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View Room Comments for Monday, Dec. 16 2013

Monday, December 16, 2013   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Spellchecker 12/16/2013 4:10:16 AM Report

WORDS OF THE WEEK


Budster
politicians

Bill_the_Cat
paid

Grump
consolation (not consultation)

mallet
whether, apartheid, precede, outweigh, hypocritical, leeway, monetary, existence, adage

Big Brother
guys (plural, not possessive, no apostrophe please, as in 'these guys miss the point'), hypotheses (plural, as in 'they develop hypotheses')

right wing
have (not 'of', as in 'should have had a team'), disastrous, too (as in 'far too fast')

Wisenheimer
subscription (not 'prescription', as in 'cancelled my subscription'), affected, they're (contraction for 'they are', as in 'they're being hosed')

flyhawk25
prostate (as in 'prostate gland')

theprotector
it's (apostrophe please, contraction for 'it is'), you're (contraction for 'you are', as in 'you're right')

Resident
throws (as in 'PUC throws away money')

Spellchecker
Kellogg

Jimssm
severance

lookaround
lo (as in 'lo and behold')

Wild Turkey
course (as in 'of course')


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Here you go, Zing*, and one for you too, Just Curious*.
Grump 12/16/2013 6:48:15 AM Report

Good morning everyone, still a tad cool but not storming. Trouble in the land of the firm hand on the economy. Kenney broke ranks and suggested Ford should resign after Harper told them all not to. Seems there may be a few real Conservatives left and from Southern Alberta yet. Joewho999, Thinking back it seems to me that any of the spinners I knew kind of flopped anyway. That said some did spin very well. Duty calls, have a great day all.
Zing 12/16/2013 7:24:54 AM Report

Thanks for the (*) star Spelly, although I don't post as much as others.

I lurk, to the chagrin of those that do. lol
David Poluck 12/16/2013 8:07:12 AM Report

Good freezing morning.
Long range says Wednesday is supposed to be -1..Ah, shorts and T shirt weather!
right wing 12/16/2013 8:35:11 AM Report

shakespeare

Thanks for answering my question yesterday straight forward.
I agree that what we do on this planet has an effect on many levels.
When I start reading about absolutes such as those put forth by the ICCP when it comes to something as complicated as our atmosphere and this planet, both of which have been here a very, very long time before us, my doubt meter goes on high.
Some folks want to believe that there are only reputable scientists and science with the ICCP and that it undeniably supports the views of the ICCP but I believe they are dead wrong.
There are many scientists and experts from related backgrounds that support an opposing view and back it up with scientific facts.
Many of those that did from the start took a real beating for doing so.
It is my belief that they will be vindicated at the end as time is starting to run out on the disaster predictions. Of course for some reason they get to simply hit the "pause" button.

...and your friend is absolutely correct, nothing wrong with fracking...but that is another issue that is pretty much impossible to convince some folks of without getting pounced on.
BIG BROTHER 12/16/2013 8:45:42 AM Report

Congratulations rw. You put together a cogent couple of paragraphs that actually expresses an honest personal opinion, without name calling.

Too bad, you're dead wrong though.
redranger 12/16/2013 8:53:43 AM Report

Spell
Why don't I ever get a star?
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 8:59:57 AM Report

BB .. you'd have to put together a couple of coherent paragraphs to prove rw "dead wrong".
Perhaps use Quebec's moratorium on drilling in their Utica Shale, to rationalize why it's best to get your money from other provinces, instead of making it yourself.
We can wait.
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 9:13:52 AM Report

SpellMaster .. "prescription" was spelled correctly and used as intended. As in needing medication to continue reading "Time" magazine. Stick to your knitting.
Wicket 12/16/2013 9:26:24 AM Report

