Grace 9/11/2013 5:42:41 AM Report
Chrétien-era cabinet ministers slam international community’s response to Syria
Interestingly, the two former Liberal cabinet ministers are almost complimentary of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Our own government has laudably supported intervention, recognizing (as Prime Minister Stephen Harper said last week) that leaving Mr. Assad’s war crimes unanswered establishes a precedent that will haunt the world for generations. Canada has also led the way in humanitarian funding, although it would be good to see us assume the leadership role for which we are so well qualified, making sure that the money is used quickly, and where it can do the most good.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 7:22:40 AM Report
"almost complimentary..."is that like 'almost pregnant';'almost victorious';'almost happy'?
If they weren't pregnant losers who were miserable.
Once again you were 'almost right'.
Grump 9/11/2013 7:29:34 AM Report
Good morning all, strange weather but not near as strange as yesterday's posts. Grace I know this is going to take a major effort on your part, but let's give it a shot. Harper follows Obama's lead on Syria and finally gets one right, not due to working it out himself but by keeping his nose firmly planted. Chretien era Ministers were well picked and experienced so they will make the right calls for the right reasons. Now those reasons given, please explain you hero worship for Harper and your total distain for Obama. Next time you look at Harper, check out that little bit of Obama on his nose. Have a great day all.
Grace 9/11/2013 7:33:02 AM Report
"Almost" to the Liberal media reporting the story was about as close as they could come to having to stare reality in the face...especially that fellow libs with pedigree and experience (you remember when that mattered to your party)
said that His Majesty...Steven Harper...reacted responsibly and with authority in efforts regarding Syria.
Funny they weren't toting the Justin Trudeau is the greatest banner as we see the current party does!
Personally I think the young prince has much more to worry about from Thomas Mulcair.
Grump 9/11/2013 7:35:50 AM Report
Good morning Fly, keep up the good fight, but it must seem somewhat like casting pearls........ most of the time. Bill_the_cat ,everyone is invited when we have a get together and I'm sure one of the spark plugs of organization will be doing that shortly. Take care all.
Grace 9/11/2013 7:38:26 AM Report
Grump...simple..Obama is a fraud. Last nights speech just proved it. The American people are waking up to that reality today.
Tell me why you have such a woody for Justin??
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 7:41:01 AM Report
Can't speak for Grump but I like him because he's cute and perpetually stoned.
As opposed to ugly and perpetually sober.
Grace 9/11/2013 7:41:06 AM Report
Grump...was that last comment in your as racist as it seemed?
Grump 9/11/2013 7:43:29 AM Report
Grace what's this love/hate thing you have with Justin? Does that wavy hair, good looks and strong young body make you think and feel things that you want to keep hidden? Does it boil up in you so strongly that you just have to vent about him verbally? Come on Grace give us the scoop. Sorry I can't stick around for your answer, but duty calls. That said it's been a hoot. LMAO
Grace 9/11/2013 7:43:43 AM Report
fly..you are 2 funny..
Grace 9/11/2013 7:44:35 AM Report
Grump...you got it bad for the guy...
Grump 9/11/2013 7:45:24 AM Report
Grace you mean "have a great day" ????
Grace 9/11/2013 7:45:59 AM Report
Isn't lib love/lust a wonderful thing!
Grace 9/11/2013 7:47:15 AM Report
It's okay Grump...I'll still be your friend...
Grump 9/11/2013 7:49:45 AM Report
Come on Grace simple logic, try it you will like it, honest. Obama is wrong every which way but Sunday. Harper supports his thinking because ????? and he is right. You probably are blonde and my wife will get me for that big time. lol.
Grace 9/11/2013 7:54:49 AM Report
Hey buddy...His Majesty acted on more levels than Obie regarding Syria..even the Liberal elite are recognizing it!
And not one of them is a blonde!
Grace 9/11/2013 7:59:30 AM Report
RW...got them all warmed up for you!
Watch out...they are all horned for Justin!
right wing 9/11/2013 8:02:51 AM Report
The media was hilarious last night.
Many called Obama's speech to the nation "one of the strangest presidential speeches ever in history".
