Mark Brown 10/24/2013 5:19:21 AM Report
A Few Simple Questions for our City Council:
Why do you make us citizens, especially the media, wait until Friday to know what will be on the City Council Agenda? Do you really not want to know what we citizens think? And if you DO want to know what we think, then why don't you just open up the "boring", "administrative" Agenda Review Committee meetings to people like me, and the rest of the media, who desperately want to attend them on the Tuesday when the Agenda is put together?
Isn't Tuesday better than Friday for us citizens to help you make the best possible decisions for our city?
I'll make you a deal, City Council, If you let us know what will be on the Agenda on the Tuesday instead of making us wait until the Friday before we can give you our help, I will stop trying to get the law changed.
Do we have a deal?
Sincerely and Respectfully,
CITIZEN INPUT AND INFORMATION OPPORTUNITIES TODAY:
Municipal Environmental Initiatives Information Session
Thursday, October 24, 2013 TODAY
City Hall, 99 Foster Drive
Biggings Room - 3rd Floor
Agenda: None provided on the City Website :(
Interesting Items on the Agenda:
Because no Agenda was found we can't know what, if any, interesting items will be on the Agenda. It's interesting to note that part of the mandate of the MEI Committee's Public Awareness sub-committee is to, "develops [sic] ways to raise public and staff awareness about the Municipality’s environmental initiatives".
Apparently letting people know what the MEI Committee is discussing is not one of the ways to raise public awareness :(
BUDGET 2014 - PUBLIC INPUT SESSION
Thursday October 24, 2013 TODAY
City Hall, 99 Foster Drive
Russ Ramsay Room - 3rd Floor
Interesting Items on the Agenda:
Come on down and let the City Council know how you would like them to spend your tax dollars :) They won't listen to you if you don't tell them :(
Have a great day all :)
statusquo 10/24/2013 6:50:16 AM Report
" A Yemeni father has burned his 15-year-old daughter to death for keeping in touch with her fiance, police said, sparking further outrage in Yemen, where an eight-year girl died from internal bleeding on her wedding night a month ago."
Yeah, but ...it's an isolated case, it really doesn't happen that often. And it is their culture and we must respect that. We can't be bigots about it.
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 6:54:12 AM Report
As I wait for the sun to rise and the next chapter in the senate scandal unfold I am thinking of Skipper Dave and Grump getting ready for another day of pokes, prods and plastic food.
Yesterday was a dandy as the PM stood in the house and took on any and almost all questions.Call me a cynic but I felt like he took a lesson from the Clinton denial of Lewinsky.
And Pam Wallin's indignation over lack of due process was a beauty.Lost in the fluff of her feathers was it isn't her money and she broke the rules.
Put your seat belts on today will be fun.
irishfey 10/24/2013 7:02:57 AM Report
I seen on the news that starting next month, that Bell will be tracking what we do on the Internet, Phone and what we watch on T.V. ... Is that legit??? Sounds like "" Big Brother "" in our homes!!... Anyone heard how Grump is doing???
Retreaded 10/24/2013 7:16:01 AM Report
IF PAM is so innocent...why in hell would she pay back all that money? One would think if she was so innocent she would have fought that tooth and nail. Her true colors were shown when she more or less indicated she felt she was better than most other senators. She claims her reputation has been tarnished...sorry Pam...you did it...no tarnish remover in the world can get you out of this one.
right wing 10/24/2013 7:59:09 AM Report
When somebody shows up with a "dress" with stains on it I'll get worried about the P.M.
Wisenheimer 10/24/2013 8:04:59 AM Report
I'll get concerned if his wife turns out to be a serial equestrian.
David Poluck 10/24/2013 8:33:57 AM Report
Good question about agenda review.
During the open input gathering of information process in regards to the procedures of council review that is to be held once per term. The SAR procedural group submitted in writing the suggestion that the agenda could be released on the Wednesday to councillors instead of Thursday and to the public Thursday instead of Friday so that two whole business days were available to council for any needed research and one full day for public.
