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View Room Comments for Saturday, Dec. 28 2013

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sparks7 12/28/2013 6:26:16 AM Report

I think a,lot of people,can't and do not want to walk to their mailboxes.It perplexes me.Why not just reduce delivery to a couple or even one day a week?Would that not save money for canada post?Sure a lot of old folks might be computer illiterate and you think they should just get with it,but did you ever stop to think about them that could just not afford one?

Look up Tommy Prince.WW 2 Vet.

And for the people whining about Big Bad Bank charges.$4.00 here and $1.50 there for their transactions while they sit in front of their $1000.00 computers,well you get no sympathy from me.

Want to beat it?

Just work hard,save money,and invest in them big evil banks we have here in canada.Dividend payouts and capital gains will beat inflation any day over time.

And that is my rant for the morning.

Bobby Nerves 12/28/2013 7:14:20 AM Report

"One shouldn't believe everything one reads just because they see it on the Internet."

Grump 12/28/2013 7:25:19 AM Report

Good morning everyone and sparks. Sparks did someone whizz in your cornflakes this a.m.? Things may have changed now but I banked with Northern Credit Union for years and then all the time I worked overseas. I have never had such poor service and expensive charges before or since to say nothing of the mistakes. I complained to the head Manager and things changed, they got worse. I deal with most of the main stream banks now, pay very few fees and get excellent service. Life is good. lol
Grump 12/28/2013 7:27:43 AM Report

Good morning Bobby, give a call next week and we will do coffee or lunch. Behave yourself New year's Eve.
sparks7 12/28/2013 8:19:53 AM Report


Yes somebody did piss on my cornflakes and I am pretty grumpy about it all.I am just trying to out grump you and I will.. just give me a little time ok.I hope you have a rotten new year you sob and hopefully we will never converse again.
flyhawk25 12/28/2013 8:27:37 AM Report

Good morning SSM.
The good news is that my son and daughter in law got home just fine Thursday morning at 4:00.Ahh to be young.That's down and back to the London area in 2 days with a quick side trip to Toronto for dessert.
The other good news for everyone who was concerned about my lack of technology skills I am going to use the microwave to nuke my coffee while I watch television.
I am now even multi-tasking.
Alert the media.
Grump 12/28/2013 8:32:43 AM Report

Sparks and a Happy New Year to you too. You sound like a real sweetheart. I only get grumpy when someone acts like a moron but it's the holidays so we will give you a pass. Go see if you can evict a few widows or scare some small children. This might cheer you up.
David Poluck 12/28/2013 8:50:19 AM Report

reality.. "It just missed the central point of whether retailers should be free to decide for themselves whether to open or not."

No it didn't. The modified question was clear concise and neutral in the way it was worded. To add what you are looking for would no longer make it clear.
Questions such as;
Define retailer?
Are employees of the stores are retailers
Does that mean store owners only?
Which store owners?
All leading to non clarity.

Reality this has all been debated before and the question on the ballot was decided by a judge to be the one to go before the people.

I would have liked to seen the question based on the by-law as a yes or no instead of the way it was written but it was good enough for Elections Canada then who am I to argue?
Mark Brown 12/28/2013 8:50:22 AM Report

Good morning Vroomers,

The cracks of our modern, individualistic lifestyles are starting to show... BIG TIME! Why can't a trusted neighbour or relative help with the pickup of mail?

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely NOT in favour of Harper trying to balance the books by reducing workers, with families in some cases, who pay their fair share of taxes... postal workers in this particular case... That is just wrong IMHO.

Reducing the workforce is the last place Harper should be cutting, not the first :(

Sincerely and Respectfully,
Mark Brown
sparks7 12/28/2013 8:53:47 AM Report



I would repeat what you just posted but do not what to scare anybody.Holy shit,can't you take a joke?
David Poluck 12/28/2013 9:07:09 AM Report

I have a suggestion for the government of Canada.
Place on the next federal election ballot the question of postal home delivery.

