Mark Brown 9/17/2013 6:32:51 AM Report
Good morning all,
Another full day yesterday: taxi driving, filming of the Public Library Board meeting... very interesting stuff: new downloadable music that library card holders can KEEP, and a "Food for Fines" program that will be running during Library Week (Oct. 20-26) which allows library card holders with fines to wipe out their fines by donating cans of food to local food banks..., then played bridge until late in the evening!
Can life possibly get any better?
Yes!!! Where have you been all my life Grace?!? Those were some FANTASTIC links!!
With regard to this one:
I have official correspondence with our 2013 Mayor and Council about using Closed meetings inappropriately, in my humble opinion.
And, believe it or not, I have official email correspondence from the PREVIOUS City Council, the one BEFORE this 2013 City Council, where they actually made a decision in the email that should have been made at an Open City Council meeting for all to see.
I'm pretty sure these Council Members don't realize that they are doing City Council work in these mass emails to each other which should be done in Council Chambers at a city council meeting. But I'm also pretty sure that they know they are using actual Closed meetings inappropriately because it has been detailed how they are using them inappropriately by myself.
In any case, thanks for the awesome links Grace, and NO, I don't know if other cities' Procedure By-laws are different than ours.
Perhaps you can check it out Grace... is there a contradiction with the Municipal Act or something??
Grump 9/17/2013 6:54:40 AM Report
Good morning everyone, a tad cooler today. I thought I was on the wrong site this a.m. as last evenings posts were polite, informative, several quite funny and no venom. But when I checked ,no I was on the right spot and have to congratulate everyone. Have a great day all.
soowat 9/17/2013 7:13:45 AM Report
In case people missed it this is National citizenship day. All together now--WHOOPEE!
On the same subject here are nine other notable(?) days during the year
These are taken from The Maclean's Book of Lists, Volume 2
1. Jan. 18: World Day of Snowmen
2. Feb. 9: National Bagel Day
3. April 20: National Weed Day
4. May 2: National Red Squirrel Awareness Day
5. July 6: International Kissing Day
6. Aug. 26: National Toilet Paper Day
theprotector 9/17/2013 7:17:32 AM Report
are those emails between council members accessable thru freedom of information regulations?
flyhawk25 9/17/2013 7:20:46 AM Report
I wanted to wait a while to let things cool down before I stuck my nose into the racism comments.
I was taken aback that anyone would suggest that either rw or spelly are racist.Regular posters will know that we've sparred on here for years but I have never even considered that to be true of either.
I know both of them and while we don't agree on many things so what. Both men are decent people with solid values.The beauty of a democracy is that we can agree to disagree.
Nobody is going to change anyone's core beliefs on this site.This is just intellectual dessert.
And I hope this doesn't spur a day long back and forth.But there is no room for that kind of hurtful nonsense anywhere.
Grace 9/17/2013 7:30:51 AM Report
Thanks Mark...glad they helped. to the following. Are you saying there is a major issue afoot? Pro a very good question.
"And, believe it or not, I have official email correspondence from the PREVIOUS City Council, the one BEFORE this 2013 City Council, where they actually made a decision in the email that should have been made at an Open City Council meeting for all to see.
I'm pretty sure these Council Members don't realize that they are doing City Council work in these mass emails to each other which should be done in Council Chambers at a city council meeting. But I'm also pretty sure that they know they are using actual Closed meetings inappropriately because it has been detailed how they are using them inappropriately by myself."
theprotector 9/17/2013 8:11:16 AM Report
and we disagree fly..I will leave it at that
right wing 9/17/2013 8:12:04 AM Report
Thank you fyhawk25.
I agree there are times when exchanges get heated but I am always of the belief that nobody takes it that seriously.
As flyhawk pointed out, it is just "intellectual desert".
One thing that I do admire is that when somebody steps over the line and it is pointed out there is usually a followed apology.
The same goes when somebody steps over the line with a serious accusation, it is pretty cool to see the usual discourse dissolve and folks from all "sides" defending you.
This has not been the first time that this poster has made this unfounded accusation against Spellchecker and I but I certainly hope it will be the last.
Now lets carry on with the usual....
right wing 9/17/2013 8:17:17 AM Report
You will leave it at that simply because you are not man enough to apologize for an accusation that has absolutely no truth to it.
