Mark Brown 10/17/2013 5:14:54 AM Report
Good morning everyone,
Yesterday I received the following email from the Ombudsman's office:
Dear Mr. Brown,
I am writing to let you know that our Office has completed its review of your most recent complaints alleging that:
1) Sault Ste. Marie's Procedure By-Law Review Committee met behind closed doors some time between May and June 2013 to discuss amendments to the City's Procedure By-Law and,
2) that the Agenda Review Committee improperly closes its meetings to the public.
Our letter explaining our review and findings is to be included on the City's October 21, 2013 public meeting agenda. If you have any questions after reading the letter (once it is made public), please feel free to contact me.
Early Resolution Officer
Open Meeting Law Enforcement Team
Office of the Ombudsman of Ontario | Bureau de l’Ombudsman de l’Ontario
1-800-263-1830 - Complaints Line | Ligne des plaintes
1-866-411-4211 - TTY | ATS
It seems that for the THIRD TIME in three years, and despite the previous two scoldings by the Ombudsman's Office for doing the work of City Council behind closed doors, the exact same two, city staff voting controlled, Committees of City Council that had previously been officially scolded by the Ombudsman's Office will be scolded AGAIN for doing exactly the same thing... doing the work of City Council behind closed doors that is.
Why do some of our unelected Senior City Staff, namely the CAO and the City Clerk who are/were voting members of both of these Ombudsman scolded committees, seem to think that they can continue to decide things for our elected representatives, behind closed doors and without a shred of public scrutiny, even in the face of repeated Ombudsman's scoldings?
I guess we will see what the Ombudsman's Office has to say in their report on the October 21, 2013 City Council Agenda.
My hope is that the Ombudsman's Office will say, "No more closed Committee Meetings"!
As I have told this City Council repeatedly, closed meeting do nothing but cause suspicion, rumour and erode trust! Not to mention the fact that citizens don't have any opportunity to have our say when these improperly closed meetings happen. You'd think that Mayor Amaroso might be upset about that given the, "Your City, Your Say" platform she was elected on?
We'll see what kind of leadership Mayor Amaroso provides on this issue at next Monday's City Council Meeting.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
P.S. If anybody would like the detailed background material (Ombudsman Office reports, mainstream media articles, emails, council videos,...) of the Ombudsman's previous two scoldings of the Agenda Review Committee, and/or the Procedure By-law Review Committee please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
TODAY'S CITIZEN INPUT AND INFORMATION OPPORTUNITES:
Planning Advisory Committee (PAC) Meeting
Thurs. Oct. 17, 2013 TODAY
City Hall, 99 Foster Drive,
Thompson Room - Level 3
Your PAC will be considering a request by city staff to update the city's Rural Area Zoning Lot Severance Policy.
Your PAC has the opportunity to either make a recommendation to City Council tonight by simply discussing the issue from their good, yet limited, perspectives, or they can establish a plan to gather affected citizen input to fully inform their decision on this issue, at a later PAC meeting, before making their eventual recommendation to City Council.
We will see what your PAC does.
If you have any input that you would like to be considered by your PAC on this RA zoning Lot Severance Policy please email your input to tonight's PAC Meeting Secretary, Planning Director Don McConnell, at email@example.com
My heartfelt thanks go out to all City Staff, Senior City Staff included, for the excellent job you are doing to make the city website's Corporate Calendar the place to go for Notification of all Committee Meetings, and most of the Agendas for those meetings.
Very well done City Staff! I appreciate it very much.
Giving us citizens the opportunity to be more fully aware of what is going on in these committees is, in my humble opinion, a BIG STEP towards giving all of us citizens the opportunity to contribute to making our city the best place that it can possibly be.
If citizens are looking for the details of when and were city-related CITIZEN INPUT AND INFORMATION SESSION are being held, and what will be talked about, then the city's Corporate Calendar is where you want to go to find that information.
