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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Dec. 11 2013

Wednesday, December 11, 2013   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 12/11/2013 6:49:33 AM Report

Good morning everyone, supposed to stay cool again today. I'm sick of this damn winter already. That said have a great day everyone.
Mark Brown 12/11/2013 6:53:18 AM Report

Good morning Grump and fellow PUC Customers,

Citizens of Sault Ste. Marie who believe that the PUC should be providing drinkable water to ALL of their customers are asked to attend the Board of Directors Meeting at the new PUC Building on Second Line TODAY... Wednesday December 11th... at 4:30 this afternoon.

PUC President Dominic Parrella has confirmed (see below) that the Board of Directors have been asked to make a choice at today's meeting as to how they will give ALL PUC customers drinkable water immediately.

The Board can either:

1) go back to giving us the sweet, safe lake Superior water they used to give us before they started bombarding our water with chlorine, or they can

2) keep using the "free chlorine" method they started using over two years ago to treat our water, and immediately give each PUC customer, who still gets undrinkable water coming out of their tap, a home water filtration system, and filters, until the PUC eventually gets drinkable water coming out of all customers' taps.

Let the PUC Board of Directors know that you want every PUC Customer to have drinkable water immediately.

Come to the PUC Board Meeting at their new building on Second Line at 4:30 this afternoon.


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Dominic Parrella" <dominic.parrella@ssmpuc.com>
To: "Mark Brown" <markandrewbrown@shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, 10 December, 2013 9:02:44 AM
Subject: RE: Bring Back Our Safe Sweet Water

Dear Mr. Brown,

Thank you for your message. I will forward your concerns to the Board of Directors.

Regards,
Dominic Parrella.
David Poluck 12/11/2013 7:23:37 AM Report

I predict that the PUC board will decide to;
Stay the course of the current water treatment methods.
Not supply filters.
Continue reverse line flushing.
Continue to deal with the issue on a street by street basis.
Resolve well shut down issue.

A suggestion to anyone that attends the meeting.
Build a bridge. Be part of a solution.
Retreaded 12/11/2013 7:24:32 AM Report

No doubt...white Christmas this year....BRING IT ON !!!Is our local ski hill open yet?
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 7:37:55 AM Report

Just a suggestion, folks. Copy and paste late night posts to the next morning's offerings because not everyone stays up late enough to see them and not everyone consults the archive for the day before.
Jimssm 12/11/2013 7:51:50 AM Report

Mark...

'Undrinkable water' ??? Who is going to decide that ? Are you expecting me to pay for the filtration systems for whoever complains ?

I live in the east end and never considered my water 'undrinkable'. Expect good service from the PUC, but we have to be reasonable. Free chlorine is much safer than the chloramine that was used before. Your 'sweet safe Lake Superior water' was laced with chlorine and ammonia to make it safe.


First world problems make me want to puke sometimes.
Zing 12/11/2013 8:00:04 AM Report

That's right Mark....give them an ultimatum...that will put them in a good mood...LOL
Wisenheimer 12/11/2013 8:09:28 AM Report

No frills sells 24 bottles of drinkable water for $1.97.
David Poluck 12/11/2013 8:27:55 AM Report

I heard rumblings a few years ago but nothing like this!

Canada to Russia: Military buildup in the Arctic sends wrong message

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/canada-warns-russia-not-send-wrong-message-military-204648528.html
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 8:28:39 AM Report

Time Magazine today named Pope Francis Person of the Year.
How long before Rush calls it a Communist propaganda rag?
shakespeare 12/11/2013 8:37:48 AM Report

If I correctly understand the gist of Mark's concerns regarding access to clean water, Wisen's suggestion of paying to buy bottled water would be just grist (to the mill) [things of potential, use, profit or advantage] to Mark's case. Read and learn, Wisen.
David Poluck 12/11/2013 8:44:27 AM Report

Jimssm,

"If the PUC Board of Directors fail to choose either of those two immediate solutions they will have chosen a costly Class Action lawsuit which will see all of our water rates rise significantly and not improve the undrinkable water issue for anyone in the short term."

Threats?
I see you have decided to go with the closed fist method.
Good luck in your quest... count me out.





David Poluck 12/11/2013 8:46:10 AM Report

Jimmssm..sorry it started as a post to add to your post earlier. Came from another story post on soo today.
Wild Turkey 12/11/2013 9:03:41 AM Report

Mark Brown certainly got the attention of everyone with His perfectly legitimate concerns over brown water, coupled with the exhorbitant rates in the " usage water" section of our monthly P.U.C. bills.The P.U.C. can no longer hope these issues will just go away.They have stated that they will do everything they can to correct the situation.They will present an update at tonights meeting.The brown water will not go away over night but they are working on it to the best of their ability.Lots of people bought bottled water even when we had excellent tap water.
My last water bill was $5.00
"delivery" was $20.00
"sewage' discharge fee--$25.00
H.S.T. around $7.50
The H.S.T. is more than the cost of the actual water!!!!!
That is sad.
And people wonder why everybody shops in Soo Michigan
right wing 12/11/2013 9:06:45 AM Report

"1) go back to giving us the sweet, safe lake Superior water they used to give us before they started bombarding our water with chlorine"

I stated before that M.B. is a kook and I got scolded for it.
I stand by my statement.
The guy takes on any cause that he believes will get his face in the news.
I have no problem with folks taking on causes but at least be educated about your cause.
The above statement shows he is not.
In another post he made the statement that it was the PUC adding trihalomethanes to our water.
Trihalomethanes are created when chlorine comes into contact with organics.
Yes in some areas you can still smell the chlorine in the water.
This has gone away in many areas and will eventually throughout the entire system.
There have been 16 tonnes of ammonia removed from the water and they add less chlorine to the water now.
This is a good thing.
I have always been an advocate of removing chemical from the water once it arrives safely to your house.
This was long before the change over.
The PUC has made two mistakes in my eyes:

1. Poor communication with folks calling in. They should of had a team trained to go out immediately and help with flushing the water lines of those houses that were not clearing up.
I can train a student to do that in about an hour.