Proof of that was in the many that challenged you on it and your failure to provide one bit of evidence to back up such a hateful statement.
I personally am done with ever addressing you on this site again, not that you care but it is one thing that I can do.
Good day Sir.
right wing 9/17/2013 8:20:00 AM Report
3. April 20: National Weed Day
Hey if J.T. ever becomes P.M. that one is a shoe in for Canada.
I also like National toilet paper day,, I mean T.P. takes care of a lot of ass*oles!
shakespeare 9/17/2013 8:33:23 AM Report
for fly it's "intellectual dessert"; for rw it's "intellectual desert". Make of that what you will!
right wing 9/17/2013 8:37:59 AM Report
Thanks shakey...my typo and your not missing a dam thing makes for a very red face.
As Usual 9/17/2013 8:43:41 AM Report
flyhawk25 and right wing, well said.
I'll leave it at that.
theprotector 9/17/2013 8:43:48 AM Report
theprotector 9/17/2013 8:49:40 AM Report
theprotector 9/17/2013 8:52:20 AM Report
apologize for what? For calling you on what you guys are....if I did that then I would be in agreement with your thought process...oh I forgot only certain opinions are allowed here and if they differ from yours they are wrong.
Grace 9/17/2013 8:59:17 AM Report
Want to further your position?
Produce the evidence... show us the alleged posts.
Burden of proof is now on you.
right wing 9/17/2013 9:14:41 AM Report
Zoo's put up signs "Do Not Feed The Animals", there is a reason for that.
flyhawk25 9/17/2013 9:26:20 AM Report
Grace...consider the source and ignore it.
Lacking an audience the spoiled child retreats to its corner and looks for another source of attention.
Spellchecker 9/17/2013 9:33:27 AM Report
Thanks to all those who gave support to me against the vicious accusations. They were much appreciated.
Grace 9/17/2013 10:13:19 AM Report
theprotector 9/17/2013 10:24:39 AM Report
i dont need to prove anything, I called spelly on his statement the momment it happened - right wing is a panty waste loser who is a coward. Spelly and right wing can rot in their own hell for which they beleive I dont care...I do not have to defend this...they know exactly what I am talking about. Im done with this I know what they are and what they stand for and could careless what anyone else thinks!
As Usual 9/17/2013 10:27:53 AM Report
theprotector, you're a fake.
theprotector 9/17/2013 10:33:48 AM Report
spellchecker tried to post stats saying that the majority of crime is commited by ethnic minorities clearly eluding to non whites being the source of crime, further comments defended his apparent position. Intially I thought him to be an educated man even if he beleived in the bible. However he used one set of limited stats to justify his position against non whites. That my learned friends is racism at its core, as a matter of fact it could be construde as hate mongering. Just as many of you paint minority groups with a single stroke of a brush I will take your approach and paint anyone that supports these morons as supporters of racism. Doesnt feel right does it...enjoy your shallow genetic pool (blond hair and blue eyes and a moustach like right wings mother)
old-cat33 9/17/2013 10:35:13 AM Report
mallet: Pretty neat display of engineering to get that ship off it's side eh? They said that there is still bodies on that ship so it should be still a crime seen?
mallet 9/17/2013 10:41:59 AM Report
On another topic, I see they have managed to right the Costa Concordia cruise ship. I have to be truthful, I did not think that was going to be very successful, I have seen it done on smaller vessels, but a ship that size I really thought it would break into 3 parts. From the reports I have seen there is going to be a lot of work to be done before they can tow it away to be broken up. I do not know what port they will take her to, I think Toranto would probably be the most suitable...
As Usual 9/17/2013 10:51:02 AM Report
theprotector, you fake, he tried to post or did post? Where is the post? What was the context of the discussion? Nice try peewee. You are trying to justify your hatred of two people by accusing them of racism and now hate mongering. Coward.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 10:55:06 AM Report
As one who has adopted 2 and befriended many other blacks, I would be one especially sensitive to any racist remarks on this forum or anywhere else.
Having said that... I think your accusations of racism by rw or spelly are groundless.
theprotector 9/17/2013 11:08:19 AM Report
dont care what you think...
mallet 9/17/2013 11:10:57 AM Report
As the Captain and the crew members involved have already been charged, I would think it would just be a recovery job now. I, for one, would not want the job of going through that enviroment, and I have a pretty strong stomach. After just on two years, I doubt very much if there are much left of any bodies left, just maybe cloth and bones. Crabs and Lobsters make short work of any flesh, and in that "stew" I would think very little is left..
