Grump 8/31/2013 9:04:12 AM Report
Good morning everyone, a nice sunny day out so on your feet and get at it. Have a great weekend all.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 9:11:51 AM Report
Just curious--If the Syrian war was a fair fight I would agree with you---Let's stay out of it---but it is not a fair fight when one side can use Chemical Weapons and the other doesn't have them.
By the way---As soon as the U.N. Inspectors pulled out of Syria the Syrian Military dropped Napalm Bombs and many Syrians were severely burned.
If everybody stayed " out of it " then the Syrian Regime will continue to use Napalm and Chemical weapons without any fear of retaliation.
The Canadian Government believes in the U.S.A. intervention and supports it but will not yet supply any Military help.
The U.S.A. does not need any Military help yet but moral backing helps their cause.
The U.S.A. could get into action as early as to-day or to-morrow.
The Canadian Government could have stayed out of World War 1 and World War 2 and Korea but saw the importance of getting involved, even though the fight was not on North American soil. We could easily have said " this is not our
Syria needs to be taught a lesson that using Chemical Weapons is a call for retaliation.
flyhawk25 8/31/2013 9:16:48 AM Report
OG - unfortunately you can't teach crazy dictators 'lessons'.
I fear Assad will surround high priority targets with civilians and then use film to show American 'atrocities'.
The irony of course is that the guy is a doctor. But so was Mengele.
Mr. Poster 8/31/2013 10:00:52 AM Report
MMAYBE ?? it is time to just let these countries fight it out themselves. Many of these countries already receive a lot of financial support from healthier countries and does not seem to be appreciated. Some of that money could be well used in our own country.
Just Curious 8/31/2013 10:30:37 AM Report
O.G.,Canada couldn't stay out of either world wars as we were part of the British Empire and where England went so did we. Same thing with Korea altho it was technically a "Police Action." Until it is proven beyond a doubt about the gas attacks the world should stay out of it.We have enough trouble at home that we can't seem to take care of...
gcubed 8/31/2013 10:40:24 AM Report
Well, at least this time I agree with my friend Flyhawk, in that we cannot teach a dictator a lesson and he will likely surround any potential targets with civilians. It is also interesting that the media has assisted by showing the public all the potential targets. In addition, I am still not convinced that Assad is responsible. This is not to say he isn't, but I am unsure of the reliability of American intelligence or their sources. Perhaps we in the west should hold off a bit before expanding this conflict from a "civil" war to an international one. It appears that the Arab countries that virtually surround Israel consider that country to be an extension of the U.S.A. and are prepared to retaliate against Israel if the U.S.A. interferes in Syria. The only possible solution in this area is for the Arab League to take action, but they seem to be just as useless as the United Nations. "United Nations" has certainly become a misnomer.
KENNEDY919 8/31/2013 11:00:09 AM Report
The USA cannot afford to be the policeman for the rest of the world.They must accept the reality that Democracy does not work in a lot of places. In the USA and Canada we accept the results of our elections.We tip our hat to the winner even if it was not our choice and life goes on until the next election.The Taliban in Afghanistan.non-Muslims in Egypt or pro Assad supporters in Syria would never quietly accept any election that does not go their way.This dissent adds to chaos which then leads to the pursuit of Order through bloodshed or Military control.
A big part of the Economy of these fragile states is foreign aid (American tax dollars) Tax dollars that can be better put to use on American soil in particular the paydown of their deficit.There is no end solution to the Syrian situation. The Syrian rebels (mostly Muslim) despise the USA and everything it represents. Any Collateral casualties through American military strikes will only add fuel to the hate already held by the majority of Syrians towards the USA;not to mention the surrounding countries around Syria who see the USA tied to the hip with Israel.
Many in the Middle East view the American dropping of bombs on a country that did nothing to them the same way we view the atrocity of a leader using chemical warfare on his own people. Without full support from the majority of UN countries the USA would be wise to stay out of Syria as they have absolutely nothing to gain. For once let Russia and China play the policeman role particularly when Syria is more their ally than the USA.
mallet 8/31/2013 11:09:28 AM Report
I do not know why you want the USofA to "teach Syria a lesson" all that will happen is that some building will be destroyed and people killed, just adding to the thousands already dead. Should Assad be the Ahole everyone thinks he is, he will not be around , however those buildings likely to be hit will be full of people he has rounded up and stuffed in them. The US then becomes the piriha amoung the Arab peoples and can expect some form of retailiation which will be unpleasant. The moral outrage at the use of WMD I find strange, as the US is the only country to have used them in the past, and every country in the Western allies were quite comfortable doing so. I would really want to see 100% proof that it was Assad who ordered the use before I would want to contemplate intervining in this mess. Let me put this rather crudely, when you stir the S*^t the smell clings, and will for some time..