2. They underestimated the amount of time it would take for the change over and the length of time the free chlorine would react with the turbidity scale built up in the supply piping.
Wicket 12/11/2013 9:32:50 AM Report

It is snowing out (just in case no one noticed) and again the highway is closed. Did people, a few years ago, just have more sense and stayed off the highways without them having to be closed during storms. I don't recall that there were regularly serious accidents and/or deaths in the winter months and the highway was very rarely closed.
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 9:38:32 AM Report

rw...exactly.
Well said.
Resident 12/11/2013 9:38:33 AM Report

For the amount of people who are still having a problem with the water (wild guess of 100 households?) it would be the right thing (I think) for the PUC to pay/reimburse for whole house filters. At about $500 each that would be HALF of one of the donations they gave to Algoma U. and (I understand) Sault College.
Just Curious 12/11/2013 9:39:39 AM Report

Wicket, that's the difference between the old DOH and the private contractors that look after it now. DOH plow drivers enjoyed lots of overtime and weren't afraid of insurance claims for not doing their jobs..Drove transport for years in the North, good weather or bad, and seldom ever was the road closed. You just learned to adjust and slowed down when it was bad.....:)
right wing 12/11/2013 9:52:41 AM Report

Resident

The minimum cost for properly set up whole house filters starts at around a thousand dollars.
Jimssm 12/11/2013 9:54:00 AM Report

resident...

And who pays for these whole house filters for these 100 people? We do.


Much easier for these people to just run their taps as the PUC instructs and give them a credit for any EXTRA water used.

Simple.

right wing 12/11/2013 9:59:55 AM Report

Jimssm

You are correct.
On the reimbursement, for the length of time it takes to clear the water, in the majority of cases, it literally amounts to nickles and dimes.
There has been so much fanning of the flames on this it has taken on a life of its own.
If the issues were as wide spread as some of the claims being made, why are these protests not in the hundreds or thousands of participants.
Zing 12/11/2013 10:05:54 AM Report

Green energy initiatives from our Liberal Ontario Government...

"Ontario Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli unveiled Ontario&#65533;s 20-year energy policy last week, and it wasn&#65533;t pretty.

Expect a 33% increase in your household energy bill over the next three years, and a 42% increase by 2018. Average residential hydro bills will jump to $178 per month in 2018.

The monthly costs attributed to green energy will explode to $31 per month by 2018, which represents an astonishing 1,450% increase from 2010. " Taxpayer.com

You can sign a petition here:

http://tinyurl.com/nqbecdh
djjazz09 12/11/2013 10:07:34 AM Report

That's right RW name Mark a kook for bringing issues to the forefront to citizens of our town. Of course you would never lend your voice to any cause but you are good at berating others who don't conform to your petty way of thinking. Grow up please.
realitycheck 12/11/2013 10:11:00 AM Report

A news story today:
"OTTAWA &#65533; Conservatives blocked opposition's attempts Tuesday to learn how e-mails critical to the investigation into the Senate spending scandal vanished for many months before mysteriously resurfacing.
"Tories signalled they would quash an NDP motion at the Commons ethics committee to interrogate bureaucrats and political staffers about the e-mails the RCMP had been told were erased.
"Police were initially informed the e-mails belonging to Benjamin Perrin were purged when the prime minister's legal counsel resigned in March, as is custom when political aides quit. That's a practice the NDP also wants reviewed."

Why doesn't the government want to get to the root of the problem? If it has nothing to hide, why doesn't it fully co-operate? This is beginning to sound like the Watergate fiasco in the U.S. 40 years ago.


"And people wonder why everybody shops in Soo Michigan."

Wild turkey:
If everybody is shopping in Sault Michigan, who is left to wonder?
Wisenheimer 12/11/2013 10:14:45 AM Report

Time turned into a commie rag the year I cancelled my prescription, oh about 1980.
Skakey, checked a thesaurus did ya ?
PUC could buy the water in those horrible plastic bottles and deliver them to those afficted. You're welcome!
right wing 12/11/2013 10:16:25 AM Report

djjazz09

Bringing issues is fine.
...but bring some education along with you.
Now please tell me what I posted about the water in the Sault that you take as "petty".
I would love to debate them with you.
right wing 12/11/2013 10:19:09 AM Report

Wisen

Subscription.

No good Dr. would prescribe that you read the times unless they were a fiberal.

;)
Wild Turkey 12/11/2013 10:22:47 AM Report

@ Reality check--I Don't know---I'm in Wal-Mart picking up a 24 for 15 bucks.
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 10:28:27 AM Report

That was too easy.
Just throw that stuff out there and watch the swampers come to the bait.
Wisenheimer 12/11/2013 10:31:13 AM Report

Why does 20 lbs of oiled sun flower seeds cost $14.79 reg. at Wallymart across the river and $31.99 reg at TSC here in Soo, Ont. Do our chick-a-dees have single payer health coverage?




