Grump 9/23/2013 6:47:09 AM Report
Good morning everyone, the days are certainly getting shorter now. Status ,my chum, just read last evenings posts and your stance on religion is softening so much. I expect to hear you are out Bible thumping with our other pal from the Island soon. lol. Thanks again for the fast and great service the other day. Nice to know someone that is an accomplished tradesman. The mines await my tired old body. Have a great day all.
bounder 9/23/2013 7:03:28 AM Report
I see the other day you were touting the import of foreign workers at Essar, so to-day you seem to be thankful for a tradesman . Glad you see the light. The bird for supper was delicious, stewed with vegetables and dumplings.
Mark Brown 9/23/2013 7:42:54 AM Report
Good morning all,
I had the opportunity to film the founding meeting of the Northeastern Ontario Association of Ratepayers where representatives from several Ratepayer and Citizen Associations from as far away as French River, Sudbury and North Bay came to share resources, stories and ideas.
North Bay shared a story about how their association has been ignored by their city council to hold the line or reduce taxes even though their year long financial research from publicly available documents has shown that their city is one of the highest taxed in the province, and their median income in the city is one of the lowest in Ontario, and their city staff received a total of a 17% increase for cost of living increases over a 4 year period.
right wing 9/23/2013 8:16:43 AM Report
"Scientifically and historically all religions can be taken apart and dismissed in the blink of an eye.
The truth of the matter is that we cannot know our origins or our destiny."
I will agree with the "religions can be taken apart".
"Scientifically"..... I'd debate you any day and using science build a very strong case that we did not accidentally evolve from some primordial soup but are the result of intentional creation by an intelligent creator.
irishfey 9/23/2013 8:17:13 AM Report
Morning to you all... This old bird hit the scratcher early last night,, was a wee bit jaded from all the banter yesterday . The chilly air is coming and Grump.. A male friend of mine that had a knee replacement last year said the cold weather really bothered his knee, so if your wee lassie can knit, best to make a knee warmer. Your all off the hook today as i have Dr.s to see and will be spending the night at me Moms as she"s ailing a bit and i don"t have a laptop ,lol.. Have a blessed and great day all.
theprotector 9/23/2013 8:22:06 AM Report
baahahahahaha @ right wing
irishfey 9/23/2013 8:22:46 AM Report
Rightwing.. you are correct on that one.. proplem with Religions is that they take what pieces of The Good Book that suits them and ignore the rest... Amen to your last part. lol.. the banter goes on without me... gotta run folks, long drive ahead of me.
As Usual 9/23/2013 9:08:10 AM Report
theprotector, how are you and I going to behave today?
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 9:11:11 AM Report
Some of the Islamist terrorists that are slaughtering non-Muslims in Nairobi were disguised as women. You know, just the eyes showing through their sausage wraps. Perhaps Marois has a point! Grump, perhaps you can shed some light on these goings on, with your worldly acumen and timely advice. (after work, coherently, no potty words or hysterical laughter.)
theprotector 9/23/2013 9:12:22 AM Report
please dont address me in anyway, your bullying and mocking has gotten out of hand. Are you that much of a low life piece of crap you continue?
theprotector 9/23/2013 9:20:24 AM Report
Please stop your mocking and painful attacks. Does this make you feel good? Are you proud of yourself? Does it make you feel powerful? You are attacking me on two fronts, 1) because of my disability and 2) because I dont beleive in your god!
I hope your proud of yourself!
Mr. Poster 9/23/2013 9:25:04 AM Report
ahhh...come on...stop the sand box fighting. It is childish at best.
As Usual 9/23/2013 9:25:58 AM Report
theprotector, please refer to my post of 9:08 and explain to me how I am bullying and mocking you. I just asked a simple question.
It would appear you are the aggressive one. I think you owe me an apology for calling me a 'low life piece of crap'. I don't believe I have ever used such vulgar terms with you.
theprotector 9/23/2013 9:45:09 AM Report
you are right mr. poster I will no longer address that person.
Spellchecker 9/23/2013 9:55:23 AM Report
Well, I see statusquo didn't disappoint. He finally arrived late last night with his anti-religion rant.
Spellchecker 9/23/2013 10:06:20 AM Report
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 10:07:09 AM Report
This used to be a forum for commenting on "topical news stories" ... some of the current lot are woefully unprepared for this exercise. But I digress .. any posters take my advice a couple weeks ago and pick up some Canadian telecom stocks ? You're welcome!
