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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Dec. 18 2013

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David Poluck 12/18/2013 6:46:42 AM Report

Good morning!
Today's four letter words are..SNOW and ARGH!

Bobby Nerves 12/18/2013 6:50:42 AM Report

Good morning all!

Status, I'm prepping my bird for the oven. Should I roast it, breast up or breast down?

Your advice is highly appreciated.
Grump 12/18/2013 6:51:41 AM Report

Good morning everyone, Christmas and the spirit must be near as the posts last evening were not too bad. I guess most of us learn a little as we go along. I occasionally (not often) know when to shut my mouth these days. LMAO. Merry Christmas all, have a great day. Off to the mines.
Jimssm 12/18/2013 6:53:56 AM Report

Good morning everyone.
Have a great day !

Just something to think about in our season of overindulgence.....
Grump 12/18/2013 6:56:28 AM Report

Good morning Bobby, always remember the old expression "tits up" and you have it right, put a few strips of bacon on the breast when you cook it. That was quite a meal we had Monday at men's club. I hope you know that after those three delicious loaves of bread you baked that this will have to be repeated forever. lol
Grump 12/18/2013 6:58:10 AM Report

Jimssm, overindulgence is good for the soul of old fellows, if not their hearts.
Bobby Nerves 12/18/2013 7:06:04 AM Report

No sweat Grump.
Jimssm 12/18/2013 7:22:16 AM Report

Are any of you stockpiling 100W bulbs ?

They're off store shelves as of Jan 1st.
Spellchecker 12/18/2013 7:57:51 AM Report
BIG BROTHER 12/18/2013 8:45:02 AM Report

The World Tomorrow, by Garner Ted Armstrong!!

Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 8:48:54 AM Report

@B.B.---Is that still on??I used to get a lot of laughs out of that one!!!!
right wing 12/18/2013 8:49:02 AM Report


A truck load.
I'll have to sell them on the black market as I'll be a target for the enviro-wackos.
My house will be the one that is properly lite up, you'll actually be able to see.
right wing 12/18/2013 8:50:38 AM Report

Wild Turkey

If it is it's all reruns he died.
Wicket 12/18/2013 8:51:26 AM Report

Good morning.

A reminder, would love to have some of you folks attend (who have never done so)

FOURTH or FIFTH (not sure) ANNUAL CHRISTMAS/NEW YEAR get together -
It will be on FRIDAY, December 27th at 1 p.m. at my house. (this is a change of date/day due to personal commitments).
It is a social for Summit (news/view/blue room) and Social (red room); spouses welcome.
Please e-mail me at if you plan on or hope to attend.
Zing 12/18/2013 8:53:27 AM Report

I will be there if I can, Wicket.
Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 8:53:28 AM Report

@B.B.----No way!!!!!I'm sure I spotted Him at Reggie's last week.
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 9:15:57 AM Report

Good morning.
RR in checking last night's archives I read your late question.
The answer is I think my statement was grammatically correct but obtuse.If you wondered my intent then it obviously was not as clear as I wanted.
The funny thing was that when I wrote it I was not comfortable with it. For an English major it was a lousy try on my part.
The point I was tying to make was that good teachers are born not made.I know and have known some wonderful natural teachers who had little formal education/training in the craft but still managed to teach many of us.
The trick is to learn how to tailor the message to meet the needs of each learner. Took me years to learn that.And I had some monumental failures.
But teaching over 90 kids a day for over thirty years I think I finally got it right in the last twelve.
But the failures on my part still bother me.
Wisenheimer 12/18/2013 9:18:40 AM Report

China and India are building an average of 4 new, "state of the art", coal powered energy units per week.
Meanwhile we are fretting about idling our cars in sub-zero weather, and banning incandescent light bulbs.
This is known as "feel good" cultural suicide.
P.S. Advocates of the above, fly around in private jets, have condos on both coasts and summer digs on the Riviera.
Left Winger 12/18/2013 9:22:49 AM Report

last night's accident -

good morning All, around 8:30 last night on my way to see the Hobbit came across an accident on McNabb between Pine and Willow. There were police cars and a ambulance, as I went through the scene there were two cars that looked like they had collided and in front of the accident there was an individual laying on the ground in a winter parka with the hood up and all of the emergency workers attending to them..just wondering why it's not in the morning police beat...looked very serious
Me Myself an I 12/18/2013 9:35:03 AM Report

Bruce street closed, looks like water main broke
David Poluck 12/18/2013 9:37:45 AM Report

