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Spellchecker 12/2/2013 3:40:27 AM Report

WORDS OF THE WEEK


mallet
par (as in 'up to par'), tying (as in 'tying a knot'), manageable, honourable, disease

Kat21
than (as in 'other than that'), heard

lookaround
dismal, were (as in 'most items were cheaper')

statusquo
endeavour

Budster
misuse

Grump
publicly

Wild Turkey
parties, experience, reference

Clive
polls (as in 'advance polls')

theprotector
sabbath

Just Curious
toque

northernmale
themselves

learningaswego
embarrassing

Bad Dawg
thief

irishfey
helpful, occasions, you're (contraction for 'you are', apostrophe replaces 'a' in 'are', as in 'I do hope you're joking')

66cherokee
predators, pedophiles, posed

Nunavut
colleague

Dutch Touch
Mulcair

Wisenheimer
vestigial

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Spellchecker 12/2/2013 3:47:04 AM Report

Pink Peony, thank you for the offer of the books but it might be difficult to arrange for pick-up so I will decline. I already have lots of reading that I never seem to get to for other items that arise.
Grump 12/2/2013 6:16:30 AM Report

Good morning everyone, the start of another week and Christmas is just around the corner. Christmas Cheer is up close to 1400 applicants this year so far. This is a fairly large increase so I know they would greatly appreciate any support folks can offer. Used toys, non-perishable food product and of course good old cash. This is 100% volunteer driven and everything donated goes to those in need. The Sault at times has it's problems but this is one great town that always comes through when need be. Have a great day all, Merry Christmas.
BIG BROTHER 12/2/2013 7:36:18 AM Report

It appears the RCMP have a new group of emails to cipher through. Previously declared deleted, they were discovered by the Privy Council and have been passed on to the RCMP.
theprotector 12/2/2013 7:41:49 AM Report

I wonder why Harper is and will support Israel regardless of their actions or world opinion over recent peace talks! It makes no sense from a security perspective or an economic one. Funny how he decided to go to Israel only after he found out JT has been there in the past! It would seem that he has taken a play right out of the rob ford handbook on how to look like an ass in the public eye � his little band and performance is, well simply embarrassing
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 7:48:10 AM Report

Let's cut Harper some slack.He's working on softening his image.So his play list is limited - at least he was courting a lot of votes in a non-political venue of wealthy voters.
Right about now I imagine he needs some positive vibes.
Bill_the_Cat 12/2/2013 8:09:32 AM Report

Harper and the CPC have been a continual source of support for Israel. As were all Prime Ministers prior to the current holder of the office.

Happy Hanukkah everyone! A few more days of dreidel play yet.

theprotector 12/2/2013 8:10:11 AM Report

or sympathy
Bill_the_Cat 12/2/2013 8:10:16 AM Report

And good morning to everyone.
right wing 12/2/2013 8:14:17 AM Report

Yes the P.M. should have put his support behind a foreign plan that is destined to fail due to a country that has a unfaltering track record of evil intentions.
DutchTouch 12/2/2013 8:19:53 AM Report

Thanks for The Words of the Week Spelly.
We really gave you lots of work this time.
I knew you would catch me on the Mulcair name.
I wasn't quite sure which was the correct spelling.
Now I know.
theprotector 12/2/2013 8:25:14 AM Report

That right right wing, just dont try, just nuke those people - I forgot your position. Even if it is contrary to what all the other countries in the world are saying harper is right.
Wild Turkey 12/2/2013 8:34:21 AM Report

Spellchecker---very interesting post!I have a few questions for you First--do you allow for regional quirks in speaking? For example--I can imagine what a post from Don Cherry would look like if he were to "put pen to paper"Is there a relationship between how people post, and how they speak in casual conversation?Do you allow for Canadianisms.Nice day eh!!!Many Canadians have done well in the U.S.A. as broadcasters,likely because they seem to speak with no accent.I find that after watching the seven o'clock news from W X Y Z inDetroit that some of their expressions are starting to creep into my everyday conversations.As for the list of errors--I always had trouble with two of those words.There was likely a " little rule to cover that "a o "thing but I was either not paying attention, or I was playing hookie to watch Baseball that day. I do remember the one about "I before e except after c and sometimes y when it means e or I .Or something like that.I also wonder if there is a field where some-one tries to determine a person's regional abode, by the way they phrase their posts?I was fascinated withHenry Higgins in high school and how he could tell which part of London someone came from just by their accent.When I hear someone from Newfoundland speaking,it is pretty clear to me where they are from.But does it come across that way in their posts? Anyway,it is all fun stuff and interesting to boot!Looking forward to the next one.
Zing 12/2/2013 8:46:05 AM Report

Thanks for the (*) star Spelly.:)
Jimssm 12/2/2013 9:28:03 AM Report



... at least Harper finally has his legacy.....