As Usual 9/17/2013 11:15:11 AM Report
theprotector, can't answer the questions? Your accusations are hollow. You are a fake. You are a coward.
Jacinta 9/17/2013 11:29:11 AM Report
its a fact that most natives live in poverty an commit more crimes
flyhawk25 9/17/2013 11:32:58 AM Report
I just watched a time lapse video of the righting of the Costa Concordia. What an engineering feat.
It's so sad that all that grief was the result of one dumb captain showing off.
As Usual 9/17/2013 11:40:51 AM Report
Jacinta, trying to stir the pot with assinine statements?
Mark Brown 9/17/2013 12:09:29 PM Report
Dear theprotector and Grace,
As far as I know, theprotector, all city correspondence is obtainable under the FOI, but I am no legal expert and my knowledge of FOI requests is zero.
No Grace, there is nothing big afoot, I simply found it interesting that this grey area of e-meetings is something I have an example of. There would be no purpose in pursuing that particular e-meeting with the Ombudsman at this point.
skipper dave 9/17/2013 12:25:09 PM Report
Mallett Im', thinking of the toxic swill just waiting to burst out from the boat's seams. Pump that out and float the hulk over to india. Drive the boat up on the breaker beaches and let those poor unfortunate souls with their cutting torches risk life and limb to recover the scrap. try to time your swimming between shifts.
Snobank 9/17/2013 12:35:47 PM Report
Mark, you have an interesting way of keeping your opinions slightly ambiguous. In your last posting you seem to give a straightforward answer saying you are filming meetings because they don't get much public expose. You say you have no ulterior motives. That seems pretty clear and straightforward if a little obsessive.A noble obsession perhaps.
Then in your final sentence,wham! "There would be no purpose in pursuing that particular e-meeting with the Ombudsman at this point," you subtly imply you are alert for evidence of some offense that would then be brought to the ombudsman.
You word it so you can deny saying it directly but take credit for it if you do. Clever positioning.
In some cities some people are donning masks and capes and patrolling the night streets to prevent crime. You could consider that as an alternative career.
Grump 9/17/2013 12:42:24 PM Report
The protector making factual note of percentages of various groups involved in this or that is not on its own racist. I have worked on Reserves, the Moslem World and Africa. I have First Nation friends, I have Moslem friends and Coloured friends who I admire and respect. By the same token there are many from all those groups and Whites who I wouldn't whiz on the best part of. I do not believe that makes me a racist because I don't condemn all of any group but do recognize that there are likely many in all them that I don't care to associate with. That might make me choosy or a snob but not a racist. I think that most everyone thinks much the same way as people measure a person not on his colour or origin but on what they are. Have a good day.
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 12:52:13 PM Report
"Coloured friends" did you really just say that ?
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 1:07:55 PM Report
The intolerance exhibited in Quebec's "Values Charter" makes the Saults' English only resolution look like child's play. Conversely, scratch most Canadians and they will agree, that the wearing of face coverings is anathema to any civilized society.
Which, by the way, is what Marois's law is all about.
Oldie Goldie 9/17/2013 2:02:14 PM Report
Weiseheimer---The English only Resolution in our City gave us a bad name but---only by the Media--
All through the battle of the English Language Resolution French Speaking people were offered City Services in their language but that was not good enough for them---They wanted the City to hire people to translate ALL our laws from the time of the City beginning into French even though there were only a few people who could only speak French. Many Francophones in this area were fluently Bi-Lingual.
This was not necessary because they were offered any City Service in their own language if only they asked for it.
Now we have the pure Francophones in Quebec trying to impose their ideals on Non-Francophones and trying to enact Laws that will be, in my opinion, a violation of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
If Quebec is itching for a fight with the Feds to show how bad Quebecers are being treated then they will get that fight.
Then they will show their true colours by telling Quebecers that they need to separate from Canada because of how they are being treated.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 2:15:05 PM Report
The Quebec law controls Muslim scarfs, not 'face coverings', it controls Jewish caps, and Catholic crosses.
I doubt if many Canadians find offence with an Islamic woman covering her hair with a scarf.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 2:20:57 PM Report
@ oldie goldie.
You are so far from the facts on the English-Only resolution it is hard to believe.