Mr. Poster 8/31/2013 11:13:13 AM Report
Let SYRIA solve its own problems...their buddies the Russians can be there for them...WHY US ???
Pegasus2 8/31/2013 11:33:07 AM Report
"Let SYRIA solve its own problems...their buddies the Russians can be there for them...WHY US ???"
It is not us. We have opted to sit on the sidelines.
"O.G.,Canada couldn't stay out of either world wars as we were part of the British Empire and where England went so did we."
Canada undoubtedly went to war because it was part of the empire but it should be noted that it did not have to. It opted to go to war by votes in Parliament. In the Second World War, this took place seven days after Britain had declared war on Germany. Canada was a part of the empire, but it had a stand-alone government. The British government did not dictate to Canada.
Bill_the_Cat 8/31/2013 11:40:38 AM Report
Watching this administration play war is amusing. Let's show the targets to the press, and assert to the world that we will launch only a few missiles.
Is there even a value to the strikes now I wonder.
Let's see, no military objectives; no end game or exit strategy; dodgy legal cover and weak international support.
Oh and let's ratchet up the Cold War rhetoric by b!tch-slapping a Russian satellite state, while at the same time decimating the USAF and USN's capability to respond by sequestration and across-the-board cuts to training and equipment.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 12:30:02 PM Report
Kennedy: Russia and China have already vetoed a U.N. Resolution brought by Britain to punish Assad so we can't expect any help from Russia or China to clear up Syria's problems.
They would sooner sit back and watch Assad destroy his own people and they can sell weapons and planes to Syria to help do it.
Don't expect the Arab League to do anything either.
As I said before---Doing nothing to Syria is not an option.
We should be supporting the U.S.A. in their efforts to do something in Syria.
At least the U.S.A. is not afraid of any retaliation from Iran--Russia--and China. The rest of the U.N. Nations are a bunch of wimps so we can't depend on any of them.
As for waiting for the Report from the U.N. Inspectors---It has already been determined that it will take 2 weeks to release the Report. By that time Assad will have destroyed half of what is left of the Syrian people with Chemicals and Napalm.
Assad has already used Napalm just after the U.N. Inspectors left.
The Doctors Without Borders have already treated many Syrians and they said is was a Poisonous Gas---That is good enough proof for me without waiting for any U.N. Report.
Wisenheimer 8/31/2013 12:35:19 PM Report
Justin (the Biebs) Trudeau wants more Syrian refugees, thinks lighting up huge Bongs is kinda cute and would support Canadian taxpayers paying reparations to Omar Khadr and his lovely family.
Can you say implosion?
Sorry, he's is making this too easy!
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 12:37:03 PM Report
gcubed---I would not worry about any attacks on Israel---Whoever does attack them will be sorry--They have some of the most sophisticated weaponry in the world.
They have had many problems before with other Nations trying to destroy them.
They are ready for anything now.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 12:42:08 PM Report
Pegasus---Russia will only help Syria to continue destroying their own people as they have already done by supplying Military Equipment and Planes to help Assad. They also vetoed, along with China, a British Resolution at the U.N. to punish Syria.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 12:52:38 PM Report
Mallet---You must have come from Missouri---The show me State.
The Doctors Without Borders who treated many Syrians called it a Poisonous Gas.
That's good enough for me. They are there on the Front Lines.
The Rebels could not have done it without the U.S.A. finding out.
The U.N. Report will not be released for about 2 weeks---as reported by the head of the U.N. yesterday.
By that time Assad will have destroyed half of the Syrian people who are left by using more Chemical Weapons and Napalm Bombs.
Syria waited until the U.N. Inspectors left yesterday to drop some Napalm Bombs on their own people who were left with severe burns as shown on T.V.
Perhaps you think the Rebels did that too ?
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 12:58:34 PM Report
just curious " proven beyond a doubt"
How much more proof do you want than from the Doctors Without Borders who said it was a Poisonous Gas. They are on the front lines in Syria.
