Mark Brown 10/2/2013 6:19:15 AM Report
Good morning all (especially you skipper dave),
At the Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee Meeting yesterday I was glad to hear that Senior City Staff are making it a priority, in ALL Committees and sub-Committees and Working Groups, to have Meetings operate in a manner that the Municipal Act requires them to act.
I'm glad NOT because of some control-freakish, power-tripping, ego-maniacal, giddy-schoolgirl personal trait of mine, I am glad because it will give EACH AND EVERY MEMBER of each and every Committee a GUARANTEE of TIME to ask THEIR questions, and make THEIR comments on every single issue of importance that comes before their Committee!
The citizens who volunteer their significant time and effort to be on these Committees are ALL dedicated individuals who are passionate about the subject matter of their Committees and passionate about doing their part to help make our community the best place that it can possibly be for all of us citizens!
We, the citizens of Sault Ste. Marie, owe a serious debt of gratitude to each and every one of these caring, hardworking Committee Volunteers, and I'm glad to see that there will now be a FORMAL opportunity for each and every one of them to provide their unique point of view, and ask the questions that they feel are important, on EVERY topic that appears on the Committee Agenda.
That opportunity, for every member of each Committee to provide their input, probably already happened before in these Committee Meetings, but now there is a dedicated effort on the part of Senior City Staff to make it each Committee Member's opportunity for input FORMAL and GUARANTEED.
BRAVO, Committee Members, for all of the good and generous hard work that you do to help make our Sault Ste. Marie the BEST City in the world!
Sincerely and Respectfully,
P.S. Other interesting things like the one Gino Cavallo brought up: How does the Committee keep nominees of Community Awards confidential until a PRAC recommended winner of the Award is selected for the Consideration of City Council if all of the Committee Meetings, and Sub-Committee and Working Group meetings, require Public Notification of when and where the meetings are, and members of the public can hear who the nominees are and publish that information prior to a nominee being selected?
I'll be talking about that issue here in the View Room later on in the week, but WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK would be a good way to handle that situation?
TODAY - Tuesday October 2, 2013:
SSM Municipal Heritage Committee Meeting
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flyhawk25 10/2/2013 6:45:56 AM Report
SQ...you nailed it nicely last night.
Since then the House GOP has tried to create the appearance of co-operation by suggesting a bill which would allow the Senate and Executive to pick and choose government services which would continue if the Dems help them to kill Obamacare.
That way I guess they figure if folks complain about say museums being closed they can say they tried to compromise but Big Bad Obama wouldn't.
Not only are they brazen but they're stupid.
Aside from their own zealots the rest of America and much of the world seems them for what they are - narrow-minded screwballs intent on fighting a battle they can't win.
And as each day with the new health care begins and more people benefit the new reality becomes more enshrined.
With so many countries having government sponsored health care why do these few think it a bad idea unless they are beholding to lobby groups or intent on defeating a president who kicked their last two candidates' butts?
Now I'll wait for the Fox News spin on how the Tea Party are patriots trying to control Big Government.
And also count the number of nasty names some on here will use because their arguments are faulty.
David Poluck 10/2/2013 7:17:04 AM Report
What is the solution?
Each side is pressing for what they believe to be important.
If you had the power to break the stalemate. What would you do?
Mr. Poster 10/2/2013 7:33:15 AM Report
The good old USA needs a new strong party to give the electorate a choice. I suspect americans would toss these 2 current parties aside in a heartbeat if there was an alternative party with gonads.
right wing 10/2/2013 8:26:07 AM Report
Policy September 2009
How American Health Care Killed My Father
This article was written by a Democrat.
It is long but has to be one of the best thought out examinations of the American Health Care system, the past, the present and what Obamacare will bring in the future.
He offers some of the best ideas I've read on how to run a successful health care system.