Have the leaders debate this in the Commons.

Mark Brown 12/28/2013 9:26:08 AM Report

@sparks7, you said:

"...invest in them big evil banks we have here in canada.Dividend payouts and capital gains will beat inflation any day over time."

I would recommend bank preferreds inside a TFSA, but that's just me, and your comment clearly indicates that The grotesque Profits being garnered by the oligopoly of Cnadian Banks for providing necessary banking services to Canadians are already being heavily subsidized by our federal governments.

If Harper wants to make a bank account a Canadian Requirement then he should enact laws to make them non-profit.

There is no reason bank owners should be profiting from Harper's choices.

lookaround 12/28/2013 9:37:00 AM Report

Sparks true greed of the 1% determines the life of the 99%. that is not democracy.
lookaround 12/28/2013 9:39:20 AM Report

Dave, Harper acts like a dictator and why would he care for the masses that will not vote for him?
sparks7 12/28/2013 9:39:49 AM Report

"we will give you a pass"

Who is we Grump?
sparks7 12/28/2013 9:44:01 AM Report


Wisenheimer 12/28/2013 9:51:08 AM Report

Mort Zuckerman, billionaire CEO of Boston Properties, and owner and publisher of The New York News, calls Steven Harper best politician of 2013. "For keeping the Canadian economy in great shape even with their biggest trading partner mired in stagnant growth and high unemployment.".
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Wisenheimer 12/28/2013 9:53:19 AM Report

MB .. stick to your knitting .. you know not of what you speak.
Wild Turkey 12/28/2013 9:56:35 AM Report

@Mark Brown----Sparky suggested how to beat the big banks,that is by investing in them and reaping the benefits,through lucrative dividends.Like it or not the Canadian Banks are in business to make a profit,and they are very good at what they do.They are under the microscope and do face some hefty government regulations.They pay their fair share of corporate taxes, as well.For you to suggest that the government take them over, and provide free service to everyone, is nothing short of pure lunacy!!!!As many posters have pointed out to you,there are ways to receive,fee free banking just have to ask.
sparks7 12/28/2013 10:00:45 AM Report


Yup, you are right,but think about the alternatives.We need to find a balance I think.That pendulum swings both ways.
Bobby Nerves 12/28/2013 10:05:18 AM Report

Can someone unplug Spark's computer... he's drunk and writing.
Spellchecker 12/28/2013 10:22:00 AM Report
Wisenheimer 12/28/2013 10:24:59 AM Report

In 2013 Canadian banks returned from 15 to 20% in capital gains, plus another 3.5 to 5% in dividends.
Analysts predict another 9 to 16% for 2014.
No brainer!
sparks7 12/28/2013 10:34:43 AM Report

Holy Smokes Bobby

you got it all worked out for once.

you must be on your meds or off them

who the hell knows .
Grump 12/28/2013 11:10:42 AM Report

Hey sparks I concede, you are the No. 1 grump/Grinch. Now live up to your word and go away and bother somebody else. I think Bobby is right you are one of those heroes that got a little hammered and now you are 10' tall. Buzz off twit. You have had your pass so now I can tell you to stop acting like an a**h***. Go back to bed for a while and get up on the other side.
sparks7 12/28/2013 11:14:10 AM Report


US looking good...japan looking looking good..isn't that scary to you?

realitycheck 12/28/2013 11:15:02 AM Report

"For keeping the Canadian economy in great shape even with their biggest trading partner mired in stagnant growth and high unemployment."

Canada's unemployment rate is 6.9 percent. The following story says the U.S. is at seven percent. I don't see there is much difference between the two.

Christopher S. Rugaber, The Associated Press, Published Friday, December 6, 2013
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. job market is proving sturdier than many thought.

Solid job growth in November cut the U.S. unemployment rate in November to seven per cent, a five-year low. The surprisingly robust gain suggested that the economy may have begun to accelerate. As more employers gain the confidence to step up hiring, more people have money to spend to drive the economy.