Jimssm 9/23/2013 10:41:24 AM Report
"Some of the Islamist terrorists that are slaughtering non-Muslims in Nairobi were disguised as women. You know, just the eyes showing through their sausage wraps. Perhaps Marois has a point! "
1. The Quebec Charter doesn't apply to women covering their faces... so I guess you are just using inflammatory language to get a rise out of people.
2. If you knew the history between Kenya/ Somalia, you would know the reason for the attack... and it can't be simplified into 'those mean Muslim extremists attacking poor innocent women and babies', any more than last years attack by the Kenyan army on Somalia can be reduced to 'Christians attacking Muslims'.... it is political, it is about money, it is about power.
mallet 9/23/2013 10:50:18 AM Report
Regarding you 9:11am post. I am curious as to what would happen if someone went into a bank and held it up wearing the full dress up that these Muslim women wear? Could they be arrested on the spot, without the "arrestor" being charged with a racial hatred law?? Not all, but many of these families claim refugee status, why then do they cling to the to the way of life they came here to get away from?? I will admit to some intolerance when confronted by this sort of behaviour, they want to hold a festival like say TO's Caribbean parade or Gay parade, fine no problem, but the people in those events do not wear those outfits all the time, except prehaps at home. Canadian women would not be allowed to go out without being covered up in the countries they come from, so why do we have to tolerate their customs out in public here??
There, now you can call me a bigotted racist all you want, but if I cannot practice my customs and beliefs in their home countries why should they in mine.
flyhawk25 9/23/2013 10:51:16 AM Report
If you are looking for reasoned discourse on the news on this site good luck.
It is turning into recess rants by lonely people.
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 10:53:51 AM Report
Jisssm .. the "resolution" before the gov't bans any facial coverings for those applying at a gov't office for services or an employee dispensing those services.
Like I said last week .. you can look it up. Why anyone would support face coverings at any gov't function let alone boarding public transportation is a mystery to most everyone not wanting to be made into hamburger by some virgin seeking imbeciles.
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 11:00:42 AM Report
Fly ..You occasionally put forth a reasoned debate .. but when confronted with facts, you like the rest of your posse (you know who they are) resort to name calling and feeble asides. You must realize when this happens you have lost your credibility and argument. So it goes.
theprotector 9/23/2013 11:22:12 AM Report
however for generations it was fine for italian women to dress and cover themselves in mourning for years and years... I guess it depends on which part of the world you are from.
theprotector 9/23/2013 11:48:45 AM Report
if identity is the issue regarding these services then yes covering should be removed. however to make a law sounds a bit harsh no?
Big Bad Bob 9/23/2013 11:49:04 AM Report
If I understand Wisenheimer’s hang up correctly, it does not speak to the reasons or alleged justification behind the despicable acts of the terrorists in question. He was simply revolted by one of the underhanded methods they were using, which will certainly not help to gain my sympathy either nor hopefully not that of many others, whatever their religion.
flyhawk25 9/23/2013 12:16:40 PM Report
Meanwhile Senator Cruz and Tea Party friends are bringing the US economy to a stand still over Obamacare.
When everything is done it will still be in place and the Republicans will be picking up the pieces of their party.
And that is the flaw of democracy. The screwballs can wield disproportionate power.
Even their own party members are aghast.
Just Curious 9/23/2013 12:19:00 PM Report
I try and stay out of these debates as it just gets frustrating but I have to agree with Wiesen about this.. Years ago I was not in favor of Mounties wearing turbans and I'm still not...
Grump 9/23/2013 12:27:48 PM Report
Big Bad Bob don't expect logic from the vice president of the Swamp Association. Just more garbage from one of the flamers.
Mr. Poster 9/23/2013 12:28:34 PM Report
I wish as much tine was spent on Canadian politics as American. People like flyhawk are obsessed with every move an American politician makes. Meanwhile Ontario and Canada as a whole have financial woes too. Perhaps having a dual citizenship is part of the concern over Americans .Who cares about Obamacare? I live in Canada. I am concerned about what Harper may try to take away from seniors.
flyhawk25 9/23/2013 12:34:41 PM Report
Mr. Poster...if I am 'obsessed' it is over stupidity.
