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View Room Comments for Thursday, Dec. 19 2013

Thursday, December 19, 2013   by: The View RoomWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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David Poluck 12/19/2013 5:01:33 AM Report

Good morning!

Found this story this morning looks like the province may have figured a way to get into your pockets while you cross border shop! While raising the cost of fuel tax here!

Should Canadians pay a cross-border fee to cover road, transit costs?
Grump 12/19/2013 6:37:01 AM Report

Good morning everyone and David. In answer to your question I don't give a furry rat's butt for the big smokes transit problems. That is except for the few times a year that I'm stuck there. I heard Vic Fideli on the radio yesterday trashing the Liberal plans to do something about the transit problem, stating they had a plan that wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime. He must be trying to replace Hudak as moron of the year. Have a great day all.
Grump 12/19/2013 6:54:32 AM Report

It's no small wonder Harper is hiding out these days. Their plan to cut military expenses was on the news last evening. They don't want to cut the new Ships etc. and they don't want to cut the number of military bodies so they are planning on cutting maintenance and training. The Generals have been told in usual Harper style that they are not to comment on this. Rick Hillier (retired) certainly had some things to say about this and none of them good. I have called Harper incompetent for quite a while now but this is closer to dumb and dumber. All this stupidity going on but no help for seniors that need it either on their CPP or their mail delivery. The gov't has been screwing taxpayers on these benefits for years. It was recently estimated that the average worker upon retirement would/should have almost 700,000. in his CPP account but of course those fund have been raided to pay for our big spending leaders dumb assed whims.
BIG BROTHER 12/19/2013 6:55:05 AM Report

OK Red, you got me there. It wouldn't be the first time I spoke without having a clue. Give me an 'F' and we'll leave it at that.

Or, let's look at another possibility. You haven't a clue and are therefore transferring your lack of understanding onto my plate, blaming the messenger, because it couldn't be your lack of understanding causing the problem. 'Cause you have a university degree'! Now, throw me out of class, call me oppositional and give me an 'F'.

Red, I've lived in both worlds. I think I have some insights. I don't want to post my curriculum vitae here. I like to put it in my pocket and use as required, not to put someone down. I'm proud of my accomplishments and although I could have focused more at some point, I have no regrets.

University is a wonderful place. Many people attempting to accomplish the same thing. Read information, synthesize it with prior knowledge and develop a new level of understanding our world. Trade School doesn't focus on that. No pretension at Trade School. Learn what makes the toilet flush. Learn how an engine works. What tool to use for a particular job. I suppose if a University Degree came with that skill set, you may understand the importance of removing the crap from your toilet to some mysterious place and not worry too much about how to spell preferred. Too bad that's not covered at University.

When I'm on the working end of a tool, I don't care if the crane operator has a university degree or a sore ass. Can he do his job and do it safely?? would be the only thing I would be asking myself.

Bill Gates isn't the only university dropout who met with success in his life. A shining example, but certainly not the only one. I'm certain that 'the Boss', Bruce Springsteen, didn't graduate university, but I'm quite sure university was/would have only held him back. That is why I quoted him yesterday. I think he may have been writing about the likes of you when he wrote the lines...

'We busted out of class,
Had to get away from those fools.
We learned more from a 3 minute record, baby,
Than we ever learned in schools.'

David Poluck 12/19/2013 7:13:42 AM Report

"I don't give a furry rat's butt for the big smokes transit problems."

Grump problem is they'll make us all pay for what the center of the universe deems important.
Maybe some day "furry rat butt" will be the currency here in the new Provence of Northern Ontario!
David Poluck 12/19/2013 7:17:56 AM Report

Oops I meant "Province of Northern Ontario"
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 7:21:35 AM Report

Good morning all!

Grump, stop talking and start producing.

Looks like senor mexico is not in the Christmas Spirit.

Drink and drive is an offense. Drink and write can be offensive.

Good morning BB, you're up early... are you in Hawaii? Or is just because the early bird eats the worm?

Merry Christmas all... Ho Ho Ho.