The suggestion was dismissed.
Also could you please look at the process for HOW someone or a delegation can apply to council to speak on a matter that they find out about on the Friday of the agenda release?
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 8:56:50 AM Report
There's a common thread both here in how council does business and in
Transparency in government and accountability.These people serve us. Not the other way around.
Some of them still don't get it and unfortunately we let them get away with it.
Whether it's our resident 'ombudsmen' DP and MB, or a free press we need to keep making elected folks accountable to us.
theprotector 10/24/2013 9:03:18 AM Report
yeah stats, perhaps do some research on what happens over here , instead of trying to conjur up hate. But I forgot you have blinders on and only see what you want and you are better then THEM!
David Poluck 10/24/2013 9:08:09 AM Report
Fly, We also have to get ourselves into the habit of being accountable.
Can't ask others for what we don't do ourselves.
The system allows us to be part of the process it's just that we haven't exercised the how too for so long we need to relearn.
It's a slow process but it's gaining.
If we want better we need to work for better.
Bill_the_Cat 10/24/2013 9:14:25 AM Report
fly: For politicos, that transparency is a one way street. All the accountability legislation was enacted to curb spending (some of it legitimate) by the civil service. I am ok with that, we do spend your money. It really is a case of 'straining at a gnat' whilst 'swallowing a camel'. Ministers' pet projects, slush funds, sacred cows (*cough* CBC) never face the accountants in the same way the rest of government does.
Retreaded: I can easily see someone like Ms Whallin paying rather than fighting. I don't know her guilt/innocence but putting a solicitor on retainer and fighting the charge can easily be more costly then paying monies back. That is the burden of our legal system, I'm afraid: the process is the punishment--guilt or innocence have very little to do with it.
Niigaanis 10/24/2013 10:04:17 AM Report
Quick question - Does Steven Harper still have a wife?
I've noticed a lack of her presence for all official functions and have to wonder where she has disappeared to
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 10:06:15 AM Report
David...an excellent point.
Certainly you and Mark are shining examples.
Now to get the majority of the electorate to follow your examples.
I've dealt with politicians my whole life and they are a reflection of all of us - the good, the bad and the indifferent.
Seems to me that the first step is to be informed. And then to act on that information in whatever way works for each of us.
If we opt out we get what we deserve.
TFinn 10/24/2013 10:08:44 AM Report
statusquo 10/24/2013 6:50:16 AM
You respect them ……….
I respect NO man or culture for committing crimes against others, and as heinous as what they do to their own kin and people...!
Inbreeding …read up about it ….and what type of human is produces from it ..!!
northernmale 10/24/2013 10:18:02 AM Report
Why has no one been charged with the hit and run in Garden River yet the police said they new who it was and had the vehicle. Also no name released if they have been charged?
Jimssm 10/24/2013 10:35:12 AM Report
re: That animal that burned his daughter...
Ask yourself why it made the news when it happened in a backwater remote Yemeni village.
... it made the news because it was unusual and NEWS. The guy was arrested. How many murder arrests do you hear about on the other side of the world ? Why only ones committed by a certain group ?
Did you read the news of the Italian father who shook his baby to death in Milan? ... or the mother that drowned her 2 kids in San Paolo ?? Of course you didn't. It didn't make the news here.
Don't paint an entire culture on the actions of a few.
Just Curious 10/24/2013 10:42:42 AM Report
Niigaanis; They only had a paper relationship in the first place...Seems,according to rumor,she bats for the other team...Anyway,she probably doesn't want any of the crap he's in to rub off on her....:)
Just Curious 10/24/2013 10:49:33 AM Report
I had heard about both of the crimes that you mentioned but they happen here in our own world on a regular basis and don't create much of a stir..When is the last time you heard of a kid being burned to death here for talking to a boy?? Also,never heard of an 8yr old getting married,raped and bleeding to death on her wedding night here in Canada..That kind of stuff is downright bizzare and is a culture thing,like it or not..
David Poluck 10/24/2013 10:50:13 AM Report
Fly I don't know about being a shining example.