If we only look at Canada we are guilty of being myopic. It's a global world.
cathyh 9/23/2013 12:40:33 PM Report
IMHO everyone should have their face uncovered when going anywhere in Canada, restaurants, offices, courts, police stations, etc. If I went into a mall with a ski mask covering my face I would be immediately questioned by mall security. Religion in Canada is separate from the state. If immigrants or visitors coming to Canada do not understand this then they should not be allowed in. For years all my family were taught by nuns who had everything covered but their faces. Draft a law that requires that a persons face be identifiable at all times. I don't think one has to go as far as banning turbans, crucifixes, long dresses, hair coverings but a face, yes.
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 12:49:47 PM Report
Thanks TP, if I see a group of what appears to be old Italian widows boarding my next flight I'll check to see how hairy their legs are first.
mallet 9/23/2013 12:59:56 PM Report
Maybe I am short sighted in some respects, however if I am REQUIRED to follow certain customs and ways in other countries, why are the citizens of those not required to follow the customs of mine?? If that means people who hide their identity by covering their faces are turned back at the border/airport/harbour so be it and if you want to live here then adopt the customs and ways of the country, the same as I would be required to do in their country. As for being a global world, perhaps we should leave other countries to sort out their own problems in their own way, however barbaric it may be to our sensibilities.
I would appreciate it if we could continue to keep this on a civil level rather than the snipes and name calling that it seems to have sunk to...
flyhawk25 9/23/2013 1:11:40 PM Report
mallet...I think you have the wrong person.
I have never commented on what other people wear because I see it as a non-issue.
We have bigger problems to solve than dress codes.
theprotector 9/23/2013 1:18:11 PM Report
lol @ wise...I think you would to afraid with your irrational fears of various cultures to even get on the plane!!
cathyh 9/23/2013 1:41:02 PM Report
The protector: It isn't only "Italian women" who dress in black to signify mourning. Most women in Europe and S. American countries carried out this custom. It isn't as prevalent today as it was but it is still in practice. Those women did not cover their faces though. I think the thought behind the practice was to show respect for their deceased family member.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 1:41:16 PM Report
1. The law you refer to about not being allowed to apply for government services in Quebec with a face covering DID NOT PASS !!! (Bill 94, look it up)
I am not sure how many times I need to repeat this to you.
2. The new Quebec Charter restricting the display of religious headgear and crosses and Jewish caps etc. DOES NOT APPLY TO FACE COVERINGS since they are cultural, not religious.
The religious requirement is only to cover your hair, not your face.
I am not expressing my personal beliefs here, only trying to clear the air of non-truths.
theprotector 9/23/2013 1:43:28 PM Report
you are correct cathy...I beleive that is what I wanted to post...but I did leave that out...
Jimssm 9/23/2013 1:45:15 PM Report
I am not sure with this preoccupation with how people dress.
When I was in Italy, I didn't go into a church in shorts, and my wife covered her shoulders.
.... those evil, evil Italians !!!
theprotector 9/23/2013 1:46:11 PM Report
you are correct cathy...I beleive that is what I wanted to post...but I did leave that out...
Jimssm 9/23/2013 1:50:46 PM Report
There are a 'couple of dozen' Muslim women in the entire Belle Province who cover their faces, (according to the PQ)
Of those, how many are government employees ??? 1 or 2 ????
Of those 1 or two, couldn't 'non-public' positions be found ?
Jeez, talk about hitting a fly with an nuclear strike.
cathyh 9/23/2013 2:09:00 PM Report
Jimssm: I'm not sure I get whether you are in favor or against people covering their faces in everyday life in Canada. Do you think people, men or women, should cover their faces when at work, in court, at the mall, teaching in school, etc? Just wondering.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 2:23:55 PM Report
Out in public.... dress as they wish. ( who does it hurt ?)
at work... dress as they wish (who does it hurt ?)
Court ... Swearing an oath needs the mouth to be seen but they can be accomodated since they can be 'unveiled' in front of women.
For identification purposes... we need to see the whole face... see the 'court' answer above.
My major point in my posts is that this is a tempest in a teapot. How many women have you seen in the Soo with their faces covered ?
Go to Toronto, they are hard to find even there. And as I said above, a couple of dozen in all of Quebec.