Me Myself an I 12/19/2013 7:54:43 AM Report

Grump don't forget about how they are kicking people out of the military just shy of their pension time.
Retreaded 12/19/2013 7:55:23 AM Report

WE should help pay for Toronto transit but those in southern Ontario would never help us get a 4 lane highway. Suck it up Toronto.
Me Myself an I 12/19/2013 7:55:23 AM Report

Anyone know if they have reopened the part of Bruce st. that was closed yesterday?
right wing 12/19/2013 8:21:11 AM Report

No College or University degree...perhaps you dropped out.
Not to worry.
Just a couple of names of those that also don't have paper to hang on the wall.

Srinivasa Ramanujan, Abraham Lincoln, John D. Rockefeller, Walt Disney....

...and some other neat facts.

"The average net worth of billionaires who dropped out of college, $9.4 billion, is approximately triple that of billionaires with Ph.D.s, $3.2 billion. Even if one removes Bill Gates, who left Harvard University and is now worth $66.0 billion, college dropouts are worth $5.3 billion on average, compared to those who finished only bachelor's degrees, who are worth $2.9 billion. According to a recent report from Cambridge-based Forrester Research, 20% of America's millionaires never attended college."
Wild Turkey 12/19/2013 8:33:10 AM Report

Wisen---the new quarters have just been released, and are very quickly being sold out.Go to and look in the "under $25.00" column.You can order 12 for $3.00 with no tax and no shipping.If you don't like them, you can always spend them and you've lost nothing.
Wisenheimer 12/19/2013 8:35:47 AM Report

Just think how much better off the military will be with Justin Bieber or Commie Tom in charge.
theprotector 12/19/2013 8:37:03 AM Report

or become a plumber and you dont need to know hardly anythng
shakespeare 12/19/2013 8:37:43 AM Report

In the last few weeks Grump has not been showing much of the Christmas spirit. He has refused on many occasions to give away any of his stock of furry rats' butts. Can't you spare one for old red, Grump?
Nice observation about drinking and writing, Bobby.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 8:42:44 AM Report

And that is an example of a bad hypothesis.
If the reason for getting a degree is to make more money it might be true. But that is absolutely the worst reason for doing it.
'Why are you majoring in that?'
'Because that's where the good jobs are'.
Job markets change. A good education does not.
So I'd tell kids if what they want is a solid job to get a trade.A tradesman license is portable and opens all kinds of possibilities.And as you point out they get paid while apprenticing.A degree in 'x' does not necessarily.
And you usually have a debt.
Too many kids go to university to get away from home and frosh week lasts a year.Bad choice.
right wing 12/19/2013 8:44:29 AM Report

"Text of Mayor Rob Ford's apology to Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale issued on Wednesday night"

Ford should just get some T-shirts made up with "I APOLOGIZE" across the front.
right wing 12/19/2013 8:47:32 AM Report

Good grief...put your microscope away for awhile.
It was simply some interesting information on some of the worlds wealthy.
There was no hypothesis.
Silly man.
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 9:06:07 AM Report

Yep, Shakes, I don't drink, but I'm also guilty of that sin.

Sometimes, I think that writing -for a person like me, at least- is like driving those huge machines, the snow plows; but not those little tiny ones attached to the truck, the real thing, those with plows that drop from each side and work in teams cleaning the highways. It must be a lot of fun driving such a monster machine, and it looks very easy when the pros do the job. I have no doubt, any of us can drive one, but can you imagine what will be left in our way to perfection?

Well, writing is something similar. In my previous incarnation, I did a lot of writing, but then everything changed, people, language, culture... and I found myself busy surviving and learning one or two words daily, because I figure that our daily vocabulary is not greater than two or three hundred words; and then I found myself in front of a keyboard that allows me to read what about 90% of the world writes and I can, equally, be read. Communication is faster and much efficient, here and now than what it was then and I know I've knocked down few poles and trees, have many fender bender's and got few tickets, but I keep trying till I get to perfection.