I didn't realize he was so well known internationally for his love of birds. Maybe now he will re-fund science and research here in Canada.
Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 9:31:55 AM Report

Spelly .. did you look up "vestigial" or did you know ?
Don't lie.
Came across it when doing a "fruit fly" experiment (vestigial wings), at Protector U.
soowat 12/2/2013 9:34:08 AM Report

Why is China involved in espionage against Canada? Harpo has already demonstrated that he is willing to sell that Chinese anything they want
redranger 12/2/2013 9:39:16 AM Report

Wisen
You actually had to look up vestigial?

Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 9:39:26 AM Report

Jimssm .. you would accuse him of pandering to a special interest.
Like Chretien and golf courses.
Budster 12/2/2013 9:47:50 AM Report

Thanks WOTW Spelly. That was one word that I didn't think I had wrong ... oh well live and learn. Have a good day people and play nice in the sand box.
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 9:49:52 AM Report

The gift from Israel was just that - a gift.Of course he was schoozing the Jewish vote; he'd be foolish not to.
He's politician and that's what politicians do.
I don't think he'd waste his time at a union rally.
Jimssm 12/2/2013 10:16:22 AM Report

....Chretien met with the Jewish Prime Minister within a month of taking office.

....signed a free-trade agreement with Israel.

.... visited Israel (not to cut the ribbon on his bird sanctuary)


Yet he was generally disliked by Canadian Jewish community.

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=52556
redranger 12/2/2013 10:19:29 AM Report

Fly ..you dropped an "m" there.
Spellchecker 12/2/2013 10:20:45 AM Report

Wisenheimer, I wouldn't lie to you. How would I know you misspelled the word if I didn't know how to spell it? It reminds me of a great little poem by Bliss Carman called Vestigia that we memorized in school. If you've never seen it it would be worth a googling by all but the resident atheists who would probably deem it unworthy of their attention.

You're welcome Wild Turkey, Dutch Touch, Zing, and Budster. Glad to be of service.

Wild Turkey, sorry but I can't include anything but the misspellings and a few of my pet peeve grammatical errors. Your post was quite interesting also.

Don't forget to google Bliss Carman's Vestigia. It's well worth it.

A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
Proverbs 25:11
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 10:25:36 AM Report

redranger...yikes!
Good thing Al Capp is dead.He invented the species and if you're old enough to recognize the reference - good.
Thanks. I'd hate to get caught by Spelly on a non-word.
Just Curious 12/2/2013 10:41:04 AM Report

Regarding our latest poll on Sootoday, are they going to eventually tell us what the actual percentage of over 65s is?? I would kind of like to know if I'm in the majority for a change...:)
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 11:06:34 AM Report

Let's just take a breath and stop worrying about poll numbers and media moments in federal politics.
This is all just political foreplay.Harper playing the piano or Trudeau boxing some other politician are just photo-ops.They haven't even got to the starting gate yet.Nobody is going to change any minds this soon in the drama.
Give it some time and see who stumbles and who shines.
DutchTouch 12/2/2013 11:20:34 AM Report

Spelly, I remember memorising that poem in grammar school.
I was touched by it then as I am now.
I love Bliss Carman poems.
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 11:26:28 AM Report

Dutchy...we all must have had the same readers in school.
I remember Sister Perpetual Agony having us memorize a Carman poem describing the sound of walking on snow on a very cold day as sounding like 'two wooden spoons that you rubbed together'.
Still makes me shiver. Or maybe it was just the memory of her scowl and leather strap.
DutchTouch 12/2/2013 11:44:58 AM Report

Flyhawk that's funny.
I remember a few teachers with a
similar name.
Edgar Allan Poe's poems gave me nightmares.
Grump 12/2/2013 11:46:05 AM Report

The strap only reinforced my mindset. I suspect that I may have been a bit stubborn in those days. Go figure.
mallet 12/2/2013 11:47:49 AM Report



Spellchecker..