The city's Corporate Calendar can be found at:
Once again, keep up the grrrrrreat work with these Notifications city staff! You're making life better here in the Sault simply by doing that.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
David Poluck 10/17/2013 7:19:53 AM Report
If you would like to present the results at the general Association of Ratepayers meeting next Thursday Oct 24th. Please do.
David Poluck 10/17/2013 7:24:56 AM Report
Thursday is finally here!
Turkey pot pie! Last of the bird!
David Poluck 10/17/2013 7:33:36 AM Report
Recipe makes 4 servings
1 (10.75 ounce) can Campbell's Condensed Cream of Chicken Soup (Regular or 98% Fat Free)*
1 (9 ounce) package frozen mixed vegetables, thawed
1 cup cubed cooked turkey or chicken
1/2 cup milk
1 cup all-purpose baking mix
Preheat oven to 400 degrees F.
Mix soup, vegetables and turkey in 9-inch pie plate.
Mix milk, egg and baking mix. Pour over turkey mixture. Bake 30 minutes or until golden.
Jimssm 10/17/2013 7:44:02 AM Report
Garbage day tomorrow...
That's where MY rest of the turkey is going...lol
Jimssm 10/17/2013 7:46:29 AM Report
"We will not run a deficit."
-Finance Minister Jim Flaherty,
Grump 10/17/2013 7:48:21 AM Report
David P Sounds like a good recipe, that said with all the extra turkey around these days (for free) you could go into the turkey pot pie business. It would also be an act if kindness to clear the deck of all that nuisance bird. LMAO
Jimssm 10/17/2013 7:53:30 AM Report
The Tories took the $13 Billion surplus handed to them by the Liberals and turned it into the largest deficit in Canadian history.
We now owe approximately $18,000 for every man, woman and child in this country.
Thank you, Mr. Harper
Grump 10/17/2013 8:01:58 AM Report
Good morning all, Steelworker better Obama sells it than let the Tea Party morons default and give it to the Chinese. Once again Obama has proved to have a bigger pair than any of the Tea Party wimps not to mention more brains. Any 10 year old could see the GOP folding and ruining any re-election chances for a decade or more. Interesting watching the National last evening. The combined opinion was that Harper had done nothing to reset his agenda and that the goodies offered to the working class were either outright stupid or impossible to implement. One commentator quipped that with Nigel Wright gone it looks like Harper is acting like his own advisor. For you slow Right Wing folk that would translate to he now has a fool for an advisor. You'all have a nice day now.
skipper dave 10/17/2013 8:21:46 AM Report
Good morning sweet soo!
hats off to my beautifiul sister in law Sharon.
She hand delivered a full turkey feast to my hospital bedside only to find I was thru the better part of a meat loaf dinner. Point taken keep your Colton Picken hands out of the barn fridge folks. I deliberately sneezed over it. That's called passive aggressive.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 9:14:06 AM Report
Never mind the weather - it's a great day to be a critic of neo-con politics.
Here in Canada Harper thinks we are fools. The problem is that he is and we see it. Take the feel good ads and the cell phone non-issue and start packing.
In the states only Rush still thinks the GOP have any credibility after they caved on the government shutdown.Now they're bravely saying they'll regroup and try again...if they have any hacks left.
So who cares if snow is in the air.
I love the smell of victory in the morning.
Retreaded 10/17/2013 9:31:09 AM Report
Sneaky Harper...he takes off to avoid confrontation on the hill. Since he already had many extra days off he could have flown to Brussels before today. Harper has to go.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 9:36:10 AM Report
Can't say I blame him.
He hates funerals. Especially his own.
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 9:48:47 AM Report
"Sneaky" Harper is off to Brussels to conclude a free trade deal with the E.U.
The trade deal will be hugely beneficial for Canadian businesses and consumers.
Very important that they get it done before the U.S. starts their talks. Having the deal in place and balancing the budget by 2015 will put the P.C.s in good stead. Canadians generally vote with their wallets so the poll numbers will start to even out.
right wing 10/17/2013 10:02:13 AM Report
Yes that "sneaky" Harper.