Wisenheimer 12/11/2013 10:36:22 AM Report

Rw .. I was sick at the time .. just out of Dr. Feldhammer's commie class.
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 10:37:37 AM Report

No. But their farmers have federal aid out their whazoos.Ours don't.
redranger 12/11/2013 10:47:20 AM Report

RW
Be careful with correcting the grammar and language of other posters. You made a beauty in your 9:05:45 post
Aside from that, I trust your assessment of the water problem more than I would trust any other in here. This is your business and you are an expert in this field.
Where the heck were you yesterday morning. My hot water tank died overnight and flooded a part of the basement. I looked on here for you but you were gone. An odd thing happened. When the plumbers came, they stated that because of recent floods in the city, they were not certain they could even find a gas hot water tank with top venting. They did and it was a good thing since there were 19 people here for dinner last night and the dishwasher worked.
Someone asked me at work yesterday how I handled the emergency. I told them I did as any red-blooded male would do. I called the plumber and left the rest in my wife's hands.
redranger 12/11/2013 10:48:43 AM Report

Fly
Males do not have "whazoos". Check the etymological origins.
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 10:51:32 AM Report

Well folks, because of what someone said about Kellog's Corn Flakes, I too remembered to finally google it. It fits the definition of serendipity perfectly.

You folks who constantly belittle the act of googling should have a look. Wikipedia has a very interesting article about it.
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 10:53:26 AM Report

RR...Thanks. I'll bow to your expertise. I learned something new.I guess I should have said 'asses'.
theprotector 12/11/2013 11:00:11 AM Report

Check out the chemicals in the bottles in the almost unegulated bottled water, I would be more concerned about that than our water here in the Sault. Its amazing that people cry so much over the puc putting less chemical in the water and still maintain or exceed provincial watwr qualiy guidlines.
right wing 12/11/2013 11:01:04 AM Report

Redranger

That's O.K., I don't mind getting corrected on spelling or grammar it helps me to become gooder at it.


;)
David Poluck 12/11/2013 11:21:41 AM Report

RW..I read this thought of you right away! Enjoy!

Trudeau says occasional gaffe part of being genuine, unscripted political leader

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-says-occasional-gaffe-part-being-genuine-unscripted-090016412.html
Prometheus 12/11/2013 11:26:43 AM Report

Redranger re: comment on &#65533;wahzoo&#65533;

Can you provide a good source for the etymological origins you refer?

1. These articles would disagree with you: http://goo.gl/HymZLK and http://goo.gl/V6yfxF

2. If your statement is correct and referenced back to Flyhawk&#65533;s comment at 10:37, then you are implying that only males can be farmers. The political correctness of this may be questioned by some readers.
Zing 12/11/2013 11:28:12 AM Report

You mean wahzoo?
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 11:39:41 AM Report

wazoo - slang for ass
whazoo - slang for god
wahzoo - musical device
Just Curious 12/11/2013 11:40:10 AM Report

Canada Post phasing out home delivery over the next 5 years..... Should have done it years ago altho it will make it tough for those that are unable to walk for whatever reason. When I had my place in Goulais a few years back I had to drive or walk to my community mail box and it didn't cause any hardship...
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 11:41:21 AM Report

See what I mean. Thanks to redranger I googled it all.
Mark Brown 12/11/2013 11:41:56 AM Report

Hi all,

It's messy out there driving people around today... thank goodness for my lunch break.

right wing, there's an easy test to determine whether or not a PUC customer should get a fully paid home filtration system and filters until the problem is solved... If a dog won't drink the water then the PUC customer gets a filtration system.

Simple.

Not only do certain posters here in the VRoom think that it's okay for certain PUC to pay good money out of their own pockets to get drinkable water that the PUC is not providing them, and hasn't been providing them for over two years... now those posters want the PUC customers with undrinkable water to pay to build bridges???

Sheesh. Who's not getting the drinkable water here???

And Jimmssm, we live in a 1st world country and all of us are paying 1st world money to get the basic necessity of drinkable water, that only some of us are getting.

And this is fair how Jimssm?

I don't care what any of you people say, customer service SUCKS until every single solitary PUC Customer gets the drinkable water they are paying for.

Hopefully the Board of Directors will choose to give ever PUC customer drinkable water tonight.

Hope to see you all there at the PUC Building on Second Line at 4:30 this afternoon.

Sincerely and Respectfully,
Mark Brown
CitizensFirst@shaw.ca
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 11:44:01 AM Report

Just Curious, there goes my daughter's job. Kellog's, Heinz, Postal Service, who's next, Essar Algoma?
Wild Turkey 12/11/2013 11:49:49 AM Report

Re Time's Man of the Year. The Cyrus girl was one of the top ten candidates and should have easily captured that honour, based on u tube hits alone.She was by far the most "popular"She may never get another "shot" at it.The fellow that won the honour hopefully will have many, many more years to capture the prize.As they say "Time will tell"
bounder 12/11/2013 11:51:10 AM Report

Hey, things are looking up, 98 days and 7 hours till spring .
Just Curious 12/11/2013 11:53:58 AM Report

Spelly, according to the article most of the down-sizing will be through attrition so it won't be such a bad thing. There will still be quite a staff needed to deliver to the community boxes and apartment buildings and I kinda think businesses as well. As for Essar Algoma, I think that is only a matter of time. With employees demanding and getting more money and benefits with every contract Essar will soon be in an untenable position and be forced to move production elsewhere and they can, as they have similar operations all over the world. :-(
Prometheus 12/11/2013 11:54:03 AM Report

Zing

Your are correct. I used a different spelling than Redranger and this resulted a somewhat different meaning.