Were all my mis-spelling this past week or have you been saving them up??
I do not remember posting that much in the "Blue Room" and once a post is written I forget them unless challenged on a fact. I also know a lot of people who spell things phonetically now as it is easier than actually looking up the word in the dictionary, and if it sounds "rite" why bother people will know what you are trying to say.

Dutch Touch..
Memorising things seems to be a past thing in schools, what with "Tablets" and "laptops" other technical things. In my day the first thing you started learning in Math was the times tables, generally up to 12x12, and all the workings of a math problem had to be shown, and back checked, not just the answer from a calculator. Oh for the good old days , with six of the best for unruly behaviour (behavior)[for spelly]..
mallet 12/2/2013 11:49:22 AM Report

Grump..

Seems there are a lot of people in the same age group on here...
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 11:55:52 AM Report

mallet...yup.
And at some point 'memorizing' became 'memory work' and ruined everything.
Anyone still use the Periodic Index Chart?
Yeah. Me neither.
Zing 12/2/2013 11:57:42 AM Report

OK Spelly, I will post the poem.

VESTIGIA
Poetry by Bliss Carman

I took a day to search for God,
And found Him not. But as I trod
By rocky ledge, through woods untamed,
Just where one scarlet lily flamed,
I saw His footprint in the sod.

Then suddenly, all unaware,
Far off in the deep shadows, where
A solitary hermit thrush
Sang through the holy twilight hush �
I heard His voice upon the air.

And even as I marveled how
God gives us Heaven here and now,
In a stir of wind that hardly shook
The poplar leaves beside the brook �
His hand was light upon my brow.

At last with evening as I turned
Homeward, and thought what I had learned
And all that there was still to probe �
I caught the glory of His robe
Where the last fires of sunset burned.

Back to the world with quickening start
I looked and longed for any part
In making saving Beauty be �
And from that kindling ecstasy
I knew God dwelt within my heart.

Spellchecker 12/2/2013 12:10:37 PM Report

That's the one Zing. Good eh?

Mallet, that was one week's worth. Why would you think that I would prefer the American spelling of 'behaviour'? I am of English descent and a good Canadian. I always include my 'u' in those kind of words but reluctantly accept the American version for the WORDS OF THE WEEK.
redranger 12/2/2013 12:18:01 PM Report

Fly
You mean those little white suckers from The Valley of the Schmoon ?
Concerned citizen 12/2/2013 12:40:19 PM Report

Just Curious: Funny, I wondered about the percentage of seniors in the Sault too. Just happened to glance at an article in the Star last week and saw that for the Sault, it is 21%, about 4 per cent above the average of 17%.
Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 12:55:32 PM Report

Maybe fishing Spelly .. just fishing. But I do stand corrected.
Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 1:01:15 PM Report

Redranger .. no I spelled it wrong from memory. Spelly looked it up. (ha,ha).
DutchTouch 12/2/2013 1:45:54 PM Report

Getting back to the topic of poetry.
The name of the book we used was
"Invitation to Poetry".
I've been looking for one of those little books
for years and wish I had
saved mine.
Just Curious 12/2/2013 1:58:47 PM Report

Thanks, Concerned.. Hard to believe the percentage is that high.. No wonder it's hard to get seniors housing here in the Soo...:)
mallet 12/2/2013 1:59:47 PM Report

Flyhawk25..

I have always wondered how come a whole load of those elements end in "IUM". Was someone in love with those three letters and could only come up with them in that order.. From days gone past I could come up with a new one, how about "BRYCREAMIUM"... used a lot in the Royal Air Force years ago..LOL
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 2:08:04 PM Report

There is much to be said for having poems, prayers and songs in our memory banks.They offer great solace to us, add an added spice to our conversations (some of us still have those)and harken back to wonderful memories when beautiful language mattered.
Think of ii as 'pre-microwave language'.
3rd times a charm 12/2/2013 2:08:53 PM Report

Mr. Spelly! When did you restart the WOTW and why wasn't I notified? lol
Just Curious 12/2/2013 2:14:48 PM Report

3tac,,you know when your name pops up on the list...:)
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 2:33:50 PM Report

My experience has been that kids naturally love to commit lovely things to memory if they have fun doing it.
Years after the fact I still run into former students who love to show off to wives and kids with some things they memorized for me.Frankly I've forgotten much of it.
How often do we hear about soldiers recalling how scripture passages comforted them in terrible battles?The 23rd Psalm comes up often.
One of my golf buddy's claim to fame is his great treasury of folk songs he sings as we play - for 18 holes.It seems to be a decided Celtic hobby.
Just plumb your memory for old songs that gave meaning to our first loves,carols that we do not need song books for or slightly ribald limericks.
Lovely.
Hunter101 12/2/2013 2:53:34 PM Report

The best thing I've seen in weeks.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/12/20131202-141856.html

I hope more people do the same.
mallet 12/2/2013 3:08:05 PM Report


Flyhawk 25..