"Kathleen Sullivan, executive director of the Canadian Agri-food Trade Alliance, predicted agriculture package would boost exports of Canadian beef and pork by $1 billion annually, with another $300 million in shipments of other food products, such as grains, processed food and maple syrup.
Canadian beef and pork producers will need to ramp up production of hormone-free livestock in order to meet EU safety standards, but Sullivan said the potential was there to make Europe one of the leading markets for Canadian beef, and among the top five markets for pork.
“It is an impressive deal, the government has done well,” she said."
Perhaps J.T. can use his legalize pot plan to offset this during the debates.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 10:54:39 AM Report
Trudeau Lite makes a stand on legalizing grass and that's all we get back from his critics.
What's worse?Legalizing that or a Senate scandal?
Oh. Definitely dope.
right wing 10/17/2013 11:03:10 AM Report
The Senate scandal.
...one can only criticize on issues one speaks about and J.T., much to the relief and hard work of his handlers, don't say much lately, his "plans" are a big secret.
Grump 10/17/2013 11:05:21 AM Report
Well we have a couple of neo-con faithful trying to put some credibility back into the most incompetent Neo-con of the lot. Wisen as they pointed out on the National last evening, when the US/Canada trade deal came about it was after all matter of business leaders etc. looked the deal over. So far it has only been our incompetent leader and his crew that have been involved. This of course leads myself and many others to wonder WTF. This could be a boon for Canada or it could be another Harper screw up. One does have to wonder why various business sector leaders have not been involved because you can bet your a** they were involved on the other side. Or could Harper be so desperate that we gave another chunk of Canada away to try and put a little shine where it never really should be.
theprotector 10/17/2013 11:18:11 AM Report
yep right wing exactly what you want, government money in grants to help the pork and beef industry meet the guidlines, oh wait thats a corperate handout! In the mean time the dairy industry bites the dust because of the removal of tarrifs on imports and now seek (or in the near future) end up getting millions of dollars from harper to change crops until the protection for that industry occurs - but keep government out of business. Yet hmm let me think wasnt it Harper that paid 50 million to the tobacco farmers in southern ontario to grow anything but tobacco. So they grew ginsing for two years, walked away with new equipment, trucks, buildings etc and went back to growing tobacco. Yeah these deals are great at our expence.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 11:35:29 AM Report
Yesterday New Jersey elected Democrat Booker to the Senate.
Who did he beat? A Tea Party Republican who was against federal funds to help the victims of the hurricane.
So the avalanche has started. And this in a state with a moderate Republican governor.
Bye bye Boehner, Cruz, Paul and friends.
Hmm...maybe Cruz can get his Canadian citizenship back and run for the Tories in northern Ontario.
theprotector 10/17/2013 11:45:17 AM Report
oh the horror just thinking like that
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 12:44:45 PM Report
Fly .. the "Trudeau Lite" comment on dope is in the news because it's the only idea he has come up with thus far. He's like Joe Biden during the debt limit talks. In a closet somewhere, gagged and tied securely.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 12:50:35 PM Report
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 1:08:36 PM Report
While I don't believe Ted Cruz will be President, he sure has a lot more going for him that the lightweights on here can muster. Graduated cum laude from Princeton, where he was the champion debater in 92, and again in 95 at the National Finals. Graduated cum laude from Harvard Law, and editor of the Harvard Law Review.
His law professor Alan Dershowitz called him "off the charts brilliant". Liberals despise him at their peril.
theprotector 10/17/2013 1:46:53 PM Report
perhaps but he went to Princeton, its not like a real University anyway. Got a cool name though, The Prez...the Cruz...hey wanna see his missle??
learningaswego 10/17/2013 1:47:51 PM Report
I find it highly suspect (read: unbelievable) that a Rep running in NJ would be "against federal funding for storm victims". It's much more likely that they simply wanted some accountability for any funds, and/or victims be able to demonstrate clearly that they are eligible. THAT would be a conservative view.