As Spelly noted there are different spellings of a similar sounding word. Some sources cite different meanings while others note differences in regional spelling but with a common definition.

In my neck of the woods, urban slang use of the term wahzoo usually refers to the butt-end of both sexes.
Jimssm 12/11/2013 11:58:16 AM Report

@Mark

What about the water isn't drinkable ?

Brown water ? Run you taps (as instructed).
Taste ? buy a Brita.

Do you prefer they go back to the old system and add 30% MORE chlorine to our water supply ? Then add ammonia too.

With the old system every school in the city was running their taps before school to get rid of the lead leaching into our children's water. That is no longer a problem.


If you want to protest, go talk to the Ontario Government that changed the regulations after Walkerton.


Did the PUC handle it well ? No. But this water issue has been blown completely out of proportion.


My cats and dog drink the water so I guess I don't get a whole house filter.

.... but they drink out of the toilet so they musn't be too fussy.

Just Curious 12/11/2013 12:18:14 PM Report

Jimssm, That's funny and I agree totally. Although now I live in the core area I lived in the east end for a couple of months early this fall and had no problems with color..And my dog will stop and stand in the middle of a mud puddle and drink his fill so I don't think they care about the color, it's the owners...:)
Zing 12/11/2013 12:39:18 PM Report

Prometheus

I used your spelling and found it to mean a man's penis of a considerable length.

I've seen several variations of both spelling and definition, all for one word.
redranger 12/11/2013 1:03:17 PM Report

The French with their flair for descriptive terminology called a certain part of the female anatomy a"petite oiseau". British and Americans being illiterate in all languages bastardized the word to wazoo because it sounded somewhat like that. So, I ain't got one.
redranger 12/11/2013 1:04:34 PM Report

Now, does anyone wish to argue about the correct end of the egg to open? Oh never mind. I have to go to work.
redranger 12/11/2013 1:05:34 PM Report

Prometheus
Go roll a rock.
cathyh 12/11/2013 1:27:45 PM Report

About the Canada Post decision to stop home delivery of mail; will I have to go to a community box and pick up loads of junk mail? If I don't get to the community box for say a week or so, will the junk mail clog my delivery box and will the mail stop coming? Just wondering.
soowat 12/11/2013 1:45:11 PM Report

RE: right wing's POST AT 12/11/2013 9:06:45 AM
I wholeheartedly agree
Wild Turkey 12/11/2013 1:48:01 PM Report

Cathyh----hopefully they will provide a trash can nearby to accommodate about 90% of our mail.Bonus---people can deposit their Tim Hortin cups in there too.
lookaround 12/11/2013 1:54:03 PM Report

I was wondering if we no longer have door to door delivery and we are saving 500 million shouldn't the savings go into a much needed tax break after all Harper hasn't given us one YET and he might as well leave a small legacy because he is out the door next election. Time for a change.
T-rat 12/11/2013 2:01:37 PM Report

Something to take you mind away from politics, brown water and whatever else has been bugging your butt. This guy is a great storyteller but if Christmas isn't your thing, skip it and go on 'grinching'.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WxjZB5S_g7s?rel=0
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 2:37:30 PM Report

I ran into Grump at lunch today and did not recognize him in his work clothes.
You don't see many folks at a restaurant in chain mail with a sack of invertebrates under his arm.
He explained he was on a swamp diet until the 25th.
He let me peek in the bag and now I can put faces to names.
We both had a laugh over what SQ could do to that dish.
Resident 12/11/2013 3:16:07 PM Report

R.W. You say the price of a whole house filter is $1000.00? That's interesting because you quoted me $450.00 for a whole house filter that does require periodic filter replacement.

I guess the people who have strong chlorene odour and taste should buy a brita and bathe in pool water while the PUC throughs away money and raises prices (not to mention their castle and high salaries).
Grump 12/11/2013 3:59:01 PM Report

Hey everyone Fly is just trying to joke his way out of something. I ran into him having lunch with a lovely young lady. The kind of young lady that anyone would be proud to be out at lunch with. I think he is a fellow that we all need to be watching. Lol
Just Curious 12/11/2013 4:11:52 PM Report

So Mark wants a class action lawsuit against the PUC but won't join it.. So if they (people) lose they can be out thousands of dollars, maybe lose their house, brown water and all, and Mark can sit back and say "Oh Well", and then be off on another thread next week.. Yup, that sounds like a helluva deal....:)
shakespeare 12/11/2013 4:24:17 PM Report

So are you saying that Brown's water is not brown, but he's an activist for non-Browns whose water is brown. Surely we can come up with a green solution.
See that I can put the signs and petrol bombs away for another month, as no decision will be made today.
right wing 12/11/2013 4:36:03 PM Report

".... but they drink out of the toilet so they musn't be too fussy."

Jimssm,

Now that was funny.
Thanks for my laugh of the day.
right wing 12/11/2013 4:37:29 PM Report

Resident

I quoted you?
When was I at your house?
right wing 12/11/2013 4:44:48 PM Report

"My name will not be on the Class Action lawsuit. I have received drinkable water from the PUC for about two years now," says Brown.

This guy is priceless.

I want you to answer a question for me "Mr Champion of Causes".
Exactly how many people are still complaining about brown water and what is the occurrence frequency.
As an organizer and champion of this issue you should have those numbers at your fingertips.