NO francophone group ever approached ANY City official to get ANY city bylaw translated. This was all fear mongering done by SAPELR (remember them ?)
The proof of this is... the English-Only resolution has not existed for many years...(it was quietly withdrawn years ago) If what you say is true, why has the City not been forced to translate everything ?
Grace 9/17/2013 3:14:04 PM Report
Jimssm...now instead of over printing we spend tax our hard earned tax dollars on flags. flags and more flags...plus poles!
Grace 9/17/2013 3:20:32 PM Report
Paul Bissonnette suspended 10 games after leaving bench to fight Jordan Nolan
Grump 9/17/2013 3:29:42 PM Report
Grace it's a nice touch to make folks feel at home here. People from many other Countries have contributed to the growth of the Sault and Canada. It's actually chump change to what your hero Harper spends on self advertising. That said I haven't heard one complaint from you about those hundred of millions of dollars but a few thousand dollars to make people feel at home and included draws your ire? That's rather a double standard is it not? That said maybe you are just a typical neo-con?
Grump 9/17/2013 3:33:50 PM Report
Yes Wisen I just said that. If you knew any you might understand. That said you are not very big on understanding much of anything.
BIG BROTHER 9/17/2013 3:49:39 PM Report
The so-called French Language Resolution accomplished absolutely nada!!, except give our city a bad name throughout the country.
Go back, re-read the reasoning. The petition was merely window dressing. It had no basis in law. As a matter of fact and for the record, the wording of the resolution on the petition was changed post facto, making it useless.
SSM did not have the required number of Francophones, required by the Provincial Government, to enforce requisite bilingual services on municipalities. Simply said, it was totally unnecessary and caused absolutely no benefit....unless you consider the polarization of the community a good thing.
Why do some people persist with the 'lie' when the facts are there for all to see.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 3:55:43 PM Report
The flags are well worth it if they help dispel our reputation of not being welcoming to those who are 'different'.
Grump 9/17/2013 3:59:43 PM Report
Grace the City was never required to provide service in French. The whole thing was a knee jerk, red neck reaction to a non issue. The service was provided and other than a few paid agitators from Quebec who moved on later to the Thunder Bay to stir things up that was about it. I was at a meeting in South Eastern Ontario shortly after that and I can tell you the Sault's reputation was badly soiled by that resolution being passed by Mayor and Council. Mind you it was a popular thing to do as there was so much non factual information being put out that many had their backs up.
Grump 9/17/2013 4:02:53 PM Report
Big Brother you were so fast you left my post in the dust. lol That said great minds think alike and.... well you know the rest.
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 4:37:51 PM Report
Jimssm .. The 2nd tenet of the "Values Resolution" states " It is mandatory that the face be uncovered while providing or receiving a state service." Pretty clear to most readers.
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 4:51:07 PM Report
Coming this Fall .. "Grump Bourdain, Parts Unknown". The ongoing saga of Grump, the loud mouth, boorish, nincompoop, Canadian that travels the Middle East and "parts unknown" meeting "coloured people" and generally making a nuisance of himself. Episode one deals with Grump greeting everyone, and telling everyone what he's up to that day. He relates how everyone loves and respects him and how he needs to get back to Pembrooke, to meet up with the Shaw family who he believes own most "parts unknown". Critics have not been kind.
Grump 9/17/2013 5:05:30 PM Report
Wisen stop trying to sound bright. You are simply a sad little man who has nothing good to say about anyone. I'm sorry I hurt your little feelings, but if you stopped your B.S. and being a total a**hole I would leave you alone. That said I really don't give a rats a** what a twisted little piece of dog doo, doo like you thinks or does. As far as I'm concerned you are full of crap about you stock prowess and don't like being called on it or you would step out of the bushes. You have had plenty of opportunity to do so which means you are a phony little sniper. Run along twit.
shakespeare 9/17/2013 5:11:14 PM Report
"Conversely, scratch most Canadians and they will agree, that the wearing of face coverings is anathema to any civilized society."
Wisen: I am really beginning to worry about you. Please explain what a civilized society is and please explain why face-coverings are uncivilized. Would beards also be considered face coverings? If beard wearers were heterosexual and baptized, would that make them a little more civilized? I've always thought that wearing baseball caps was, let's say, something I would never want to do, particularly in someone's house but I would not find it anathema. Why do you have to see the full face of a woman who's giving you your driving licence? Maybe you would like to see her breasts, too, to make the whole thing a lot more civilized.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 5:14:54 PM Report
Please provide a link to this "2nd tenet" of the Quebec Values Charter. The PQ have stated it will be a ban on the wearing of religious symbols by public service employees.
