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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Dec. 17 2013

Tuesday, December 17, 2013   by: The View RoomWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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David Poluck 12/17/2013 5:24:00 AM Report

Hi everyone This is an open invitation from the Sault Association Ratepayers to all ratepayers to our annual Christmas Party.
Details are as follows:

Saturday, December 21st
Fresco European Grill (main floor)
480 Albert Street West (corner of Carmen's way and Albert Street West)

Menu includes:
Penne and Meatballs
Chicken Piccata, Roast Potatoes and Green Beans

$25 per person (taxes and gratuity included)
Several door prizes to be raffled.

Tickets available 705-253-2645
Please RSVP by Friday, December 20 prior to 11am.

While it is short notice, we can all pull together and make this event a success!!

Spellchecker 12/17/2013 6:02:23 AM Report
Grump 12/17/2013 7:01:59 AM Report

Good morning everyone and David and Spelly. Glad to see at least another pair crazy enough to be wandering around at this time of the morning. I'll never understand why so many people wait until the last days of December to decide to renovate for Christmas. Human nature I guess. That said I had better saddle up and get at it. Have a great day all.
Spellchecker 12/17/2013 7:21:33 AM Report

Grocery day today, folks. See you in the Soo. First stop, the dastardly WALMART.
right wing 12/17/2013 8:02:33 AM Report


Had to post this clip from your link just in case any of the lefties out there might miss it...and I know they would not want to miss this.

"Fox News Channel maintained its grip on the cable-news network ratings prize in 2013, drawing more viewers than the combined averages of CNN, MSNBC and HLN."
Wild Turkey 12/17/2013 8:03:24 AM Report

@J,C,----That area of S.Ont. was dotted with dinner/dance clubs.There seemed to be one at every third crossroads.
Did you ever frequent any of the many cultural clubs in Delhi? The Belgian Club had the best dances , but the German club had the friendliest girls.
Summer Gardens in Port Dover was the best of all.Saw Ronnie Hawkins and Johnie and the Hurricanes there.Remember Red River Rock?"The Island" at the end of the causeway at Long Point was pretty good too.The Causeway Restaurant across the street featured fresh Lake Erie Pickeral dinners for $3.00.That was a little rich for us,as it was about 6 hours pay.God times for sure!!!!
Wild Turkey 12/17/2013 8:04:37 AM Report

Sorry Spelly---Good times for sure!!!
shakespeare 12/17/2013 8:34:36 AM Report

Spelly: maybe there's a correlation between your link and this one.
BIG BROTHER 12/17/2013 8:46:12 AM Report

I think there is a direct relation between the two.

Question is....which came first??
right wing 12/17/2013 8:47:14 AM Report on shakespeare...your response was exactly what was predicted.
Of course that is the reason.
Nothing like trolling and getting a huge strike.
right wing 12/17/2013 8:47:57 AM Report

...oh's a hot spot, two strikes.
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 8:57:23 AM Report

rw...sorry to disappoint you but this lefty is not going to bite. Watch whatever you want.
So far it hasn't helped you.
Until one begins to seek diverse sources and think, analyze and draw conclusions the chances for enlightenment are slim.
But you would have learned that had you continued with your education.
right wing 12/17/2013 8:59:58 AM Report

This link provided by one who lectures about sources....

"We're shooting ourselves in the foot when we don't base teacher salary on quality of teaching."

In pursuit of the truth,

Johnnie-Ann Campbell

Now that is rich...if teachers salaries are a direct link to quality of teaching than Ontario should be pumping out nothing but the absolute top of the scale.
right wing 12/17/2013 9:04:53 AM Report


Continued with my education.
Like you did with yours.
I suppose I could have become a teacher.
...but wait those are a dime a dozen these days.
Just a degree in anything add a year of teachers college and become a teacher....well not these days as you can't get a job.
Wait a minute...I did become a teacher...on top of my many other skills...I teach part time at Sault College.
I love doing it as it's like a vacation day from my real job.
Jimssm 12/17/2013 9:15:06 AM Report

"If we want schools in America to have a fighting chance, we have to put education in the hands of educators, not the government."