In case anyone missed this story on CTV about our municipal is the link

CTV Northern Ontario: Soo Budget Preview
redranger 12/18/2013 9:43:59 AM Report

I knew what you meant because I know of your experience and qualifications. However, as you noted, it came across oddly. Merry Christmas.
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 9:50:47 AM Report

RR...and to you as well.It was a good example of passion getting in the way of the message but I appreciate you asking for a clarification.
A few of us have been there and when it works it's magic. But when it doesn't it still gnaws at you years later.
Right Winger 12/18/2013 9:52:57 AM Report

It took you five days to see the Hobbit?
Left Winger 12/18/2013 10:18:06 AM Report

Thanks for your concern RW'er but due to my work schedule it took me that long...damn near killed me with everyone wanting to spoil it for

oh well, was just wondering why the accident had not been reported on any of our local news sites///
Wicket 12/18/2013 10:28:07 AM Report

Left winger, there was also something serious on Second line, just west of Wellington/People's Rd, on Saturday. Nothing reported, I even contacted Sootoday and still nothing. There were fire trucks, big piece of machinery, police cars and traffic re-routed along Farewell Terrace
cathyh 12/18/2013 11:03:50 AM Report

I saw an accident on Thursday Dec. 12, on Allen's side Rd., big suv/car in the ditch, many guys stopped their cars and were trying to help whomever was in the car, fire trucks and police screaming to the scene. I haven't seen anything about it in the news either. I think most of the news agencies are relying on citizens to send in pictures and info as they have laid off most of their people. I don't have a cell phone so I couldn't report on it.
Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 11:20:08 AM Report

Fly--the lengthy discussion regarding the quality of teachers and the education system took me back to the old days.No need to tell you ,that there are good kids and bad kids (students) and there are also good teachers and bad teachers.I did an extensive study on the relationship between students and teachers and came up with an astounding conclusion.Based on what I was able to find,through popular music,about 50% of students think their teachers are "good" and the other half ,of course, not good.Here goes----
Good--To Sir with love--Lulu
Abigail Beecher---Freddie Cannon
School Days---Chuck Berry
Bad---School is out--Gary U.S.Bonds
School is out for the summer---Alice Cooper
And all time bad---Brick in the wall--
Pink Floyd Hey Teacher --Leave those kids alone!!!!
Do you know of any others to further add weight to my study???
learningaswego 12/18/2013 11:30:47 AM Report

What IS a "good teacher" - may vary from person to person.
Personally, I consider my best teachers to be those where I learned the most.
Those I learned the most with - at the time - I didn't really "like" at all. In fact, it seems the ones that were most effective, were also the ones that demanded and practiced strict discipline, and who not only were respected, but in a way - feared.
The ones I "liked" the most at the time - who I thought were "cool", as it turns out were the ones where I learned the least.
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 11:35:12 AM Report

Wild Turkey...sometimes we forget that first of all we were all students and that makes each of us a consumer and somewhat of an expert.
But we also forget that our memories were formed during our youth.And that colors our point of view.
As I told our young teachers -10% of the kids will love you, 10% will hate you and the other 80% will probably forget who you are.
If you have a need to be loved forget teaching and buy a puppy.
Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 11:45:54 AM Report

@Fly and Learning---well said---That's pretty much how I remember it.
Spellchecker 12/18/2013 11:46:37 AM Report

Wild Turkey,

Good - Be True to Your School - Beach Boys

Bad - V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N - Connie Francis
Spellchecker 12/18/2013 11:48:58 AM Report

Really good tune though from Connie.
Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 12:03:32 PM Report

Spelly--I must try to find that one.Now this is all tongue in cheek , so please,don't get upset anybody.When they announced that The new pope would be Francis I thought it would be cool for him to have a non-secular theme song , you know one that would appeal to everybody, to announce His arrival at various functions."Frankie" by Connie Francis immediately sprung to mind .Sadly, Miss Francis is very protective of her work, and will not allow that one to be shown on U-Tube.
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 12:13:18 PM Report

I went to see Connie a few years ago in Toronto with my 'squeeze du jour'. Reluctantly.
I was surprised and pleased. She was very good and did not try to be twenty again.
Heck. She's my age and wears it gracefully.
Oldie Goldie 12/18/2013 12:22:36 PM Report

It appears as though Canada Post Officials and the Conservative Member in charge of Canada Post really don't want to hear from the common folk about Canada Post changes---They have already implemented their time to 3 hours---before the meeting even starts.

All factions affected by the changes should have a say no matter how long it takes.
BIG BROTHER 12/18/2013 12:35:49 PM Report

No Retreat, No surrender.

The Boss!

We busted out of class,
Had to get away from those fools,
Learned more from a 3 minute record,
Than we ever learned in schools.