Important, do not forget your roots.

bounder 12/19/2013 9:16:17 AM Report

The Protector
re:Plummer , looks like a self description.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 9:37:42 AM Report

Funny what the threat of a lawsuit will do to encourage apologies.
Rob Ford is finally figuring that out.
I expect he'll apologize for everything from the Lindbergh kidnapping to global warming.
Guess the family money is running out.
theprotector 12/19/2013 11:08:15 AM Report

hahahaha, sorry I keep that bum crack hidden especially around some of you
redranger 12/19/2013 11:15:57 AM Report

I misplaced Azimov's comment that I posted a few weeks back. It is certainly worth reposting.
To any and all tradespersons I must say clearly that at no time have I ever said a university degree was better or worth more than a trade school diploma or certificate. It would simply not be true. Most of my children, nephews and nieces elected college over university and have thrived. There are exceptions to every statement and those who premise a whole argument on such distort the facts.
I certainly have admiration for Mallet for his vast and varied experience and should not have twitted him about spelling.
Shakespeare has said that I should quit because I lose every argument. Who's arguing. I simply state an opinion as do most people. And Shakey, I will borrow a furry rat's a$$ from grump just for you. (outrank me...Ha!)
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 11:23:06 AM Report

RR...the other advantage tradespeople have is that they can work off the clock for cash.
Try that with an arts degree.
Big Bad Bob 12/19/2013 11:24:15 AM Report

Intelligence appears to be the thing that enables a man to get along without education. Education enables a man to get along without the use of his intelligence.
-Albert Edward Wiggam
redranger 12/19/2013 11:28:37 AM Report

That is an excellent quote. I fully agree. However, you left out those like you and I who have both. :)
theprotector 12/19/2013 11:30:27 AM Report

what do you call someone who makes 100 000 a year with a degree in the arts?

a theif
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 11:39:09 AM Report

Perhaps ...but I'll bet he can spell correctly.
Grump 12/19/2013 11:42:45 AM Report

Shaky just for you I'll give OLD RED a big furry one and throw in lunch. You are welcome to join.
redranger 12/19/2013 11:56:58 AM Report

What about lunch mitten der Grumpmeister and me. It would be good to meet you so at least I can get the features correct on this damn doll. Just imagine .. fricasseed furry rat's butt au jus.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 12:06:38 PM Report

Hey that sounds like fun.
The Grumpenheimer is great at planning this stuff. I'll check with my social secretary and may be able to join youse.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 12:09:59 PM Report

I just realized I invited myself.
May I join you?
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 12:33:35 PM Report

Hey shakes,
Lunch at the dump with Grump!

Can't get better than that!
redranger 12/19/2013 12:48:21 PM Report

I certainly would be delighted if you did.
soowat 12/19/2013 1:22:03 PM Report

It's less than a week before Christmas and people on this site seem to have still got their "mean"on. Can't everyone have enough class to give it a rest for one week of the year?
66cherokee 12/19/2013 1:44:08 PM Report

Grump, I don't know where you get your amount of $700,000 being paid by someone over the years for their CPP. CPP has only been around since the 60s, and even then you didn't pay that much money over the year. My husband has worked for 30 years and he never paid that much. If you take $1000. per year(and it sure wasn't anywhere that amount way back when), he wouldn't have paid 700,000 into the fund.
As for Toronto transit, why should we in Northern Ontario pay for their problem. We shouldn't have to. Any money raised by a tax on fuel paid by people who live in Northern Ontario should go back into our infrastructure.
redranger 12/19/2013 2:19:32 PM Report

Does anyone know where I can get leather bindings for traditional wood snowshoes? Thanks for any info.
BIG BROTHER 12/19/2013 3:06:02 PM Report

I'm not sure about leather, but Sports Check, in the Mall, has a huge inventory of snowshoes.
Oldie Goldie 12/19/2013 3:12:34 PM Report

Red Ranger---I believe Joe's Sports and Surplus sells snow shoes and accessories for them.
Try them out on North side of Queen near Gore St.
shakespeare 12/19/2013 3:18:35 PM Report

Can't help you there, red, but I did get out for my first cross-country ski today. Ironically after the frigid conditions of the last week or so, it was a little sticky.
I would love to join you fine fellows for a rodent repast, but tomorrow I'm picking up my new vehicle at noon and then I'm gone from Sunday until early January. So, if you can wait that long, I'll gladly join. If I'm moving slowly when you meet me ,red, it'll be the weight of all those degrees and awards that is to blame! Heh!