I've always thought it was a touch of insanity and stubbornness towards making adjustments to the status quot.
Every meeting we have more with the attitude of how can we make things better show up.
I seem to be in good company!
Jimssm 10/24/2013 11:08:29 AM Report
Crimes is the right word... In all cases the men involved were arrested.
I understand bizarre happenings make better news than plain old run of the mill murders, but you have to take sensational news with a grain of salt. One time happenings, pervert arrested.
Is it cultural ? Yes. But that same 'culture' arrested the guys involved.
Don't you find it interesting that both stories were first released by Israeli news agencies ?
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 11:31:10 AM Report
Here's one to ponder.
It was reported in the US that many workers at McDonald's are using food stamps and food banks to get by. They make minimum wage and are not full time.
Now before the critics start screaming about how raising their wages will drive McFood prices up, that these jobs were just intended for kids to get employment consider that it costs the tax payers $6B a year to help these people.
Essentially tax payers are helping to subsidize the franchisees keep prices down and profits up.
Might be time to rethink things.
Dreamer 10/24/2013 11:39:34 AM Report
YES NorthernMale ! I heard the same thing and he lives on St. Joe's Island.
He spose to be at Northern Treatment.
I wonder who he's related too that they are not releasing the name? And only being charged with Obstruction? Isn't leaving the scene of a crime a crime?
And killing someone with your car/truck?
bounder 10/24/2013 11:47:36 AM Report
The senators paying back what they tried to STEAL from the taxpayers do not have a leg to stand on. Simply by paying back they admitted GUILTY. The three little pigs are going to get what they deserve.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 12:06:39 PM Report
fly, if you raise these employees wages they will still use food stamps. A job such as you speak demands low skill and not even a highschool diploma. These are poor people who will take any handout they can get. They are not taught to put any effort forth. It has to do with upbringing (if your mom was on welfare, you are more likely to be on it as well).
The more expertise the job requires, the higher the pay (i.e. paying a McDonald's worker more than 15 an hour would be ridiculous and the fact that min. wage in Canada is above $10 is why we have higher food prices at said restaurant compares to our American counterparts).
Welcome to the "it-makes-sense" side of the argument.
Wisenheimer 10/24/2013 12:20:09 PM Report
Hunter .. you've invited Fly to a strange and wonderful place that he may find frightening, yet exhilarating.
soowat 10/24/2013 12:22:56 PM Report
Poor Rt.Honourable Steven Harper (an oxymoron if there ever was one) has to defend himself against those scurrilous senators. Oh wait we have three cons. in a hearing attacking the number one con. Love it
realitycheck 10/24/2013 12:23:16 PM Report
"Welcome to the "it-makes-sense" side of the argument."
Your argument leaves a lot to be desired, considering it is nothing but a putdown of those who work in low-paying jobs. For many it is all they can get and it is not because they grew up in a welfare family. I applaud them for working, no matter the wage rate, rather than dissing them for doing so. You do everyone who works in fast food restaurants a disservice with your comments.
Wisenheimer 10/24/2013 12:25:11 PM Report
TP ...aka eversons .. Congrats, finally figured out that spell check thingy did ya!
Hunter101 10/24/2013 12:33:27 PM Report
I worked at a Wendy's when I was younger for almost 2 years. Don't tell me I am doing them a disservice. If you aren't happy with your life, re-tool. Upgrade.
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 12:40:20 PM Report
Ahh...a simplistic answer to a complex issue.
If only life were that simple.
Bottom line - $6 Billion subsidizing low wages.
Heck of a time to own a McFranchise.
Wisenheimer 10/24/2013 12:41:17 PM Report
Harper haters .. Enjoy the fest .. The Senate debate will soon be over. Harper will survive, and you can spend the next 2 years telling us what a nice looking man Justin is, and what a bone head Mulcair has turned out to be.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 12:42:59 PM Report
fly, not a simplistic view. It's neither less or more complicated than "it's how it works."