Big Brother, no need to say someone is "dead wrong". Your opinion differs from his (and in this case, mine), does not mean you are right. I believe the changes in the weather patterns and earth as we know it are attributable to both the evolution of the earth and mankind. Common sense would tell us that millions of people and animals inhabiting the earth would contribute to the demise of "good things". However, the earth is constantly, and has been for centuries, erupting, flooding, water receding, raining, snowing, drought conditions, etc. Just read parts of the bible (not the religious ones, the ones that comment about the weather and the earth) and subsequent writings (fiction and non-fiction) that describe living conditions. The world, as its people, has been constantly evolving.
Having said this, does not mean I am right either, but it is my opinion.
right wing 12/16/2013 9:27:50 AM Report

Now that is rich...name calling.
...did I do that on this site???
Oh, the horror, the horror.

Wisen,

Folks like B.B. will do nothing but drink the ICCP Kool-aid.
It does not matter to them that this "panel of experts" have been caught editing information to support their agenda, had graphs and charts proven wrong, admitted computer models were off course, changed tittles to better suit their agenda, i.e. "Man driven" becomes "Climate Change", and the list is seemingly endless...but my favorite phrase they have now coined is "the global warming pause", this one works great seeing as how temperatures over the last fifteen years did not do as the panel of experts wanted...in fact they rose only a faction of a degree...but hey, lets use "pause", that works.
Truly laughable.
soowat 12/16/2013 9:29:10 AM Report

My car started, Mamma bought some of the really good coffee and I didn't have my name on the wall of shame AKA words of the week.

Life doesn't get any better than that
right wing 12/16/2013 9:33:43 AM Report

Wicket

Good for you for using your own logic.
Think about this...long before the industrial era Greenland was actually green...grapes were grown in Northern Europe...Vikings were allowed to travel further North than had been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice in the Arctic.
Yet suddenly the natural cycle of global warming is mainly, according to some, caused by man.
Spellchecker 12/16/2013 9:36:31 AM Report

Redranger, impeccable spelling is expected of some folks. I'm shocked when any of them makes an occasional error. If you really want a star there are a few below the list. Pick one.

Wisenheimer, I don't knit. I just spell check, throw in an occasional Bible passage to set statusquo off, and play the stock market like you do.
Spellchecker 12/16/2013 9:38:19 AM Report

When this crazy winter weather ends I'll also be heavy into the gardening and sailing. In winter I just have to content myself with the WORDS OF THE WEEK.
learningaswego 12/16/2013 9:47:06 AM Report

Read the article in today's National Post about the HUGE - I mean huge doesn't even begin to describe it - UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY, of federal public pensions. You know the ones that TAXPAYERS are extorted to cover.
Just the federal alone, is around $270 BILLION - that's with a "B"; and that is just federal public pensions. And that doesn't even include their very lucrative health care benefits. Add the provincial public service shortfalls, which is probably even worse - on a relative basis - than the federal.
This is what you get when you have spineless politicians and bureaucrats, and public sector unions, all in cahoots to GOUGE the taxpayers, kick the costs down the road, and ensure that this is hidden from public view. But eventually, a.k.a. NOW, the public will find out.
Combine this with the fact that very few taxpayers - private sector working people; the ones who mostly PAY for the privileged public sector - have or are eligible for anything even remotely close to the same pensions and benefits, and get ready for looming public outrage and riots in the streets.
Prometheus 12/16/2013 9:47:30 AM Report

Now this is a story that should send some of the trolls that live in caves under the bridges over the Dussel in the Neander Valley into a tizzy.

http://goo.gl/YEF9o3

This is just a sample:

"Quote The study concludes a typical CEO in the S&P/TSX 60 index earned 133 times the average industrial wage in 2010, but paid 316 times the income tax of an average tax payer due to higher rates at higher income brackets.Unquote


Zing 12/16/2013 9:54:48 AM Report

Right Wing

I also agree, to a certain point, that the 'doom and gloom' forecasts by those wanting to sell their 'green' agenda to local, provincial, and national governments were, and are, a moving target. However, if you take a look at the pollution in countries like China, and the acid rain in Canada years back which actually killed off fish and lakes, one might want to consider at least some sort of control over CO2 production.