The Dem/Liberal view would be to just demand a cheque for $ __ Billion, without any actual accounting of evidence for the amount needed. Then of course they would ensure that their friends would need to be hired to "administer" the funds.(The left LOVES creating new bureaucracies - you know, to take care of "victims"). Three years later, people would be looking around, wondering if/where/how the money was spent, and if it actually really helped anybody in any tangible way. The Dems/Libs would find 2 or 3 people to parade in front of their friends in the anti-conservative media, showing how those BILLIONS helped the poor folks. Meanwhile, nobody will be able to account for where the money went, or if even any more than the 3 "victims" they arrange to parade in front of the media, were actually helped.
theprotector 10/17/2013 1:48:43 PM Report
laughing @ learning...still a long way to go!!
northernmale 10/17/2013 1:57:26 PM Report
I asked this late last night but will post it again. How come vets are not charged with being cruel to animals in this town when they refuse to take them or see them. They tell you if they have been across the river or have never seen a vet and something happens and they need medical attention to bad.If someone leaves there dog out side in winter they can be charged , if they hit them they can be charged by the human society. Yet we have vets in this town that let pets die and be in pain and nothing is done to them.We take our pet to Soo Michigan where they care about animals and costs half the price as over here, and do not care if they have ever seen them before. I think more people should start doing this as the vets in this town need to learn why they became a vet.PS I do not believe in miss treating pets I am just using the items above as a example.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 2:00:03 PM Report
learning...ahh you caught me in a lie. I made all of that up.
Get serious. Read. Think.Listen. Learn.
In short stop beating that drum with no cover.
theprotector 10/17/2013 2:11:56 PM Report
...the omission of treatment for someone's pet is not considered cruel Now if they did something directly to intentially harm the animal that is different.
Mark Brown 10/17/2013 2:18:12 PM Report
I'd love to present how the Ombudsman is ensuring that all "citizen information and input sessions" (largely Council, Committee and Local Board meetings) are open to the public, and all the opportunities that Open Meetings provide for citizens by presenting the results of the Ombudsman's Office report at the SSM Ratepayers meeting next week.
Thanks for asking me to do that David. I appreciate it very much.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Just Curious 10/17/2013 2:23:04 PM Report
Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for anyone that gets caught in that kind of cross-border situation. I feel for the pet but you live on this side of the border do your business here.I have done business with the Tiley Rd Animal Hospital since I have been in the Soo and my dog gets exemplary care there and when I call to get him looked at it's right now, no driving across the creek and waiting on the bridge or having to worry about getting him in before he dies..You want to do your business over there then shut up when part of it bites you in the butt.. I don't blame the vets at all....
Mark Brown 10/17/2013 2:31:03 PM Report
For those of you who are interested in knowing the details of what will be discussed at tonight's Planning Advisory Committee (PAC) meeting, namely the Rural Area Zoning Lot Severance Policy review, the Agenda can be viewed here:
Hope to see you, or your written input submitted to firstname.lastname@example.org , at the PAC meeting tonight.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:05:32 PM Report
Personally, I don't think Cruz is stupid. Not like 'Dubya stupid' anyway. He was dumb to the nth. Having said that, smart people do dumb things for personal reasons, usually gain. He put himself on the political map (with the help of the Koch brothers), for better or worse. Survey says, for the worse. And 24 billion dollars is real money!
A sad statement when the Tea Partiers were dancing around, high fiving one another and patting each other on the back, when they caused the shutdown of the government. Oh, that's right, 'we didn't cause the shutdown...yes we did...no they didn't...yes they did'!!!
In typical narcissistic fashion of adolescents, they want their cake and they want to...
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:09:22 PM Report
Seems Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau are on the verge of suspension without pay. There is a motion on the floor to achieve just such a goal.