Zing 12/11/2013 4:52:29 PM Report

Damn, RW gets the niner!
right wing 12/11/2013 4:55:44 PM Report

Really....I never even noticed.
shakespeare 12/11/2013 5:10:32 PM Report

Try pomegranates, rw. They help men who reach that age.
BTW is a whole house filter installed before or after the meter and how big is it?
Oldie Goldie 12/11/2013 5:18:24 PM Report

Just Curious---Have you any idea how many people in our City WILL find it a hardship to walk to a Community Box for their mail, especially in weather like this ?

Not everyone is as fit and able as you !

Some rural residents have problems getting their mail from a Rural Box now and getting older doesn't make it any easier.

Many cities will face more Injury Lawsuits unless the roads and sidewalks are cleaned better than they are now and Canada Post will not bear responsibility for that !

Hiring outside Contractors---on Contracts---to deliver to these Community Boxes will not save a lot of money and the sorting and handling before the Contractor even gets the mail will still have to be done.

Just recently Canada Post will not sort local mail but send it out to Toronto and then back to the Soo---boy that is progress !
right wing 12/11/2013 5:25:44 PM Report

shakespeare

After the meter.
If you choose replaceable filter cartridges you will need a wall area approx 2'H x 4'w.
If you choose self cleaning back washing conditioners...you need a floor area approx. 4'w x 2' depth x minimum 72" height.
Plus a standard 120V outlet and a backwash line needs to be run to drain.

right wing 12/11/2013 5:27:26 PM Report

Oldie Goldie

Rural mail delivery is already done by outside contractors...they are not direct employees of Canada Post.
shakespeare 12/11/2013 5:30:14 PM Report

Oldie: I agree with you! Nearly every younger person I know is tech-savvy and nearly all mail (bills, Christmas greetings etc., etc.,) are done electronically. I am trying to work more in that direction, so that nearly all mail in the box will be junk mail, that I can do without. The elderly who rely on the snail mail will be the ones who suffer most.
right wing 12/11/2013 5:30:26 PM Report

...and Oldie, the mail is still sorted by the Postal worker each morning for their designated walk.
The bulk mail used to be sorted in Sudbury designated to the city and then sent in bulk to the Sault.
They simply switched the avenue via Toronto.
Just Curious 12/11/2013 5:35:59 PM Report

Sorry you feel that way Oldie, but exercise won't hurt a lot of people, and a lot of people already have this service in brand new subdivions. The thought of paying 1:00 for a stamp pisses me off more than anything else.. And just so you know, I have had 5 heart attacks,3 surgeries for that, a radical prostatectomy surgery, a hernia and am on the books regarding testicular cancer... To say not everyone is in my condition is an understatement anyway you look at it.. I, personally will be glad to be able to walk to get my mail.. By the way, I thank my dog every day for the shape I'm in, able to go out and walk and enjoy the world, such as it is.. He has never gave up on me... LOL :).
right wing 12/11/2013 5:37:50 PM Report

Just Curious

I think you need to change you moniker to "What A Trooper"!
Just Curious 12/11/2013 5:40:17 PM Report

PS;for those that care, I am 71 yrs old and can't quit yet, there are too many people to piss off yet... lolol :).
shakespeare 12/11/2013 5:41:38 PM Report

Thank you, rw. I think that as the meter is close to the inside wall of a (damn) crawl space, the first option is the only one. I really think that if we stay in the Soo (which is becoming less likely), I'll want one and I'll get back to you.
Just Curious 12/11/2013 5:48:36 PM Report

Thanks RW..I will take that as a compliment....:)
Canna D. Yenn 12/11/2013 5:52:34 PM Report

Now there's a business opportunity for some young buck... Deliver your mail from the community mail box to your home.
right wing 12/11/2013 5:59:25 PM Report

shakespeare

No problem, you ever need some advice I will be there.
Crawl space in many cases may not matter...we often run water lines to another location and then to service.
Hope you don't move...the Sault needs to keep its upstanding citizens.
right wing 12/11/2013 5:59:52 PM Report

Just Curious

You took it as it was meant.
statusquo 12/11/2013 6:15:51 PM Report

careful out there folks...it's slippery ...snow tires or not!

I hit a cute kitty-kat today . Dead as a door knob!

But, after 15 seconds of mourning and telling the owner to "get over it" I convinced him to hand over the carcass.

I was planning on "boeuf bourguignon" for dinner but it was easily changed to "chat bourguignon" in a pinch.
The moral of the story is the same... get your ABS trouble code fixed, post haste and do not crowd the pan when saut&#65533;ing the chanterelles.
And living in the east end, I can save on beef broth as the tap water has the perfect hue of brown goodness.
Oldie Goldie 12/11/2013 6:20:51 PM Report

Right Wing---You missed my point completely----I am well aware that Rural Delivery is done by Contractors and Mail pickup is also on Contracts but to add to those Contracts delivery and pick up mail to Community Boxes for those who now have home delivery will not save much money and make many more people walk to Community Boxes that did not have to before.

This is where the problems begin when the Weather is like it is to-day.

I chose, many years ago, to live in Urban areas where my taxes are higher than Rural Areas because I got more services than Rural people get and I paid for them.

Next thing you know we will have to walk to a nearby Well to get our water and carry it home just like many people did years ago---especially with all our water problems now.

Then we could all buy Snow Blowers and blow the roads too---That would save a lot of money.

We also could dig our own wells for our own water---perfect---a Water pump in every back yard.

I know I am being a little facetious but Canada Post is putting burdens on a lot more people now than they ever did before.

Higher Stamp prices and a lot less Service.

I meet with a lot of older people on a regular routine---many of them are in wheel chairs or use Rollators---just try using them to go to a Community Mailbox through 5 months of Winter.
Jimssm 12/11/2013 6:21:16 PM Report

Stats....