In pursuit of the Truth,

Johnnie-Ann Campbell

right wing 12/17/2013 9:22:05 AM Report


Guess they'd have to speak to the Obama's about that.
As they basically stated that the government could do a better job...right down to telling schools what to feed the kiddies...cause the parents don't even do that job good enough in the Obama's eyes.

flyhawk25 12/17/2013 9:37:49 AM Report

'Teaching' at Sault College does not make someone a teacher any more than changing a washer in a faucet makes one a plumber.
Jimssm 12/17/2013 9:54:50 AM Report

I teach various aid workers on security while they are overseas....

That doesn't make me a teacher. Put me in front of a classroom of 6 year-olds and I'd want to kill myself.
Just Curious 12/17/2013 10:11:34 AM Report

AMEN, Jimssm...LOL..
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 10:33:17 AM Report

There are guest lecturers and there are teachers.
'Education' is from the Latin 'educo' - to lead.
When it is done correctly it is both complex and beautiful. And you can't learn it overnight.
If all that is required is a transfer of information we have computer programs for that.
soowat 12/17/2013 10:45:41 AM Report

More years ago than I care to remember,I read a book in which the math teacher gave an answer to a math problem that a student pointed out was different than the answer in the back of the book. The teacher's response was that the answer in the back of the math book was wrong.

Fast forward a few years and I had the same scenario in a math class I was attending. I got thrown out of the class for the day because I laughd uproariously.

Point is, this individual was a well paid ,but lousy, teacher. However,considering the number of teacher's I had that were quality teachers,and in some cases inspirational, I certainly would not slam the profession because of one teacher.

After all, I also had a bad experience with a well paid,but lousy plumber. The case was settled in my favour in court. Despite that experience I don't condemn all plumbers for the actions of this one individual. Incidentally I was not living in SSM or area when I tangled with either the teacher or the plumber
Retreaded 12/17/2013 10:46:32 AM Report

One local teacher I know used to respond this way when ask what he taught at school. He said:
I teach kids.
Wicket 12/17/2013 11:04:53 AM Report

FOURTH or FIFTH (not sure) ANNUAL CHRISTMAS/NEW YEAR get together -
It will be on FRIDAY, December 27th at 1 p.m. at my house. (this is a change of date/day due to personal commitments).
It is a social for Summit (news/view/blue room) and Social (red room); spouses welcome.
Please e-mail me at if you plan on or hope to attend.
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 11:16:25 AM Report

Retreaded - back in the day when I interviewed young teachers wanting a job I asked three questions.
1.Do you like kids?
2.Do you know your subject matter?
3.Do you work hard?
All the other stuff is just edu-gab.We did that too but those three questions pretty well told the story.
Then I watched and listened. Got some dandies.
It may sound silly but you get to a point where you can smell a good teacher.
The bad ones stink.
soowat 12/17/2013 12:55:27 PM Report

Heard this a long time ago from a family friend who was an educator.

He stated that if someone told him he taught them he would smile politely and acknowledge the comment.

However, if someone told him he helped them learn he was overjoyed
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 1:02:03 PM Report

So the Feds cut health care payments to Ontario to about 3% or but gave Alberta a 38% increase.
Please note Bryan Hayes - don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Boy it wasn't such a good idea to elect a member of the ruling party after all.
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 1:03:57 PM Report

Sorry - Ontario asked for an increase of 6% but only got 3%.
We must be healthier than Albertans.
learningaswego 12/17/2013 2:17:39 PM Report

Well, maybe just maybe, there is a reasoned rationale as to why that might be.
You know, instead of the usual, strictly based on emotion, assumption and hate, of the leftardian "it's all Harper's fault" response to everything.
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 2:27:24 PM Report

So enlighten me to the rightardian reason.I can wait while you Google it.
mallet 12/17/2013 2:36:22 PM Report


I wonder, could it be that there are now more people in Alberta than there was last year and less in Ontario. Could it be that Alberta asked for more and got more, because more are moving to that province every day and more are moving out of Ontario every day? How many "U Hauls" do you see going east and south as opposed to those headed north and west? Perhaps that could account for those numbers..
Or perhaps Ms Wynne would like us all to run so we become more healthy, so we do not need as much health care. Little tongue in cheek there!!
tuffy1 12/17/2013 2:47:33 PM Report

Or could it be that he represents
Alberta and he wants to make
sure they have lots to cover
his ass when it gets bootted
BIG BROTHER 12/17/2013 4:13:52 PM Report

Perhaps Harper is P'ing down your neck and telling you it's raining! Makes about as much sense as what your feeding us.
mallet 12/17/2013 4:18:26 PM Report


You may well be right, after all he is a politician and it is their way of feathering their nest, no matter what colour or stripe.

