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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Dec. 4 2013

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Grump 12/4/2013 6:46:50 AM Report

Good morning everyone, time to roll out and get at it. Have a great day all.
Jimssm 12/4/2013 7:26:10 AM Report

Everyone is sleeping in this morning.

There's work to be done !

How is the economy to improve if everyone sleeps in til 7 ?
right wing 12/4/2013 8:14:30 AM Report

debo

I shall ask you to clarify how you believe that our viewpoints on green energy are the same.
I shall check back later for your answer.
Wisenheimer 12/4/2013 9:11:25 AM Report

She's out back pleading with her windmill and solar panels to get humming.
Then off to negotiate with 9 different 1st nations, on how much cash they need to make a pretty big beaver pond.
Spellchecker 12/4/2013 9:15:21 AM Report

Debo, thank you for the introduction of that great new word 'BARNFUL'. It may not be an actual word but it certainly should be. My grandson has a BARNFUL of that hay you were talking about.
Wisenheimer 12/4/2013 9:22:32 AM Report

Spelly, others have a "barnful" of B.S. They'll be along shortly.
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 9:24:41 AM Report

Spelly...did you figure out the etymology of 'schmoozing' yet?
Wild Turkey 12/4/2013 9:28:54 AM Report

No Need to negotiate with F.N. for any more land.The crown and greedy timber barons have already stolen all the good land.The Ministry of natural resources has (have ? Spelly?) effectively blocked public access to millions of acres (hectairs?) of our recreational lands.Burms---broken bridges---warning signs--denied access and other means.The Minister did this to mollify the bear lovers. No more shootin,"fish in a barrel---want to shoot a bear?Walk 20 miles and work for it!!!This will free up all kinds of land toflood for Hydro-electric projects.But I thought you need a flow of water like a decent sized river or something to make a project of that magnitude feasible?Moose pastures I don't think would cut it.
debo 12/4/2013 10:23:09 AM Report

Good morning right wing ... allow me to clarify. I didn't say our views on green energy coincided. What I did intend to infer was that you seemed to agree with the idea that hydro-power generation is being underutilized. Or at least that seemed to be the implication derived from your conversation with the engineer. No?

And I had explicitly stated that I felt hydro-power generation should be in the "forefront" of any plans our province adopted for energy supply. Read my posts ...that what it says.
learningaswego 12/4/2013 10:36:38 AM Report

No worries, the Ontario Liberals will put up a few thousand more wind turbines and solar panels, even though we have a huge excess of power. These new technologies will occasionally produce some power, at the times we don't need it; and in more excess of what we need on the occasional times that it does.
They'll invite Al Gore to come and speak for 20 minutes to some green groupies with a big photo op, to congratulate us on how green we are. They'll pay Big Al - from our tax dollars - probably about $200,000 to come to do that 20 minute green love-in, - plus expenses - first class all the way, because you know, no cost is too great if you can put the word "green" in it. They might also invite St. David ScrewYouseSki to do a 10 minute speech - he'll come as long as no one is allowed to ask St. David any questions. He will only gouge the taxpayers for $40,000 for his 10 minute gig - because he hasn't won a Nobel Prize for screwing us - yet.

Then, the Libs will increase our rates 10% a year - every year; but continue to sell (more like give away) the excess power to the states or Quebec, for a fraction of the cost they charge Ontarians.

What's the matter? Makes sense, doesn't it?
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 10:44:04 AM Report

I am no energy expert. But I am a consumer who is concerned about how we manage our resources.
Can someone explain to me why we just don't revert to more hydro-power which is a renewable fairly constant source?
And - please - spare me the rants and silly rhetoric about tree huggers and frauds.
lookaround 12/4/2013 10:46:12 AM Report

I agree Flyhawke that mantra of tree huggers is getting old. Time for the OTHERS to give some real thought instead of pointing the finger( you know who you are). More gets done when we have logical discussions instead of the same old same old.
redranger 12/4/2013 11:13:02 AM Report

Fly
"Schmooze, also shmooze, "to chat intimately," 1897, from Yiddish shmuesn "to chat," from shmues "idle talk, chat," from Hebrew shemu'oth "news, rumors." As a noun from 1939. Related: Schmoozed; schmoozing. Schmoozer is from 1909.