Do we have an RCMP discovery coming up.
Grump 10/17/2013 4:12:08 PM Report
Will someone please advise all remaining Tea Party members to bend over, put their head between their legs, raise their head, pucker up and kiss their butts goodbye. Wisen Canada is not kind to intellectuals, Remember Ignatieff who likely taught Cruz at Harvard, particularly one of the Granola gang, flakes, fruits or nuts. That said I'm sure we have more than our share of the Right Wing Granola gang with us now. One has to pay for their sins but this is becoming ridiculous.
Grump 10/17/2013 4:16:09 PM Report
Big B. Poor old Duffy has gone on sick leave. I expect Duffy will get a Harper bailout or we will be into spill the beans time.
cathyh 10/17/2013 4:23:17 PM Report
Does a Canadian senator still get paid if they are on sick leave?
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:27:45 PM Report
I'm sure they would if they were only on medical leave. But one expert was just asked that question on CBC and he doesn't think the Duffster will qualify, because the suspension supercedes the medical leave.
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:45:45 PM Report
I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head....Duffster will be singing like the Mormon Tabernacle choir when the funds dry up.
He and his cronies are 'twerking' my Karma. I don't actually enjoy watching a train wreck, but these guys are not giving any of us a choice. It is a public office they were so honorably appointed to. Shame on them for abusing a gift most would respect and cherish. There has to be a veteran somewhere in Canada, who may need a hand up and could use such a gift.
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:50:12 PM Report
But, rest assured, we will all be able to choose our preferred channels now. That's it....I'm now a proud member of CRAP! If only they had done this years ago. Being a single issue voter, they finally hit on my burning issue.
KENNEDY919 10/17/2013 4:52:24 PM Report
I applaud your good intentions but
how many levels of scrutiny does a democracy require? Lets just take our local government. You have the hired bureaucrats at City Hall educated in their field of endeavour. Then you have the elected mayor and council. Then we have committees of appointed citizens who serve on various committees with members of council.Added to this are the educational boards of the various school systems and PUC elected members.
Many public sector decisions are also reinforced by high priced consultants who must provide backup for the decisions made.
Then you have the various members of the Fifth Estate from television,Print or online media that scrutinize every move. At the end of the day you have the all important voter who can cast his vote for change or the status quo.
There is a distinct difference between the myth and reality of transparency when decisions are made in the public sector. During the Federal reign in Ottawa more federal funds were allotted over a Thursday night poker game than anything accomplished in the pomp and circumstance of the legislature. If an MP discusses a matter with a Cabinet Minister in the Parliament's cafeteria is this appropiate.Where does transparency start or end ? Government and Politics involves a collection of many people with various interests and relationships in and out of their party.It is these relationships that initiate most policy and the spending of our tax dollars. How much scrutiny and transparency is there in the PMO office? It is here where Conservative MPs receive their marching orders and become political pylons at our expense.
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 4:56:36 PM Report
At least Harb had the decency to resign. Putting the general public through this obscene exercise is disgusting.
And shame on Harper for appointing such shallow people. This whole sad story is as much a reflection of him as it is of any of the people he appointed.
Spellchecker 10/17/2013 5:02:07 PM Report
Spellchecker 10/17/2013 5:03:59 PM Report
Looks like a junior Tea Party. More power to them.
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 5:22:28 PM Report
Try reading/listening to something that isn't so blatantly partisan. It's a PAC, looking for donations to their cause. That is called 'having an agenda'! It's on the internet....it must be true!
Spellchecker 10/17/2013 5:28:46 PM Report
As if you libs aren't partisan.
northernmale 10/17/2013 5:45:23 PM Report
just curious Before you start pointing fingers at me maybe you should read it again. Its not about where you take your pet its about how they can let an animal die because there owner took them some place else. Like that's the animals fault. And why people get charged for pet abuse when the. Drs take an oath and they can sit and let an animal suffer and die. They should be charged. Tell me its not all about money.And as for your Vet on tilley road you can have him I used to go there and I can tell you a story about them . But we will leave it at that. And now I go over the river.