I'm sure my boys have a good recipe...






Irishfey... don't jump on me, it's a joke...lol
right wing 12/11/2013 6:26:44 PM Report

Oldie Goldie

I forgot to whom I was dealing with.
You are correct I was wrong...lets just let Canada Post go over a billion dollars in debt to service a small percentage that cannot get to the corner pick up box.
They must have no family, friends or neighbors that like them.
Have a good day.
...just in closing to you...I was at a home the other day and the lady who owned it....in her late 70's maybe early 80's...was running her computer like a champion...said she does all her bill paying on it...even talks to all her kids and grandkids using Skype...imagine that.
shakespeare 12/11/2013 6:28:31 PM Report

There seem to be a lot of unwanted numbers appearing in people's posts in the last day or so. Is it part of the American surveillance?

I appreciate being considered an upstanding citizen, rw. I hope you are not just referencing the pomegranates.


JC: joking aside, that fruit is supposed to be very beneficial to help prevent prostate cancer and as an ongoing help if you have or have had it. No, I don't work for the pomegranate marketing board. Good deal at Basics this week. 97 cents each!
Spellchecker 12/11/2013 6:33:07 PM Report

Right wing, does this mean that you are bailing from Oldie's carousel already, lol?
statusquo 12/11/2013 6:33:29 PM Report

oldie,

Canada Post is no longer financially sustainable. Deal with it!

They are losing money...OUR money....day after day!

Compared to the bucket of shit the rest of the world is living in, our "problems" with mail delivery and "brown water" are mere ingrown hairs as opposed to terminal cancer.
It is what it is and whining about it ain't going to change a thing.

Grump 12/11/2013 6:47:22 PM Report

It was nice of the Harper government to wait until Parliament closed to announce all the good news from Canada Post. I know, I know I'll get the old Harper hater name calling again but leaders are supposed to lead not slink of somewhere and leave one of his minions to do the tough stuff. The sad thing is they have run so many deficits they are broke and will have to cut anything and everything. That said I'm sure he will find some taxpayers money for his self advertising come election time. Strong hand on the economy my a**.
statusquo 12/11/2013 6:47:31 PM Report

Shakes,

Glad you brought up prostate cancer.

My take on it...over tested for. 90% of men will get it if they live long enough. PSA tests are over prescribed and lead to unnecessary "interventions".
A very small percentage is malignant and even if, it's a slow progressing cancer.
The same can be said for breast cancer.
The science behind testing , biopsies and eventual "interventions" is on very shaky ground.
In my book, quality of life far outweighs longevity.
right wing 12/11/2013 6:47:48 PM Report

Spellchecker

LOL...yes, remember when you were a kid and you spun yourself around till you felt you were going to fall...I got that feeling again.
shakespeare 12/11/2013 6:49:04 PM Report

Stats:
Add a little pomegranate to the sauce. Darlene and her ... um ... kitty ... will thank you for it!
right wing 12/11/2013 6:50:39 PM Report

Grump

See the opening line of Statusquo's 6:33:29 PM post.
It has been coming for a long time and Harper had nothing to do with it.
right wing 12/11/2013 6:51:58 PM Report

...stats, you just love the old lubricant and glove test now don't you.
statusquo 12/11/2013 6:54:40 PM Report

Shakes,

pomegranate juice in boeuf bourguignon?

Jamais!

When it comes to food I am a purist!

Darlene likes chicken mc nuggets and pineapple on pizza.
She is beyond hope!

statusquo 12/11/2013 7:04:24 PM Report

rw,

"love" is a strong emotion.
I tolerate it ,my doctor has thin fingers.
I did moan ...once...his hands were on my shoulders...for some reason...
I quite enjoyed the colonoscopy though.
Strong sedative , a sensation of "fullness" and when I was driven home I enjoyed Elton John and Kiki Dee's rendition of "Don't go breaking my a__.....sorry...heart".
right wing 12/11/2013 7:05:09 PM Report

...remember Euell Gibbons died at 64 from all that healthy sh*t.
right wing 12/11/2013 7:05:52 PM Report

...yes but did they see the gerbil???
statusquo 12/11/2013 7:10:37 PM Report

Gerbil?

You mean Lemmywinks?
steelworker 12/11/2013 7:14:45 PM Report

Gee Grumpy: where did Harper slink off to? Oh, a funeral for a world-class statesman you say. Maybe you can get someone to explain world-class to you.
right wing 12/11/2013 7:24:48 PM Report

...yours is trained to wink.
Do the eye lashes add to the tickle?
Just Curious 12/11/2013 7:27:23 PM Report

Stats; don't ever put off a check for prostate cancer. My Dr kept telling me I was " a bit enlarged" for a couple of years. He retired and my new Dr picked it up right away and referred me to a specialist. Just over 6 months later I was in London for surgery where they took the prostate and a few other parts because it had been left too long. It is supposed to be a 3-3-3 operation,3 hrs in surgery, 3 days in hospital and 3 months recovery,. I was 8 hrs in surgery with a couple of transfusions, 8 days in the hospital and here I am, over 2 years later after 6 cystoscopy-dilations with very little bladder control. I haven't had a day with a dry crotch or without pads in over 2 years and no prospects of it getting any better. That's why I could really feel for Skipper Dave as I had a real good idea of what he was going thru. I'm due for some tests for Testicular cancer soon and hope they come up negative as I would have a hard time walking without the balance they provide. The only funny part of it is that I got a hernia taking a crap because the muscles were weak after surgery.. Bottom line for all this is, take the damn PSA test and if you haven't had one in a long time ask for one. It may save your life...It did mine...
jonesur 12/11/2013 7:33:19 PM Report

In the infamous words of Newman, "OK, nobody Really NEEDS mail!"
statusquo 12/11/2013 7:34:53 PM Report

JC,

I am sorry to hear about your ordeal.