There has to be a balance in how we get energy to power up our laptops and houses. I am one who likes the solar panel farms set up in our city. I also think that we in Canada should be the ones making the panels, installing them, and maintaining them.

We have a steel plant right here, yet bought our windmills overseas...makes no sense to me. Governments are in a race to go green, and get a lot of accolades for doing so.

BUT we have to pay through the nose for it.
learningaswego 12/16/2013 10:00:06 AM Report

Everybody likes the idea of "green energy", until they find out the REAL cost, and as long as they aren't the ones having to pay for it.
realitycheck 12/16/2013 11:05:13 AM Report

"I am one who likes the solar panel farms set up in our city. I also think that we in Canada should be the ones making the panels, installing them, and maintaining them."

Right Wing:
We make solar panels in this city at the plant on Allen's Side Road, just north of Second Line. They probably are less harmful than windmills but look bloody awful. I also think we are still paying far too much for the power they supply. People who put solar panels on their houses can get a return of 39.6 cents per kwh. I think solar farms get about the same although a figure of 43 cents was in play at one time. Since we pay a maximum of 12 cents an hour at peak times now, you can imagine what the future will bring if we go more heavily into green power.
AS we've discussed many times before, man is not the reason for climate change but is a contributor to it. It is obvious no one knows for certain just why this is happening or to what degree it is happening, otherwise there wouldn't be two groups of scientists with opposing views.
But something obviously IS happening, otherwise there wouldn't be so much interest in and political activity surrounding the North Pole.
realitycheck 12/16/2013 11:06:34 AM Report

Yikes: My apologies, Right Wing. My comment was for Zing, who was replying to you.
realitycheck 12/16/2013 11:08:55 AM Report

I even botched the apology. The latter part of my post was for Right Wing.
Sorry, Spellchecker, I am not trying to upstage you. I just don't seem to have it together this morning.
Spellchecker 12/16/2013 11:31:29 AM Report

lol
Spellchecker 12/16/2013 11:33:12 AM Report

:)
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 11:36:54 AM Report

Let's all just back off blaming the big bad unions for so much of the mess we are in.
Their job is to get the best deal they can for their members.Often they trade money up front for pension and benefit funding.
The same is true for big business. Their job is to make profits for investors.
What I have a problem with is politicians throwing money we don't have for things we haven't given approval for.Money we do not have.
So when I hear Flaherty warn us about how CPP payments will be bad for growth while the politicians get gold plated pensions and benefits I get upset.
I can't control the first two but can have a say in the third.
theprotector 12/16/2013 11:43:30 AM Report

So lets listen to the big oil and gas companies who say that there is nothing wrong, no such thing as climate change, man has nothing to do with it and fracking does not pollute ground water. If you beleive all of that then you are simply a moron!
Zing 12/16/2013 11:44:10 AM Report

realitycheck

I did not know they produced the solar panels here in the Sault. Happy to hear that.

I kinda like the Solar Farms...very geometrical. It's the Hydro bills I don't like.
Zing 12/16/2013 11:45:13 AM Report

Pot, kettle syndrome?
Zing 12/16/2013 11:46:05 AM Report

Sorry, that was for theprotector.
soowat 12/16/2013 11:52:10 AM Report

learningaswego

Instead of moaning and bitching about the public service pensions,why don't you admit the real problem. The real problem being that you were too dumb to get a public service job. Now you want those that were smart enough to give up the benefits so they can be no better off than you are.
theprotector 12/16/2013 12:02:05 PM Report

I dont think so Zing, the folks on here are all or nothing about enviornmental issues. You arrogant snotheads like right wing who will simply support anything that makes money whether its human slavery or devestating the enviornment. I have personally spoken with people from the usa who have lost everything they have because of ground water fracking and the chemical cocktail the companies use (which is patent protected and not subject to discovery) They have walked away from their property because it is worthless now. If you wish to beleive that fracking is safe for ground water then guess what category you are headed for?
Zing 12/16/2013 12:05:27 PM Report

theprotector

Still no reason to call someone a moron, that's a moronic thing to do.
Wicket 12/16/2013 12:27:31 PM Report