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 6:28:09 PM Report
I keep waiting for the neo-con response to both messes here and in the US.
I discount my friend Spelly because he doesn't vote so his opinion is less than credible.
But I'm waiting for the Goggled/Rush word on how being a redneck is good.
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 6:33:40 PM Report
When I mentioned lightweights in a earlier post I believe one of them thinks Princeton University founded in 1746 is not a real University. I believe she is the former low information poster aka "eversons". Fly, take her under your wing. Work your magic.
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 6:47:36 PM Report
Fly, the mess "here" is a figment of the imagination of enraged libs/dippers. That Canada is in the best economic shape of any of the G8 countries, (by not overspending on stimulus as demanded) and that has recently been voted as the 5th best place in the world to live, makes you and your ilk livid.
When Harper brings home the free trade agreement with the E.U. you'll be positively catatonic. It will be glorious!
Mark Brown 10/17/2013 7:10:07 PM Report
There really only needs to be one level of scrutiny... one that works!
And the only one that truly works in my experience, KENEDY919, is personal integrity... the personal integrity of each and every individual that participates in the process of spending taxpayer dollars, namely citizens, city staff, recommendation offering Board and Committee members, and City Council.
Without personal integrity in each and every one of those people there will always be wasted tax dollars, and a community that is less than the best that it possibly can be.
We're all in this thing together after all.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
flyhawk25 10/17/2013 7:36:16 PM Report
And 'the sun's gonna come up tamarra...'
Let's assume that Harper comes back with a treasure chest of goodies, a cure for cancer and Michael Jackson's other glove.
The bum has still run roughshod over the democratic process.
The senate scandal smells from sea to shining sea.
And that's just one example of how he's tried to govern Canada like his own private kingdom.
Nice try but go back to having a friend read you the stock market report.
Grump 10/17/2013 7:37:41 PM Report
For goodness sake Wisen come out of your catatonic neo-con state and smell the manure.
Grump 10/17/2013 7:43:08 PM Report
Big B. I hate to deliver the sad news. That was one of the items that the commentators last evening thought would be impossible to implement and police. Looks like another Tory fairy tale.
mallet 10/17/2013 8:40:07 PM Report
Big bro and grump...
I think you know where my political views lay, and I for one will agree to either elect senators or do away with it all together, and either will be good as far as I am concerned, but until the supreme Court comes down with the legal way to do that we are stuck with the present system. Now as far as when senators are appointed how to tell a persons integrity, have they been convicted in the past, are they in debt and can be bribed, has their past employment been tainted by rumour of dishonesty, if the answer to all those questions is in the negative, how do you tell that they will become dishonest once appointed?? I really do not know how anybody can give an answer to the honesty of someone else, if there is no hint of dishonesty in the past, as far as Duffy and Wallin is concerned they had fairly high profile media jobs and I cannot recall there was any whiff of dishonesty around their behaviour. Mr Brazeau, I do not know what his credentials were for getting his seat in the upper house, but I understand he was involved in various First Nation activities. If you have some magic formula for ascertaining a persons honesty, patent quickly you will make a fortune...
lowla 10/17/2013 9:12:01 PM Report
Brazeau was appointed because he dissed his own people, Harper liked that
Prometheus 10/17/2013 9:25:08 PM Report
Marc Harb resigned to protect his pension not because he had a sense of decency.
Whether or not he is convicted of any crime, because he resigned before any verdict was rendered, he will still receive a pension for his combined MP and senator time - in the order of 28 years at $123,000 per year, and in the event of his death his wife will receive 60 percent of that figure.
Former Liberal senator Raymond Lavigne is collecting a $79,000 pension while serving time in an Ottawa jail.