Grump 12/28/2013 11:24:06 AM Report

Wisen the Canadian economy is hardly in great shape. Your heroes have not produced a balanced budget in eight years but have run up enough debt to hold Canada back until our Grandchildren are old and retired. If we ran our businesses and households the same way this lot has run the government we would be out of business and living on the street. This by the way is where Harper and crew will be in 2015.
Grump 12/28/2013 11:24:07 AM Report

Wisen the Canadian economy is hardly in great shape. Your heroes have not produced a balanced budget in eight years but have run up enough debt to hold Canada back until our Grandchildren are old and retired. If we ran our businesses and households the same way this lot has run the government we would be out of business and living on the street. This by the way is where Harper and crew will be in 2015.
sparks7 12/28/2013 11:33:42 AM Report


I was just trying to be polite to you.But I guess there is no doing that.You come on here every day and you just look for a fight somewhere so fu@@kk888 off.There is no rational debate with a dink like you.Flyhawk must be wrong.Some politics do change.
Grump 12/28/2013 11:43:25 AM Report

Hey sparky your post at 19.53 called me an sob among other things. Now if that is being polite to me then you go screw off and stay there. Now ya'll all have a nice day hear.
Snobank 12/28/2013 11:54:18 AM Report

sparks7, never try to make a joke on this site. People are very temperamental.

For instance, I would never quote to fly the great Canadian author, Robertson Davies, who said, "The world is full of people whose notion of a satisfactory future is, in fact, a return to the idealized past."

I might point out that the great US president, Abraham Lincoln said, "Never believe what you read on the internet."

Never joke on this site.

Mark Brown 12/28/2013 12:06:34 PM Report

@Weisenheimer, not everybody is comfortable with the volitility of trading common stocks like you. I like the stability of bank preferreds. Perhaps it's not the best use of a TFSA, but it is a whole heck of a lot better than putting money into a bank account.

@Wild Turkey, in case you missed it, thanks for providing the reduced-fee banking information yesterday although I am not sure that any of the advice offered yesterday will benefit anybody who is less than 55 who receives a social assistance cheque ISSUED by the government.

Non-profit does not mean cost-free or "free service" Wild Turkey.

People who work at the banks have to get paid. Bank overhead costs need to be paid for... All bank related costs need to be paid for, but what does not need to be paid for are the grotesque profits that go solely to the owners of the banks. The shareholders.

That's why I think non-profit banks are a good idea. Any and all profits would go back into the delivery of banking services and/or the taxpayer as the case may be.

If Harper wants to make banking services a Canadian REQUIREMENT then he better pass legislation to make the required services cost free. One small downtrodden section of the Canadian citizenry should not be forced to pay out of pocket monies for Harper's cost reductions.

There's no good reason Harper should be forcing citizens to stuff the pockets of Bank Owners with money.

sparks7 12/28/2013 12:10:16 PM Report


thank you snobank.and grump I am sorry if we took things the wrong way.
right wing 12/28/2013 12:45:28 PM Report


I love that quote, and oh how true.


Don't try and out grump pisses him off.
sweetc 12/28/2013 1:02:18 PM Report

why should you get free service charges if you have a lot of money in the bank. You don't need the free service charges. Young people starting out need free service charges, low income people (seniors or otherwise) need free service charges. those of you who have made your fortune in the times of high investment rates don't need more, shouldn't expect anything free just because you have money. I for one am tired of it. give the people a break who need it.
Gurpy 12/28/2013 1:05:46 PM Report

Why should seniors or the disabled be put in a position of imposing on their neighbours for retrieving their mail? It`s great to help out when needed so long as it isn`t an everyday occurrence. People have more than enough of their own errands without adding someone else`s to the list. Just my opinion.
Bobby Nerves 12/28/2013 1:23:27 PM Report

Dear Sootoday:

In response to yours Today Poll, this year, as in the previous three, I won the Life Lottery twice.