Apart from the..
Once more unto the breach, dear Friends, once more, or close this wall up with our noble english dead!!

The majority of my poetry consists of the likes of "twas on the good ship Venus" or "there was a young lady from Madrid" or a few songs from the book of Rugby Songs, mostly only allowed at Male only gatherings...
sparks7 12/2/2013 3:11:14 PM Report

Spellchecher

See Wild Turkey's post @8:34 and Mallet's post @11:47.Perhaps that professor had at least a bit of a point after all.(:

My favorite poem of all time. "Renascence" by Edna St. Vincent Millay.

Grump 12/2/2013 3:23:57 PM Report

It's all good but some of the choices are a little flowery for me. I was more a Robert Service type for poetry.
Spellchecker 12/2/2013 3:47:45 PM Report

3tac, today was the first one in a while. I did one for both rooms.
Wild Turkey 12/2/2013 4:15:55 PM Report

Mallet---My favorites are--"There was a young Maid from Nantucket--And ---As I was walking to St. Paul's And my all time favorite----Here's to Nelly
Grump 12/2/2013 4:37:14 PM Report

Wild Turkey and Mallet you would have enjoyed the old Oscar Brandt songs.
Tag33&1/3rd 12/2/2013 5:21:15 PM Report

Who makes the best and largest panzarotti in this town? I only tried Ubriacos's --i like it but... looking for bigger and great!
shakespeare 12/2/2013 5:22:28 PM Report

Nice poems today. Sparky, good choice of poet. I have always liked Edna ... a bit of a free spirit ... I always liked "What lips my lips have kissed".

On another tack, how many would sit on Zwarte Piet's knee?
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 6:26:09 PM Report

Ha!
I'd like to be more of a poetic purist but I confess to liking Drummond 'One fine night on Lac St. Pierre, da wind she blow blow blow...'
And I am also fond of the late Al Purdy whom I've spent some time with.
In fact a yellow copy of one of his poems is taped to my desk.

'...a blue heron...and it occurs to me/that if I were to die at this moment/that picture would accompany me/wherever I am going/for part of the way.'
Me too.
Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 6:39:56 PM Report

Grump .. can still recite "The Cremation of Sam McGee" and the "Shooting of Dan McGrew" from Grade 8.

"Now a pals' last need is a thing to heed and I swore I would not fail.
But we started out at the crack of dawn but God he looked ghastly pale."

His WW1 poetry is devastating.








Wisenheimer 12/2/2013 6:41:47 PM Report

Whoops ... "break of dawn".
sparks7 12/2/2013 6:52:42 PM Report

Shakespeare

Yeah she was special that's for sure.Have you read "Savage Beauty"?It is an excellent biography.The first time I heard Millay I was up at my cabin,sitting out watching the sunset and sipping brandy.A lady was reciting "Renascence" over CBC radio.As I listened to the words honest to God I found myself falling in love with Edna and it felt like her ghost/spirit was right there!At first I thought oh man,maybe I have been in the bush alone for a little too long.But then they started reading letters that were sent to her from men from all over the world.Men that had the the exact same experience that I had just had.So it was not just me.There is a girl that puts poetry to music on you tube.She goes by the moniker "Perennial English" and she is very good
I love the way she does "song of a second april" by Lemay and "hope is the thing with feathers" by Dickinson.
shakespeare 12/2/2013 7:06:27 PM Report

sparks: before she wrote the sonnet about her numerous lovers in the past and the loss of affection in later years, this is how Edna dealt with men (like you?) who fell in love with her in that past:

I, Being Born a Woman and Distressed

I, being born a woman and distressed
By all the needs and notions of my kind,
Am urged by your propinquity to find
Your person fair, and feel a certain zest
To bear your body's weight upon my breast:
So subtly is the fume of life designed,
To clarify the pulse and cloud the mind,
And leave me once again undone, possessed.
Think not for this, however, the poor treason
Of my stout blood against my staggering brain,
I shall remember you with love, or season
My scorn wtih pity, -- let me make it plain:
I find this frenzy insufficient reason
For conversation when we meet again.
shakespeare 12/2/2013 7:09:16 PM Report