Love it! Used at a PD day and got a few strange looks from the other 'boss'!
soowat 12/18/2013 12:37:01 PM Report


Democracy is a word Harpo would have to look up in the dictionary. DaHaze just marches along behind him like a good little puppy dog.
soowat 12/18/2013 12:41:12 PM Report


School: The place where they teach students about democracy, while they run an autocracy
BIG BROTHER 12/18/2013 12:41:41 PM Report

Elementary school, high school, college, university...

Teaching them is like apples, potatoes, celery and carrots. Not even apples and oranges. Totally different approach.

RW, I'm happy that you have had the experience to teach. Now, try it when the students heads are elsewhere. Apprentices are a mature, eager audience. Like Fly said...90 students a day for over 30 years. The invited guest teacher always gets more respect, up front.

I think SQ should be teaching university. His writing is right up there with some of the best Profs. I've ever had.
BIG BROTHER 12/18/2013 12:50:38 PM Report

Don't put him in a high school though. And certainly not an elementary school.

sparks7 12/18/2013 1:12:15 PM Report

It's an awful tune but all I could find.

Bad-Schools Are Prisons-Sex Pistols

Bud Wildman and Cyril Symes were excellent teachers,especially Symes.

Oh well,I am off to buy a pile of incandescent bulbs.Thanks for the reminder.
sparks7 12/18/2013 1:28:16 PM Report

Oh Wait

Good-It's Getting Better All The Time-The Beatles
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 1:51:39 PM Report

When I began teaching in a secondary school in the late sixties there were no class size limits.If they could jam another desk in the room the kid was in.
There also was no curriculum or prescribed methodology. The model was from Ryerson - stick the cans in rows, fill them with product and get them out.
There also were no prep periods.One period for lunch and no breaks.
That meant you taught seven classes and in my case 4 grade nine and 3 grade 10 classes.No rotating schedule so the lesson you taught in the morning that took 30+ minutes usually took 12 by the afternoon because you were sick of it. That's at least 280 kids a day.
Try marking that.
A kid had no optional subjects. If you failed you repeated until you passed it.
I had some students who had repeated a course three times. Lovely.
Special education was unheard of.Regurgitate or hit the work world.I often wondered how many geniuses ended up carrying a lunch pail because they thought outside the box.
Every change that happened we had to fight for.
And does anyone use algebra and the periodic table in adulthood?
I had a friend who famously said he learned Latin for a month before he found out it was a language.
And French was taught backwards. We learned to write it before we spoke it. Imagine if that happened with our normal language?
It was a different era and everyone somehow survived it.
I hope.
66cherokee 12/18/2013 2:13:15 PM Report

2 things to respond to.
1) We are stocked up with incandescent light bulbs. Not only are they brighter, but in the winter they also provide us with some heat.
2) I remember some very good teachers. They had discipline in the class, helped when help was needed. Explained with words that I could understand.

My husband always talks highly of his grade 6 to 8 teacher(3 grades in one classroom). She was an excellent teacher, his grammar is unbelievable, sentences very structured. He, over the years has acknowledged her as a great teacher, with great disciple in her classroom.

Now, as for Canada Post. Only 30% of the Canadian population get home delivery. I walk 1.5 klm altogether to get my mail. Everyone in my town have to walk to get their mail, so what if you will be getting green mail boxes. I think that what Canada Post needs to do is get rid of all the freebies the management get. I mean, did anyone read Kinsilla's page in the Sault Star. Boxes to sports games, free membership in golf courses etc. Get rid of all those freebies, and maybe, just maybe it will help.
learningaswego 12/18/2013 2:32:23 PM Report

Had to walk to a neighbourhood mail box for about 20 of the last 25 years.

Then a few years ago some genius at Canada Post decided we needed home delivery, so they collected the boxes, dug out the concrete bases and had to re-landscape the plot. Probably cost them (I mean - us) about $10,000 each. In the private market world, probably would have been 2 or 3 grand.

Now, some genius (maybe the same one, who knows) has come up with a brilliant solution - neighourhood mail boxes.
How's that go? "Stupid is, as stupid does?"
And we get to pay for the stupid.
Wild Turkey 12/18/2013 2:39:27 PM Report

Re "old light bulbs"--Just read a piece about same, and apparently this "bright idea" was from President Bush.Their law takes effect Jan. 1.And here I was thinking I could stock up over there.
Many Canadians still stock up on banned lawn products over there.Not I- that is one area where I agree .The over-use of pesticides and fertilizer IS bad for our water.
redranger 12/18/2013 2:46:30 PM Report