CHRISTMAS/NEW YEAR get together will be cancelled if there is not more interest shown in same.
It will be on FRIDAY, December 27th at 1 p.m. at my house. (this is a change of date/day due to personal commitments).
It is a social for Summit (news/view/blue room) and Social (red room); spouses welcome.
Please e-mail me at wicket_60@hotmail.com if you plan on or hope to attend.
Thanks.
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 12:38:19 PM Report

They do make solar panels at Heliene on Allen's side road. They did not make the ones installed on the Base Line or Black Dirt Road.
BIG BROTHER 12/16/2013 12:44:47 PM Report

Wicket,
I'm pumping rw's tires by stating he is dead wrong. I notice today that the IPCC organization is now the provider of lefty kool-aid. Yesterday he thought they supported his argument and accordingly, he praised them as the official experts on the topic.

But he did finally present a cogent argument about his specialty (other than pumps and poop)....climate change, global warming, whatever. And my congrats to him was sincere.

Having said that, yes the earth is in constant flux. Change is on-going with the environment, climate, etc.

The change the scientists refer to is inordinate changes. Happening faster than it would in naturally occurring time. The melting of the ice caps, for example.

I hope the scientists are wrong and we can keep P'ing in our drinking water, but if they are right and further, if they are absolutely correct, then the damage may already be irreversible. And I prefer to take the advice of independent scientists than on the Rush Limbaugh's of the world.
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 12:50:59 PM Report

TP .. aka "eversons" or "bag of hammers".
You are a perfect example of why uneducated, foul mouthed people never get anywhere, nor does anyone put a shred of credibility in what they say.
The red line under a lot of your words means they don't exist. Ask Santa for a dictionary.
Zing 12/16/2013 12:52:01 PM Report

Wisenheimer

Thanks for clearing that up for us; I wonder where they did get those panels.
Zing 12/16/2013 12:58:21 PM Report

According to wikipedia, the cells came from Germany.

"Q-Cells is a German manufacturer of photovoltaic (PV) cells headquartered in Bitterfeld-Wolfen, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany.[2][3] Q-Cells was established in 1999. Its core business is the development, production and marketing of (mono- and multi-) crystalline silicon photovoltaic cells.[4]"
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 1:01:12 PM Report

BB...I share your concerns and also decry the simplistic responses to a complex problem.
The question is - how big a problem do we have and how can we slow or stop the change?
Like you I fear the genie may already be out of the bottle.But just in my lifetime I have seen a huge change in the public need and usage for energy and fossil fuels.
We like to joke about walking uphill to school both ways and part line telephones but times have changed.
I still cannot get my head around folks idling big vehicles to buy a double/double when we can make coffee at home.
But my parents knew how to save and re-use because there were only limited resources.No one preached conservation but waste was viewed as foolish.
At the risk of sounding like being a senior - which I am - I just do not see a need for a car for everyone, personal cell phones and one bathroom per family member.And don't get me started on granite counters.
theprotector 12/16/2013 1:04:41 PM Report

zing right wing is a moron as is wise. Between the two of them they cant have a thought of their own. They are simple-minded people.
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 1:04:45 PM Report

Credible scientists have determined that the entire Greenland Ice sheet disappeared twice, recently. 400,000 years ago and 1.1 million years ago.
Al Gore missed it because he was too busy inventing the internet.
steve53000 12/16/2013 1:04:52 PM Report

I just got a call about winning air miles never pressed 1 and looked it up another scam on the island and they had a local # how can we let people know
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Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 1:07:55 PM Report

I'm simple minded, and you can't spell can't.
Oldie Goldie 12/16/2013 1:18:43 PM Report

Did any poster on this site actually believe that our Federal Finance Minister Mr. Flaherty would support any increases in the C.P.P. ?

