Mark Brown 10/6/2013 5:49:50 AM Report
Good morning all (wtkftgfskipperdave,waalftbwys),
For those who missed the funeral mass of John Fagan, you missed something very special.
We congregants, friends and family all, were regaled with the story of John Fagan, a loving man, raised in the loving home of a police officer and a teacher, who initially sought his calling in the Seminary, but who could not find true peace and contentment there.
We were told the story of John Fagan, a loving man who eventually found his calling, true peace, and contentment through a little red fireball, his love and everlasting life partner, Eileen.
We learned that even though John Fagan had a love of Maths and Science it was not the subjects he taught, rather it was the STUDENTS, each of whom he demonstrated his love and caring towards with each and every interaction, which turned out to be his true professional calling.
We learned of John Fagan's boundless love for his children and grandchildren who he was, "always with and beside", and who he constantly and unyieldingly demonstrated his love and caring for, and which manifested itself in the raw and beautiful display of love through the storytelling, biblical readings, contemplative prayer participation and song singing of all of his children and grandchildren at yesterday's funeral mass.
We heard the story John Fagan, a loving man who would, "give you the shirt from his back, and then go and buy another one at Value Village", and how he returned home to Ireland to attend his mother's funeral, but the airline lost his luggage which contained his only suit. So his brother bought him a brand new shiny suit for the funeral, and it was the one suit he continued to use thereafter, and which he was immensely proud of. John Fagan was a loving man who took pride in all of his possessions, no matter how meager or how grand.
We heard the stories of John Fagan's loving contributions to his extended family, our community, even though it kept him from spending every precious minute with the ones he loved most, his blood family, because he loved us like his blood family too. To John Fagan we were ALL blood relatives deserving of all of his love and caring attention.
We heard the story of John Fagan, a loving man who amazingly, "always stayed completely focused on you whenever he was talking with you, never thinking of what had just passed nor of what was to come, just being there in the moment with you", as Father Hamish Currie put it.
And finally, we heard that the message of the loving John Fagan's life is to DEMONSTRATE your love for each and every one of your fellow human beings at every interaction with them.
Rest in peace loving John Fagan.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Jimssm 10/6/2013 8:10:47 AM Report
Never paint the pole !
No matter how many coats you apply, it still snags the nylons.
Have a good day everyone. Chins up despite the cold rains.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 8:27:51 AM Report
I've had some time to reflect on shakespeare's excellent recent comment on how people process facts.
It struck me at the time how right he was and as a teacher I was disappointed that I hadn't recognized it before.
Forming an opinion is really analyzing facts and then synthesizing an informed opinion. It should include multiple sources and points of view.
Too often we are subjected to people simply rearranging their prejudices, not forming their own balanced opinion. Or finding one source to support their view or one study agreeing with them - making the hole fit their peg as it were.
It is really what education is about - training the mind to seek facts to support an hypothesis.
While it is true that we all have opinions on most things some are flawed.
I thank him for reminding me.
Budster 10/6/2013 8:45:20 AM Report
Good morning gang. Was pretty busy yesterday and just finished reading the archives. Great news about the skipper and would gladly attend a welcome home tribute.
Play nice in the sand box all and have a great day.
right wing 10/6/2013 9:43:06 AM Report
"It is really what education is about - training the mind to seek facts to support an hypothesis."
Could not agree more.
...and the best source available for that in today's modern world is something called the internet accessed via a computer...you have to be careful, verify sources. What is this known as...well most call it "googling".
Of course my lefty pals on here still use their well worn sets of Encyclopedia Britannica, they would never "google", googling is for "resident experts" like me.
Jimssm 10/6/2013 9:47:11 AM Report
Shakes and Fly...
Great posts regarding facts and how people mold and knead them to fit their own prejudged opinions.
Reminds me of an incident just yesterday outside a local department store. We had just purchased items there and were leaving, a group of 4 of us. My wife and I (whites), my Asian son and my son from Sudan (black).
My wife's purse has a nasty habit of setting off the shoplifting alarms when leaving the store, don't know why but it always has. I was carrying a store bag full of items, my Asian son was carrying another.
The alarms go off and the store manager comes running after us into the mall. Guess who the manager wanted to check ? Not the two white people with bags and purse,.... not the Asian with a bag and bulky coat..... He wanted the black boy (who wasn't even wearing a jacket) to accompany him back to the store to empty his pockets. His exact words were "I'm sure you stole something".