P.S. I followed your advice on the choice of vehicle, stats. Anyone want to buy a 2006 X Trail?
redranger 12/19/2013 3:34:28 PM Report

I don't see any problem waiting until January.
Thanks to all for the info on snowshoes. I have 4 with 3 broken bindings. My new metal ones are at the cottage. I have to pack down a trail in my cat pen so the little buggers can go out.
Good luck with the new vehicle Shake. I don't count awards any longer but I don't find the 5 degrees to be too much burden. :)
redranger 12/19/2013 3:57:46 PM Report

Just needling you. I actually have only 4 and another one 7/8 completed.
Grump 12/19/2013 4:13:51 PM Report

Jan. would be good with me and I can let the furry rat's butts cure a bit longer. Fly of course you are welcome and Bobby if you can drag your butt up out of your man cave you come along. Now don't you old farts get into trouble over the holidays. lol
Grump 12/19/2013 4:19:00 PM Report

66 Cherokee , don't forget the employer's equal portion paid in and accumulated interest. I didn't do the math but read it somewhere, likely the Sault Star.
shakespeare 12/19/2013 4:25:09 PM Report

Is anyone else intrigued (I can't think of a better word) by the number of news stories that focus on gay issues, lately? I have google news as my homepage and in the last few days, there have been stories about the U.S. sending two gays as part of the Olympic delegation and then Brian Boitano, another delegate announced that he was gay (who would have guessed?); then there's the story of a redneck from a popular show that I have not seen about rednecks who has been booted for his homophobic slurs. India has retracted its decriminalization of homosexuality after four years and Australia's Prime Minister has come out against gay marriage laws, even though he's attending his gay sister's wedding. Now a Methodist minister in the U.S. has been defrocked (what a great word) for officiating at his gay son's wedding. Have we not got over this, yet? In the world that I have lived for years, this has been a non-issue.
For now, we share the head of the table, red, but I have this matchbook that promises within three weeks and no exams ... oh, never mind!
redranger 12/19/2013 5:06:18 PM Report

dammit, you're on to me.
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 5:26:37 PM Report

Grump, Northern Getaway has a green light. I'm ready to hook the trailer and drive right up to Fort Mc. Murray. They need hard working people with no english nor degrees, but you have to know how to count till 86 thousand, because that's the salary just for driving a lousy truck.

I'm also on line looking for boxes of pencils... to draw the line of my butt after 10-12 hours on that comfortable and ergonomic truck driver seat.

You can stay here, I don't blame you. Call me if you can get a dime out of these peoples pocket.

Ahhh me and my Christmas spirit.
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 5:35:48 PM Report

Grump, in regards of the compounded CPP contributions of both, employee and employer, I heard it from Ernie Eaves, and the estimate of a person with 35 years of contributions adds up to around $ 900.000 (both, employee and employer). That takes in consideration inflation and many other economic factors included in the formulation of compound interest.

Wicket 12/19/2013 5:45:03 PM Report

Ahhh, inflated egos....must be a guy thing.
shakespeare 12/19/2013 6:04:17 PM Report

Wicket: you are absolutely right! It starts in the urinals when you're seven and it never ends! It probably has something to do men having to prove themselves. I won't see you over Christmas, but I hope that you get the $2000 from your hubby that Ford prescribes and buy the perfume that he expects you spend it on. You are a voice of sanity on here and I appreciate it!
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 6:04:29 PM Report

Grump et al...after the new year works better for me.You have my e-mail address and just let me know.
Wicket 12/19/2013 6:56:11 PM Report

Ah Shakespeare, you know I appreciate you! Have a great vacation, enjoy your family, be safe and Happy New Year. See you at the next Summit/Social.
People seem to be more comfortable in a public space than in a poster's house. So far there are only 4 people that have said they would join us for the Annual Christmas Get Together. We will miss you
That Figures 12/19/2013 7:01:41 PM Report


Check out these snow shoe traps.