Take some time and read it.
right wing 10/2/2013 8:55:58 AM Report
"That’s the premise behind today’s incremental approach to health-care reform. Though details of the legislation are still being negotiated, its principles are a reprise of previous reforms—addressing access to health care by expanding government aid to those without adequate insurance, while attempting to control rising costs through centrally administered initiatives. Some of the ideas now on the table may well be sensible in the context of our current system. But fundamentally, the “comprehensive” reform being contemplated merely cements in place the current system—insurance-based, employment-centered, administratively complex. It addresses the underlying causes of our health-care crisis only obliquely, if at all; indeed, by extending the current system to more people, it will likely increase the ultimate cost of true reform. "
The above is from the article.
This is the very core of what is wrong with Obamacare.
It's the same problem(s) just dressed up differently.
David Poluck 10/2/2013 9:00:35 AM Report
RW is our system any different?
KENNEDY919 10/2/2013 9:17:03 AM Report
In all democracies including the USA there are many different political views and economic interests. It is the responsibility of elected officials to work through those many differences and run the country. That is democracy. The system fails when a minority Bloc of elected officials refuse to work through those differences.
What really is mind boggling in the USA is that they can in a heartbeat come together to approve billions to bomb Syria yet they cannot agree to provide universal healthcare to the same citizens paying the taxes to support their military.
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 9:20:14 AM Report
When the government runs health care the costs get spread around as opposed to 'user pays'.
That is precisely why the GOP doesn't want it.The attitude of 'it's my money and not yours. I have coverage and why should I pay for yours' is the reason these guys are bringing government to a standstill.
The idea that the needier deserve what they have is not new. It's called the divine right of kings.
That's why democracy makes them uncomfortable.
Just be patient.After a while Obamacare will still not be perfect but over time enough will benefit and the Republicans won't have any voter base.
If there still is a country left.
right wing 10/2/2013 9:50:03 AM Report
No Obamacare will not.
Read the article and get back to me on what is specifically proposed in Obamacare that is going to fix what is already supposedly not working.
Remember...this article was written by a Democrat.
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 9:53:41 AM Report
DP...I think a solution is to do what Obama is currently doing.
Obviously he can sign an executive order to patch the leaks momentarily but the power to actually make laws is in the hands of congress.
Until the House actually blinks he's better off to watch and wait as the Tea Party implodes - at the expense of thousands of workers who will know where the blame sits.
Republicans like McCain can see where this is going and they'll have to kick some neo-con butts or risk a Democratic landslide in two years that further reduces their party to a footnote.
The politics of negativism only goes so far until the average person gets hurt.
right wing 10/2/2013 9:54:25 AM Report
Our system is great if you have a minor problem, need stitches, broken arm, simple infection etc., or you are on your death bed...in other words nothing can be done to fix you.
The rest in the middle, hip replacement, knee replacement, corrective surgeries...and the list goes on...stand in line and wait.
It is going to get worse as the balance of the aging population is now heading to outweighing the young working population that is supporting the whole deal.
right wing 10/2/2013 9:56:08 AM Report
Yes the average American will just forget when the true costs start sucking more money from their pockets.
Mr. Poster 10/2/2013 10:16:47 AM Report
Why would the AMERICANS not consider the Canadian health care system?
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 10:21:59 AM Report
I read the piece by the disenchanted Democrat.
It is too lengthy and complex to debate in detail here but he rightly points out the flaws in the current US system.
A close look reveals that some issues have been solved with innovative systems like the GHC which largely frees doctors to practice their craft and let the larger system handle the everyday issues.
Created as we know by a union and held as a gold standard.
Keep in mind that article was written by one man based on his terrible experience.
Hardly empirical data.
mallet 10/2/2013 11:01:03 AM Report
Gentlemen or Ladies...
Having been through 3 health care systems, I can honestly say that the present system in the US is the better.
Let me explain. The good old NHS in the UK, works so good that they had to break it up into NHS Trusts to be run locally, turned out not to be such a good idea really wait times are limited to 16 weeks to see a specialist and then the same length to have whatever treatment is required. Wait times are enforced.