It was only after my wife strolled back and forth through the sensors, setting the alarm off each time, that he let it go. (interesting that he didn't bother checking inside my wife's purse)
We left but before leaving the mall, we got angrier and angrier and ended up returning $150 worth of purchases to the store. We made sure to advise the manager as to why.
right wing 10/6/2013 10:03:22 AM Report
You do seem to run into some interesting situations.
I have friends in the Sault that raised two children, not of their own race, from infants, they are both grown now and had a few sketchy occurrences but nothing like you have experienced.
Unfortunate that you have run into some real "winners".
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 10:05:15 AM Report
There is nothing wrong with Googling in itself.
But to just seek one source with an opinion that one agrees with and then making that point with no thought to balance is like visiting a library and not reading. Or walking through a university campus.
Developing an informed opinion takes work and thought. It takes discipline. Like any skill it needs to be practiced to be refined.
Unfortunately in today's instant messaging world and news based on sound bytes and geared to one particular audience based on advertising sales we can become victims of manipulation.
Read, watch, analyze and think. Be prepared to discard ideas that are flawed.
While formal education is no guarantee of arriving at truth it is a tool for becoming a mature thinker.
Mark Brown 10/6/2013 10:16:16 AM Report
Either that, flyhawk25, or be a cab driver... we know everything... or at least we think we do. :)
right wing 10/6/2013 10:25:22 AM Report
...which is why I stated that you have to be careful and verify sources.
That briefly summed it up...or so I thought.
Big Bad Bob 10/6/2013 10:38:04 AM Report
In the final analysis, experience is frequently the best teacher. I’ve met individuals with little or no formal education or training who know more that is useful and practical, and put it to better use for humanity, than certain so-called learned ones who have never in their lives had a single thought for anyone but themselves.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 10:49:04 AM Report
Altruism is learned at home. However home schooling does leave out some critical elements in the larger picture.
Prime example of a self educated wise man was Eric Hoffer - a longshoreman and philosopher who President Kennedy listened to and ask for help from on utopian living.
Part of Kennedy's genius was tapping all kinds of resources to improve things.
Which brings me back to my earlier point.
right wing 10/6/2013 11:00:59 AM Report
You can understand why some folks hate "googling", at the touch of some buttons the flip flopping can be put directly into ones face.
Obama as a Senator in 2006: "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
Fast forward to just a couple of days ago....
In a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press released Saturday, Obama said he expects Congress will increase the country's $16.7 trillion debt ceiling so the United States can borrow more money.
"America has never not paid its bills, and I've said repeatedly that that's not something anybody should be threatening," he said. "The potential default of the United States, where we are essentially deadbeats, that's never happened."
I'm just guessing but the spin would be that 16.7 trillion is somehow not failed leadership anymore...or threatening ????
irishfey 10/6/2013 11:10:03 AM Report
Morning all.. Jimssm> thanks for the "pole" tip, lol.. So sorry that there are still a** holes in this country, and to do that to your Son was just plain Racist !!!!! I hope you made your voice LOUD AND CLEAR when you returned the items, so the rest of the customers could hear. Sad,, but your going to have to teach your children that not all people are like this but some still are.. I hope the Store fires the guy !!!! Have a great day folks...
soowat 10/6/2013 11:13:12 AM Report
Chris Wallace on Fox News pointed out most of the flip flops you wrote about. Funny thing is a few minutes later George Stephanopoulos on ABC was interviewing John Boehner and pointed out some of his flip flops. If you combine those two specific examples with a multitude of others one has an excuse to view politicians as those most able to do an imitation of a fish out of water
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 11:14:22 AM Report
I just watched an interview with Speaker Boehner. Talk about flip flopping.
In the past he's said just the opposite to what he is saying now.
Both sides will defend their positions as being flexible.
In the Republican case they failed to get anywhere with health care and now they are hitting on deficit.
In Obama's case he is playing tough guy or political Russian roulette with the economy. He wants to use this to clobber the GOP in the next election.
Then I watched Rand Paul's interview. That guy is delusional. A perfect example of someone cherry picking 'facts' and selling it as truth.