It is rather far fetched to believe that the Rebels did it without the U.S.A. finding out.
The U.S.A. can see everything with their
Drones and Satellites and Spies in the area.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 1:03:51 PM Report
To all those who worry about an attack on Israel try to remember what the Israeli's did to the Egyptians in the 6 day war.
The Muslims talk a big talk about annihilating Israel but they will be sorry if and when they try.
gcubed 8/31/2013 1:11:04 PM Report
Oldie Goldie: What benefit would be achieved by striking against Assad? It would all be negative towards the West! This does not mean I approve of any of this monster's behaviour. I think a move to assassinate the guy would be in order, but taking a chance of killing a whole pile of civilians and destroying equipment that the Russians will quickly replace will achieve only severe negative responses.
mallet 8/31/2013 2:14:16 PM Report
Never mind.. I do not trust the Intellegence services of the US of A further than I can pee. Remember the WMD that Iraq had? As for the satellites and drones, not sure they had drones over Syria and as for their satellites, you ever heard of Fotoshop and, oh, what's that guys name Norden, right. I like to punish, but I learned a long time ago, let's make sure you are punishing the right person/group, otherwise you end up with egg on your face.. What's the rush, I don't think he is going anywhere soon.. Let us all wait for the results, not just that it is poisonous gas but who made it!!
Just Curious 8/31/2013 3:03:06 PM Report
Oldie,you are a war-monger. You want to put our people in harms way in a country we shouldn't be in just to piss off more people than usual.911 should have taught the States something but I guess they will need another big hit to smarten them up,and the muslems are quite capable of doing it.Leave them alone and let 'em go at it,they've been doing it for thousands of years....:)
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 3:04:59 PM Report
Mallet--Syria has said, for many months now, that they have stockpiles of Sarin Gas that they could use---That's when Obama and Cameron and many others said that if Syria used Sarin Gas on their own people there would be some "Consequences ". Then when it came time for the consequences everyone of them except Turkey and the U.S.A. started to back off.
The U.N. said it will be 2 weeks before the Inspection Report is let out.
That gives Assad 2 more weeks to continue the carnage on his own people.
How can any civilized country stand back and watch it happen ?
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 3:15:18 PM Report
gcubed--In my opinion, the U.S.A. would assassinate Assad if they could find a way to do it without hurting a lot of people. They might be forming a group of Commandos right now.
What will all the naysayers do if they accomplish the Assassination ?
Waiting 2 weeks for the U.N. Inspectors Report is just what Assad wants.
In my opinion Assad knew how slow the U.N. works so he let them in.
Who do you think was shooting at them when they first started their Inspection?
By the way, how many traces of Poisonous Gas was removed in the 5 days before the Inspectors were allowed in ?
mallet 8/31/2013 3:37:43 PM Report
I admire your persistance. Yes, Assad has said he has Sarin gas, and maybe he has used it, I don't know if he has. Perhaps the rebels used it, their religion rewards martyrs, and that ploy has be used before. I do not think that Assad is that much of an idiot, that as he begins to gain the upper hand he would do something as stupid as gassing people just to bring the US and others into conflict with him, and invite retailiation, I could be wrong though! I am not sure how striking the bases with the Sarin on them would be such a good idea,I would assume the government troops will have gas masks while the civilians may not be that protected, Gas has this nasty way of going with the prevailing wind (see WW1) be very hard to make sure there are no civilian casualities (or collateral damage as the US likes to say). That collateral damage maybe sufficient for the Arab world to attack Isreal, who would want guarantees that the States will send troops to help it in the event of such an attack. Are you prepared to counternace that scenerio???
Brianne 8/31/2013 4:08:59 PM Report
Before we launch an attack on Syria, for using chemical weapons on their own people. Can we lob a few tomahawks at Monsanto for using them on ours. ;)
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 4:49:44 PM Report
Mallet: Yes I am persistent but only because I believe that Assad would do anything to stay in Power.
In my opinion the Rebels would be unwise to use the Gas because the U.S.A. would love to go after the Rebels as much as they want Assad and the surveillance equipment that the U.S.A. has could spot the Rebels in their action.
I am not the least bit worried about the Arabs attacking Israel. Israel has been preparing for just such a thing for a long time now.
Ever since they reformed their Nation in 1946 they know that the Arabs want to annihilate them and they have been preparing for the Arabs.
They have some of the best equip for War of any nation in the world.