Every six months I have a prearranged test as follow up after few surgeries and chemo due to cancer.

Every time I go there, the protein count indicates no presence of cancer cells.

This counting happens to me twice in my life.

I may have no money, no fancy cars, no pension plan, no summers in Europe, no investments to be worry about, no gold or silver, neither oil or mineral, but I do have the privilege of enjoying life everyday, and no money in this world will buy you that!

Therefore, 2013 was a great year and I look forward to win the two 2014 lotteries.

BTW: Thank you for your interest and I hope you enjoy my answer.

soowat 12/28/2013 1:25:33 PM Report


You might want to give Northern C.U. another chance.Moved there after an experience with Community First that was (to be kind) negative. Have nothing but good things to say about my five plus years at Northern.
Grump 12/28/2013 1:38:25 PM Report

Soowat Thanks but I think I'll pass on that one. Someday when and if we meet I'll tell you about my experience with them.
Mark Brown 12/28/2013 1:42:47 PM Report

@Grump, the mere fact that you are calling the helping of a physically less capable person an imposition is indicative of the modern individualistic lifestyle we all are living.

Helping physically less capable people with their sporadic, or even ongoing, physical challenges is not an imposition. It is simply the good and right thing to do... whenever and wherever you can in your busy life.

Just my opinion.

soowat 12/28/2013 1:45:15 PM Report

Bobby Nerves:

Can't speak for SOOTODAY, but I did enjoy your answer. It's nice to read a comment from someone who knows what is important. When we forget that,we are just doing a cathartic bitching. Yes I am guilty of doing that
Grump 12/28/2013 1:50:56 PM Report

Sparks If in fact we both got off track this morning then I too sincerely apologize. rw run along and google class or in your case the lack of class. You are not likely to get anything out of it but you should. Sweet C the banks not only make money on their fees but by lending out your money on deposit. If you keep a fairly good balance most banks wave those fees in appreciation for keeping a fairly steady balance. It may not seem fair to you but that's life. In the early 80s I was getting 21.5% on T bills but I know three Doctors in town who had invested heavily in Murbs. and when rates went up it bankrupted them. That wasn't fair either. Sometimes you are the bat and sometimes you are the ball.
EricThe SHERIFF 12/28/2013 1:53:03 PM Report


Your response to Grump, should have been to Gurpy.
Grump 12/28/2013 2:03:36 PM Report

Mark You lost me on your last post, please explain. I do not generally talk about it but both my wife and I spend many hours of volunteer work for charities and not for profits. I might add a fair bit of financial support also. I know this is a tax break so I'm not being some kind of hero. Please explain where your post came from.
Mark Brown 12/28/2013 2:11:50 PM Report

@Grump, sorry about that my posts should have been directed at Gurpy like Eric the Sheriff said, and thank you Grump for your generous donation of time and money.

EricThe SHERIFF 12/28/2013 2:12:00 PM Report


Look at my post above yours.
Grump 12/28/2013 2:25:32 PM Report

Eric looks like it's a good thing that one of the three of us is keeping track. lol
DutchTouch 12/28/2013 2:44:22 PM Report

sweetc I think I know what your concerns are about the banks and service charges.
A few years ago a friend of mine was having trouble making ends meet and she wasn't able to keep a $1000 balance in her account.
It really irked me that she was charged service fees while someone like me who was able to keep my balance over that amount wasn't charged anything.
That's how the poor stay poor while the rich get richer.
I still can't understand how the banks can get away with it.
To me it is highway robbery.
flyhawk25 12/28/2013 2:49:44 PM Report

In defense of Northern Credit Union I've been a client-member since it started in an old house on McNabb.
I have found them fair and reasonable and very helpful.And they have handled our finances fr a long time.
I like the idea of dealing with people who live, work and invest here.
Wild Turkey 12/28/2013 2:51:05 PM Report

@Mark Brown and Sweet C-----Like I said---no fee banking is available to everyone---Did you bother to inquire, or is easier to just whine about it and blame the Big Banks and the incompetent Government of the day?
Oldie Goldie 12/28/2013 2:59:49 PM Report

Just Curious---You hit the nail right on the head in your last post of Friday.