It does not define what 'religious symbols' are.
It does not apply to those receiving the service.
Since full face coverings are not a religious symbol.. how does your supposed '2nd tenet' apply ?
Grace 9/17/2013 5:15:06 PM Report
"it's a nice touch to make folks feel at home here"
Lower taxes could do that even better.
"People from many other Countries have contributed to the growth of the Sault and Canada".
Really??? OMG a country of immigrants built a nation...I'm shocked
"It's actually chump change"
Got a numerical value...chump change to chump change?
"to what your hero Harper spends on self advertising"
If frivolous spending here doesn't bother you here...why does His Majesties spending bother you so much?
"That said I haven't heard one complaint from you about those hundred of millions of dollars"
Why do I need to complain...you do enough for all of us!
"but a few thousand dollars to make people feel at home and included draws your ire?"
Come up with the actual dollars spent and the ongoing maintenance...then tell me it is still monies well spent.
That's rather a double standard is it not? That said maybe you are just a typical neo-con?"
No double standard at all...Are the adds payed with taxpayers monies or from party donated coffers.
Flags are most defiantly being paid out of monies sent in for core services.
If you can't tell the difference...maybe you are a the typical neo-lib.
shakespeare 9/17/2013 5:21:21 PM Report
Spelly, there seems to be a desert of intelligence out there from your cohorts.
Maybe Grace should have gone to Johns Hopkins!
Jimssm 9/17/2013 5:26:27 PM Report
Bill 94, the Quebec law requiring people to uncover their faces to receive government services......
.... did not pass.
What's your next argument ?
Pegasus2 9/17/2013 5:54:40 PM Report
"Weiseheimer---The English only Resolution in our City gave us a bad name but---only by the Media--"
As Jimssm points out, you are way off the mark. The city overstepped and it was old people like you who led the charge. There was no need for the resolution. There were no plans to force French on municipalities.
The resolution, although overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada, was never withdrawn by the city. The city solicitor told council you can't withdraw something that doesn't exist any more.
The media was not to blame for the uproar across the country that resulted from the resolution. SAPLER and city council were.
Pegasus2 9/17/2013 5:56:42 PM Report
Make that SAPELR.
Grace 9/17/2013 6:16:11 PM Report
Ya Shakes....I should go...
Only if you'll hold my hand....
Grace 9/17/2013 6:17:46 PM Report
ya big loser...lol...lol
shakespeare 9/17/2013 6:22:31 PM Report
Stats: the Searchmont road is clear. It's going to be a beautiful day tomorrow. Get the spandex on, take the day off work and pedal-on! I'll just stick to the hub trail.
Spellchecker 9/17/2013 6:30:38 PM Report
Shakey, some of your "cohorts" aren't the greatest spellers either. Looks like we should have a WORDS OF THE WEEK listing soon.
shakespeare 9/17/2013 6:30:59 PM Report
Actually, Grace, I like your posts and like tormenting you and Spelly, too. You have a sense of humour, which some are lacking. I bet you look great in a
Spellchecker 9/17/2013 6:33:59 PM Report
What's with the preoccupation with Johns Hopkins?
shakespeare 9/17/2013 6:38:13 PM Report
Spelly: It's a small thing and a common error, but I don't catch you often. Check your post from yesterday!
Grace 9/17/2013 6:41:58 PM Report
Thanks Shakes...I bet you do too!
Grace 9/17/2013 6:45:47 PM Report
I don't know about Grump...bad knees and all
Grump 9/17/2013 6:58:22 PM Report
Grace the ads are paid for by the tax payer not from party funds. I would not be complaining if they were. Now tell me again why this wouldn't bother you other than for my stated reasons?
Grump 9/17/2013 6:59:47 PM Report
Grace if you can't tell the difference you are definitely a neo-con. LMAO
Spellchecker 9/17/2013 7:15:30 PM Report
I see shakey. I left off the 's' on Johns. Good catch *.
Gotta go. Granddaughter needs the computer.