If the Arabs thought they could get rid of the Jews they would have tried it long ago.
mallet 8/31/2013 6:20:19 PM Report
Explain to me what the difference will be, we all know Assad, what he does who he supports and what to expect... now the rebels, who are they what is their agenda, who do they support and more importantly who supports them. I do not think the U S would not help the rebels, they have been encouraging them all along and their agenda is to get rid of Assad by vitually any means possible, too bad that Russia, China and Iran disagree. As I said yesterday the U S hung Mubarak out to dry and it was politically acceptable to get rid of Ghadafi. Look at the history of the region, Tunisia, was stable Libya was stable, Egypt was stable and so was Syria, along comes the U S of A and her allies and everything goes in the crapper, you figure that out!!
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 6:28:12 PM Report
Just curious: Never did I ever say that Canada should send troops to Syria. Canada is doing just what I expected they would do.---Looking for what they can do and morally supporting the U.S.A.
I, too, support the U.S.A. on a moral issue---It is very simple---if no one tries to stop Assad he will continue to do whatever he can to destroy his own people and defeat any opposition to his ruling of Syria.
If that is what you want to see, just curious, then you are more of a war-monger than I am---I am in support of ending the war in Syria by whatever means it will take---Militarily or Politically.
Spellchecker 8/31/2013 6:35:33 PM Report
Good luck with either of those two methods.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 6:49:10 PM Report
Mallet---Ghadafi and Mubarak were convicted War Criminals doing everything they could to their own people to stay in Power.
Were they helping their people or using them as pawns to stay in power ?
Just look at how Russia, China and Iran treat their people for the sake of their own power.
Mubarack's people wanted him gone===
Ghadafi's people wanted him gone too--
If the U.S.A. helped those people get rid of their Dictator was that a bad thing to do ?
The U.S.A. did not take over those countries but made it easier for the people of those countries to get rid of bad governments.
The U.S.A. did not have to help the Allies get rid of bad governments in Germany and Italy in World War 2--their battle was with Japan--but they helped the Allies before they concentrated all their efforts to defeat Japan.
Then most of the Allies---except Russia--turned to help the U.S.A. go after Japan after the war in Europe was over.
If the U.S.A. can help the Syrians people get rid of their Dictator is that a bad thing to do ?
theprotector 8/31/2013 7:41:22 PM Report
Spelly would rather see the entire country be wiped off the map being that they are non white none christain. Regardless if they are rebels, men women childern.
Grump 8/31/2013 7:44:48 PM Report
If you close one can of worms over there they will find more to take their place. They need a strong man to keep them in line and strong men take strong action. It isn't right by our standards but being nice there will get your throat cut in a heartbeat. Leave them alone unless they start building stocks of offensive weapons, them bomb the crap out of them and leave.
mallet 8/31/2013 8:38:26 PM Report
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but niether Mubarak or Ghadfi were convicted War Criminals. Mubarak was accused of corruption after being ousted and Ghadfi was executed without being put on trial.
A little bit about the U S of A. I am not sure about their entry into the First World War, but it was not until late 1917 that the AEF appeared on the western front. WW1 started in August 1914. The A E F was recorded as "After England Failed"..
Now the Second World War started September 2 1939 the U S did not get involved until after December 7 1941. A "day the will live in infamy" as FDR put it, but the UK had been fighting these dictators and despots for years before the US decided to come in and help. It was easier to buy a GM vehicle in Berlin in 1941 than in London.
They have tried numerous times to "impose" their brand of democracy on quite a few countries, some have been successful others not so, but the cost in lives has always been high.
I do not dislike americans, in their own country they are quite affable, however once they leave their shores they become brash, loud and condescending.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 9:01:53 PM Report
Grump--You said leave them alone unless they build up stocks of offensive weapons---then bomb the crap out of them.
What do you call Chemical Weapons and Napalm bombs if they are not offensive weapons---and Syria has big stocks of them.
shakespeare 8/31/2013 9:57:50 PM Report
Much as my heart says that Assad and his crews should be struck down, my reason goes with mallet, kennedy, gcubed etc. I cannot think of one example of where an attack on a country that has not actually attacked another country has had any positive outcomes. The Syria situation is lose/lose from every angle. If the U.S. goes in and attacks even just surgical targets (to what end?) the fallout will galvanize the Muslim world anew against the western world and particularly the U.S., who can get on their moral high horse for one country and yet historically can be seen to help prop up murderous dictators when it suits them (e.g. Pinochet). As for stockpiling weapons, I'm not sure that the rest of the world believes that the U.N. an institution based on a set of parameters that are 60 years out of date, should hold sway on who is suitable to dictate who has weapons and who doesn't. Just look at Russia who was given a veto vote at the U.N. just after Stalin had murdered huge numbers of his own people!