Man! The logic is really lost on you. Do you think we have only fast food workers using food stamps? How about the people of Detroit? How about college students? Such a narrow minded view.
mallet 10/24/2013 12:44:08 PM Report
If these were one time crimes why do we not hear the follow up and the punishment metted out, generally because there is none. Why are women in Saudi not allowed to drive their cars without a male escort, and generally have to sit in the back, cultural thing? Ask your wife if she would put up with that situation? Your daughter gets put in prison, lashed or killed for kissing or having sex with a boy, another cultural thing you approve of?? Why is it we have to approve of their culture and accept it, but they do not have to recipricate, because it's their culture. I am sorry, but I think you are trying to defend the undefensable!!
Wisenheimer 10/24/2013 12:59:18 PM Report
"M" fathers in Quebec are demanding Doctors provide virginity certificates for their daughters, to ensure they are intact when Mohammed comes calling. Four doctors who provided the documentation, said they did so as not offend the "M" population. The Quebec College of Physicians said "are you outta your fcuking minds".
realitycheck 10/24/2013 1:06:01 PM Report
"Such a narrow minded view."
I think that is what your view is, narrow-minded.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 1:13:38 PM Report
See realitycheck, I put that in there intentionally to illicit that type of response from a lefty.
So my response to that is "typical."
theprotector 10/24/2013 1:46:10 PM Report
lol @ hunter....you are too stupid to be either
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 1:55:44 PM Report
Once again the discussion has deteriorated into name calling.
Think I'll wait until the adults show up.
northernmale 10/24/2013 2:01:04 PM Report
dreamer of what your saying is true something stinks. Some how I think there is more to it, as the folks from Garden River would be posting something in the news.I would be thinking more along the line it would be someone from Garden River.. We do know they do try and cover for people who have money and keep things out of the news.
Dreamer 10/24/2013 2:40:11 PM Report
Well, that may be so but I don't know many people who live on the Island from GR, besides the cop boss in GR.
And workers at the jail aren't saying anything cause I know a few.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 3:16:36 PM Report
theprotector, I don't recall you contributing anything to this conversation except trying to insult someone who is clearly more civilized and intelligent than yourself. If your posts were something aside from insults and senseless rambling people may start to take you seriously.
TFinn 10/24/2013 3:26:15 PM Report
Jimssm 10/24/2013 10:35:12 AM
I think my post said it best
"NO man or culture" man ...as in human .....any human ..!!
I respect "NO man or culture" for committing crimes against others, and as heinous as what they do to their own kin and people...!
TFinn 10/24/2013 3:29:56 PM Report
mallet 10/24/2013 12:44:08 PM
All good points ..well said..!!!
statusquo 10/24/2013 6:47:59 PM Report
My comment on "respecting" cultures was sarcastic...just to set the record straight!
You appear to be a caring man, and you have had intimate contact with Muslims. Fair enough. So did I.
People of the Muslim faith are humans, just like you and I. Some are hard liners, some are more mellow .
I regret having brought up the incidents in Yemen this morning but I was livid!
This stuff goes beyond my level of comprehension.
You are right, atrocities are committed across the human spectrum...human depravity knows no boundries.
The violence against women in Muslim countries is pervasive and more or less state sanctioned.
97% of girls in Egypt are genitally mutilated and reliable data is not available for other sub'saharan countries.
The mere fact that Muslim women have to cover up to different degrees illustrates the fact that they are regarded as second class citizens. The sad part is that some of these women "claim" to welcome this restriction. And here we come to the crux of the issue....Islam is an archaic, ancient belief system rooted in a bucolic/nomadic reality that is incompatible with our more accommodating Western laissez'fair attitude that has been cultivated over the last one hundred years or so.
Islam and it's doctrine is drilled into them from an early age. It is an ideology like any other.
Most Muslims are peace-loving and all they want is to be allowed to live a fulfilling life. The problem is the small percentage of radicals and fanatical Imams that stoke the fires.
Not all Germans were ardent Nazis in pre war Germany, but they went along.