Grace 9/17/2013 7:29:03 PM Report
Grump...you are right and I apologize for my post. should have checked the facts before instead of going off the cuff.
You will probably enjoy this link...to the victor goes the spoils..
But I guess they just took lessons from the Master of the Shawinigan Handshake....
The sponsorship scandal, "AdScam", "Sponsorship" or Sponsorgate, is a scandal that came as a result of a Canadian federal government "sponsorship program" in the province of Quebec and involving the Liberal Party of Canada, which was in power from 1993 to 2006. The program was originally established as an effort to raise awareness of the Government of Canada's contributions to Quebec industries and other activities in order to counter the actions of the Parti Québécois government of the province that worked to promote Quebec independence.
The program ran from 1996 until 2004, when broad corruption was discovered in its operations and the program was discontinued. Illicit and even illegal activities within the administration of the program were revealed, involving misuse and misdirection of public funds intended for government advertising in Quebec. Such misdirections included sponsorship money awarded to ad firms in return for little or no work, which firms maintained Liberal organizers or fundraisers on their payrolls or donated back part of the money to the Liberal Party. The resulting investigations and scandal affected the Liberal Party of Canada and the then-government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. It was an ongoing affair for years, but rose to national prominence in early 2004 after the program was examined by Sheila Fraser, the federal auditor general. Her revelations led to the Martin government establishing the Gomery Commission to conduct a public inquiry and file a report on the matter. The official title of this inquiry was the Commission of Inquiry into the Sponsorship Program and Advertising Activities. In the end the Commission concluded that $2 million was awarded in contracts without a proper bidding process, $250,000 was added to one contract price for no additional work, and $1.5 million was awarded for work that was never done, of which $1 million had to be repaid. The overall operating cost of the Commission was $14 million.
In the national spotlight, the scandal became a significant factor in the lead-up to the 2006 federal election when, after more than twelve years in power, the Liberals were defeated by the Conservatives, who formed a minority government that was sworn in February 2006.
Oldie Goldie 9/17/2013 7:38:03 PM Report
The French Language Services act passed by the Liberals led by David Peterson allowed 1 French Speaking only person, or more, to ask for---and get--- Services in the French Language. I do not recall that there had to be a larger number than 1 in any area of Ontario.
If there was a certain quota of people had to ask for Services I stand to be corrected.
My memory of the issue was that 1 person wanting Services in French only was entitled to get that Service in their only Language.
The implementing of the French Language Resolution would have been very expensive if the true Francophones demanded it.
All Council did was to pass a resolution declaring all by-laws to be written in English only. Which is what our City Councils had done since the City was incorporated.
I had occasion to visit Quebec City during the kerfuffle and I asked several people there if they had heard of the Sault's Resolution and they replied that they had not heard of it at all.
It was the Media that expanded the kerfuffle to places outside of our City.
In my opinion, that Resolution was effective in stopping the implementation of the French Language Services Act in Sault Ste. Marie.
I even recall Mr. Peterson visiting our City trying to push for the implementation of that French Language Services Act in this area because he had labeled this area as one where this Act could be implemented.
By the way we were not the first City to pass that Resolution after the Act was passed and several other cities did the same thing with very little reaction from the people in those areas.
In my opinion, the Media singled out our City to be criticized and many other cities did not get that criticism for doing exactly the same thing.
The Supreme Court decision only backed the Act passed by Mr. Peterson and the Ontario Liberals but did that decision did not include any penalties for non-compliance so our City ignored it and were not penalized---and so did several other cities do the same thing.
flyhawk25 9/17/2013 7:44:22 PM Report
I had forgotten many of the details.It serves to show once again that greed and corruption are sadly bipartisan.
Unfortunately the ego that pushes someone to run for election is also the Achilles Heel that can do them in when they start to believe their own baloney.
A moral compass is a rare commodity for many.
Grace 9/17/2013 7:52:25 PM Report
Thank you Fly..nice post yourself!
Grace 9/17/2013 7:58:11 PM Report
Oldie...can't leave you out...nice post too!
Fly is right... history written is better than history remembered! Thanks for the refresher
flyhawk25 9/17/2013 8:13:20 PM Report
Grace - that 'moral compass' thing is so rare in people who end up in office.
In my lifetime I can think of less than a half dozen I've experienced.
Ask yourself the same thing - how many politicians have you known who you trust?