But of course you knew that.
redranger 12/4/2013 11:16:09 AM Report

Debo
I infer from your post that you don't know how to use the word "infer" correctly.
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 11:19:10 AM Report

redranger...actually I thought it came from Al Capp's caricature of Schmoos who were lovely white blob creatures that did your asking and were edible.
Of course as a kid I did not know they were a metaphor for liberal government.
Hunter101 12/4/2013 11:19:17 AM Report

fly, because putting up dams everywhere just isn't feasible.

Just like putting solar farms everywhere isn't either.

I love the idea of hydro power but the amount of money it takes to build a dam/hydro plant is huge.

Burning coal/natural gas isn't a sacrilege. It's probably the best form of energy production. Put it this way, if I wanted my house to have its own energy source, I wouldn't want it to be burning coal or hydro (unless the river was further away and the government gave me a nice handout to build a power dam). Solar is the cleanest and looks the best aesthetically.

When you try to produce mass power, it certainly isn't the most efficient way to go. If you noticed, most people don't live at a coal burning plant either.

You can say all you want about the burning of coal and how it's destroying our planet yada yada yada.

I'd like to see proof of that. And no the global temperature rising isn't proof of anything. This planet has been through many ice ages and before humans were around, so give me another reason.

This planet is constantly changing and for you to think or believe we have any control or major contribution to it is ridiculous.
T-rat 12/4/2013 11:23:38 AM Report

Morning all. There are times when I find nothing more upsetting than stupidity. And the latest pronouncements from our provincial minister of energy (Chiarelli) are truly upsetting. Visit the Ontario Government's Energy website and specifically the Green Energy Act. There are also sections there that will instruct you on how to become electrically "enlightened", and how to be electrically "empowered". I'm not kidding. This stuff is insulting and demeaning, unless you're in grade 3, and posted under the name of the minister.

Essentially, this 'enlightened' leader is telling us that if you want to cut your power bills, turn off the lights. Sort of like big oil advising that if you want to save money on auto gas bills, walk to work.
Spellchecker 12/4/2013 11:27:35 AM Report

Wild Turkey, 'has' was correct. It refers back to the word 'ministry' which is singular and likes the word 'has'.
Grump 12/4/2013 11:39:07 AM Report

Hunter if you are a sportsman and enjoy fishing you have heard of acid rain caused by burning things like coal that contain too much sulphur. Our own Ron Irwin Liberal MP did a lot of work to reverse that in our lakes when he was our MP. That is to say nothing about the respiratory problems caused by this air pollution.
steelworker 12/4/2013 11:56:16 AM Report

Have you hears of new technology that captures emmissions form places like coal burning plants. If the Libs can piss away over a billion dollars of taxpayer money by cancelling gas plants i'm sure that they can talk to the experts about this technology and spend some money on this. Essar Steel uses baghouses to cut back on emmissions why can't the Greenies do the same. I still think that there should be several new nuke plants built (stand by for the usual bleating from the huggers!)
theprotector 12/4/2013 11:56:37 AM Report

I still remember seeing my first dead lake, it was spooky!
Oldie Goldie 12/4/2013 11:57:29 AM Report

The other day some Posters wrote about Games and Sports.

In my humble opinion a Sport is where there is an Offence and a Defence----a Game is a one-sided effort

E.G. Golf---nothing stops you from putting the ball in the hole except yourself----so it is a game.

One more--Bowling--the only one who stops you from knocking down all the Pins is yourself----hence it is a game

Curling---The Opposition tries to stop you from scoring---hence a Sport

Hockey---The Opposition tries to stop you from scoring---hence a Sport.

I think you can get my opinion from these examples.


T-rat 12/4/2013 12:02:23 PM Report

Hunter: I won't presume to speak for rw, Fly and dare I say, debo, but I haven't seen any posts this past day or so that advocates putting up a slew of new dams to generate more hydro power. I have seen references to refurbishing the dams already in place.