Those changes could only help the common folks in Canada and that is not the Conservative way!

After all is said and done---An enhanced C.P.P. with money input by Employers and workers in equal shares could quickly become as rich as the Ontario Teachers Federation Pension Fund and invest in many projects to make more money.

But that is, obviously, not the Conservative way !
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 1:32:34 PM Report

OG...as a beneficiary of the teachers' pension plan I believe you are correct.
We hire bright motivated people and pay them well. And when we run a deficit we raise the rates for those currently teaching.So far there has been no organized revolt from them.
And teachers pay a very high rate for pensions which are indexed but do not include benefits.
I currently have a higher monthly net income than I did when I taught.But when I started I cleared $112 every two weeks for ten months a year.And I walked more picket lines that most workers and took a pay loss.
Living long is the best revenge.
Just Curious 12/16/2013 2:23:40 PM Report

Fly, you didn't even mention having to carry around those damn stone tablets that everything was chiseled on....LOL.. Just kidding, my friend, but your wage numbers make me think you and I must be of an age.. I worked for 60cents and hour when I first hit the work force but gas was 20 cents a gallon, smokes were 30 cents a pack and draft beer was a nickel.. (started drinking a tad under-age..:) )
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 3:03:39 PM Report

JC...well draft was 15 cents and you could have a lot of fun for a buck.And twenty was a new pair of Florsheim shoes.I paid double that for a prime rib this weekend.
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 3:18:49 PM Report

Oh boy.
The federal Tories just continue to put their feet in their collective mouths.
Now federal Industry Minister James Moore responded to a question about child poverty by saying that it was not his job to feed his neighbor's children.
He has since apologized.
Perfect.I guess he just misspoke.Or - he's another example of the neo-con real philosophy about all of us in Canada just getting what we earn.
And those damn kids are such a drain on profits.
He has since apologized.So I guess that means kids are safe a bit longer.

Just Curious 12/16/2013 3:23:21 PM Report

Oh for the good old days, eh Fly.I had a rural bread route in the late 60's,bread was 25 a loaf or 5 for a buck.Draft was 10 cents, a 24 of beer was 3.25, so was a quart of hard stuff. Coke went to 10 cents a bottle and nobody was EVER gonna drink it again at that price. Could get a 2 patty hamburger, fries and a small fountain drink for 50 cents at the beach at Pt Burwell.. Could always find a couple of girls that wanted to just go cruising in the old pickup truck and spent hours cutting up around a big fire on the beach in the summer. Ah, the good old days, and I really mean that.. Brings back a lot of memories, that's where I met my first wife......Ah shit, now that screwed that memory...:)








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Big Bad Bob 12/16/2013 3:57:11 PM Report

flyhawk
Marie Antoinette allegedly said it more gracefully: � Let them eat cake. � But she was the Queen, so she of course didn�t need to apologize for this wisecrack at the time.
Still a Queen, she did, however, apologize a few years later to her executioner when she accidentally tread on his foot on her way to the guillotine.
cathyh 12/16/2013 3:58:25 PM Report

I remember when one could ride around town for a nickel and never get kicked off the bus, go to the show for 10 cents and stay all day and throw popcorn from the mezzanine. The ushers would try to settle us down but they never threw us out. The theatre actually turned on the lights when the movie was over. Not like today when one has to feel their way down the stairs and out of the theatre in the dark.
Just Curious 12/16/2013 4:10:42 PM Report

cathyh, when I was a kid it was 25 cents for the afternoon and that was with popcorn and pop. they would throw us out after the first show and we would sneak in the side door for the second show, which was exactly the same as the first show.. You just had to see John Wayne jump over that cliff one more time...LOLOLOL...:).