In the end it is a mess that could throw the US and the rest of us into a depression worse than 2008.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 11:16:46 AM Report
soowat...the minute you quoted Fox News you lost me. That is far removed from news. Widen your horizons. Might even look at world opinion on this mess.
On Fox the world ends at the US border.
Mark Brown 10/6/2013 11:34:38 AM Report
Dear "flip-flop" debaters,
Why must someone's position remain the same when there is a change of their understanding of a situation?
To stay with the same opinion when you have empirically valid information that a contradictory opinion is better than your original opinion is simply to be a dogmatic ideologue.
Perhaps, in a lot of the quoted situations above, YOUR understanding of the actual issue is lacking. Perhaps the actual issue is simply, "say anything to oppose the opposition".
Or not, carry on...
Sincerely and Respectfully,
mallet 10/6/2013 11:41:18 AM Report
I like to use the BBC world news for reference myself, something I was brought up with and, well found reasonably non biased. They said the IMF was telling the US to start to get its debt under control, the other day, and when they start talking, that country should start listening, otherwise see Greece, Spain, and a few others, unless they (the US) want to end up in the same boat. The unemployment figures in those countries are horrendous, especially amoung young people. I know countries are different but a person, after maxing out their credit cards, would be very, shall we say silly, to ask for a greater limit. Sometime in the future that debt has to be paid, and it will be the future generations who will have to shoulder that burden, and will they be willing to do that???
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 11:58:24 AM Report
And I see no reason to think that the next generation will exercise restraint.
They live in an instant gratification world already fueled by a society that lists 'shopping' as a hobby.
I am sounding like an old fart but I think that time is running out on our consumer society.
Work is seen by too many as a four letter word.Who works, saves and waits with instant credit?
Brianne 10/6/2013 12:22:14 PM Report
Jim , I would certainly contact head office of that store ! Too bad you cant post the name of it so we could stop shopping there !
I would have made that manager apologize till he was blue in the teeth !
Jimssm 10/6/2013 12:34:02 PM Report
What's wrong with flip-flops ?
They're not good when you have to walk a long ways but they're great at the beach.
Mark Brown 10/6/2013 12:47:36 PM Report
LOL Jimssm... I'm still smiling :)
As for your previous post Jimssm, there are laws against false arrest. If the store security guard actually touched your son, either to stop him or hold him while escorting him back to the store, then you can have the security guard charged with false arrest I believe.
In any case, the prejudicial behaviour shown by the security guard is inexcusable, he should have asked all of you to stop and return to the store.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
All Is Well 10/6/2013 12:54:33 PM Report
When the facts change or the situation changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?
Grump 10/6/2013 1:17:30 PM Report
Good afternoon everyone. Susie's meetings were cancelled for today so we went shopping this A.M. A small problem, it was 8.00 A.M. and the stores don't open until 10.00. We decided to try to get in to see Skipper Dave and them come home. Both the security guard on the Front Desk and the Nurse on the station on Dave's floor could not have been more accommodating. Dare I say SAH could take some lessons there? Again Skipper was sitting up and seemed delighted to have company and a large Timmies. We gabbed away until his breakfast arrived and then we headed home. That damn paper work in my office didn't do it's self again. Have a great afternoon and evening all.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 1:37:39 PM Report
Grump...any indication when the Skipper might return home?
soowat 10/6/2013 2:41:35 PM Report
Don't get y'r knickers in a knot regarding my comment about watching Fox news. I also watch MSNBC,NBC,CBS and ABC. Once in awhile I also listen to Rush and Sean-like when I need a good chuckle
Of course I also do the major Canadian news sources
Wisenheimer 10/6/2013 3:38:57 PM Report
Fly .. with Joe Trippi, James Carville, George Will (rhino), from ABC, and Howie Kurtz from CNN all moving over to Fox News, it won't be long before you're lapping it up like a little puppy. You need to get with the program.
Wisenheimer 10/6/2013 3:49:03 PM Report
Soowat . Fly is not mad at you for watching FOX NEWS. As long as you continue to watch the embarrassing MSNBC, and the other liberal claptrap, he will continue to like you.