I'd say, never seen the Charleston done quite that fast.
That had to be one of the most pathetic examples of back paddling ever.
Obama did eventually get around to mentioning Russia, eventually.
right wing 9/11/2013 8:07:04 AM Report
The kid provides endless entertainment.
Just let him keep on doing what he is, talking.
He is providing so much ammunition for the opposing parties that come election time it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
right wing 9/11/2013 8:11:57 AM Report
Don't you wish you were married to one of those Libs.
The minute they come up against a strong thinking opponent that happens to be female out come the sexist remarks.
Of course you are blonde.
Those of them with wives are peeking over their shoulder as they type that lest they get caught and are rewarded with a slap upside the head.
Mr. Poster 9/11/2013 8:12:53 AM Report
It is too bad Canadian politics are so dull compared to American.
right wing 9/11/2013 8:21:01 AM Report
There are going to get real interesting come election debate time.
I can hardly wait to watch Harper sit back and let Mulcair attack The Waco Kid.
Mr. Poster 9/11/2013 8:56:10 AM Report
...and lets not forget WALLIN and MIKEY.
Grace 9/11/2013 9:06:31 AM Report
Mulcair has been silent. Watched him on CBC speaking about what the Nazi Bloc is trying to ram through in Quebec.
I think the time of mourning for Jack is now over and Tom is coming into his own.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 9:11:58 AM Report
"strong thinking opponent...?
Oh boy, you had me up to "thinking". There hasn't been any 'thinking' coming from the starboard side of this site since it opened.
We've had a pile of Googled and Rushified ideas reworked but the numbers are getting smaller each day.
However I do admire the tenacity of the anti-Obama pro-Harper acolytes.I'd hire you to stuff envelopes or mow lawns any day. Non-union cash only of course.
soowat 9/11/2013 9:12:32 AM Report
Grace, RW, LAWG other neo cons.
Read the following article and weep.
Ontario voters not dismayed by Liberal gas plant scandal, poll suggests
Ontario’s Liberal government heads into the new legislative session with a comfortable lead over its rivals in public support, a new poll suggests.
If your eyes aren't too blurred by tears, here's the rest of the story.
right wing 9/11/2013 9:39:43 AM Report
Oh that poll, done by Innovative Research Group, a national research and strategy firm that works with government, associations, not-for-profits, and private companies.
The one that helps clients answer critical questions in order to assess and overcome public and corporate affairs challenges.
The ones you hire.
You must be one of those thinking lefties that flyhawk mentors.
Grace 9/11/2013 10:19:48 AM Report
Yep that ought about do it.."poll suggests" has got us all cryin in our cornflakes.
Grace 9/11/2013 10:25:01 AM Report
"The poll, by Innovative Research Group, has Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Grits at 37 per cent among decided voters"
So It shows that 63% of the voters have a problem.
Liberal spin ...turn a negative into a positive.
Sounds like Obie thinking...country against a military strike yet he continues to plan.
Grace 9/11/2013 10:26:38 AM Report
Our tears are tears of laughter!!!
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 10:29:12 AM Report
I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of negative commentary from all the Obama haters on here after last night's speech.
I realize that whether he said he'd bomb Syria Saturday, or said that he misread the public's distaste for any action or announced he was dating Putin behind Michelle's back he'd get criticized on here.
None of them has even suggested this might become the start of a new world order and that things are never black and white.
Of course that would take some research and thinking.
Silly me. I should have realized it was beyond them.
right wing 9/11/2013 10:35:04 AM Report
Oh yes, it takes a whole pile of research and thinking to recognize that Obama got played by the Russian's like a fiddle at a hoe-down on a Friday night.
There is some more of that spin Grace.
New world order my ass.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 10:39:15 AM Report
Hmm...I rest my case.
Cute ass buttercup.
right wing 9/11/2013 10:48:32 AM Report
Take your rest, I'm sure you need it.
It should be easy for you to rest when you don't have a case.
learningaswego 9/11/2013 10:49:56 AM Report
On another note....why the he11 did city council delay making a simple decision on supporting the proposed fair tendering act?
Can't those people make a bloody decision on anything, without "further study"?