And I should have said the beach thing and the cheap hamburg combo was late fifties. So was my first wife, darn it..Crap, there goes the good memories again..
shakespeare 12/16/2013 4:20:58 PM Report

It appears that sootoday now has a system whereby if you type your message into a word document and then paste it in, things like "" and' come out as numbers and symbols, not in the draft but in the final post.
Wild Turkey 12/16/2013 4:28:33 PM Report

And here I thought that #65333333 stuff was censorship when someone posted profanity!!!!!
Just Curious 12/16/2013 4:37:19 PM Report

Wild turkey, That's only if you do it yourself...as in F@@#%$^*()&%# it...LOL
Wild Turkey 12/16/2013 4:51:31 PM Report

@J.C.We must be from the same neck of the woods.While attending college, I had a great summer job.Driver/salesman selling soft drinks.They went for $1.65 a case,plus .55 cents deposit.The job paid $6.00 a day, plus 10 cents a case commission.So you could make some pretty good coin, down at Port Dover, and the tobacco towns(Delhi, Simcoe,Langton).We hung out on weekends at The Park at Long Point.It was 50 cents for over night camping, and the firewood was free.Those really were the good old days, as it was before I met my first wife!!!!
steelworker 12/16/2013 5:21:48 PM Report

Sounds like James Moore had a Trudeau moment. Open mouth and spew stupidity before handlers can insert ball-gag.
soowat 12/16/2013 5:29:52 PM Report

shakespeare

"65533) is the "replacement character". When a decoder encounters an invalid sequence of bytes,"

If that is as Greek to you as it is to me you can research it on the internet and fix it.

Or if you're lucky like I am and have a son who does IT stuff for a living you can call him and he will fix it.

Bottom line there's something wrong with the java script. At least I think that's what he said before he lost me and I zoned out until he fixed it
shakespeare 12/16/2013 5:30:59 PM Report

Unfortunately, you appear not to have any "handlers", steely
BIG BROTHER 12/16/2013 5:33:28 PM Report

Characteristic of you Steely. Only thing, you spelled Trudeau's name wrong!!
right wing 12/16/2013 5:33:28 PM Report

B.B.

Not sure what your obsession is with Rush but that is your deal.
You do like to make shit up I'll give you that.
I never praised the ICCP as the official experts I stated that they position themselves as "the" experts and those that want to believe join the band and listen to the gospel.
I believe those that do will dwindle in numbers as time marches on and the catastrophic events don't occur.
Read on the ice caps...perhaps you can explain to me why the South pole for example has expanding ice.
As far a being the keepers of this planet it is never a good idea to pollute and I have stated before that we need to strive to become better housekeepers.
Pollution, CO2 emissions and climate change all have some links but they are not as interwoven as many studies have proven.
As an example number one on the list for causing a green house affect is...water vapour (H2O).
All one has to do is look at how much natural CO2 our planet creates compared to how much is man made...this is a major crux on both sides of the issue.
So if you ever want to have a few and get into it I would be more than willing...with an audience of course.

...and for the record before you attempt to put more words in my mouth, remember I have never stated that global warming does not occur simply that it is not significantly man driven (if at all) and our planet is not now or in the near future on the brink of catastrophe.
right wing 12/16/2013 5:34:29 PM Report

...now that is a weird one...both posts at the identical time.
steelworker 12/16/2013 5:37:53 PM Report

I don't need handlers because I'm right ALL the time. B.B.- how do you spell Turdeau (my bad)?
steelworker 12/16/2013 5:43:40 PM Report

In other news Mount Etna is spewing more greenhouse gasses into the air in one day than the whole European Union could in ten years. Al Gore has offered to cap the volcano with his fat ass for a few carbon credits.
shakespeare 12/16/2013 6:21:15 PM Report

"...now that is a weird one...both posts at the identical time."