Big Brother..

If you cannot come up with a reasonable answer, don't bother, your tunnel vision must be getting worse..
shakespeare 12/17/2013 4:20:59 PM Report

rw: if you're back at Sault College, if you haven't got it already, ask for a teaching manual called "Lighting the Fire". It is truly inspirational!! I've forgotten who wrote it. The title comes from a quotation from W.B. Yeats: " Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire."
I don't think that good teaching necessarily comes from teaching credentials. Some of the best teachers I have known have been minimally trained and some of the worst are handsomely credentialed.
BIG BROTHER 12/17/2013 4:28:21 PM Report

You are insufferable. Tunnel vision!!

You are quite desperate to defend anything Harper and then you accuse me of suffering tunnel vision. Quite laughable actually. The article speaks for itself. Hopefully there is more to the story. There usually is.
BIG BROTHER 12/17/2013 4:37:47 PM Report

In all honesty, I'm not sure the Ontario Liberals deserve the transfer payment, based on how they've handled our money with a couple of fiascoes they've created. But, if it's true that they were promised the money and Harper is reneging, then that would be P, not rain.
Budster 12/17/2013 5:01:05 PM Report

Maybe Harper is letting Wynn know that she doesn't need the transfer money after the Orange fiasco??? That doosie took about the same amount of cash out of our pockets for virtually nothing as the shortage of transfer funds.
mallet 12/17/2013 5:14:40 PM Report

Big Brother...

You are the one who is insufferable with your remarks, you never answer a question, it is always a silly putdown in reply. If you took the trouble to look at what I posted you will see I asked the question are there now more people in Alberta, which means they need more money and there are less in Ontario so they do not need as much of an increase, now if that is defending Harper, you must see him in every news item
gcubed 12/17/2013 5:24:52 PM Report


My wife and I have attended your summit on two occasions. We both thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and I even got along well with Grump.

The food and refreshments were so good that I am reluctant to attend for two reasons:

1. We are both trying to lose a lot more weight and the food you put out is so fabulous that I, for one, cannot resist the temptation.

2. I feel that if you are going to host a reception of such a high calibre, you should be charging some form of cover charge to help with the expenses. It isn't fair to open your home to this large a group and pay for everything yourself. When we meet at the Tiltin Hilton, or the Canadian or the Legion, everyone pays their own way.
Wicket 12/17/2013 5:43:36 PM Report

gcubed, please do not let food prevent you and your wife from attending, I am looking forward to seeing you both again.
I enjoy doing this and do not want anyone to feel guilty about the food costs, it is inconsequential in comparison to the good people, great conversations and laughter.
I will put out veggies and fresh fruit if that will help you both stay on track - you just have to promise to not use the dip.
steelworker 12/17/2013 5:47:50 PM Report

Wynnes' next election platform will be tax increases across the board. The only company that will make money will be U-Haul.
BIG BROTHER 12/17/2013 5:51:28 PM Report

Have you read the article? If you had, you would see the Ont. Health Minister's take on the issue. Your speculation adds zero to answering the question, but merely comes across as someone who is an apologist for Harper, if they were promised the money previously. Regardless of all your possible excuses. That would be tunnelvision's definition and after your continual denials of doing so, you continue to make excuses for him. That would be insufferable!
Knight44 12/17/2013 5:53:35 PM Report


The population of Alberta is increasing at a higher proportion relative to Ontario, but since its population base is much smaller, Ontario is actually gaining more people, more quickly than Alberta. According to Stats Can, 2006-2011, Ontario's population grew by just under 700,000, while Alberta's grew by less than 300,000 (see link below).