What the he11 else do they need to know, other than if that proposed provincial leglislation gets passed, it will save Sault taxpayers TENS of MILLIONS of $$$ in the future, because the process to tender construction would actually be fair and open, instead of extortion by big unions as it is - sadly - now; and has been for 20 years.
Grace 9/11/2013 10:52:13 AM Report
RW...I told ya they are all horned up!
right wing 9/11/2013 11:04:31 AM Report
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
The hypocrisy is blinding.
Time for us to put on our rose coloured glasses.
theprotector 9/11/2013 11:09:06 AM Report
this crap makes me so tired. conservatives are such morons!
Grump 9/11/2013 11:17:50 AM Report
rw I'm a bit disappointed in you I thought at one time you had more between the ears. It's the same corn fed nauseating crap day after day after day. Grace primes your pump and off we go. Righty good, lefty bad, if you are trying to construct an insult for goodness sake put some thought into it. Oh! I forgot, silly me. LMAO
right wing 9/11/2013 11:27:33 AM Report
Now that must mean something coming from you Grump, the expert on spewing daily repetitive nauseating crap.
As for what you think or ever thought of my intelligence level, coming from you, I don't care.
"Righty good, lefty bad", from the king of the left.
...now tell us again how you are a middle of the road moderate or how you used to be a conservative.
Dare I...oh what the hell...LMAO!
Grace 9/11/2013 11:30:21 AM Report
Grump...as you very well know...priming the pump can be quite a lot of fun.
realitycheck 9/11/2013 11:32:02 AM Report
"Oh yes, it takes a whole pile of research and thinking to recognize that Obama got played by the Russian's like a fiddle at a hoe-down on a Friday night."
Actually, what Putin has put forward is a take from what John Kerry proposed. He was the one who a couple of days ago suggested Assad could turn over his chemical weapons as a way out. Putin jumped on it. However, I think everyone knows this is not going to happen. It has to be played out but the killing goes on. And eventually there will be a strike. And I am happy that our prime minister is in support of the U.S. and Obama in the Syrian crisis.
theprotector 9/11/2013 11:36:39 AM Report
harper would support anything usa, he cant think for himself!!
right wing 9/11/2013 11:40:16 AM Report
Putin has played Obama and made him to look like a fool.
The following is proof of that.
"Russian President Vladimir Putin set a condition that endangers the diplomatic initiative to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons, saying it depends on the U.S. and other nations renouncing the use of force against Bashar al-Assad’s regime."
Putin is flexing a muscle attempting to show that he can stop the U.S. in attacking a country that Russia views as an ally.
theprotector 9/11/2013 12:02:06 PM Report
yeah thats whats happening...HAHAHA what an idiot
Grace 9/11/2013 12:15:33 PM Report
Reality...a bit of reality.
It was widely reported that Kerry had made the comment 'He can turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week.'
He added: 'He isn't about to do it and it can't be done, obviously.
Yet Putin was already on it before Kerry voiced his comments.
Just love revised history.
bounder 9/11/2013 1:10:11 PM Report
I think you're suffering from Cerebral Cortex Priming, in other words you've been duped.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 1:11:22 PM Report
Okay, we get that either/or Obama Kerry is/are an idiot(s).
So did the US do the correct thing?
Take your time. This calls for some thinking. While I'm waiting I'll paint the room or read 'War and Peace' again.
Grace 9/11/2013 1:57:01 PM Report
As in make terrorist threats to strike Syrian targets?
Funny how this all works.
If someone in Afghanistan says they will strike out at the US it is called a terrorist threat yet when the U.S. employs similar methods it is called policing.
Putin and Harper did it right.
Mr. Poster 9/11/2013 2:21:50 PM Report
A few years ago we lost our 21 year old daughter in a terrible car accident. Your life is changed for ever. We are not expecting to bury our children. Life will never be the same and you learn to go on because that child would want you to. WE are not a "prominent" local family,,we did not get the "press" that these 2 families are getting but we miss our loved one just the same. In many ways I feel we are fortunate to have been able to grieve in a very private way. Both of the families involved in this terrible tradgedy are suffering in different ways. In some ways they are suffering the same...the loss of a loved one. I am fully aware that the Lukenda/Michaud families loss is permanent. I think we have to be careful not to get wrapped up in legalities and pray for both families involved.