THE ONLY REASON the PQ bring up this law is to force the Supreme Court of Canada to overrule them so they can go kicking and screaming into the next election and another Separation Referendum. I find it highly ironic that the same people who pi$$ on Quebec every chance they get now side with the Separatistes.
cathyh 9/23/2013 2:49:42 PM Report
Jimssm: So, if several people come into your place of work w/faces covered you would be alright with that? If those same people robbed you in your place of business and got away how would you identify them? If a teacher taught your kids in school with his/her face covered so the child could not identify him/her, you would be alright with that? If you had to deal with an administrator in health services for any reason and their face was covered, you would be alright with that? I'm not talking about what the province of Quebec is proposing, I'm just saying in general.
theprotector 9/23/2013 2:49:50 PM Report
actually j you are wrong on that regauding the courts. There is no rule or law stating that one must see the mouth of the person swearing or afirming an oath. Nor in giving testimony - no such rule.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 4:34:03 PM Report
I do not have a problem with any of the situations you describe... and since I have already experienced all of them (except the robbery) I know of what I speak. My family (all women but me) lived for a year in various Middle East countries... they only ever covered their hair and shoulders.
Of the many, many Muslims I know, none cover their faces, only their hair.
@theprotector... I know there are no laws regarding those points, I was only expressing my preferences.
To all of you... you don't 'free these women from oppression' by taking away their cultural choices.
All Is Well 9/23/2013 4:36:51 PM Report
Cathyh, if people came your store with a beard, turban, and sunglasses on, would you think they are going to rob you? Could you identify them? Do you think that wearing surgical masks while examining you is scary? Would you ask the nurse or doctor to remove it to make you feel comfortable and you could identify them? You don't trust a hospital administrator if you can't see their face? Sounds a wee bit paranoia or something worse.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 4:54:47 PM Report
I remember my mother refusing treatment in emerg a few years back because the Doctor was black...
She would roll over in her grave to know I adopted two...
But that was OK for her generation... today it is the Muslims. Had we had a Mosque in the city, my last two sons/daughters would have been of Abraham's other tribe.
soowat 9/23/2013 6:03:19 PM Report
Question is: Are these women freely making these cultural choices or are the submitting to the demands of the male members of their culture?
right wing 9/23/2013 6:58:46 PM Report
These dogs of war will stop at nothing to punish Muslim women.....
An Islamic city council in the Indonesian province of Aceh, which follows Sharia, has banned female citizens from passing gas.
Sayyid Yahia, mayor of the city, told media that a ban was needed, as farting does not go well with the Islamic values of modesty. “Muslim women are not allowed to fart with sound, it’s against Islamic teachings,” he said. Meanwhile, the Indonesian Feminists Association told local media they will attempt to block the smelly law as they deem it discriminatory.
Mayor Sayyid Yahia said the law aims to save people’s morals and behaviors. “When you see woman fart loud, she appears like a man. But if she sit sideways and pass it quietly, she looks like a woman,” Sayyid said.
Although the proposed law does not ban “quiet fart,” passing gas with sound is actually not uncommon in Southeast Asia, particularly for women consuming potatoes and peas. Obviously, women maintain that they feel healthier, farting loud. Fathima Khan, a medical doctor at the Al Banni Islamic Hospital in Aceh’s capital is critical of the proposed law: “There is no need to question this practice, let alone regulate it, because people do it for their health and safety,” she said.
The mayor declined to give The Wadiyan details of what the punishment would be for violators. While another member at the City council, who wished not to be named, said if convicted by the sharia court, the offender could receive 20 lashes for small farts and up to 3 months prison time for larger ones.
right wing 9/23/2013 7:09:51 PM Report
I'm booking a whole slew of commercials on Indonesia T.V. selling "the muffler cushion"... a fart absorbing device that Muslim women can sit on and fart at their own pleasure.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 7:19:04 PM Report
I guess we don't know if it is their free will or not. But if it isn't their free will, why is it the women protesting against the law in Quebec ?
Like I said, with a grand total of 25 women in the entire province of 7,000,000, isn't this legislation a little silly ?
right wing 9/23/2013 7:22:57 PM Report
This is Canada,, don't you know by now that minority rules !!!
flyhawk25 9/23/2013 7:25:33 PM Report
If you are looking for investors let me know.
I'm currently working on a deal to market Bush's Baked Beans in Muslim countries.
Unless they ban can openers we'd be golden.
right wing 9/23/2013 7:33:16 PM Report
We could send them with pull tab tops....
right wing 9/23/2013 7:37:50 PM Report
...and print favorite Muslims words like Taqiyya on the backsides.
statusquo 9/23/2013 7:41:57 PM Report
Just a couple of weeks have passed since a young woman's life was senselessly taken away by a drunk driver and we have yet another horrible accident involving teens in Goulais.