Yes, teaching in the 60's with 7 preps was damn hard but let us not forget the poor grade 13 student at that time who carried 9 subjects and wrote 9 Ontario Department of Education exams. Your entire year depended on those exams since no term work was counted. And teachers of G13 in those days were rated on the results their students attained. I now have university students who actually protest to the Dean if 2 of their 3 or 4 final exams in a semester happen to be on the same day. There is a new phenomenon now rampant in universities (I don't know about high school). That is blatant cheating and copying on tests and exams, plagiarism on assignments. I have great trouble with this and will probably pack it in this April. Perhaps 53 years is enough.
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 2:56:36 PM Report

RR...I simply could not do it today. Plagiarism was becoming an issue when I retired and now with the internet...forget it.
You waste hours chasing the cheaters and then they appeal and get off with a warning.
I actually had one kid use a paper I had given to my department as a resource and when the teacher brought it to me I had to laugh - the kid was quoting me to me!
I transferred the teacher and the kid is probably somebody's lawyer or doctor.
The attitude seems to be -'it isn't cheating if you don't get caught'.
Or as one parent said -'well everyone is doing it' in defense of his little angel.
Wicket 12/18/2013 3:11:40 PM Report

Life is a learning experience, we are all students and we are all teachers. Some get degrees or teaching certificates and some use common sense and skills. A Ministry of Education degree or certification does not make that method better than the other, just different.
redranger 12/18/2013 3:47:37 PM Report

Believe me, there is a difference.
Jimssm 12/18/2013 5:44:45 PM Report

I've been converting over to LED lighting in my home. Huge advantages over incandescent and cfl bulbs.

- 40 times the life of incandescent and 8 times the life of cfl. (this more than covers their higher price).

- they are dimmable.

- not affected by heat or cold.

- no mercury.

- multiple on-off cycles do not affect their lifespan.

- more rugged than incandescent or cfl.

- very little heat emitted.

- as bright as incandescent with 1/5th the wattage.

- you can get them in any size or shape or socket type.

flyhawk25 12/18/2013 5:49:52 PM Report

RR...amen.And that brings us full circle to where this started days ago.
redranger 12/18/2013 6:34:37 PM Report

Have you ever noticed that those who denigrate university degrees are those who don't have any ?
shakespeare 12/18/2013 6:56:58 PM Report

To play the devil's advocate RR, it might also be said that those who denigrate trade/apprenticeship diplomas or qualifications don't have them.

Bobby: in answer to your question to Chef Quo, let me answer for him. Turkey cooking is not simple so here goes. Breast down or breast up ... a perennial question! It depends on Darlene's mood apparently and either way is fine. Slow cooker is the medium of choice, but here is the innovation. Forget the chestnuts or celery stuffing. A quick, easy and lefty alternative is a frozen pepperoni and pineapple pizza blended in a food processor with ketchup and the chicken entrails (don't take them out of the bag as the extra fibre is great.)
Throw in the potatoes and carrots unpeeled as that's the trendy way. A Knorr gravy mix in a cup of white wine (Ireland has a few beauties, I hear,) and your Christmas dinner is complete.
BTW: 36 hours in the slow cooker on "auto" if the bird is frozen!
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 7:12:12 PM Report

shakes...holy Gaviscon, SQ has a challenger.
I realize now what I was doing wrong . 36 hours in the slow cooker.
I'd get carpel tunnel twisting that timer that often.
I subscribe to the theory that gravy is a food group.Poutine is a simple start.
Gravy on your fried eggs is cutting edge.But keep the bacon on the bottom or it gets mushy.
Bobby Nerves 12/18/2013 7:24:51 PM Report

Let me tell you something... I've eaten, crock tail; crows fried with onion, garlic and Napoleon; snake on the stick; a certainly very high in proteins kind of worms; salad of ants eggs, and many many other frivolities... but I'd never eaten turkey. Well, I tried a piece a couple of times, but I don't know, must be because I don't like cats, and birds are usually a cat food.
Well, yesterday, I ran into the Chef... and Vir cum quo pugnavi a me currit... well, he answer my question with a question... Does your bird resembles Gina Lollobrigida, Sophia Loren, Ana Magnani or La Chicholina?

Here I'm googling turkey a la Monica Belucci!
shakespeare 12/18/2013 7:35:35 PM Report

My last turkey was an amazing price and looked just like Sophia Loren , but it was a utility turkey, missing certain parts, and I had to imagine Sophia with two drumsticks... I mean legs!
right wing 12/18/2013 7:40:40 PM Report


There are many university degrees that are real useful if you happen to run out of t.p.
Trades are not an easy thing to learn.
The days are gone when there was just basic plumbing, electrical, heating or ventilation.
The systems that go into the average residence today can be very complex.
The great thing is you earn money while you learn, no huge debt to pay for that "degree" and you will never be out of a job.

