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View Room Comments for Thursday, Dec. 26 2013

Thursday, December 26, 2013   by: The View RoomWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 12/26/2013 7:18:51 AM Report

Good morning everyone, there is a special treat for everyone today. Soo today has done a little tribute to Skipper Dave. For those who didn't know Dave I recommend the read to introduce you to a man who truly was worth knowing. To those who had met Dave this will be a warm reminder of a great man who knew how to be humble and speak from the heart. Merry Christmas to all and to you Dave as I know you are safe in a better place.
flyhawk25 12/26/2013 8:33:08 AM Report

Happy Boxing Day SSM!
While I know the history of this holiday I never realized how welcomed it is until my kids started working in commercial kitchens.Long hours and probably mirror the life of many workers in many places that simply do not stop.
So all of those who finally have a break today - enjoy.
And to those who worked all or part of the holiday to serve others in all jobs - thank you.
Bobby Nerves 12/26/2013 8:43:12 AM Report

Good morning Grump and Fly. Merry Christmas to you and those you love. Dave's reading was a low blow for me and I can hardly read the keyboard. But there is happiness in the certainty that he's sailing safe.

Bobby Nerves 12/26/2013 8:57:36 AM Report

Today, and after seeing the scenery in parts of our Province and in Quebec, where people is accommodating to overcame the frigid temperatures while those who serve us are working their hearts out to return things to something resembling normal and as I seat in front of my window looking at that "drop dead gorgeous" East-Northeast sky, I'd like to thank all those keeping our roads as safe as you can wish. Our daughter made the trip to visit and we'd rejoice with her company all this days of Christmas and now she is ready to head back to the Capital, it is a long drive and those hard working people made it much easier and safer for her and all those traveling not only today, but all year round.

Thank you for a job well done.
David Poluck 12/26/2013 9:19:17 AM Report

Happy Boxing Day/Civic Holiday everyone!

Well said Fly!
Up next.. New Years and the winter classic between Toronto and Detroit!
soowat 12/26/2013 10:23:02 AM Report

The bridge cam is not showing/predicting any major traffic on the bridge. I guess Canadians are not all that excited about boxing day bargains in the Excited States
Grump 12/26/2013 10:37:28 AM Report

Soowat, wait until after lunch when their blood starts to circulate. lol
redranger 12/26/2013 10:47:40 AM Report

Good "Feast of Stephen" day to all. I read the postings of my old friend and was able to see many that I had missed. Most of you met Dave through this forum but I was introduced to the forum through my friendship with Dave. We served together on the Ken Brown board and met for lunch every month for many years. Dave and I discovered that we had much in common in our past in Sudbury and Sault Ste Marie. I learned much about tolerance from this remarkable man. One day, about a year ago, at our luncheon meeting, someone congratulated Dave on a lovely post about the nurses at "the barn". I asked about this and was directed to this Forum. I have met many more fine people in here and for that I can thank my old friend. A further happy note occurred at the Christmas luncheon in 2012 where I met Dave's wife and found that she was a former student of mine. He was a fortunate man. He knew that and constantly reminded us of it. I believe that anyone who knew Dave well became a better person. I hope that I did.
soowat 12/26/2013 11:23:47 AM Report

A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds,

'What does love mean?'

The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have imagined

There were many answers, but I thought this one from Bobby (age 7)was particularly appropriate for the season

Love is..

Love is what is in the room with you at Christmas time if you stop opening presents and listen
flyhawk25 12/26/2013 11:39:43 AM Report

This true experience with my family years ago serves to reinforce that.
We went to the old bandshell to hear Jean Vanier speak.Brought our lawn chairs and blankets. My buddy the priest was in charge on the power generator for the PA system and of course it calved as Jean spoke.
While he frantically tried to restart it the people there began to spontaneously sing. Amazing.
When he finally got the system running Vanier smiled and said 'Sometimes when God needs to speak to us he turns the power off'.
It reminded me of the scripture quote 'Be still so that you may hear me'.
That child gets it.
I just hope that we do.
Grump 12/26/2013 12:08:30 PM Report

Fly I hope so too ,but it seems the older we get, the slower we learn. lol. When we really get old, we really learn slowly.
Bobby Nerves 12/26/2013 1:18:28 PM Report

Grump, kids are capable of stop opening gift packages and listen... we no longer have that capacity, stress, ambitions and social pressure did their part on us and some of our abilities had been crippled.
Oldie Goldie 12/26/2013 1:30:35 PM Report

An item on C.T.V. recently showed how quickly and easily a thief can open any box in the Community Mail Box---especially when few are around for long periods of time.

Another downer for Community Mail Boxes.

The end of the month checks would be a god-send for thieves.