" The decision has already been made "

Yes, Without any consultation or discussion--Canada Post is a Public Institution and, in my opinion, they should consult with their customers.

A few days ago I made several points that Canada Post could have considered but didn't.

One was to deliver mail 3 days week and that includes Community Boxes

Another was to sell off PUROLATOR which is not competitive with U.P.S. or Fed-Ex and others.

Another was to reduce the number of times they sort the Mail---from Soo to Toronto for sorting by cities---back to the Soo for sorting by walks and then sorting by the carrier by homes etc.

The Local Mail was only sorted at our Local Post Office by walks and then by the carrier to homes in the carrier's order and we got it the next day.

Another one was to send U.S.A. Mail from here directly to Soo Mich. Post Office--as of now our Mail from Soo Ontario to Soo Mich. goes to Toronto--sorted and sent to Detroit--sorted and sent to Grand Rapids--sorted and sent to Gaylord---sorted and sent to Soo Mich.---believe it or not !

Not any of these changes were even considered----All Canada Post wants is to get rid of the Postal Workers Union and make all Taxpayers come up with the Pension Shortfalls and pay the Severance packages---both amounting to about 100 Million and pay 50 % more for stamps.

Then Canada Post will charge Canadian Taxpayers for the costs of making 1000's of Community Boxes---Costs of renting spaces to put them and make many Handicapped people trudge through the Snow to get the Mail from locked boxes that could be frozen 6 months of the year and walk over snow banks that aren't cleared on sidewalks that aren't plowed and even cross some dangerous streets when only I sidewalk is plowed.

Then they can hire some Conservative-friendly deliverers instead of Postmen.

Boy oh boy--many decisions yet to be made by Canada Post at taxpayers expenses and still keep all the high-priced help at the top of Canada Post.
steelworker 12/28/2013 3:03:19 PM Report

fly: I used to drive around town with Len Strom in his old truck with two bags of cash in my lap.
soowat 12/28/2013 3:24:32 PM Report


What was Lens Strom delivering and to whom was he delivering it?
sparks7 12/28/2013 3:27:46 PM Report

hey Grump

I am sorry.Thank you for responding.You are a really nice guy and I respect your politics.But I also respect RW and his take on things.

Mark Twain

said something like this...

" the sign of a good mind is one that can see and accept both sides without going crazy"

Grump,I am sorry if I offended you and I wish you the best of all new years.

i also

i also
sweetc 12/28/2013 3:59:03 PM Report

It doesn't matter if you ask... you will be told that you need $XXXX dollars here and then we will consider it. Just a chequing account that doesn't carry any balance won't cut it. Try asking for that.......LOL>>>> I dare ya..
steelworker 12/28/2013 4:29:09 PM Report

Len Strom started one of the first credit unions in the Sault. Him and his wife started off in their basement and then moved it to an old house on McNabb. They opened up a second credit union on 2nd Line by Goulais Avenue (in another old house). If the branch credit union needed cash from the main branch Len would just throw a couple of bags in his truck and go.
Gurpy 12/28/2013 5:18:01 PM Report

You just are not getting it! Seniors and the disabled do not want to be losing more independence than necessary. People have very busy lives and enough of their own responsibilities without taking on even more. Yes we have wonderful volunteers in our community but, they are not able to care for everyone who would be affected by the changes Canada Post would like to make. Sounds like you would not be bothered in the least by someone asking you to run and fetch their mail. That`s great but not everyone feels the way you do! Not everyone is in a position to care for others or to take on additional responsibilities.Forgive me but you are sounding a bit like Mike Harris. Remember how he wanted everyone to take care of all the poor people? Except for him of course along with a few of his buddies!
Mark Brown 12/28/2013 6:52:26 PM Report

@Gurpy, I am sure that you are right about every single solitary Senior and physically challenged person not wanting to get help from anybody for anything ever, but just in case there are one or two who actually don't want to do everything for themselves by themselves all the time I'm sure there are a few people on every street who would consider getting mail for their less physically capable neighbour(s) as an opportunity!!!