The legitimate and expected outrage is just not seen in the Muslim community at large when it comes to incidents like the one I posted this morning.
70% of Pakistanis think that 9/11 was a good thing!
This of course needs to be viewed in a geo-political sense and not just from a religious point of view.
The West has meddled far too much in that region and we should not be baffled as to why they hate us.
A democratically elected president was deposed with the help of the Eisenhower administration and British Petroleum in Iran in the fifties and the Shah reinstated. Saddam in Iraq was propped up by the West until he overstepped.
The Taliban was armed by the U.S when they fought the Soviets...and so on and so forth.
The West has created a culture of hate and resentment and because of this we should stop or at least limit immigration from Muslim countries for the foreseeable future.
To them we are "dhimmi" and "unclean".
A few intellectual Muslims have warned us about the power of the fanatical Islamists...i.e Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, both of which have had to live with death threads.
Islam in it's current form is not to be respected or tolerated.
Christianity on the other hand is irrelevant as it should be!
DutchTouch 10/24/2013 7:11:29 PM Report
Wow Status you have away of putting things into perspective.
redranger 10/24/2013 7:32:53 PM Report
If you intend to come across as educated and intelligent , then perhaps you might learn to spell such words as elicit (rather than illicit) which spellchecker won't correct for you.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 7:35:52 PM Report
redrider, I don't use spellcheck or grammarcheck. I rarely make grammatical errors, you just happened to get lucky.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 7:39:01 PM Report
One more thing redriver! It's difficult to come across as intelligent when most people on here wouldn't know the difference.
Spellchecker 10/24/2013 7:42:38 PM Report
He also has a way of insulting Christianity at every opportunity. He had to slide that last line in.
redranger 10/24/2013 7:43:32 PM Report
..but that was not a spelling error nor one in grammar. It just indicated that you did not know the meaning of the word. However, you are correct. Very few would notice. Carry on.
Hunter101 10/24/2013 7:47:08 PM Report
Well I know the meaning of the both words, I just simply mixed the two spellings up accidentally. People can make mistakes redranger, as long as they don't cost millions.
Bobby Nerves 10/24/2013 7:48:38 PM Report
Status, you'll follow the steps of Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst of Limburg... the bishop of bling.
Monsignore Bergosho have sent him to the impalement and many others will follow.
Pope Francis follows the old house rule; keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. And that, I believe, it's the only reason why he's calling all muslims brothers.
Spellchecker 10/24/2013 7:49:08 PM Report
Redranger, since we're in spelling correction mode this evening, let's catch
Jimssm 10/24/2013 7:51:51 PM Report
Thanks for your reasoned argument.
I agree with your points as far as the interference of the West in affairs over there, but such is the reality of capitalism. I was, in fact, one of those 'on the ground' fighting to support that interference.
I must however, disagree on a point or two.
FGM rates have dropped in half in Egypt since 2008, the year for which I believe you quoted 91%. In fact it was criminalized in Egypt in 2008, with a minimum sentence of 3 months (to 2 years) to any person performing one.
It is a cultural practice, not religious, made clear by the fact that it predates both Christianity and Islam, and has been denounced by Egyptian leaders of both faiths. It is common in some non-Muslim countries but rare in Iraq and Iran.
As far a not allowing immigration of certain groups is a very slippery slope... where do you draw the line ? Skin colour, behaviour, religion, how different they are ?
Is a peaceful practising Muslim who wears different clothes to be denied while we accept a White Supremacist because he looks 'normal' like us ?
One of my sons from Burma enjoyed eating cats and dogs back in his village. Will he bring that practice here ? Will you deny him because he might ?
Bobby Nerves 10/24/2013 7:59:35 PM Report
Spellchecker, your lexicon lacks the word smarmy. That's sad and disappointing.
Yes, go and google it.
Not to worry, seems like you have good companionS for tea.
Capital S for plural.
Spellchecker 10/24/2013 8:04:01 PM Report
I don't have to google it, Bobby. I'm well aware of the meaning.