I've made these out of large truck inner tube rubber and they work great for a couple of years. They're not as lasting as leather/cowhide but there is no need for buckles or laces and the snow shoes can be put on without taking mitts or gloves off in colder temperatures.

Good luck
DutchTouch 12/19/2013 7:14:52 PM Report

shakespeare, I have also noticed the same reports. Big deal. Will they ever get over it?
Personally I don't care what their sexual orientation is. Get over it already. I am not gay and I don't care what the other person is. Do they still need to make an issue of it?
So what, let it go and most people won't give the issue another thought.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 7:46:34 PM Report surprise - I agree.
And I also like Duck Dynasty.And I don't agree with the guy's comments. So what?
What I find interesting is that Sarah Palin - remember her - is defending the guy's beliefs.And now another neo-con politician is saying that the censorship of the man is another example of left wing bias.
Good heavens.
The network pulled the guy from the show. They pay the bills and it is their corporate right.
I will keep watching the show and enjoying the fact that the whole family got filthy rich making duck calls and marketing it.
It is 'scripted reality TV.'Candy floss.
My father thought Archie Bunker was a prophet.
Everyone needs to just relax. This is a non-issue.
Wicket 12/19/2013 8:02:19 PM Report

My post under the story about Queen St W opening tomorrow, it covers more than just this story...

Bitch, bitch, bitch, really, do any of you know about unexpected complications, changes to the original work order, horrible weather with rain playing havoc and destroying work already done. Thank goodness I don't walk in your perfect shoes, just sick and tired of the perfectionists that post on SooToday., my feelings and comments cover more than just this story...

DutchTouch 12/19/2013 8:17:51 PM Report

Flyhawk, Archie was a prophet of the unimaginable.
We all had a good laugh but it was a sign of things to come.
The world has changed and I believe that sexual orientation is just the
tip of the iceberg.
There are so many more important issues for modern society to deal with.
i.e. Refugees of war torn countries are so much more at the forefront of our consciences. That's what keeps me awake at night. Damn those politicians who ignore the plight of these unfortunate people. We have no idea what their lives must be like.
W.W.2 will give us some idea. Nightmares are not just for the very young.
flyhawk25 12/19/2013 8:47:53 PM Report

Dutchy...well said.
And I'm guilty of it too.
Unlike some who just gnaw on an issue forever, politicians weigh in and buzz off.Much safer.
As I used to tell my students when they asked about news in the newspaper. Tomorrow's newspaper is blank.Someone will decide what is the day's big story.
And today it's TV and the internet and the hot story is about some rich redneck who thinks homosexuality is a choice.
Tomorrow it could be any story that will keep our attention.
right wing 12/19/2013 8:48:19 PM Report


This place is awesome.
I'm not usually cross border shopper but they carry everything for snowshoes.
Scroll down to the bottom of their page for the binding....and they carry a real good variety.
shakespeare 12/19/2013 9:01:16 PM Report

Peter O'Toole's death prompted me to rent Laurence of Arabia, again. We have watched half of it tonight, but my wife finds it too slow. I disagree. I find it a fascinating character study and plan to borrow "Laurence in Arabia" (a new study) when it's available in the library. That period of history has directed the last 100 years.
On the issue of the university chants and the study of non-consensual sex, I do have two cents to add. It is usually true that men are jerks etc. etc. I must say that on two occasions in my younger years, I was told "no" by two young ladies (different occasions). I respected their negation, only to be told by each, sometime after the (non) event, that they didn't really mean it.but expected me to force the issue.
It can be tough being a guy!
DutchTouch 12/19/2013 9:13:32 PM Report

shakespeare, I can only imagine your frustration at the time.
But our father's voice went a long way to nix the idea of sex before marriage.
Not that we didn't eventually give in to the demands of our ardent lovers.
It was a time of restraint....... something which is sorely lacking in today's youth.
I'm thankful that I listened to his voice although I didn't appreciate it at the time.
statusquo 12/19/2013 9:18:19 PM Report

Fly and DT,

I always wondered about the statement that homosexuality is a "choice".

If it was then anyone could just close their eyes and imagine "choosing" an intimate partner of the sex different than they naturally prefer and have been born to be attracted to.
I challenge anyone to try it and see how far that goes.