I will take issue though with any suggestion that burning coal to generate power is acceptable and non-polluting. Even natural gas is a non-renewable fossil fuel although currently it is cheap and plentiful. You haven't made any mention of biomass, which is not a fossil fuel, is non-polluting, and is both plentiful and renewable, especially in a province like (Northern) Ontario.

Maybe ministers Orazietti and Gravelle should have told Rentech that "We'll give you access to 350,000 tonnes of biomass a year to manufacture wood pellets at Wawa but instead of selling those pellets to a company in England to burn to generate electricity (and to replace coal), that we talk about developing a plant here in the north to burn the pellets to generate electricity for Ontarians."

And before you further extol the wonders of burning coal to generate power, visit some major cities in China where industries are solely dependent on burning coal to generate power, and where the air, on a good day, is brown, and if you don't already have respiratory issues, take a deep breath. It might even be your last. To that I say no thanks!!!
Wild Turkey 12/4/2013 12:02:27 PM Report

To all of you "green" people -----aren't the little guys from Mars allegedly green?Are they somehow connected with your thinking?.Good for the economy?Those windmills came all the way up here from Forida.I believe they are manufactured partly from steel?Don't we have a steel mill here in Algoma?Besides the darn things were so large, they caused a derailment down around Massey getting here.It's worse on the other side of the debate.Those huge trucks they use in the oil sands are manufactured in Indiana.There used to be At least four heavy truck manufacturers in B.C. They are all gone now, although they are still made somewhere in the States or Mexico.Those big Cats cost 5 million each.What an economic boost to Canada it would be, were they made somewhere here.Oh, there is a Heavy truck manufacturer- Hitachi -down in Guelph but they only use Cats in the oil sands project .Solar power?Economy of scale dictates that the cheapest ones come from Europe, and very shortly---China.Same as those mercury laden "pig-tail' light bulbs.If you want to "buy Canadian"you can still find incandescent bulbs made in Canada but they will soon be "banned"But better to go with all this crap then putting our existing hydro plants to better use.Like I've stated publicly in the past.I'm kinda thick--so would some-one please explain to me WHAT IS GOING ON?Respectfully---Wild Turkey
Wisenheimer 12/4/2013 12:04:13 PM Report

Fly, the most economical energy we get is from Beck Power at Niagara Falls. This is also the energy we spill, or sell to the U.S. at a loss, when the sun decides to shine, or the wind decides to blow. Thank you Dalton and Kathleen.
debo 12/4/2013 12:20:43 PM Report

@ redrander

Oh great, another country heard from. Well, I might have misused the word "infer" if one of its multiple meanings WASN'T ... imply ...

But, that is one of the meanings listed.
Zing 12/4/2013 12:21:52 PM Report

Wisenheimer

Excess power is, well, excess. How do you suppose it gets stored? At times we buy excess power from the U.S.A.

I think it's a good balance as long as we export more than import. This excess hydro power costs next to nothing to generate, Mother nature provides the power, we simply harvest it.
Zing 12/4/2013 12:25:41 PM Report

I googled it.

http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/media/md_supply.asp
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 12:28:47 PM Report

Anyone who thinks that coal power is clean is myopic.
I realize that's a big word for some to understand.Just exchange it for 'a fool'.
We've read some good ideas for renewable energy sources from hydro to wood pellets.
When I read 'cost prohibitive' I think I'm reading a press release from Big Oil.
But when I read that we should just scrap our cars and our home AC I just shake my head in disbelief.
Those used to be luxuries that have become necessities for many.
What we need is more education and cultural shifts.As a society we must decide what are wants and what are needs.
theprotector 12/4/2013 1:24:34 PM Report

"Are Saultites losing grip on knobs?"
If they are then where are wise, rw and steelworker and spellchecker gonna go?
mallet 12/4/2013 1:36:06 PM Report


Flyhawk..