It seems the message just does not want to sink in and no matter how many campaigns and warnings we hear about drinking and driving it will never stop.
The only viable solution to at least reduce drinking and driving is through technology. Every vehicle should be equipped with a breathalyzer interlock device. It sounds draconian, but so are crippling injuries or even death.
I hope these kids will come out of it ok
and learn from this.
right wing 9/23/2013 7:46:48 PM Report
Not sure if a device like that is the answer, I'm sure it would not only add cost to a vehicle but these idiots would find some way around it.
statusquo 9/23/2013 7:57:24 PM Report
The cost would be a small price to pay.
Finding a way around is certainly possible..... if you're sober...
3rd times a charm 9/23/2013 8:39:24 PM Report
is there any way to block the new SooToday questionnaire where you're offered a freebie and then are asked for credit card information?
Not only is it annoying, it's a lie...there are no freebies...
sparks7 9/23/2013 8:58:39 PM Report
Please tell me you were just joking around about the proposed law against farting!!It just can;t be true!
If it is, I think you have the right idea but are on the wrong track there with the "muffler cushion". Using one of those would be a dead giveaway to the fart police that these gals were breaking the law wouldn't it?
Get with it RW. This is 2013. With our technology couldn't some type of surgically implanted muffler system be devised?
I do admire your entrepreneurial mindset though.
right wing 9/23/2013 9:26:45 PM Report
It's true, it's true....
Implants would get a Muslim women life in prison so no go....
redranger 9/23/2013 9:44:21 PM Report
This brings to mind that old recording from the 1940's or '50's, "The Crepitation Contest". Now these poor ladies could never join, let alone win.
sparks7 9/23/2013 10:21:17 PM Report
Can't a Muslim women do anything these days??
I wonder now if they can eat genetically modified foods? Maybe Monsanto could come up with something non-gas producing.There has to be a solution out there somewhere.
Jimssm 9/23/2013 10:33:35 PM Report
It's refreshing to see our local conservatives side with the Muslim Feminists against their conservative oppressors. ;-)
Wisenheimer 9/23/2013 11:14:34 PM Report
Jisssm ... Jesus H. Christ ... Quebec's "Values Charter" is what I'm referring to, not some law you keep babbling about. Buy a paper, google the above. Veils and hijabs are restricted by the charter. Is it causing all kinds of backlash from do gooders like yourself that can't figure out what hijabs and burkas are really all about. The murdering scum that executed 69 non -muslims in Nairobi disguised themselves in the same garb to hide their faces and weapons. Claire Dube former supreme court justice says she sees more veils and hijabs in Montreal than she ever saw in Pakistan or Afghanistan. I'm not big on restricting much but hiding your face so your father or uncles don't kick the crap out of you, is a right they need to leave back in Crazystan.
sparks7 9/23/2013 11:53:38 PM Report
A big circle
It's the way of the world
Have you read "The Orenda" by Joeseph Boyden yet?? I highly recommend it for you.You might get some new material.
Hunter101 9/24/2013 12:13:22 AM Report
2 problems with your statement.
1. No matter how many laws you make against impaired driving, it is going to happen and people will always die. We will always have alcohol, people and motorized vehicles and we will always have impaired driving.
2. Ignition interlock devices are only good if the person driving is the one who blows into them. Keep a sober person next to you and you're good for as long as they're with you in the passenger seat blowing their alcohol-free breath into it.
P.S. did you ever think about the amount of delay it would cause in the morning if people going to work used an alcohol based mouthwash?
For shame stats, for shame.
Mark Brown 9/24/2013 2:00:47 AM Report
The problem, stats, is that the hosts of the Killing Drinking Drivers (KDD) are too polite to take away their friends keys. People rarely, if ever, drink alone and then get into their cars and drive. The KDD are usually drinking in a social setting... at a bar, at a friend house, or at a party.
If it can be determined where the KDD did most of their drinking before they got into the car (a bar, a friends house, a party), and THE KDD'S HOST was punished as well as the KDD for the KDD's transgressions, then we'd see a lot more responsible HOSTS take away KDD's keys.
I'm thinking if a KDD came from a bar, the bar would lose it's liquor licence. If the KDD came from a friend's house the friend would get the same punishment as the KDD, and similarly if a KDD came from a party.
Irresponsible HOSTS have to bear some of the responsibility for their KDD friends if this senseless killing is ever going to turn around. Technology is not the answer... responsible people are the answer.
ALWAYS take away your drinking friends keys!!!