The three Conservative senators have no vested pension rights although Pamela Wallin may be close due to her service in the Liberal administration as Consul-general in New York.
mallet 10/17/2013 9:27:55 PM Report
I do not know the gentleman and had never heard of him until the senate scandal came to light. As I have said before on this page I doubt many people can name 8 senators besides Duffy and Wallin and you would be hard pressed to name 20 MPs if you exclude the leaders of the parties, unless of course you google the information. This is the sad part of politics, that the members are so unmemorable, which is perhaps why we have the likes of Harper. The Pearson, Dief, Churchills and FDRs have all gone and what we are left with is the rest of the story!!! Plagarised I Know!!!
Hunter101 10/17/2013 9:56:07 PM Report
Ted Cruz, Ron Paul...
What do they have in common?
They tell it like it is and give reasonable solutions. You don't have any feel-good responses from these guys. Ron Paul even predicted many events that happened 20 years after. No, no, no. He isn't a "prophet," just an intelligent man. Cruz is right up there with them.
Remember people, the US isn't supposed to be like Canada. Americans enjoy their freedom. Canadians enjoy (I personally don't) their socialism.
BIG BROTHER 10/17/2013 10:19:23 PM Report
If Harper isn`t to be blamed for choosing poor quality people for the Senate, he should surely be held accountable for his lack of action towards cleaning up the mess. And his attempts at covering up are sure a sign of poor judgement. Ultimately, it is his character that is in question.
Oldie Goldie 10/17/2013 10:54:32 PM Report
Big Brother=== Harb resigned by going on Pension---He didn't quit---He knew he was going to be kicked out of the Senate so he took his Pension and left---A Pension that only you or I could dream of.
Oldie Goldie 10/17/2013 11:06:54 PM Report
Right Wing--Good for you to find a few plusses in the Canada--E.U. Trade deal--if and when it comes. All 10 Provinces and all 28 countries in Europe have to agree and we already have Quebec opposed because they will loose Millions in their Dairy Industries--Ontario too is fighting it.
I don't think that all the European Countries will agree either.
It could take, at least, a year to complete any Deal so why has Harper gone to Brussels at this time---if not to avoid the Opposition in Parliament.
Why didn't Harper send his Minister of Trade instead.
It is as bad as Harper and his crew being invited to speak to U.S. Business people and having to pay their own bills.
It looks to me as if Harper invited himself.
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 11:18:05 PM Report
Now, now Fly, no need to be catty. The TSX did hit 13,000 today. Just wonderful!
Grump learned a new word "catatonic" . You're welcome grumper.
Fly, having any luck tutoring TP? You make a wonderful couple. Dumb and dumber. (you started it).
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 11:34:58 PM Report
OG ... Poor, poor Oldie. He's going to sign a very important free trade agreement with the European Union. It's what leaders' do. It will rival Nafta in it's importance. The Trade Minister along with Jean Charest are in China drumming up more busines
I tire of having to tell you people everything!
Wisenheimer 10/17/2013 11:45:57 PM Report
Breaking News ... China reports better growth for Q3 at 7.8 %. Should bode well for the TSX tomorrow. Australian markets ( similar to ours) up nicely on the news.
Fly, you need to get in the game!
Jimssm 10/18/2013 5:55:00 AM Report
If you don't like it here you can always go south and work for Cruz.
BIG BROTHER 10/18/2013 5:57:46 AM Report
Mac (not Marc) Harb repaid the money,in full; the money that the Senate committee claimed he took in fraudulently. The auditor stated to the committee that they didn't have enough information to make the demand, but the Senate Finance Committee felt there was enough information. Now, having repaid the owed? money, he still resigned and rode off into the sunset with his golden pension. But his proactive response has saved himself and us from the viewing of the slaughter. Duffy and company should do the same thing (repay the money) and wait for the final word from the Auditor General. Does he (Harb) have a bad odor emitting from him?.....yup!!! But the repayment and the resignation have alleviated it somewhat.
You are sounding like an echo. I've already heard what Prometheus stated.