My dad was diagnosed with the big C and he said F it! He lived another 20 years to 91 and he did not die of it. No intervention, no meds...just monitoring.

Everyone is different. I will take my chances and only see a doc when I really need him.
nanag 12/11/2013 7:35:32 PM Report

Good Lord gentlemen ..

Stats did you run over the kitty just so you could save on the beef?

what does #65533 mean? I hate being out of the loop

right wing 12/11/2013 7:40:46 PM Report

nanag

Change your name to Daisy...we'll put you in the loop...

;)
right wing 12/11/2013 7:41:35 PM Report

statusquo

Nothing like a good old game of Russian roulette.

statusquo 12/11/2013 7:43:35 PM Report

nanag,

I actually chased the kitty for two blocks. She ran out of steam eventually... no contest really.
statusquo 12/11/2013 7:45:27 PM Report

true enough rw,

Russian roulette with a barrel of 10000 blanks to one loaded one.
I take these odds any day.
Just Curious 12/11/2013 7:46:05 PM Report

Best of luck with it ,Stats. not looking for sympathy, it's just the way shit happens sometimes. Really miss sex, tho, lived for that. They had to pull so much they couldn't save the sex drive.;).
Had a nephew in Simcoe, never sick in his life. Started feeling like he had a bad flu, went to the Dr and then to the hospital for tests. They found cancer virtually all over inside him and gave him 2 months to live.. He passed 2 weeks later. I used to have your attitude about it to but as I said, there's a lot of people to piss off yet so I want to hang in for a while, altho I have to admit, you seem more than capable of carrying on for me if needed....LOL :).
flyhawk25 12/11/2013 7:57:48 PM Report

My dad had prostrate cancer.
The docs did the operation blah, blah. And when I was in the hospital changing his diaper he said 'Don't let them cut your balls off'.
We all die.
Seems to be it's a matter how we choose to go out.
statusquo 12/11/2013 8:03:23 PM Report

Not trying to argue with you JC. I am glad you're still around to piss off folks on sootoday. (smiley face).

But, statistically speaking, from the American journal of Medicine.


"3.7 deaths per 10,000 patient years in the screened group.

3.4 deaths per 10,000 patient years in the non-screened group"


As I said to rw, I shall take my chances! That is one empty barrel.

I am a mechanic and I am woefully aware in how little I know and can prdict the outcome of a slightly skewed oxygen sensor.
A medical doctor might be better trained, but the human body is a tad more complicated than a piston engine.
I shall avoid the medical establishment like the plague!
I shall go when I shall go.

nanag 12/11/2013 8:21:30 PM Report

Right Wing

Change your name to Daisy...we'll put you in the loop...

what the heck does that mean?? I know I'm slow.. but sometimes on here I don't just feel slow but I often feel like I am going backwards.. (sigh)
shakespeare 12/11/2013 8:33:02 PM Report

On a different issue, I am fascinated to find out about the sign language fiasco at the Mandela event. It just cries out for an explanation. I'm looking at it with all my creative juices and can come up with nothing!
redranger 12/11/2013 8:34:13 PM Report

Nanag
It is a symbol replacement code somewhat akin to ASCII

&#65533; sign displays as a &#65533;
redranger 12/11/2013 8:36:03 PM Report

Nanag
..LOL That was funny. I caught myself. The pound sterling sign shows as &#65533. When I posted the pound sign, it showed that way
mallet 12/11/2013 8:36:59 PM Report


Oldie Goldie..

I have to agree with you regarding the community post boxes, ours out here is better now but before they were moved from the other location, when the people closed the shop they did not plough very often and at times you needed a 4 wheel drive to get into the boxes or had to scramble over the snowbank from the plough. Are the people who service the boxes going to carry a blower or shovel in winter so people can get near them? are there going to be plowed (sp) sidewalks to get to them or are people going to have to walk in the road? I would be very interested as to how they are going to set this up especially in Northern climes..
redranger 12/11/2013 8:55:01 PM Report

Mallet
The government cares so little for Northern Ontario, that mail delivery will probably be an airdrop at a central location . We will have to sift through it all to find our own mail.
right wing 12/11/2013 8:57:01 PM Report

Nanag

Here you go.
Take your pick.

;)

daisy chain
noun
noun: daisy chain; plural noun: daisy chains; noun: daisychain; plural noun: daisychains

1.
a string of daisies threaded together by their stems.
a string of associated people or things.
"we can all make daisy chains of blame"
informal
a sexual activity in which participants serve as partners to different people simultaneously.

verb
Computing
verb: daisy chain; 3rd person present: daisy chains; gerund or present participle: daisy chaining; past tense: daisy chained; past participle: daisy chained

1.
connect (several devices) together in a linear series.
right wing 12/11/2013 8:59:00 PM Report

redranger

Perfect.
No letters from the government.
No need to file tax returns.
nanag 12/11/2013 9:03:31 PM Report

right wing

I could have googled Daisy too.. still doesn't help me understand what the heck #65533 means.. sheesh

I am going back to my sewing machine watching the hockey game then go lick a few windows before bed... I'm very depressed now thanks to this
lowla 12/11/2013 9:06:04 PM Report

Just Curious

Thank you for your candour
right wing 12/11/2013 9:15:09 PM Report

Nanag

You asked....