Could be karma ... twins separated at birth??

steely: I laughed ... felt guilty, but I did laugh. I will go outside and thrash myself with juniper branches for penance.
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 6:21:17 PM Report

steely...you are not 'bad' as in 'my bad'. You are probably a nice enough person who has a need for attention. Any attention.
You bring nothing to the discussion but
adolescent blather.
You are also incredibly ill informed and boring.
shakespeare 12/16/2013 6:25:38 PM Report

fly: I think all posters on here are seeking attention.
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 6:29:53 PM Report

shakes...certainly.
Of course I am not. I'm trying to...hmmm.
You're right.
All of us.
BIG BROTHER 12/16/2013 6:39:19 PM Report

Shakey,
In case you missed it, check your and Fly's posts.

"...now that is a weird one...both posts at the identical time."

Could be karma ... twins separated at birth??

Not exactly, but if you didn't stop to chuckle one more time...
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 6:42:39 PM Report

Damn .. thought it was my job to feed my kids.
Things you find out right here on Sootoday.com.
That grandmother we all try to avoid offending thought so too!
shakespeare 12/16/2013 7:00:35 PM Report

Conflicting use of tenses in your last line, Wisen. Is Granny still alive?

Now, I think a lesson or two in history, sociology and philosophy might open your mind. The evolution of successful societies has been inextricably linked to taking care of each other. Part of the decline in the US is due to the mean-spirited, non-collegial Tea Party mentality that you seem to espouse.
shakespeare 12/16/2013 7:07:57 PM Report

...and for that matter, why would you choose to avoid your dear, sweet, loving grandmother?
shakespeare 12/16/2013 7:09:49 PM Report

I've always found that grandmothers like to hear the truth!
Just Curious 12/16/2013 7:35:55 PM Report

@ Wild Turkey; I grew up in tobacco country, my Father manufactured farm equipment for 40 yrs down there. If I wasn't working in tobacco I was working for McConnel Nurseries in their prime seasons.. My Gawd,Pt Dover, Long Point, Simcoe, Delhi, Tilsonburg, anywhere there was my stomping grounds. Do you remember the Roosevelt dance hall between Langton and Straffordville-Maybe's Corners?? Only place to go on Saturday nights..Good times for sure. Left Pt Burwell one night at 2 in the morning looking for a coffee,wound up in Delhi at the old Grand Gardens at 4 in the morning before we found one ...LOL.
shakespeare 12/16/2013 7:52:13 PM Report

JC: a younger version of myself taught at East Elgin Secondary School in Aylmer. Taught one of the McConnell girls.
flyhawk25 12/16/2013 7:53:44 PM Report

It is our responsibility to 'feed our kids'.
But sometimes circumstances occur because we adults screw up.I just think that kids should not suffer for the sins of their parents.
If you have ever had any experiences with children in schools who are not fed and cared for you would do something.
It takes a village...
Just Curious 12/16/2013 8:30:00 PM Report

@Shakes and Wild Turkey, we certainly do live in a small world, never thought I would run into people that knew of these places. McConnell's was my first job after leaving home at 14. Under 16,40 cents an hour, over 16,60 cents, and if you were married 90 cents. Aylmer was my Mom's home town so spent a fair bit of time there. When I was a teenager the Hacienda Restaurant and dance hall on Sunday nights was the happening place to be.. Dad's business was tobacco farm equipment so anywhere they grew tobacco was where I was, even down as far as Trois Rivieres, Quebec.. Damn , Fairgrond, Frogmire, Cultus, Houghton Centre( where a buddy of mine drove over the cliff one night), the Sand hills, Oh ,the memories. Aylmer , Sparta, Orwell, Pt Bruce, Pt Stanley and the old Stork Club, walking on the beach half wasted trying to talk your date into taking a chance on an ass full of beach sand for 3 minutes of pleasure. (never worked for me but you tried)..The good old days.. Shakes, you fgotta be getting up there..LOL..
Wisenheimer 12/16/2013 11:24:04 PM Report

My Grandmother made it a point to feed her kids, come hell or high water. Having others do it never entered the equation.
She had 10, all depression era and the only time any of them missed a meal was in a German P.O.W. Camp.
Different times I guess.
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