In short, the opposite of what you are suggesting is happening mostly due to immigration settlement patterns. It turns out counting U-Hauls on Great Northern Road isn't exactly a precise form of measurement.
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 6:21:51 PM Report I wrote earlier - you can smell a good teacher.
I really believe that good teachers are born not made.
But - like any gift it must be developed.
Like me I'm sure you know people who never had any formal training but just had that gift.
That said it is like any craft. You must develop it.
mallet 12/17/2013 6:29:42 PM Report


How about 2012/3 or would that be another story. I would ask what the proportional increase is for Alberta as compared to Ontario. And why would I not look after the people who voted me in rather than the ones who did not, also what is the difference in population numbers between Ab and Ont. I am not appologising for Harper, he is quite capable of doing that for himself, I just have a problem with people who keep saying he is adding to the deficit and keep wanting him to add to it.
shakespeare 12/17/2013 6:30:49 PM Report

I absolutely agree with you, fly. You work at it continually, respond to evaluations, take workshops, network with others. When I think about what I knew(and my strategies)at the beginning of my career, where I drove a class of grade 10's to despise me, because they weren't as smart as I thought they should be, I shudder. But I learned.
I always felt that I wore the right deodorant, though!
right wing 12/17/2013 6:36:58 PM Report


Your post was bang on.
Credentials i.e. degree's or diploma's, do not necessarily make for a good anything.
Back in the day one of the apprentices I knew scored the highest mark ever on the provincial exam...he got a fancy looking plaque for it.
Book smart he was but you wouldn't want this guy to do any hands on work in your home...he was brutal at the hands know, the part that matters.
I attended Sault College as a student, at one time for trades and then back again for marketing and business.
Now I get to teach those in the final year of their trade and what I teach is very much a specialty.
I use a lot of visuals and I take an approach of open two way discussion more than "listen to all the knowledge I can puke up on you".
I measure my success by the fact that I get a lot of feed back and questions.
Many times we get discussing something is such detail I have to pull back to the main road in order to get through everything.
When we get sidetracked it is due to the students questions...which again tells me they are interested and learning.
Even on a break I don't really get a break as they seem to have no shortage of wanting to know more.
I give out my cell number in case any of them have any questions prior to writing the final and my phone does ring.

...but lets not forget...apparently, according to flyhawk, being a teacher at Sault College, even as part time as I do it..."does not make someone a teacher".
...and by the way flyhawk, washers are no longer used in faucets.

flyhawk25 12/17/2013 7:07:13 PM Report

No kidding?
I just call the super and get it fixed.Platinum pension you know.
I have no idea if you can or cannot teach. But you seem to have done well in your trade. Good.
Your rants get tiresome.
lookaround 12/17/2013 7:16:35 PM Report

"Leftardian" lovely and this is an intelligent person?
Please spare me the details of your thought process...obvious to me and oblivous to you, you have the brain of a cumquat. Enough said
flyhawk25 12/17/2013 7:33:51 PM Report do a disservice to kumquats but I agree.
lookaround 12/17/2013 7:39:10 PM Report

Kumquats or cumquats do have a place in society but as a contributor to a civil discussion not in a New York minute. Damn spellcheck gave me cumquat
statusquo 12/17/2013 7:46:18 PM Report

I could do 'things' with that word.......but I won't!
DutchTouch 12/17/2013 8:04:29 PM Report

The story of the residential schools keep coming back to haunt us and gets worse as more information comes out.
Today, once again we hear of the St. Ann's Residential school in northern Ontario.
Where are the torturers who are responsible for these atrocities and how come we never hear who they are?
It is unbelievable to me that this happenened to these innocent children.
It is high time the government owned up to EXACTLY what happened.
As a "white person" I feel sick and ashamed of these past inhumane atrocities even though I know nothing we do will ever make up for the suffering these poor people went through in the name of nationalism and commercialism.
To anyone who suffered through this living hell on earth please accept my sincere apology.
nanag 12/17/2013 8:37:46 PM Report

I read lookaround's post and saw "cumquat"
and thought oh boy it's gonna get good cuz Statusquo is gonna have a field day with that word.. and then .... nothing
right wing 12/17/2013 9:43:16 PM Report

My rant.
I'd say getting it back in your face gets drippy.
redranger 12/17/2013 10:12:16 PM Report

Fly: In your 6:21:51 post, you wrote:
"Like me I'm sure you know people who never had any formal training but just had that gift."
Is that grammatically correct? And, does it say what you meant to say?
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