Grump 10/6/2013 4:06:33 PM Report
Fly, sorry I was digging into the pile of bookwork I neglected to escape to Sudbury and just saw your post now. For a fellow who roughly a week ago caused the Hospital to call his family down he looks remarkably good. They have him on a program to increase his lung capacity and that will I guess determine when he is getting home. He said about a week but patients always want to go home early. Then again if he is improving that quickly it will take a Mack truck to hold him there. I really wouldn't expect it to be more than a couple of weeks and I certainly wish him God's speed. Better give Wisen a little pat on the head as he craves your attention badly. LMAO
DutchTouch 10/6/2013 4:45:54 PM Report
It's been the kind of day to stay home and catch up on all the comments.
Quite civil for the most part.
Like everyone, I miss the Skippers comments and am happy to hear he is doing much better now. Good for him.
He's made of the tough stuff. Grump I'm glad you had a chance to visit
with the Skipper.
Flyhawk, your teaching skills show when you try to make sense of all the turmoil
in the world today and I always love to read them.
Jmssm, I'm sorry your son was put through such a horribly prejudice. We are not all like that.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 6:24:33 PM Report
Dutchie...good to hear from you again!
I hope that all is well on the island.
What our friend does not realize is that George Will is now with Fox news and he is also one of my heroes even though I disagree with his politics. I also bought all of his books.
So as the leaves fall let's celebrate our differences and continue civil discourse.
irishfey 10/6/2013 6:35:40 PM Report
Hello all. Was seeing all the stuff on here about opinions. Forming an opinion can be caused by "" feelings " also. For instance... you can be out in public wearing a red pokadot shirt, a pink tie and green and yellow stripped pants. Someone looks at you and thinks your nuts, according to their feelings of their standard of dress.. hence.. an opinion is formed. And your feelings are hurt as you think they are laughing at you,[ which you probably deseve for dressing like that ,lol ] and another opinion is formed that is that they are rude.... Same as Jimssm getting madder and madder when he realized of what just went down concerning his Son. He didn"t have to go home and "" google "" it to check and see if his opinion of the a** hole was right and to get other points of views to back up his thought that the guy was a Racist [ which he was ]. Sometimes an opinion is formed very quickly and is usually right. ... Just thought i"d throw that out there.. Have a great night folks..
shakespeare 10/6/2013 6:50:02 PM Report
Thanks for your kind comment this morning, fly. It seems to have sparked some interesting comments. For everyone, check out Bloom's Taxonomy of Learning. Good old Ben started this in the 1950s and it was one of my favourite areas of research, teaching and writing. It stands the test of time. It is a pyramid with knowledge (facts) being at the bottom and judgement being at the top. Many tend to work the other way. They make a judgement (opinion) and work backwards to force the facts to support that position.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 7:12:35 PM Report
And of course I have Bloom hardwired into me. So I should have known better.
Bottom line as you say this got some people thinking.
shakespeare 10/6/2013 7:29:36 PM Report
It's great to see that Greyson and Loubani have been released ... but not that paperwork needs to be completed and passports have to be found. "Now which drawer did we put those passports in, Abdul?"
Mr. Poster 10/6/2013 9:57:53 PM Report
I enjoy FOX NEWS. I did not know flyhawk was the evaluator of what news we should watch. Its like telling me a Ford is better than a Buick...everyone has an opinion. I take all so called news centres with a grain of salt anyhow. I also find it interesting that suddenly most news has become BREAKING NEWS.
flyhawk25 10/6/2013 10:05:52 PM Report
Mr. Poster...I'm not.
Watch what you want to watch. The beauty of a free society is that no one can tell us what to watch or to think.
I don't happen to like Lima beans but many do. So what?
We all make choices so enjoy yours.
statusquo 10/6/2013 10:34:32 PM Report
"I enjoy FOX NEWS"
Make an appointment with your healthcare provider.
Wisenheimer 10/6/2013 10:38:27 PM Report
Breaking news .. PM of Malaysia announces a staggering $36 billion investment by Petronas to build a liquified natural gas plant and pipelines in Western Canada. He touted the many jobs that will be created. PM Harper in Asia for the summit commented on the exciting news. Mean while Obama cancels his visit to the summit to try to save his crumbling Presidency and further demonize the Keystone XL pipeline to Cushing, Okla. Apparently he doesn't need the jobs that project would provide. He does have 47 million of his citizens on food stamps though.
Wisenheimer 10/6/2013 10:42:29 PM Report
SNL joked about Prime Minister Justin Bieber on last night's show. You can't make this stuff up.