Canadian system, anything from 4 to 8 months to see a specialist (depending on speciality) and depending on where you live wait times for treatment can vary greatly..
Both these systems praise their equality, but things are not what they seem, in the UK and here, A and E departments are flooded with people seeking help for minor problems, and in the UK ambulances have patients waiting in them because the hospitals have no room to put them.
I had a knee operation in the US (war memorial SSM mich) and my wife went to Petosky for hearing problems, in both cases, we were seen by the Drs AT the APPOINTED TIME or within minutes. My wife got the hearing aid she needed, when informed the people here, told "well we could have told you that" why didn't you then! For myself I hurt my knee at work, waited 6 hours to see the specialist at, never did see him, got referred to the US Dr, given appt he was there on time, he operated on me (day surgery) after at home got phone calls from the hospital regarding service,call from the Drs office if I needed any more pain relief, and a further call next day regard how I felt I was treated by the Hospital. Day surgery here for elbow problem, here's some T3 come back to the office in two weeks
I had insurance through my employers as part of the union negotiated wage package which allowed for the US surgery. So which would you take..
I could draw out our savings and go down to the states and then what, we would have to rely on what the government pays in pensions.
So let's sum this up, those nasty unions negotiate rotten wage/benifit packages which bankrupt corporations, or you have a system which groans under the strain of not enough money being provided by the governments, which brings it all down to the "filthy lukar" how much are you prepared to pay.. whether it be in taxes or private money... In the States you have a choice...
right wing 10/2/2013 11:43:58 AM Report
As Grump would say...LMAO...of course this Democrat is not part of family...the be all end all of empirical data.
What a hypocrite.
The article was well written, researched and back up.
Typical Libs...great ideas but who gives a sh*t who has to pay.
...and pay they will.
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 11:51:08 AM Report
Everybody pays that's who.
But that aside - the Tea Party is holding America hostage over a bill passed into law.
They also lost two presidential elections over it and saw their attempts to change it go in the dumper over forty times.
So let them get their revenge while they have offices.
Soon they'll be back home with their red neck constituents who whisper about a black guy in the oval office.
Not much has changed in my lifetime. America is still a divided country and fed by zealots intent on causing chaos to get their way.
Oldie Goldie 10/2/2013 12:17:20 PM Report
Right Wing---Please tell me how YOU would get Medical Coverage for 400,000 Americans who do not have it now because they cannot afford it ?
Please tell me how Insurance Companies who will not allow anyone to get Medical Coverage for pre-existing conditions will allow coverage where they banned it now---without dramatic increases in Fees ?
Please tell me how Hospitals who can charge up to $ 2500 for a simple Cat Scan will ever bring the price down so the Average American can afford it ?
Please tell me why the average American is charged $ 16 for 1 Tylenol while in Hospital---and $ 24 for 1 on weekends.
All the above examples are true and accurate from my own personal examples.
There are more like Hospitals charging for an Intensive Care bed and for a Regular Bed on the same day for the same patient--another personal example.
theprotector 10/2/2013 12:55:40 PM Report
that right right wing, health care should only be for the rich! Let the others pay their own way
right wing 10/2/2013 1:01:53 PM Report
Read the link I provided and get back to me.
right wing 10/2/2013 1:03:02 PM Report
...some of the most bizarre personal examples I've heard of.
Are you an American Oldie?
mallet 10/2/2013 1:11:14 PM Report
Are you saying the rich do not pay for their health care?? and that only the poor have to pay??
Or should you be saying that the rich pay for the best health care and the poor have to put up with little or no health care, because they do not pay??
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 1:18:52 PM Report
The US has two separate and different problems. Two of many.
The first is affordable health care for everyone. This is now the law.
The second is the mess in congress over the shut down of federal agencies.
That is a direct result of Republican action.
The logical adult solution would be to run against the issue of Obamacare in the next bi-election in two years and then again in the next presidential election.