It's been my experience that it has little to do with party affiliation as much as the kind of person they are and obviously my limited experience with them.
Grace 9/17/2013 8:29:55 PM Report
Trust is earned not given and actions speak volumes.
There are some I would consider to have earned the trust.
Problem is you only see what you see and know what you know from TV and other sources....prone to errors and slanted opinion and agenda. the truth is out there somewhere...we just have to pay attention.
mvnnth 9/17/2013 8:46:29 PM Report
"My memory of the issue was that 1 person wanting Services in French only was entitled to get that Service in their only Language."
I'm sorry but, try as I might, I can't make sense of these words. What does this mean? Oldie, please explain.
Jimssm 9/17/2013 9:04:56 PM Report
The French Language Services Act refers to Provincial government services... not municipal.
... and only where numbers warrant... certainly not a single person.
Algoma district happens to have a high enough percentage of french (due to Elliot Lake, dubreuilville, etc.) to warrant the providing of French Language Services BY THE PROVINCE if the person so chooses. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE the City to provide any services in the french language, with or without the City's needless resolution.
The City never provided services in french.... never.... not one single time. Not voluntarily, not by force of legislation.... never.
Grump 9/17/2013 9:14:16 PM Report
Oldie the resolution by City Council was not needed period and David Peterson simply asked them to rescind it so we didn't look like a bunch of dumb red necks. There was then as now no need for any of that as French was provided for convenience here not because of the law.
mallet 9/17/2013 9:17:17 PM Report
For some interested person...
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Grump 9/17/2013 9:26:48 PM Report
Grace you are right about the Liberal corruption but Chretien paid down our debt after Mulroney ran it up. It seems they all go that way if they are in power too long. It may be splitting hairs but the way I see it Harper has hurt more little folks and pulled his share of screw ups. Then there is the matter of our debt way up. Add to that he has been screwing with our banking system which got us through this recession not Harper. We were well into the recession before he even saw it. He was busy giving the surplus that the Liberals left to the oil patch. I don't hate the guy but he is a totally incompetent control freak and has to go before any more debt buries us.
Oldie Goldie 9/17/2013 10:00:54 PM Report
Yes--The French Language Act was a Provincial Parliament Act but Peterson had every intention to impose that Act on Municipal Governments too. Many Provincial Services are provided within our City.
A Petition of about 25,000 voter Signatures was presented to City Council.
If you had been the Mayor or a Councillor then you would have passed the Resolution too rather than have 25,000 Electors on your back.
Peterson ended up with a Minority Government at the next Election and teamed up with the New Democrats to stay in Power.
That's how the Lottery Office was established here.
It became a tempest in a tea pot as the Media mentioned it quite often and kept the issue alive as long as they could.
It really was a nothing issue after all was said and done.
Jacinta 9/17/2013 10:03:04 PM Report
Nothing asinine about stating the truth
realitycheck 9/17/2013 10:10:46 PM Report
For heaven's sake please listen to what the other posters are telling you because you obviously do not have a very good recall of what went on with the language resolution. The following is from the Office of Francophone Affairs in Ontario. It should explain it all for you.
"The French Language Services Act (1986) (FLSA) guarantees an individual's right to receive services in French from Government of Ontario ministries and agencies in 25 designated areas.
"The preamble of the FLSA recognizes the contribution of the cultural heritage of the French-speaking population and wishes to preserve it for future generations. The francophone presence in Ontario dates back more than 350 years.
"Thanks to the French Language Services Act, all of the services that are provided to the public by a ministry or agency of the Government of Ontario (driver's licence, birth certificate, information, etc.) are available in French in the government offices located in or serving a designated area.
"About 85% of Franco-Ontarians live in a designated area. However, if you do not live in a designated area, you may obtain service in French by contacting the central office of a ministry or a branch office located in a designated area or by going on-line at Service Ontario.
"Municipalities are not required to offer French-language services, even in the designated areas. The municipalities themselves are responsible for deciding whether or not to provide their services in French. In the event that provincial services are transferred to the municipalities, agreements must be reached to ensure the delivery of French-language services."
All Is Well 9/17/2013 10:55:47 PM Report
Justice John Gomery claims the inquiry is within the $32-million total budget set by Treasury Board, although that's a good deal higher than the initial $21 million approved by the federal government. The issue of costs gets confused when the federal government adds in an additional $40 million of related costs, including legal fees and a "war room" in the Privy Council Office responsible for responding to the scandal.