While I agree that we need alternatives I want to make sure that those alternatives are A/ Efficient and B/ are not a blight on the landscape and C/ most important, do not cost more in a carbon footprint than the power they produce. The power station the WAWA plant is selling to is one of the largest generating stations in the UK producing some 3450MW of power, it has been coal fired from day one using a slightly different way of burning coal, scrubbers have reduced its sulfur output but some does still go out the stacks. I am still not quite sure how you measure gases in tons but I suppose there is a formula somewhere, and as you know well that there are many answers to the same question when it comes to formulas. I will agree that hydro is the best and cheapest way to go, it is not reliant on the weather, next are the carbon fuels and Nuclear, both of which have by products, last and most expensive is the wind and solar, the fuel for which is unreliable and free, which is perhaps why it is the most expensive...
theprotector 12/4/2013 1:40:59 PM Report

regardless of the source of power there will be a carbon footprint. If not here then in someone elses back yard. Its nothing more than a shell game. There will never be a solution to this problem. Each source has its pro and cons. Each source has its lobby and special interest groups.
redranger 12/4/2013 2:07:23 PM Report

Debo
People who have a command of the language use "imply" when they mean "imply". They do not use "infer"
redranger 12/4/2013 2:12:38 PM Report

Fly
Yes, I replied to one of your previous references to the shmoos. They were from "the valley of the shmoon", gave eggs and milk and tasted like chicken. They would just roll over and die so you could cook them. Most of the characters in Lil Abner such as General Bullmoose represented entities like G.M. but I don't recall what the shmoos were unless they were the "chicken in every pot".
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 2:17:00 PM Report

redranger...good stuff.
That was it!
And 'chicken in every pot' or raging socialism was what Capp preached about.
At the same time Walt Kelly's 'Pogo' was the other side of the coin.
Obviously you know which one I gravitated toward.
steelworker 12/4/2013 2:17:32 PM Report

protector: get out of the basement and go upstairs. We are having coffee with your family.
debo 12/4/2013 2:17:33 PM Report

And, people who understand the concept of "synonymous" at times use a synonym of the more widely used word or term. Just because the word doesn't jibe with your limited interpretation of the language and its usage doesn't make it any less correct or acceptable.
redranger 12/4/2013 2:35:44 PM Report

Debo
Be precise. If you wish your postings to have any credibility, then use the exact word, not one that masquerades as the proper one. There is a learned audience in here and we expect precision in the verbiage. :)
redranger 12/4/2013 2:39:28 PM Report

Fly
You mean good old Pogo of the ," we have met the enemy and they are us."? I recall that there was a character in that strip who could write but not read. He would write something and Pogo would read it to him. That might have been "Albert the Alligator" but it might also have been some of the posters in here.
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 2:40:45 PM Report

Hmm...as well as in the nounage and gerundology.But not in the hyperbolic linguistics so much.
debo 12/4/2013 2:41:25 PM Report

Your "beef" would seem to be with the lexicographers OR you still haven't grasped the concept of synonymous. Perhaps you can go on a tour of the world's libraries and tear out the offending dictionary pages.
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 2:44:46 PM Report

Redranger...I actually learned to read sitting in my dad's lap with the 'comic pages'.
He finally made me move when I was eleven and his legs would go numb before I mastered headlines.
All of that while listening to the radio.
Hunter101 12/4/2013 2:48:07 PM Report

I didn't say coal was clean.
redranger 12/4/2013 3:01:38 PM Report

Debo: I post this for your edification

Learn the Difference Between

Imply and Infer

by Tina Blue
March 27, 2001

All this week I have run into the word infer mistakenly used to mean imply. I'd like to help everyone get those two words straightened out.
INFER vs. IMPLY

The best way to remember the difference between these two words is to think in terms of the model used by communications theorists. Communication consists of a message, a sender, and a receiver. The sender can imply, but the receiver can only infer. The error that usually occurs is that the word infer is mistakenly used for imply.

WRONG: Are you inferring that I am a fool?

RIGHT: Are you implying that I am a fool?

If someone gets the idea from your behavior that you are a fool, then he is inferring that you are a fool. But if he is subtly letting you know that he thinks so, then he is implying that you are a fool. You, of course, can infer from his implication that he thinks you are a fool.