Right now it is all posturing about a law in place by a minority of elected officials.
Time to return to the time of President Lincoln when a reverence for The Rule of Law was followed even during a civil war.
Hunter101 10/2/2013 1:47:58 PM Report
Which part of "The US cannot afford to give their citizens public healthcare" do you not understand?
They have 400,000,000 citizens that they know about. How will they support them? About 99% of them will rely on this system . A country such as Canada has under 1/10th of their population. and taxes twice as high. The healthcare costs are capped in Canada. These 3 things make it possible for a universal healthcare system (and one that blows, to boot.)
Look at how long people have to wait for surgeries. Look at how terrible the quality of care is.
Who answers to you when there is a problem with your healthcare or you don't get the care you need. The answer is no one.
mallet 10/2/2013 1:55:05 PM Report
As you so rightly say there are many problems in the US, however would you not say the republicans are doing what the people who elected them want them to do. I would hazard a guess that these people would have "opinioned" their voters to see if they were supporting them before they committed themselves to supporting the party ideas. I have a suspicion that there is more behind this than just the "obamacare" I think the 16Trillion ceiling is starting to be a problem and that they know full well this is not going to be a situation that can be easily fixed by any fancy means...
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 2:02:45 PM Report
mallet...the simple answer is yes.
We sometimes forget that the average voter is not necessarily open minded nor educated. But they have opinions and a vote.
A smart politician - read that one who wins consistently - knows the electorate and plays to it.It may seem phoney but it works.
mallet 10/2/2013 3:07:15 PM Report
It would be very nice if there were a few rules regarding funding and lobbying for politicians, as there seems to be very few if any, unless of course there is a ""wink wink nod nod" in effect. Perhaps a lot less being allowed to be spent on elections would encourage a few "logical" people to run who are not that well off or who pander to the lobby groups. Also maybe the politicians shoukld be less well paid and like as now in the US not get paid when they shut down the government and here they should not be paid while parliament is not sitting. I will admit I really do not understand the way the US government works regarding funding, but it seems that they do not budget enough and then have this hassle quite often. Do they do this to try and make the government seem to be trying to make do or is it a means to make the other side the bad guys??
T-rat 10/2/2013 3:25:06 PM Report
OBAMACARE: a lot of opinions being posted here on a very complicated subject, especially when some are making comparisons between health care in the USA and Canada. Do yourself a favour and go to the Globe & Mail website and look up Antonia Maioni's column headlined: Obamacare vs. Canada: Five key differences. It might bring some enlightenment to the subject. If nothing else it should prove that enemas, covered under either system could be big boost in eradicating a lot of the bullshit on the subject.
David Poluck 10/2/2013 3:53:27 PM Report
As a graduate of Bawating C&VS I took note of this article in the Star.
Any past alumni care to pass on their opinions.
Prometheus 10/2/2013 4:09:51 PM Report
While crossing the International Bridge today, I noticed the Canadian flag flying on the pole at the Marconi Hall is an absolute disgrace. It is frayed and torn with a piece flapping in the wind. It does not present a very good image for visitors or citizens entering Canada from the south.
shakespeare 10/2/2013 4:46:54 PM Report
Prometheus: I had a similar issue last year about the flags outside city hall and posted, like you, on here. Within a few days they were all taken down (I can't imagine that it was a result of my post). However it's nice to see them looking spiffy again this year with the Welsh flag in pride of place. It's much worse to fly a shabby flag than no flag at all. Let's see if anyone from the Marconi reads this forum.
Hunter101 10/2/2013 6:10:11 PM Report
A lot of opinions for sure. However, I posted nothing but current facts.
soowat 10/2/2013 6:10:23 PM Report
If people had the coverage and/or bank account tha you had they would be stupid do do anything other than waht you did.