Bottom line: you do everything you can to help topple a dictator through sanctions, propaganda but you do not engage in an attack on a country that has not attacked another country.
Nobody seems to learn from history.
Oldie Goldie 8/31/2013 10:11:40 PM Report
Shakespeare: O.K.---just let millions of Syrians be gassed to a slow agonizing death or burned to death from Napalm Bombs. If that's what you want then remove all the Media and T.V. Cameras from the area so we don't see it. " Out of sight--out of mind " eh shaky !
shakespeare 8/31/2013 10:15:17 PM Report
or in other words, if we decide to identify ourselves, as we do, by our nationality, then effective change can only come from within and not be imposed from without!
mallet 8/31/2013 10:16:32 PM Report
I M H O. all politicians should have to hold a degree in History, never mind the Political science and Law degrees, if they all held History degrees they would at least have no excuse for repeating the mistakes of the past, all the way back to the Crusades.
shakespeare 8/31/2013 10:21:13 PM Report
Your response was childish, OG. I do not come upon my viewpoint easily and have no desire to close my mind to the horror. Just answer me this: What possible good will come out of an attack by any outside force on Syria? Is there a Disney scenario that you have in mind?
All Is Well 8/31/2013 10:59:13 PM Report
The fighting in Syria will continue because this is a civil war with tremendous religious overtones and both groups have Allah on their side. Right? The Arab world will blame the US if they do or if they don't do anything. Talk about a no win situation. Where are the Arab worlds' peacekeepers? Oh. I forgot. They only send fighters and money.
soowat 8/31/2013 11:35:24 PM Report
A local person was killed today Compared to that I really don't care about Syria.
Just a personal point of trying to line up what is important to me
Brianne 8/31/2013 11:42:38 PM Report
I hear yah soowat, so sad.
quote from other news site
Bob Komishin tried to help the injured woman.
"There was just this lifeless body," he said.
"No vitals. No breath."
Doreen Greco saw police give roadside tests to two men. Both were handcuffed and put in a police vehicle.
“Not a scratch on them,” she said.
“Couldn't even walk. They were staggering. Drunker than skunks. Terrible. Terrible. I'm just sick about it.”
This sickens me.....I don't know what else to say
sheriblossom 8/31/2013 11:46:37 PM Report
So sorry to hear that an innocent victim was killed tonite. Was there when they put the driver and passenger in police car could hardly walk. People just race around that hill area and corner. Living at the corner I wonder sometimes how they make it and not hit the apartment or homes in that area. Signage is up but nobody slows down. Maybe now the police will sit and start ticketing the speeders. All day long and long nite listening to them squeal the tires.
God bless the young woman ....
Oldie Goldie 9/1/2013 12:00:23 AM Report
Shakey: A short, swift attack on Military bases and Airfields in Syria will make Assad think twice about using Poisonous Gas again.
Helicopters and planes from Russia will be slowed down and unable to land on an Airport with holes. These Planes are causing severe problems for the Syrian people.
I never once said I wanted a War between Syria and the U.S.A. and Obama is only seeking some punishment for Assad's use of Chemical Weapons as he warned Assad that he would do if Chemical Weapons were used.
He does not plan on landing any troops in Syria but taking out some key Military targets will help the Syrian Civilians and save many of them from serious deaths.
By the way, my remarks were not childish
Your decision to do nothing is the childish decision.
Doing nothing will only give Assad a License to continue to destroy his people until he gets complete control in Syria and the Syrian People will live under a cruel Dictator for many more years if they ever go back home.
Mr. Poster 9/1/2013 12:00:41 AM Report
You are jumping to conclusions regarding drinking and these drivers. Perhaps they were unsteady on their feet because of the effects of the accident. We should wait and see before passing judgement. My prayers go out to ALL families involved...it is a terrible thing.
Brianne 9/1/2013 12:06:10 AM Report
Mr. Poster, go to the other news sites and read the comments of the witnesses, they were given breathalizers, then handcuffed........... they were over the limit, or they would not have been handcuffed.