The sponsorship program was established to heighten the visibility of the federal government in the province of Quebec after the 1995 Quebec referendum on sovereignty came very close to succeeding.
The Auditor General Annual Report 2003 was made public in February 2004. It said that $250 million had been spent on the sponsorship program, with more than $100 million of that amount going to communications agencies in fees and commissions and "there was little evidence of value received for the money spent."
statusquo 9/17/2013 11:04:54 PM Report
The "English only" resolution was and still is a black eye for the Sault.
It didn't accomplish anything and painted our fair city as a backward hick town .
The same applies to the recent Quebec attempt to "save" their culture.
Good idea...wrong approach!
The Quebec religious symbols prohibition is clearly aimed at the Muslim minority.
But in order to keep it "fair and square" they lumped all religions into one big kettle....and so they should!
Religious beliefs should be kept private.
The Islamic mindset is particularly worrisome as it is extremely rigid. To impose a dress code on your women is, in my opinion, not too far removed as requiring Jews to wear a yellow star in Nazi Germany.
It is offensive to women and should be equally offensive to men. It is offensive to me and I don't want to see it in the form of a burka.
Islam is inflexible as it has not undergone a reformation as Christianity has centuries ago.
It is written and can only be interpreted in Arabic. Translations do not lend themselves to meaningful translations..or so it is stated.
Mixed marriages are, if not nonexistent exceedingly rare.
Certain parts of Europe have serious issues with uncontrolled immigration from Muslim countries. We are not there yet, but if we don't curb it we will face the same turmoil.
Islam in its current state and doctrine is utterly incompatible with Western norms and rules. And you can spin it any way you want...silly shows like "Little Mosque On The Prairie" ain't changing the facts !
Most cultures and ethnic backgrounds have successfully "integrated" into the Canadian fabric. Muslims have a long way to go....and we have a long way to go! Some exceptions exist but they are exceedingly rare. If you don't think this is the case then try to imagine your western raised kids even contemplating dating a Muslim girl/boy....let alone contemplating marriage. It ain't happening!!
We already have a disconnect with our native brethren.
The removal of any religious symbols is a step forward but at this point it is too late as the damage has been done.
We should have relegated the topic of religion to the realm of "sometimes useful mythology" but we are always a step behind scientific knowledge.
The Judeo-Christian myth and it's offspring, Islam have created more then enough mayhem in human history and it would behoove us to relegate those kinds of genetically aberrant beliefs into the "mistake" bin of human history.
I have no patience or tolerance for fundamentalist doctrines no matter if they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
If one wants to read his or her holy book in the poetic sense rather than prosaic then I accept that....but do not tell me to not eat pork!
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 11:10:22 PM Report
Grump I thought it was rather clever. You should really work at that potty mouth vocabularly you've got. Kinda embarrassing having you globe trotting all over, using that kind of language and of course constantly, and I mean constantly laughing your ass off.
JISSIM ... Google values resolution then look up resolution.
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 11:17:56 PM Report
Grumpie ... Looks like the board may turf Peter Munk from Barrick. Could mean a fast 25% upside. You're welcome, you little scalawag.
Wisenheimer 9/17/2013 11:21:57 PM Report
Is everyone happy I brought up the English only issue? You are more than welcome. In the immortal words of Maggie Muggins " I don't what will happen tomorrow".
All Is Well 9/17/2013 11:30:01 PM Report
It was argued in court that the city did not have the power to enact the resolution. In the end, it was found they didn't. During that time of the resolution fiasco, I attended conventions in Ottawa and Toronto. Didn't matter where I was, as soon as somebody in any group, knew I was from the Soo, they had comments and questions for me. A name tag with Sault Ste. Marie boldly displayed, didn't help. :( Being popular for all the wrong reasons is not my cup of tea. Then, instead of having a great time at the Memorial Cup in Quebec for a week, I felt I had to keep a, somewhat, subdued demeanor.
With the real possibility of being asked for ID if I went bar hopping, even having a glass of wine with supper,
had me apprehensive.
statusquo 9/17/2013 11:31:03 PM Report
Thank you Wisen,
It gave me an opportunity to vent....btw, I don't know what's gonna happen to me tomorrow.....but it looks like I am going to get laid in about 15 minutes....what about you?