The rest of us thank you and your wife for getting out of the road of us that aren't as rich as you
Oldie Goldie 10/2/2013 6:21:53 PM Report
Right Wing--I have Citizenship, legally, in both Canada and the U.S.A.
But because I reside in Canada I have to buy Health Insurance to travel to places like Florida for any length of time.
3 years ago I needed to be hospitalized in a Florida Hospital for 4 days--My Health Coverage was $ 5000 Deductible so I needed to put $ 4500 up front before I could get out of the Hospital.
I have the bills for my stay there and what I wrote are ACTUAL costs.
I argued about the dual room billing and they said that I could have been moved at any time from Intensive Care to a Regular room---that's their excuse for billing me for 2 rooms each day.
I finally won my argument on the double billing and they relented but they said that double billing is a common practice for Americans.
The bill for the Cat Scan was $ 2400 and they gave me a Senior's Discount or it would have been $ 2700.
On a total bill of $ 4500 that I sent to O.H.I.P. they refunded me $ 250.
O.H.I.P. said that they could have given me a Cat Scan, if I was home, for $ 50 paid by O.H.I.P.
Yes, right wing, these charges may appear, to you, to be bizarre but they are actual costs that I was billed.
Fortunately, for me, I had good coverage from my employer under Green Shield and, after 5 months of hassles with O.H.I.P. and Greenshield I was able to recover about 70 % of my bills.
You can also remember that I had to come up with the $ 4500 before I was able to leave the Hospital.
O yea---The American Health Care System is better than Canada's isn't it Right Wing.
Hunter101 10/2/2013 6:24:18 PM Report
soowat, that's a great point. But did you ever ask yourself "What happens when I'm waiting for a bed in Sudbury, dying slowly because I have heart failure, dealing with substandard services?"
I'll be the first to say, "you're welcome" for the tax money I forked out for your less than good healthcare.
I'd rather be in debt and live to tell about it.
Hunter101 10/2/2013 6:28:02 PM Report
Oldie, THAT is the reason why our Healthcare system is bad. $250? That isn't even the power bill for the CAT scan you just had. Doctors are underpaid, AND we have less doctors than the US. It is wild that someone would put a price on keeping themself alive.
Oldie Goldie 10/2/2013 6:43:05 PM Report
Right Wing---I tried to access the site you gave but my answer was--" no listing for that site ".
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 7:16:07 PM Report
shakes...funny but I was born in the states and my attitude towards the flag is hard-wired into me.
I do not let my flag too get worn and have flown it proudly for years. Even my kids, now grown, know that it never - never - touches the ground or it must be carefully disposed.
Some may see that as silly but it is important to this Canadian.
David Poluck 10/2/2013 7:17:41 PM Report
Watching the after the meeting press frenzy at the White House.
Too bad the meeting wasn't televised.
I'm growing weary of the spin.
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 7:32:36 PM Report
DP...you are not alone.
Speaker Boehner came out of the 90 minute meeting and said nothing but issued a statement 'The president will not negotiate'.
There is nothing to negotiate.
Obamacare is law and muddling its way through.
The economy is tanking while Boehner and his handlers posture.
Meanwhile the people in many areas of the country aren't getting paid.
Wait two years for the next election. Being a Republican will be like having a disease. Boehner et al better stock up on the expensive booze while they still have a salary.
shakespeare 10/2/2013 7:42:46 PM Report
Two headlines from TO today:
"Toronto Mayor Rob Ford 'very surprised' by friend's drug charges"
"Rats on the rise in Toronto"
Fly, re the flags. I have never been a strong endorser of flying flags as I always remember Peter Ustinov's comments about how much violence has been committed under the mindless allegiance to a flag.
I do recall, however, in my first years in Canada how surprised I was to see so many Canada flags flying (apart from World Cup matches, you see hardly any in the U.K.) but it also struck me how tattered and unkempt many of them were.
It struck me that there was an "I'm so proud to be Canadian" that drifted into a "yeah, whatever"
Grace 10/2/2013 7:46:28 PM Report
I think this all could have been settled at the last election if there would have been on the ballot a clear, concise and neutral question to the people if they wanted Obama care plan.