IMPLY = to put the suggestion into the message (sender implies)

INFER = to take the suggestion out of the message (receiver infers)

IMPLICATION = what the sender has implied

INFERENCE = what the receiver has inferred
Spellchecker 12/4/2013 3:10:34 PM Report

Good one mallet. I've noticed that too. Anything free always seems to be the most expensive, like our "free" healthcare system. Lucky for the politicians that the electorate likes to get "free" stuff.
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 3:19:10 PM Report

Spelly...in the words of Kristofferson in 'Bobby McGee' - "nothin'n ain't worth nothin' but it's free...".
T-rat 12/4/2013 3:20:34 PM Report

Hunter: Is seems that you implied, inferred and maybe even insinuated that burning coal was not dirty when you said: "You can say all you want about the burning of coal and how it's destroying our planet yada yada yada I'd like to see proof of that." What else could anybody possibly extrapolate from those comments?
Spellchecker 12/4/2013 3:22:14 PM Report

And one of my favourite cliches comes to mind -

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Such horrible grammar, I know.
Hunter101 12/4/2013 3:33:25 PM Report

T-rat, in terms of global warming. I mean that global warming is a hoax and while burning coal may have negative human health effects, our planet as a whole is not affected.

Human health? Sure. Nuclear power has effects on human health too. Big deal.

Acid rain Grump? Really? So it's just coal that causes acid rain?
T-rat 12/4/2013 3:36:18 PM Report

Mallet: I was at a meeting in Toronto last year with a number of Ontario reps from government and biomass industry to discuss biomass availability with another northern England electricity producer, Eggborough, and like DRAX was looking for a supply of about 4 million tonnes of woody biomass pellets per year to help them phase out 20% of their coal dependency by 2020, which is a European target. I don't think they were overly successful. DRAX on the other hand has been investing heavily in building new pellet production facilities in the southern U.S. close to Gulf shipping ports.

In answer to one of your questions yesterday, pellets burned in generating electricity are called industrial grade and are different than wood pellets manufactured for use in home heating pellet stoves, which are referred to as premium or super premium grade. The industrial grade is made from an assortment of wood wastes -- in fact just about all of the tree except the roots, and includes wastes from sawmill operations. Home heating wood pellets are made from pure wood fibre, excluding bark, leaves, needles and this fibre usually takes the form of residuals from lumber milling, including sawdust.
Wild Turkey 12/4/2013 3:44:35 PM Report

Fly -if your gunna use a snippet it means nothing-- it is 60's drivel-now when you quote the whole verse it makes perfect sense."Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose, nothing ain't worth nothin' 'cept it's free.Feelin' good was was easy Lord when Bobby sang the blues,feelin'good was good enough for me, good enough for me and Bobby Magee.
Grump 12/4/2013 3:46:26 PM Report

Hunter no it isn't just coal ,there are small amounts in other products but coal is the number one cause of acid rain.
shakespeare 12/4/2013 3:51:11 PM Report

Denmark (along with New Zealand) was deemed the least corrupt country in the world; it is also the happiest and has a high standard of living, great health care and high educational outcomes. It also, along with several other Scandinavian countries is very highly taxed.
The cloud on the horizon for this and other European countries is the population's growing displeasure with increasing immigration and low "native" birth rates. For the first time in a long time there is an emergent nationalistic right wing.

The U.K. has had this for a while and it was increasingly clear on my last visit that the Anglo-Asian tension has changed into a joint animosity against African immigrants (refugees) who travel through the richer pastures of some other European countries to the U.K. where it is very easy to get on the welfare roll and get "free" health care.
mallet 12/4/2013 3:54:34 PM Report


T-Rat..

Thanks, I was under the impression that it was a slightly different measure. I had a tour round the DRAX set up years ago when they had just started. I was a little impressed by the way they burnt coal, pulverising it into a dust and then blowing it under pressure into the furnaces, much like oil fired furnances.. The scrubbers were most impressive too at taking out the amount of sulfur they did.
There is also the other side that the amount of power they produce is phenomenol and they also produce a lot of filler for sheetrock.
I really do not know why our people do not go for this sort of set up, I mean the transport costs have to be a lot less than shipping to the UK, and of course a lot more reliable than wind and solar...
shakespeare 12/4/2013 3:58:06 PM Report

mallet: did you encounter any "scrubbers" in the U.K. in your younger years?
T-rat 12/4/2013 4:10:45 PM Report

Mallet: wood pellets are similarly pulverized and blown into a furnace to explode/burn, same as the coal dust. Pelletization is required to transport (rail/ship) the product and eliminates the potential for dust explosions when being handled.