It's kind of like ... Wham, Bam thank you, sir!
gcubed 12/2/2013 7:40:40 PM Report

Here's one of my favourites. I first read it in the "Hollinger Miner" company magazine that the mine published for their employees and families:

The bride, white of hair,
Stoops over her cane,
Her footsteps uncertain, need guiding.
While down the church aisle,
With a wan toothless smile,
The groom in a wheelchair comes riding.
And who is this elderly couple thus wed?
You'll find if you closely explore it,
That this is the rare,
Most conservative pair,
Who waited till they could afford it!
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 7:42:56 PM Report

Isn't this interesting?
Folks from various cultures and backgrounds recalling the written word.
It makes me humbled by the the depth and scope of the literacy.
And isn't it interesting how we've all landed on a site where we can enjoy words.
This makes me hopeful.
sparks7 12/2/2013 7:52:53 PM Report

HA,yup,she was a frisky creature if there ever was one.Do you know the circumstances surrounding her death?Spooky to say the least.But that is another story.
shakespeare 12/2/2013 7:55:03 PM Report

The Swiss are contemplating a minimum monthly wage for everyone over 18 of $2150 (Canadian). I heard an interesting discussion on CBC with a Swiss official about this. Interestingly, the "right" are not against it. Unlike the GOP who follow the formula, "It's every man for himself", the Swiss see the wisdom of being progressive and seeing that everyone benefits from a society whose basic needs are taken care of. They also see it as an incentive for betterment.
mallet 12/2/2013 8:14:09 PM Report


Wild Turkey..

I am not sure about the "maid" from Nantucket, but I do remember the "Young man" I really am not one for the classics so to speak having had to read Keats, Shelley and a few more that I prefer to forget. It seems so strange that the ones that one had to learn never stuck, but the ones written on the lavatory walls did. Perhaps because the ones one had to learn, had so little to do with ones life, but the others could bring a smirk to ones face..
shakespeare 12/2/2013 8:28:51 PM Report

I didn't know, but I "right-winged" and saw that Edna fell down the stairs. A similar later fate befell the talented Sandy Denny at a much earlier age, but she was a similarly beautiful poetess. I saw her perform a few times with Fairport Convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8
redranger 12/2/2013 8:51:30 PM Report

Mallet
Most people only recall those easily remembered ones...the ones in iambic pentameter, rhyming couplets.
Jimssm 12/2/2013 8:51:38 PM Report


Dogmas--religious, political, scientific--arise out of erroneous belief that thought can encapsulate reality or truth. Dogmas are collective conceptual prisons. And the strange thing is that people love their prison cells because they give them a sense of security and a false sense of "I know."

----- ECKHART TOLLE


mallet 12/2/2013 9:06:33 PM Report

JIMSSM.

Wow Man, that's some pretty deep thinking there, I won't even pretend to know those things. Being an old ignorant backwoodsman I cannot even comtemplate those thoughts, I will leave that to the more educated amongst you..
flyhawk25 12/2/2013 9:08:02 PM Report

Not unlike computer screens in mum's basement.
nanag 12/2/2013 9:47:14 PM Report

I am patiently waiting for Statusquo to share his favorite literary work.. you know he must have something good :)

Thanks to all that "submitted" their favorite poems and such.. I have spent an enjoyable evening looking up and reading many wonderful pieces
sparks7 12/2/2013 10:08:48 PM Report

Holy smokes Shakespeare.Fairport Convention.I remember some of their music from ages ago and liked it. I was however bigger on Traffic at the time and as I recall some of the music from those bands were in the same vein.So thank you for reminding me about them.I am going to be checking them out.Anyhow,when Edna fell down the stairs her head was resting on a notebook on the landing in which there was the penciled draft of a poem.The last line was "Handsome, this day:no matter who has died.

Just Curious 12/2/2013 10:40:02 PM Report

On another tack, was watching Wynne's commercial on TV tonight, over and over, And is it just me or should she be doing a spot running up the wrong side of the road ?? She's running with traffic which is against the law in Ontario.. What a doorknob...
Wicket 12/2/2013 10:56:30 PM Report

Finally, didn't scroll past most of the posts as I usually do, very enjoyable reading today, thanks everyone.
realitycheck 12/2/2013 11:00:08 PM Report

"She's running with traffic which is against the law in Ontario.. What a doorknob."

just curious:
You think there is such a law and you are calling her a doorknob.
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