Gotta go now folks. Bill O'Reilly's on. See you in the morning.
flyhawk25 10/24/2013 8:12:13 PM Report
Ahh...it is good to see the grown-ups return and the kids off doing whatever they do after dark.
I find SQ's take on this issue interesting but really don't know enough nor have had any experiences to form an opinion.My concern always is that people make decisions on inclusion on someone being different.
I doubt that will ever change because as a species we are prone to great stupidity as well as brilliance.
I wish that were not the case but experience and history makes me skeptical.
statusquo 10/24/2013 8:18:28 PM Report
Take a pill!Prescribed or not. Relax and revert back to Alice in Wonderland.
Religion is a pill..if it makes your life worth it, go for it.
Just leave me out of it! Just thank your God I am not in control, cause if I catch you teaching that crap to kiddies you'll be on bread and water until I decide to let you out of the dungeon.
Outlawing FGM is an exercise in cosmetics .
The underlying cultural practice is alive and well.
As far as eating cats and dogs...I am all for it!
Dogs need more simmering than cats. Dogs tend to be tough if not simmered....for at least two hours.
Jimssm 10/24/2013 8:36:02 PM Report
Cosmetics maybe... but there is no denying the steep downward trend according to those that monitor such things.
To put a local prespective on things, I just got off Skype with a female Muslim friend of mine (Saudi) and asked her about it. She is in her 30s and married, lives in Riyadh. She said that although her mother would find nothing wrong with tahara (FGM), her generation finds it to be disgusting. No one she knows has had it done or would do it to their children. She said it is probably practiced more in remote villages where they aren't educated.
As far as cats and dogs go... according to him my cats are safe 'because they are the wrong colour'...
statusquo 10/24/2013 8:54:04 PM Report
I agree that it is not a religious "thing".
The fact remains that "we" and "them" have a long way to go to find consensus.
I cannot see a devout Muslim girl or boy "dating" a "dhimmi" and be fine to go their separate religious ways .
Certain things cannot be "fixed".
I am an Islamophobe, I know it, I admit it, I don't like the whole idea.
Then again, I also think that any affiliation with any religion be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim is a sort of genetic predisposition or undiagnosed dementia.
mallet 10/24/2013 9:35:33 PM Report
I was just reading the BBC report on the "demonstration/protest" of women drivers in Saudi, how do you retort to Clerics who say that driving damages a womens overies and is a reason women should not be allowed to drive. I am just at a loss to understand the mentality of people who think this way, are not clerics supposed to be educated, and yet they still think this way..
Jimssm 10/24/2013 10:52:29 PM Report
The 35 year old Saudi woman I talked to tonight has her drivers licence, Her daughters both have drivers licences I think, and even her 58 year old mother has a drivers licence (her father doesn't). They drive alone, they drive together, she even drives when her husband is with her.
So what power does the old cleric have ?
My wife was once told by a priest she couldn't marry a non-catholic, that there was to be no sex before marriage. Current official Catholic doctrine still states that birth control is wrong. None of that seemed to hold any weight either.
Bill_the_Cat 10/24/2013 11:45:22 PM Report
jimssm: you make a spirited defense of certain segments of the asian population. Well done. Whilst I am at odds on some points, you trend in the correct direction (obviously imho).
Except for the Israeli remark. Have we gone back to blaming the Joooz for Islamist bad press? The latter are quite capable of looking bad enough without PR from the former.
Your later remark about 'White Supremists' is most interesting in this light.
mallet 10/25/2013 12:07:58 AM Report
I quote mansoar al turki of the interior ministry in Saudi as saying " any women who drives on the 26th will face punishment".Just because you have a driving licence does not mean you can drive. I do not agree with that but as it is the law of the land in Saudi Arabia what do you do, risk punishment in some sharia court? I wouldn't.
Jimssm 10/25/2013 6:14:10 AM Report
Bill the Cat...
"white supremacists' were just the first 'bad people' immigrants that 'look like us' that came to mind...
My problem with Israel is not a racial one, it is political.