And I believe you have to fix your own box if it is broken.
sweetc 12/26/2013 2:43:02 PM Report

from what I understand.. by the spring.. all of hte government cheques will be direct deposited to an account. no more cheques in the mail means that thieves can't get their hands on them as readily.
flyhawk25 12/26/2013 3:36:01 PM Report

To parents everywhere with kids traveling over the son and daughter in law are driving back here tonight through MI after just driving down yesterday to be with family near London.
The weather on the way looks not bad for the time of year but it is a night drive.
So after they finish supper it's back in the vehicle again.
I think folks with family on the roads will understand my anxiety.
POKER 12/26/2013 3:38:42 PM Report

Oldie Goldie, is that the best argument you can come up with against community mail boxes? I like the innovative moves being made by Canada Post to reduce costs. Some people just can't handle change of any kind.
Oldie Goldie 12/26/2013 4:26:32 PM Report

Poker--What you read to-day was only one reason---If you followed this site you would have read 4 or 5 other reasons written by me pointing out the problems of Community Mail Boxes.

Try pushing a Walker or a getting a Wheelchair to a Community Box in weather like we have for 6 months a year.

As for mailing all checks to a Bank Account---Many people don't like this or they would have had Direct Deposit long before now since it has been available for over 10 years.

Just go to any Financial Institution at the end of the month and see how many people are cashing their checks that they received in their mail box.

The Government cannot force anyone to get a Bank Account for Direct Deposit.

Personally I have used this for many years now but I know many who want their check in their hands.

Have you any idea how many disabled people depend on home delivery of their Mail.Perhaps you can help them out by picking up their mail for them ?
lookaround 12/26/2013 4:51:57 PM Report

They never shovel when plow goes by and it is hard to get over the bank and twice the plow hit the box and the door was damaged. I will not pay for damaged government property.
JWT 12/26/2013 5:11:05 PM Report

Grump 12/26/2013 12:08:30 PM

Throughout much of my life I've been unteachable (if this is a word) except when I'd been hurting a great deal. I'm not sure that getting old (which I have) has made this problem much worse.

I seem able now, though, to recognize and admit being wrong a bit quicker than I once was.
Oldie Goldie 12/26/2013 5:17:39 PM Report

Most of the people who now get home delivery of their mail are older folks because Canada Post would not extend home delivery for the last 20 years.

The Post Office says that only 1/3 of the people in Canada now get home delivery.

Are you trying to tell me that 1/3 of the people cause all the Financial Problems of Canada Post ?

Canada Post could sell of their money=losing Purolator and stick to Canada Post for Parcels. Purolator tries to beat Fed Ex and other Parcel Delivery Companies and they can't beat them.

Have a good look at the real reasons to cut off Home Delivery---Destroy the Postal Workers Union! They can't sell off Canada Post because of the heavy Pension deficit that Canada Post carries because they have under-funded the Pension Plan for many years now.

Canada Post does not care if many people have trouble getting to their Mail---The C.E.O. said that many people called him and said that they wanted to walk to get their Mail---for the exercise--- but that C.E.O. did not say how many called him and from what locations so he cannot be believed.

Who, in their right mind, would give up willingly their home delivery ?
mallet 12/26/2013 5:24:52 PM Report


Experience is the greatest teacher of all. One learns not to touch something that is hot, poke a wasps nest, hit your fingers with a hammer. Sure, you were told not to do those things, but how many can honestly say they have not. One tries not to hurt oneself, but I and I suspect many others have the scars to say " I should not have done that", but experience tells us not to do the same thing again, unless of course you are a narcissist..
mallet 12/26/2013 5:43:06 PM Report

Oldie Goldie..

I am not sure that trying to price yourself out of the market is exactly a reasonable business plan either. I think you are right that the Post Office is out to break the union, but I have to ask why did the P O agree to the pension and benefit plans that are in place. I think that the idea that it is a Crown Corporation is one reason and the threat of strikes is another. As you say lots of older people like to have their cheques in their hands rather than direct deposit. The only time I every got paid by cheque was when I first worked at a small business here in Canada, otherwise in the U K it was cash in a pay packet and then in the services it was put direct into the bank, and every other job has been the same, direct deposit. I have a few problems with the mailbox idea, what if someone slips, falls and because of the cold dies, who is responsible, who is responsible to make sure they are kept clear of snow, ice, wasp nests and in reasonable order. I do not think this was a very well thought out idea, and will not save them a dime. I know that letter writing is becoming a lost art, and the P O is not help by their misguided vision for the future..
Grump 12/26/2013 5:54:08 PM Report