Mr. Poster 9/11/2013 2:24:16 PM Report
sorry...the above post was intended for the bail hearing story.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 2:56:51 PM Report
Over two hours to say that Putin and Harper did it right. But that still does not answer the question.
You seem to be saying that by extension the US should have gone along with the Putin plan as well.
Isn't that what he did?
Just what else would you suggest the President do?
So far he threatened bombing and then waited to see if Syria would comply.
You and the sniper posse continue to call Obama names but never seem to give him credit for good judgment.
Simple. Do you want them to bomb Syria?And if they do then what?
This isn't Iraq with a cowboy in the oval office with no exit strategy.
Or are you a cowgirl?
soowat 9/11/2013 3:10:03 PM Report
right wing and Grace
Love how you ignore the fact that,that poll was published in the Globe and Mail which is a bastion of conservative thinking. Of course, it represents rationale Conservatism, not the type loved by you Rush Limbaugh sycophants
Oldie Goldie 9/11/2013 3:39:48 PM Report
In the beginning of this dilemma Assad said that he did not have Chemical Weapons---Now he admits that he has them---and they are the world's biggest supply.
Now he is willing to sign a Treaty to never use Chemical Weapons---a treaty which 97 % of the Countries signed on to 20 or more years ago.
Some U.N. Nations are now saying that Assad is moving his supply of Chemicals around the Country to try to hide them.
He may disclose most of where his supply is but can he be trusted to show all of it.
There is a War on in Syria---What country is going in there to find and destroy all Assad's Chemical Weapons ?
Can this Tyrant be trusted to give up all his supplies of Chemical Weapons for destruction. ?
Obama is absolutely correct by keeping his attack forces nearby in case Assad reneges on his promises.
That is what Obama said last night--He would hold off any attack if Assad shows all his supplies of Chemical Weapons and gives them up to be destroyed.
A lot of details need to be worked out yet.
Assad allowed the U.N. Chemical Inspectors into Syria only to have them shot at the first day.
In my opinion, Assad cannot be trusted.
What Neutral Country capable of destroying Assad's Chemicals would dare enter Syria while the War is on ?
gcubed 9/11/2013 3:43:31 PM Report
With all the talk about "a short sharp strike" to punish, I would really like to hear a definition of what that means. I've seen some media experts show what targets could be considered for bombing or missile attacks. I would expect that, as some have pointed out, that Assad would ensure that a large group of civilians especially women and children, would be placed on or near these targets so that the U.S.A. would look bad for killing them. On the other hand, isn't attacking another country in this manner an act or declaration of war? If Assad is the individual responsible for using chemical weapons, why is the U.S.A. not directing a "short, sharp strike" at him alone? Wasn't that the way they dealt with Osama Bin Laden? With all the 'intelligence' they have, could the individual not be targeted? I understand that this would be an assassination, but wouldn't it be a more effective punishment?
Grace 9/11/2013 4:29:01 PM Report
soowatt I didn't ignore anything..I just peeked behind the curtain...63% of voters have a problem with it and yet the author looks at the results and spins that 37% is a majority giving approval.
The numbers don't lie.
realitycheck 9/11/2013 5:02:39 PM Report
In regard to your claim that I was using revisionist history in saying Kerry was the first to suggest Assad turn over his chemical weapons, see the extract from one Internet source below. There are others if you care to look. A Reuters piece on Kerry mentions his suggestion but does not mention Putin's picking up on it. That came later the same day, Sept. 9.
"For a brief period this morning it appeared as though Kerry's off-the-cuff hypothetical would largely remain overshadowed by his curious decision to call any American-led attack "unbelievably small." But that changed this afternoon once Assad and his strongest ally, Russia, caught everyone off guard by suggesting that Kerry's ad-libbed solution was actually workable.
It's unclear whether their statements were an attempt to seize on the confusion caused by Kerry's initial comments, or if they represented a real diplomatic breakthrough—but either way they appeared to rather drastically change the international debate, at least the moment.