Protector: you spoke of carbon footprint in various fuels and I agree with you but at least the burning of wood pellets is carbon neutral. And neutral is the key word here. Fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas cannot make the same claim.
mallet 12/4/2013 4:12:01 PM Report


Shakespeare ..

I invoke the 5th amendment, "I cannot answer that, on the grounds I may incriminate myself".. Does the name Christine Keeler or Mandy Rice Davies bring back any memories??
Grump 12/4/2013 4:48:25 PM Report

Almost 60 years ago they hired a Swede as the the Stationary Engineer at the old General Hospital. Within a year they had bought a truck to haul sawdust from Rhodis Lumber to the Hospital to grind up with coal and blow into the furnaces . They used about 2/3 sawdust and a 1/3 coal. It was not only cleaner is was a whole lot cheaper. This method has been around for a few years. Flakeboard heat oil for their press, make steam and pretty well run their mill with their furnace using hog fuel which is pretty much anything from dust off the sanders to sawdust, scrap board etc supplemented with gas.
Grump 12/4/2013 4:54:09 PM Report

They should have done some thinking back then but sawdust was free and heating oil was around 19 cents a gallon so there wasn't the same incentive as now. All the soft wood mills sawed 1x4 lumber in the old days but they just chip it these days as there is more money in that.
shakespeare 12/4/2013 4:59:46 PM Report

mallet: I was a mere child at the time and, sadly, those two were not too much older as they scrubbed the backs of those dirty old CONSERVATIVE M.P.s.
steelworker 12/4/2013 5:02:10 PM Report

Jealous much.
Grump 12/4/2013 5:11:04 PM Report

Well Steely playing fast and loose with some old Conservative politician may be up your alley and turn you on but I'm damn sure it's not Shaky's cup of tea or mine. That said each to his own. Enjoy.
steelworker 12/4/2013 5:13:27 PM Report

...and Bill Clinton was a Saint. Also stay away from my "alley". (Smiley face)
bounder 12/4/2013 5:17:40 PM Report

Well known comedian , George Carlin said relax folks it's all made up , all bullshit. The only thing real is life on this planet , and the planet itself.
mallet 12/4/2013 5:24:27 PM Report

Shakespeare...

I was not a lot older than her myself, however you have to admit she was a good looking girl and mandy too for that matter. I was in one of the ministries down in London at the time and met both these young ladies at a couple of parties, not that I went very often, there were a few others but only these two ever made the news so to speak and stay in the memory, definitely girls to take home to mother as long as dad wasn't there...
debo 12/4/2013 5:36:34 PM Report

A Red, while I no longer have a nephew at AUC (now graduated) I did phone their library and the young man at the Reference Desk was kind enough to entertain my request.

OED Volume VII pg. 923 ...
and there included as the 4th meaning of infer was ... wait for it ... imply.

He was also kind enough to provide me with an example of its usage:

"He said nothing that could in any way infer the necessity of a retreat of the ..."

FAR BE IT FROM ME TO INFER THAT YOU ARE A FOOL!

The above would also seem to be proper usage ... at least according to the OED(unabridged).

Perhaps you and Blue and a dog and three friends can scale the battlements of the OED and edify them.
But remind her she won't be in Kansas anymore.

I can think of a suitable candidate for the "strawman".
mallet 12/4/2013 6:25:45 PM Report


Grump..

Your 3:46 post regarding coal as the main producer of acid rain, it maybe in other parts of the world but I think in this part of the world the main producer is the smelting of metals. One of the reasons they built the "super stack" in Sudbury was to send or disperse the sulfur dioxide/trioxide over a larger area rather than just the Sudbury area... The fumes from the smelter takes a roundabout tour via the Acid plant before eventually going up the stack now, and Inco or Vale now is a very large producer of Sulfuric acid and oleum in north america.
BIG BROTHER 12/4/2013 6:32:29 PM Report

debo,
I feels for youse. Sometimes, it jest gits under yer skin havin' them no-it-allz carrect your gramma wen youse med a valid point and the smart alex cums at you wit 'oh, ya spelt this rong or youse used the rong grammer their'. Paynse in the butts, I tells ya.