I've tried , but alas, even after several libations I just cannot get over the plumbing issues , as it were, getting it on with the same sex.
It would be grand though...imagine living with a "buddy", watching the same stuff on TV, toilet seat up or down a non-issue and very familiar with each other's "equipment".

Homosexuality is a non-issue. At par with skin colour.

flyhawk25 12/19/2013 9:23:21 PM Report

statusquo 12/19/2013 9:29:14 PM Report

Now stand back and watch the Bible brigade.
statusquo 12/19/2013 9:30:55 PM Report

And this will be my last post at number 65.....a 69ner is half desirable and half not so much.
statusquo 12/19/2013 9:32:23 PM Report

Then again.....if Wisenheimer is still up, it would be grand!
debo 12/19/2013 9:34:14 PM Report

Anyone watching the Greyhounds on #10? You would be watching #25 take ridiculous penalties and making several ill-advised passes. I've seen numerous games now ... I don't see any real ongoing development on the part of this player from the start of the season. Yes, he is a "youngster" ... but now supposedly a "veteran youngster". Several other players have grown in their positions ... I'm just not seeing this in #25's case.
redranger 12/19/2013 9:34:31 PM Report

thanks for the url
shakespeare 12/19/2013 9:39:20 PM Report

It's like saying I do not condone rain.
DutchTouch 12/19/2013 9:44:03 PM Report

Oh oh. I hope my younger sisters don't read my last post.
As far as they are concerned I was still a virgin when I got married. LOL
The joys of being the "oldest" and having the burden of " setting an example".
statusquo 12/19/2013 9:47:12 PM Report


Just in case your sisters missed it.....

"Not that we didn't eventually give in to the demands of our ardent lovers."

Hate me if you must, but you're a naughty girl!

(smiley face)
DutchTouch 12/19/2013 9:49:54 PM Report

Thank gawd for "the pill". !!!!
Bobby Nerves 12/19/2013 9:53:58 PM Report

Status, I'll BBQ the bird.

Brine it with apple juice,kosher salt, onions, garlic, rosemarie, thyme, parsley, smith apple and white wine.

I'll BBQ the beast after pouring one bottle of white wine and sliding for green apples in pieces, rosemarie, thyme, celery root, salt and pepper and two cups of butter... one cup of butter in and out the bird and then rub it with 3/4 cup of chicken soup. BBQ for 4 hours and TTL.
statusquo 12/19/2013 9:55:31 PM Report

The pill?

That little gaffer did more for women's lib than Gloria Steinem ever could hope for.
Not that there was anything wrong with Gloria.
statusquo 12/19/2013 10:08:42 PM Report


do you think Gloria Steinem could cook a turkey, keep a clean house and make me a sandwich after the "deed" and fetch me a "cold one" when I snip my fingers?

DutchTouch 12/19/2013 10:09:12 PM Report today's standards I was a "good" girl.
The "pill" gave us some independence from the stigma of being "loose".
Not for me. I still believe in being faithfull.
statusquo 12/19/2013 10:44:10 PM Report


I get that. I have a daughter. She is great.
The new world does scare me.
I hope I did a good job with far it seems I have. She made me tagliatelle from scratch the other day and I was floored!
She told me she learned it on "Youtube" a guy pleasure is a mouse click away at "youporn" have to get the good with the..well....not so good.

Today we have the internet and God knows what the kiddies are getting into.
We can't shield them they are smarter than we are.
But,trust me, they know what is fake and what is real......
The tagliatelle were very real and delicious.
She has a boyfriend and he is a nice kid.
In the end, decency will prevail. Decency is not defined by preconceived cultural (religious) notions, but by how you function as a human being and treat other human beings.
joewho999 12/19/2013 10:44:30 PM Report

Of topic
Yesterday The sanding truck went up the road,behind it came the plough truck,and scraped the sand to the curb, If that wasn"t enough the same two came back down and filled the driveways with snow and sand,me thinks Frank Manzo needs to have a talk with them
DutchTouch 12/19/2013 10:45:22 PM Report

I'm a good ol' gal, married to a good ol' boy.
Ta,ta for now folks.
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