"First came word from Moscow, via the Wall Street Journal:
"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Monday backed a demand by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry that Syria put chemical weapons under international control and then destroy them, a rare sign of apparent agreement between Moscow and Washington.
"We have given our proposal to Syria's Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem and are counting on a fast and, I hope, positive response," Mr. Lavrov told reporters after a meeting with Mr. Moallem. He said he didn't know whether Syria would agree."
Grump 9/11/2013 5:09:35 PM Report
The numbers are not faulty Grace, just your interpretation of them. That may be because you folks are one track, one trick ponies.
Grace 9/11/2013 5:17:51 PM Report
Yep you nailed it...the spin.
Putin had the details all worked out before Kerry "ad-libbed"
Kerry had no plan. He actually dismissed the whole idea.
What he did was nothing.
Now they give him credit for an dismissed notion.
The writer of this article writes in a double speak style. There was no confusion on Putin's mind. He saw what would work and did it.
Putin 1 Kerry 0
Grace 9/11/2013 5:20:40 PM Report
I would be embarrassed to claim a victory based on the numbers provided in that survey.
Do your rose coloured glasses have wiper blades on them?
Grump 9/11/2013 5:22:37 PM Report
Reality check, don't you go confusing Grace and the knuckle draggers with facts. It spoils their childish spin on the neo-con style truth as they wish it to be. It must be nice to live in la, la land where everything is as you wish it to be. As long as you have a lobotomy that must work fine. LMAO.
Grump 9/11/2013 5:26:18 PM Report
Grace that's the point I wasn't claiming a win or a loss, just faulty reasoning on your part. That said I'm sure you will spin it anyway it suits you.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 6:19:01 PM Report
If all you believe in what is reported then you might believe exactly that myth about the Russian/US action.
The area of foreign relations is nuanced and subtle.That might be hard to understand in a world of instant news and sound-bytes.It may come as a surprise but we don't - and never have - live(d) in a black and white world.
That is why the US chooses not to kill Assad. Eliminating him creates a vacuum that would be perfect for some lesser known zealot to gain control.
Better the devil you know...
Grace 9/11/2013 7:34:24 PM Report
Grump...just untangling the spin you liberal types love and practice so much.
Anything from any conservative to you libs is faulty reasoning...wow what a shock.
flyhawk25 9/11/2013 7:52:10 PM Report
You've got half of it 'right'.
Grace 9/11/2013 8:41:29 PM Report
for a blonde knuckle dragger...
mallet 9/11/2013 9:54:49 PM Report
Your post regarding leaving Assad alive, better the devil you know etc...
Could you explain then why he had Saddam, Mohamar and Mubarak either killed or ran out of office?? Is it possible that after 3 mistakes, Obama has learned it is better to leave the leader of another country in place, rather than have him killed? World politics is a dicey game at the best of time, and to play you had better be really on the ball, perhaps Mr Obama would be better sticking to golf...
undecided 9/11/2013 10:19:07 PM Report
2 spins Righties only
36% Conservatives in majority territory. 36% Liberal 64% don't like them Only in neocon land could this happen
realitycheck 9/11/2013 10:23:06 PM Report
"Your post regarding leaving Assad alive, better the devil you know etc...
"Could you explain then why he had Saddam, Mohamar and Mubarak either killed or ran out of office?? Is it possible that after 3 mistakes, Obama has learned it is better to leave the leader of another country in place, rather than have him killed? World politics is a dicey game at the best of time, and to play you had better be really on the ball, perhaps Mr Obama would be better sticking to golf..."
Are you serious in blaming Obama for the end of these guys. Saddam? Don't you think George Bush should be blamed for his death as he was president at the time. Actually, it is just as preposterous to blame Obama for the other two.
The U.S. does not want to keep Assad alive and in power. It wants regime change.
Hunter101 9/11/2013 10:59:03 PM Report
After being on here for a few days, I can safely say that the poster alias "Grump" really has never actually contributed anything intelligent to the conversation.
I have rarely had the chance to discover someone who types so much and says so little, but congratulations Grump! You win the Golden Plunger award for BS!