Would have set a clear direction for the elected representatives to follow.
mallet 10/2/2013 8:33:48 PM Report
What on earth makes you think I am rich. The procedure I had done in the US cost me 5$ the Steel Plant health insurance paid the rest. I am retired and I enjoy a few pensions, from the UK (which I paid into) CPP (which I paid into) Inco (part of wage package) and what I have managed to put away myself. However I have worked in places that many would not be seen dead in, from the Artic to Africa and places inbetween, because of layoffs, lack of work and other reasons, mostly financial I had to leave my family at home and travel, so yes, I am fairly comfortable, thank you. I did not wait for jobs to come to me I went to them, was it easy? nope, but I did what I did what I had to, so I can now enjoy the rest of my life.
Everyone has had the same chances to make a comfortable life for themselves as I, you do not want to, that is not my fault.
flyhawk25 10/2/2013 8:44:14 PM Report
Grace...first of all if you think this stuff is messing with the two hundred year traditions of American politics, imagine how difficult it would have been to get a referendum on every ballot.
The issue was clearly defined and debated ad nauseum prior to the election.
In the presidential election it was clear and Romney lost.
In the house and senate races it depended on who was running where.
In some instances Obama could not have won if he gave every voter a new car. Or tractor. But the senate and house candidates had many other issues that were more important to their voters.
Consequently we now have a mixed demographic.
With many more people in the US it is difficult to get a clear sense of who will do what and when.
But that is the bauty of the system.
Wouldn't you just love a yes or no vote on our prime minister?
Two different systems and two different cultures.
irishfey 10/2/2013 8:54:11 PM Report
Just a thought, but why does it have to called "" Obamacare"" ?? Could it not have been called "" the U.S Health Care" ?? Is this why Obama is not budging on it as he wants his name to be a legacy??... Just a thought... hmmmm ,night all... Therapy at the Hospital was as brutal as always,, but worth it.. ouch ,lol
irishfey 10/2/2013 9:08:08 PM Report
Seen a special last year of the guy [ can"t remember his name ] but he was an N.D.P.Leader many years ago that really helped put Canadas Health Care into effect... don"t see his name on it... THink he was Keifer Sutherlands Mothers Father. Might be wrong, but the name rings a bell...
irishfey 10/2/2013 9:18:46 PM Report
lol.. mind just kicked in ,lol... was Tommy Douglas... night night
BIG BROTHER 10/2/2013 9:24:14 PM Report
It's not called 'Obamacare' as a flattering name. Obamacare is the name assigned by the GOP thinktanks, in order to denigrate Obama and the bill. In reality, it is called the 'Affordable Health Care Act. That is the official name of the bill.
Tommy Douglas is the name of the 'father' of the Canada Health Act. He was instrumental in causing the government of the day to do the right thing and pass the act in Canada.
BIG BROTHER 10/2/2013 9:34:24 PM Report
Shakey beat me too it Fly, but I also abstain from waving the flag too much. Such behavior can lead to blindness and there is nothing more dangerous than blind faith in a symbol.
This doesn't mean to say that I think it's okay for a flag to be flown, while in disrepair. I just don't think the flag need be cleaner than the hands of the politicians and people who hide behind it!
irishfey 10/2/2013 9:34:59 PM Report
Big Brother.. thank you for clearing that up,, never said i was a genious ,lol... Glad to see i was a little right on the Tommy Douglas thing.Sweet dreams all..... Glad my therapy was " free "' lol
BIG BROTHER 10/2/2013 9:38:17 PM Report
Here's my favorite Tommy Douglas speech. Good for a laugh, if nothing else.
David Poluck 10/2/2013 9:40:05 PM Report
I'm just glad the quest for the cup has begun again. Leafs and Flyers nice close game.
The politics of hockey is much more civilized.