord when I couldn't find mine. I was hoping to keep it as a souvenir but he came round and collected it after our set.
They were an incredibly influential pair of early rock artists who should be better known today."

I agree. The Everly Brothers were a class act in early rock and roll.
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