Well Oldie I agree with you about Canada Post. Time to get rid of these political hack CEOs and Managers who couldn't manage a two car parade. Cut off all their damn perks and spend the money where it should be spent, delivering mail. Mallet I still whack my thumb occasionally but certainly not on purpose. Mind you it's not near as often as when I started out. I had a bit of a temper in those days and finally put up two sheets of 3/4 " ply as it saved the wall paneling when I let my hammer fly. That said when one looks back at their mistakes it's no small wonder all of us survived.
soowat 12/26/2013 6:12:37 PM Report

I see from the last few comments that the Christmas season is over. It was great while it lasted
sweetc 12/26/2013 6:37:18 PM Report

although not by spring. the Canadian Government will be phasing out the issuing of cheques in favour of direct deposit. here is the link....
Grump 12/26/2013 6:58:40 PM Report

Soowat , Christmas season is not over, I for one got tired of holding hands 24/7. If you are OK with a government running us over our heads in debt, cutting pensions, screwing up our postal system then you are a better man than I. I have been paying taxes since the mid 50s and this incompetence ticks me off. There now back to the Christmas season.
Oldie Goldie 12/26/2013 7:34:36 PM Report

sweet c --You know the old saying---"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

That applies here--the Government might want everyone to have Direct Deposit but it cannot be forced on someone who doesn't want it that way.

Another case of Big Brother knows best.

All my Finances are Direct Deposit and Withdrawals because I am Computer Literate enough for that.

Many older people around here don't even own a Computer and don't want to learn one either---and most don't trust that way of doing things.
soowat 12/26/2013 7:35:03 PM Report


Sure it's over or you wouldn't be so dang grumpy about my comment. Remember Santa may not have left the building.

Yes. the foregoing was written with my tongue firmly in my cheek
Grump 12/26/2013 8:04:19 PM Report

Soowat, that may be so but it came across as more self righteous and the first personal remark of the day or days. That said it is Christmas so have a good one.
POKER 12/26/2013 8:05:48 PM Report

Some on this site want the government to do everything for them including delivering mail right to their door. I'm a senior, been retired for 12 years and look forward to my walks to the community mail box, but then, unlike some I don't expect the government to do everything for me.
sweetc 12/26/2013 8:27:55 PM Report

Oldie Goldie... you will have no choice in the matter, the cheque will not be available... HMMM direct deposit or no money..... tough decision.

direct exert from the revenue Canada website. "By April 2016, the Government of Canada will be phasing out cheques in favour of direct deposit for all government payments. You will therefore need to sign up for direct deposit."

no more paper cheques.

mallet 12/26/2013 9:20:19 PM Report


Mail has been deivered to homes for more than a hundred odd years, without a problem, but now due to mismanagement they want to stop doing that, and charge more. I am happy that you are able to walk to the communal mail boxes, however should there come a time you are not able to do so, would it not be nice if mail was delivered to your door? Also it is not the government doing anything for you, someone pays for that service, by way of a stamp, that they have priced themselves out of the market and not kept up with technologies is their own fault..
JWT 12/26/2013 9:22:01 PM Report

I've used electronic banking almost entirely for more than a dozen years and am comfortable with it since I've had bank accounts with Northern Credit Union for more than 50 years where they've kept pace with new technologies.

I think it might "stick in my craw" a bit, though, if I needed to set up a bank account, and pay associated bank charges, to receive a monthly stipend that is due to me per legislation that predates the technology needed for direct deposit, i.e, when you could keep your money in a sock if you wanted to.

sweetc 12/26/2013 9:36:45 PM Report

Be that as it may JWT, it will happen... Just like bank accounts had to be set up for direct payroll. I know 30 years ago I had to have an account for my payroll to be deposited so how are the govt pension funds any different?
JWT 12/26/2013 9:49:49 PM Report're right when you say I'm not going to stop it. However, 30 years ago we were getting a bit of interest from the bank for the use of our money. Now we just get bank charges on chequing accounts, which boils down to paying a fee to receive a pension cheque. Can't stop progress, though, can we...
3rd times a charm 12/26/2013 9:57:25 PM Report

Canada post made over 98 million dollars last year...there is no reason to do what they are doing, other than the fact they are 'top heavy' and paying big bucks to the executives, who do nothing...
sweetc 12/26/2013 10:16:11 PM Report

Also want to remind you that 30 years ago, I paid 21 3/4% for my mortgage in comparison to today's rate of aroound 3%. With making this little interest on mortgages banks can't afford to pay interest on chequing accounts. That is food for thought now isn't it. the people that had money to invest 30 years ago made 18% on GICs but us young people who were just starting out were paying over 20% for a mortgage.
Oldie Goldie 12/27/2013 9:16:10 AM Report

Big Brother will tell you what is best---Typical Conservative Style---They will save money by using Direct Deposit but you will pay Service Fees to receive it. Each time you make a withdrawal of your own money a Service Fee will apply.

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