"Change your name to Daisy...we'll put you in the loop..."

"what the heck does that mean??"

I answered.
Is sewing good therapy for being depressed.
sparks7 12/11/2013 9:17:54 PM Report

My dad died of prostate cancer and my brother came down with it last year so I am getting the weebie jeebies lately.I saw in the Globe last week that studies show that pomegranate juice might slow down the progress of prostate cancer.I have been looking around for the juice but can only find pomegranate/cranberry or pomegranate/blueberry.Does anybody know where in town a guy could his mitts on the pure pomegranate juice?
mallet 12/11/2013 9:21:16 PM Report


Grump..

I am interested in politics somewhat, and as a Liberal supporter and advocate I wonder if you could sort of clue me in on a few things the provincials liberals are doing. I understand that the province is a little in debt so I wonder if you could explain the use of my tax dollars to fund cancelling contracts half way through the building of plants, the Ornge billing, the increases in hydro charges and the auditor generals figures for selling the ONTC which does not jibe with the governments, which is suppose to save us money but in fact is going to cost more, plus little things like the all day daycare which is going to put private daycares out of business thus putting people out of work and/or employ them at reduced wages, but costing a billion dollars, oh, and did I forget the E health system.. How does that old saying go... a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you are talking real money, Is this the Liberal Mantra, pray tell??
statusquo 12/11/2013 9:24:17 PM Report

Some kid is dying of hunger in the Sudan whilst his mother an sister is getting raped..sad really and I am weeping.... soaking in the warm glow of Mandela's funeral on streaming video.. however..soon I will have to walk to a communal mailbox to get the Canadian Tire specials..forshame!

Perspective!

Mark Brown making a huge stink about questionable water quality in a 0. something area of the city...threatening law suits over brown water and pennies worth of flushing....
He drives a cab and is banned from city hall....

Perspective! (respectfully)

Bono from U2 makes an appearance at Mandela's remembrance and Obama shakes hands with "Larry" Raoul Castro, Michelle looks pissed!

Perspective!

PSW workers that are treated like shit protest and strike in the Sault and nobody gives a crap!
Do not even get a mention on sootoday!

Per Fing spective!!!
lowla 12/11/2013 9:24:23 PM Report

sparks7
Try Romes or Country Way
sparks7 12/11/2013 9:32:17 PM Report

ok,thanks
redranger 12/11/2013 9:36:14 PM Report

NANAG
I told you twice it is the way to show a pound sterling symbol when you don't have such on your keyboard.
Oldie Goldie 12/11/2013 9:36:59 PM Report

Right Wing---Wrong again--The Mail here is sorted inside by Inside Postal Workers who put the mail into the many walks---After it returns from Toronto---Then the Postal Delivery people resort their walk mail into the order that
they deliver it.

It is only sorted in Toronto by City.

Sending all mail picked up from Soo boxes to Toronto---then sorted by City and returned to the City to be sorted twice again first by inside workers and then by Mail Carriers does nothing but slow down the system and make it more costly.

We can 't even send Mail to Soo Michigan unless it goes to Toronto---sorted by country then to Detroit---then to Grand Rapids then to Gaylord before it is finally sent to Soo Mich.

Canada Post needs to look at their System before cutting off Home Deliveries that hurt Seniors who depend on their daily mail at their home.
nanag 12/11/2013 9:38:31 PM Report

Stats

You always help us put it into perspective

Right wing
sewing helps when I fantasize about running a few stitches thru your....(well you know)pedal to the medal so to speak.. back stitch included baahahah
statusquo 12/11/2013 9:39:10 PM Report

sparks,

pomegranate juice is great stuff....but to think that it will prevent cancer you'd have to drink gallons per minute of it.
If you think you are genetically predisposed for it, see you Doctor and discuss it.
There are no miracle cures!
right wing 12/11/2013 9:50:30 PM Report

Oldie...A.K.A. "sit and spin"...that is what I said.
But hey as I said you are correct.
I am out.
Have a good day.

...you ever pet a dog that bites and then forget it bites and pet it again.
right wing 12/11/2013 9:52:15 PM Report

"Does anybody know where in town a guy could his mitts on the pure pomegranate juice?"

Yes I do.
Statusquo's squeeze...Darlene!

;)
sparks7 12/11/2013 10:13:39 PM Report

SQ

I do get checked once a year but apparently prostate can come on really fast between check ups.Anyhow, I am looking at this article again and it says "preliminary research suggests drinking pomegranate juice (one cup a day) may slow the progression of prostate cancer."They also state that the studies are small and not definitive but I figure, what the hell,it can't hurt.

ps,
They list all kinds of other benefits to drinking the juice including reduced plaque buildup of all things.
sparks7 12/11/2013 10:36:07 PM Report

SQ,
IS that true what RW is saying?If it is you should be promoting pomegranate juice as a cancer cure.You could be in line to make zillons!
statusquo 12/11/2013 10:53:01 PM Report

sparky,

I am not a doctor but I play one on TV....

\pomegranate juice is great!

\prostate cancer is something you need to deal with on an individual basis.

I decided to let the dice fall where they may...based on genealogy and inheritance.

I will not get tested and I will not get probed, fingered and "biopsied".....
sparks7 12/11/2013 11:19:17 PM Report

Yeah,getting probed is no fun at all.I heard a true story about a guy that went in for that procedure and just before the doc did it to him the guy stops the doc and asks for a towel.The doc gives him one and the guy puts it over his head and says " ok,go ahead".
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