Seriously, when a valid point is made, get off the high horse with the spelling of this or proper way of saying that. I know of people who have limited vocabulary or spelling skills, but have tremendous insight into life. They have been pushed into corners and bullied by teachers to the point of tremendous self-doubt. I also know of people who have tremendous spelling skill or great vocabulary skills who can fill whole encyclopedias with well spelled and very eloquent 'bullshit'.
shakespeare 12/4/2013 6:34:33 PM Report

BB : Hear,Here!!
Wisenheimer 12/4/2013 6:37:31 PM Report

Zing .. we sell it, or spill it at a loss, to make room for less economical wind and solar.
You can look it up. You can also find out who's idea it was. (I`m from the government and I`m here to help.)
mallet 12/4/2013 6:38:06 PM Report

sharespeare..

Don't you mean "Hare Hare" Old chap!! LOL
BIG BROTHER 12/4/2013 6:45:37 PM Report

I know what Shakey meant. He's got the memory of an elephant. And a very gentle way of making a point. For that I will state that my 'gut' tells me that Shakey was a very good teacher.

Many 'teacher types' are very quick to point out how terrible your grammar is, but have minor coronary attacks when they get their bill for the brake job they just had done on their car by the ex-student who couldn't recite one line of Eliot.
shakespeare 12/4/2013 6:47:31 PM Report

Debo: Churchill was criticized once for ending a sentence with a preposition in one of his speeches. He retorted, " This is pedantic nonsense, up with which I shall not put" (or words to that effect.) I see nothing wrong with what you wrote and what's more what you wrote was worth more than the infer/imply insufferableness. I am (supposedly) well-versed in grammar, semantics, linguistics and etymology (and I make mistakes all the time) and all that I have learned is that English is the most ridiculous language with rules that are based on the whim of a grammar writer (Dryden is a prime example)or a dictionary writer. As I have posted on here before, "scissors" is spelled (or spelt) with the sc, as in Middle English the Wessex group used "s" and the "Mercians" midlanders in the U,K spelled it with a "c" . So when the dictionary writers got at it, they didn't want to offend either group.
It is fun locking horns with the formidable Spellchecker, but let's never forget, the message is the most important thing.
Infer/imply is not important: the only ones who should be flayed alive are the "it's/its" and the "your/you/re" and 'could of" transgressors (why isn't it transgressErs?)
bounder 12/4/2013 6:56:56 PM Report

Like George said it's bull and made up ,so believe what you want , so will I.
Grump 12/4/2013 6:59:43 PM Report

Mallet I expect they are fueling the smelters with coal?
BIG BROTHER 12/4/2013 7:06:28 PM Report

Shakey,
It's (notice the 's) the focus on the point and not on the 'your/you're' syntax.

You are trained to do 'look fors' when reading any works. We are not all so naturally blessed or heavily trained for such endeavors.

Put it this way....if I had a question about plumbing, I'd eat a pile of 'humble pie' and ask rw. If I had a question about mechanical 'stuff' about my car, I'd drop in to see Dr. Quo. Plus, have a few laughs along the way. Heaven forbid, I ask Spelly to help me with a word or RR to edit my work. I'll live with my LD. We all have 'blind spots'. It's just that other people's blind spots are just so glaring and our own blind spots are 'just' blind spots.
shakespeare 12/4/2013 7:20:02 PM Report

BB Thanks for your earlier comment. I think we've all got to express ourselves as best we can and focus on learning and not criticising. I am humbled by my recent experiences in Europe and Africa. Somehow, everyone managed to speak English in every country we went to... and yet, other than France or Germany (which we didn't visit)we were at a loss.
statusquo 12/4/2013 7:20:55 PM Report

I heard the word "arschloch" today.
No clue what it means. None!

Anybody?


Maybe "redranger" is qualified to answer that.