Bobby Nerves 12/18/2013 8:02:27 PM Report

There is a recipe I'd like to practice... Turkey a la Trash Can.

Very basic, get a turkey, wild or home raised, or just buy one. Remove the feathers, after you kill the animal. Cleaned, well you know how to get there. Put the bird on a stick, secure the stick to the ground, add fire in the bottom, cover the bird with a trash can and add burning wood on top of the can. Keep the fire going and cook till ready to eat. You'll know when it's ready.

Unplug the whole fire alarm system before you even get the bird.
redranger 12/18/2013 8:07:05 PM Report

Go back and read the posts. No one said trade certificates and college diplomas were not valuable. I have the highest regard for tradesmen and would never disparage any. I simply said that those who make little of university degrees are those that don't have any. Shakey merely looked at the obverse of the coin. You however, simply in your own inimitable style, proved my point
mallet 12/18/2013 8:08:30 PM Report


Never Ever go to England and ask for gravy on your chips (sorry fries). There are still a few places with a working rack and I would hate for you to have to buy a new wardrobe, now being so thin and eight feet tall...
flyhawk25 12/18/2013 8:22:15 PM Report

mallet -ha! Good stuff.
But not many people go to England to sample gourmet food.
Who would consider two sauces as haute cuisine?
I grew up with a mother who subscribed to the theory that 'cook it until it's dead' was good.
And I never realized that pork chops and lamb chops were two different dishes until I moved out.They were just both grey and dry.
nanag 12/18/2013 9:07:25 PM Report

My mantra? for the ritual of cooking is

cook it on high.. let it fry.. when the smoke detector goes of.. dinner is ready
mallet 12/18/2013 9:29:20 PM Report

Red Ranger..

I applaud anyone who can stand the dullness of some Universities. I had enough credits to go up to Cambridge,but after two terms I found the egos of some of the people I had to mix with unpalatable. I was going to another, however when my folks found out how much it was going to cost, the answer was "you had your chance and blew it" you want to go find the money yourself. So I perferred to watch the wheels go round, and never regretted that decision. Of course I did some other things, courtesy of HM Services, went places and did things I could never have done in civilian life, well not legally. As R W said, at least in the trades you get paid for learning, which is a favourite hobby horse of mine, why Canadian businesses like to import trades rather than train their own, I do not understand, but that's another subject. I worked with a couple of guys at the tube mill who were/had been to univesity and teacher training, but were unable to get positions locally except supply, one was working as a forklift driver the other was grinding on the finishing floor.
statusquo 12/18/2013 9:34:08 PM Report


shakespeare 12/18/2013 6:56:58 PM Report

that post is far more offensive than any of wisenheimers invertebrate grunts!

It's immoral, degenerate, fascist and pathologically note worthy!

What happened in your childhood to make you that way?
Did it involve a penis? Or envy of said object of debauchery?
I shall pray for you my wretched friend.

God bless and have mercy on your soul.

statusquo 12/18/2013 9:38:13 PM Report

Maybe I will be eating out at X mas.

Darlene is always fond of it !
redranger 12/18/2013 10:08:21 PM Report

I bet both of those under-employed teachers could at least spell "preferred". Don't brag about being a university/college dropout unless your name is Bill Gates.
BIG BROTHER 12/18/2013 10:48:50 PM Report

Ya see Red...underemployed may not be the correct term, unless you are denigrating someone. You have devalued Mallet and his cohorts without blinking an eye and more-so, you don't even know it nor likely care. You think it's more important to be able to spell preferred than it is to be able to flush your toilet.

I'm sorry, but you come across a bit snooty. Maybe it's just me, but your attitude sucks. You likely turned off more 'kids' than you ever turned on.

And with that I'll say goodnight.
redranger 12/18/2013 11:17:50 PM Report

You don't really have any idea what you talking about but you certainly have the right to say it.
sparks7 12/18/2013 11:58:24 PM Report

Big Brother

It's not just you.
statusquo 12/19/2013 12:01:31 AM Report

with all due respect red ranger,

But you do come across a bit of a "douche bag".

You're an acquired taste.
Potentially likeable with time and coaching...unlike "wisenheimer"....
"unredeemably" unpalatable.

Self deprecation can be endearing...I do it often .
Give it a try.
sparks7 12/19/2013 12:42:26 AM Report

Now, Now,SQ,

Hold it right there.

Wisen cannot be as unredeemable as you say.

I mean Santa likes him.

No lumps of coal for him today.
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