Wisenheimer 12/28/2013 6:55:19 PM Report

reality .. unemployment rate in U.S. closer to 12% with many dropping out of their labor market and no longer in the numbers.
Oldie Goldie 12/28/2013 7:19:45 PM Report

Mark Brown--Until you meet and actually talk to Seniors you will never understand how they feel.

Most seniors are proud people who rarely ask for help and they will try to do whatever they need to do by themselves.

This is where the problems start when Canada Post makes it difficult for them without trying to understand what the problems may be.

Canada Post--a Public entity--did not even consult with their customers--They just said that's the way it is going to be---period.

Many disabled seniors will bust their but trying to comply without asking for help.

Canada Post could have considered keeping the home delivery as it is for the 1/3 of the older people by cutting Mail delivery to 3 days a week.
That would save money and satisfy the seniors quite readily.

It was not the Taxpayers who lost money in Mail Delivery but it will be the Taxpayers who will have to pay the costs of an underfunded Pension Plan and the required Severances and higher postage to settle a big beaurocratic mess that Canada Post has created by their highly paid Officials.

I believe that their main purpose in all of this is to destroy the Postal Workers Union rather than work with them to help solve their financial difficulties

This problem will become part of the next Federal Election because Canada Post will have more problems than it can handle trying to impose these changes on unwilling customers and making major changes in their collective agreements with their Employees.
Gurpy 12/28/2013 7:22:25 PM Report

The seniors and disabled that come to my mind are those who relish their independence, or what little of it is left! If you are so desperate for an "opportunity", there are many places within the city who would love an extra set of helping hands.
flyhawk25 12/28/2013 9:35:29 PM Report

The definition of ironic.
My power went out for just over an hour.But I could look out my window and see that great light display on Simpson St..
I can't wait to see what the newest story from the PUC will be.
It does make me wonder. Am I better off now than I was as a kid?Or do I live in a new version of a Third World country where I have no choice but just shut up and watch my money exit my on-line account for my utility bill and be thankful that 'my government' will let me get all my banking done on-line.
If the power stays on.
right wing 12/28/2013 9:49:04 PM Report


Ya see...I too joked around with Grump, (barely, and not even directly) did you read his reply...he turned into the whiny bitch that he truly is.
...and he wants apologies...he won't ever get one from me.
This from a senior that challenges folks to a fight at the garbage dump.
Big baby.
redranger 12/28/2013 10:04:12 PM Report

Ah, 'tis wonderful to behold how the feelings of "good will to all men" pervade the postings throughout this blessed season.
Retreaded 12/28/2013 10:15:05 PM Report

Flyhawk..the PUC says it was some sort of "foreign interference" I SAY :
What kind of "foreign interference" could it possibly be? I recall in the summer every outage was blamed on birds hitting the wires. What now...night owls hitting the wires?
flyhawk25 12/28/2013 10:21:04 PM Report

The Wallendas were practicing and one of them slipped.
Might just as well blame them. The PUC has blamed just about everything else to this point.
flyhawk25 12/28/2013 10:27:03 PM Report

And furthermore - I was in the bathroom letting the water run to clear up to brush my teeth when the lights went out.
I just have to try to accept the new reality in this city, pay my bill and stop complaining.
Before long I'll be mulch and it will be another person's problem.
Wicket 12/29/2013 12:35:21 AM Report

steelworker 12/29/2013 2:45:40 AM Report

The water smelled like dead fish. Was the Mayor involved?
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