It's vexing me.
Bobby Nerves 12/4/2013 7:31:58 PM Report

Perhaps spellchecker is one...




...that can tell you...

well, not really, he's still struggling with "smarmy".

Guete obig.
Hunter101 12/4/2013 7:36:34 PM Report

It's Deutsche for a**hole
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 7:38:52 PM Report

SQ...be vexed no more.
It comes from the Middle English - among other places - for 'arsehole'.
From Jamieson's 1818 etymology.
I think if I heard it I'd think it has that gutteral (sic?) Germanic sound that is quite lovely.
BIG BROTHER 12/4/2013 7:39:02 PM Report

SQ,
I just spent 5 minutes 'rwing' (thanks Shakey, new verb) 'arschloch'. I have come to the conclusion that in long interpretation, it means the same as in short interpretation. It has it's roots in German, likely going back hundreds of years The conclusion and unanimous agreement concludes that arschloch means arschloch.
Bobby Nerves 12/4/2013 7:39:18 PM Report

Nope, it's Schwyzerd��tsch
shakespeare 12/4/2013 7:39:21 PM Report

I hear your curiosity, stats. I, similarly, heard "geschrumpft schwanz" today and have no idea what language it is, how to spell it, what it means and to which poster it might apply!
Bobby Nerves 12/4/2013 7:41:27 PM Report

You've got it right, long, large or small, and arschloch is an arschloch.
statusquo 12/4/2013 7:55:58 PM Report

Schoenen Dank meine Herren.

redranger 12/4/2013 8:21:30 PM Report

Read the editorial in the Sault Star today and find the beautiful error in grammar made by the sportswriter turned editorial columnist.
BTW Debo, don't be proud that the 4th allowable meaning of infer is imply. Aim to use the common, accepted meanings rather than one you have to stretch for.
mallet 12/4/2013 8:28:07 PM Report

Grump..

"Fueling with Coal", No Sir not a bucket full, did I see, now may have in the past as they did at Creighton at the turn of the 20th century when they piled ore on tree trunks and set fire to it, but in the last 40/50 years they have used electric arc furnaces and oxygen. A lot of the baghouses have also gone replaced by "scrubbers", the only stuff that is really deadly there now is "nickel carbonyle", that was the only place I was ever uneasy working in..
flyhawk25 12/4/2013 9:10:43 PM Report

It is interesting that a bit of lexiconical pursuit - I may have coined that term - can drive away the unwashed, rec room Frito-eaters and monosyllabic mouth-breathers.
Thank you SQ for asking a question for which I suspect you knew the answer.
old-cat33 12/4/2013 9:16:15 PM Report

Everybody stay home tonight and play on the computer cause it's starting to get ugly out there!
Big fender bender at the new intersection by Wellington Square.
But there seems to be one there every two nights??
redranger 12/4/2013 9:45:57 PM Report

Mallet
When Falconbridge was owned by The Mond Nickel Company, they used the carbonyl process. A small hamlet named Happy Valley was so toxic that it was bulldozed and no longer exists.
Hunter101 12/4/2013 11:04:26 PM Report

old-cat33, now all I'm waiting for is people to start blaming the intersection for the accidents.

The Sault has some poorly designed intersections no doubt, but what it has even more of is terrible drivers.

I can tell you right now that it's people who aren't wary who get into these "accidents." It's really an act of negligence/failure to realize what is going on around them.

It's like the people who get into smash-ups on the Conmee/Carmen's Way intersection. Most of it is due to the fact that the people who are supposed to stop at the stop sign/look fail to do one or both of those actions.
nanag 12/4/2013 11:23:06 PM Report

RE: bad drivers

One of the things that puts my knickers in a knot are the drivers that do not clean their cars off. They drive around with windshield all frosted up peeking thru a little wee clear spot. their windows are all covered with snow. Snow blows off the top of the car and causes me pimples. Just once I would like to see one of these boneheads get pulled over.
Ahhhh... now I feel a smidge better
Hunter101 12/5/2013 12:16:04 AM Report

Some rather stupid people are among us and there are simple ways to identify them, nanag. That's one easy way.
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