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skipper dave 3/13/2013 6:54:20 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo!
Great day yesterday went up to the barn (SAH) for my secret herb and spice session and had the privilege of having my eldest daughter for company for four hours. It takes you back to see her soon to be forty body flash signs of the little six year old red head that used to smother me with poppa hugs. I've always understood that my job in life was to give my kids roots and wings and letting them go has been the toughest part. If I do that second part well then when they come home, they want to come. She had a good flight back to New York and again my thanks to my beloved wife for making my first daughters so genuinely welcome into her family home. Ya gotta love blended families when they are done well.
Good morning sweet Soo!
Great day yesterday went up to the barn (SAH) for my secret herb and spice session and had the privilege of having my eldest daughter for company for four hours. It takes you back to see her soon to be forty body flash signs of the little six year old red head that used to smother me with poppa hugs. I've always understood that my job in life was to give my kids roots and wings and letting them go has been the toughest part. If I do that second part well then when they come home, they want to come. She had a good flight back to New York and again my thanks to my beloved wife for making my first daughters so genuinely welcome into her family home. Ya gotta love blended families when they are done well.
Wisenheimer 3/13/2013 7:06:36 AM Report
To-day's laugher ... Jean Chretien states, "Canada has lost international standing", while attending the funeral of Hugo Chavez.
To-day's laugher ... Jean Chretien states, "Canada has lost international standing", while attending the funeral of Hugo Chavez.
Grump 3/13/2013 7:16:31 AM Report
Skipper I believe you were a large part of that sucessfull blended family. Now don't be getting a huge swollen head as we have enough now and don't want an epidemic. lol. Wisen of course you would know more and have more International experience and savvy than Chretien. You have been one of rw's posse too long and sadly have caught whatever ails him. Have a great day everyone.
Skipper I believe you were a large part of that sucessfull blended family. Now don't be getting a huge swollen head as we have enough now and don't want an epidemic. lol. Wisen of course you would know more and have more International experience and savvy than Chretien. You have been one of rw's posse too long and sadly have caught whatever ails him. Have a great day everyone.
Wisenheimer 3/13/2013 8:30:36 AM Report
Next up "Justin "the Beeb" Trudeau. Grumpy, it will be glorious.
Next up "Justin "the Beeb" Trudeau. Grumpy, it will be glorious.
right wing 3/13/2013 8:45:19 AM Report
A survey of Canadians show they want "the Beeb" to pay back the money.
A forum research poll shows the majority polled (57%) want Trudeau to pay back the 277,000 he charged for speaking engagements - including a big chunk of Liberal voters.
Seems they are trying to stand him up and brush him off already.
A survey of Canadians show they want "the Beeb" to pay back the money.
A forum research poll shows the majority polled (57%) want Trudeau to pay back the 277,000 he charged for speaking engagements - including a big chunk of Liberal voters.
Seems they are trying to stand him up and brush him off already.
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 8:53:55 AM Report
Bill_The_Cat hit the nail on the head at 4:03 PM yesterday with this little gem. For anyone who missed it, it bears repeating.
All in all, universal suffrage has been a disaster. People voting their own largesse in a system they barely contribute to. Functional idiots electing preening figureheads--a problem growing worse since the advent of TV.
Bill_The_Cat hit the nail on the head at 4:03 PM yesterday with this little gem. For anyone who missed it, it bears repeating.
All in all, universal suffrage has been a disaster. People voting their own largesse in a system they barely contribute to. Functional idiots electing preening figureheads--a problem growing worse since the advent of TV.
Mr. Poster 3/13/2013 8:57:23 AM Report
It is TRUDEAUS WIN all the way. Unless he stumbles Garneau cannot catch him now. SADLY...GARNEAU IS THE BETTER GUY FOR THE JOB imho.
It is TRUDEAUS WIN all the way. Unless he stumbles Garneau cannot catch him now. SADLY...GARNEAU IS THE BETTER GUY FOR THE JOB imho.
Wisenheimer 3/13/2013 9:00:56 AM Report
What a sad, sad, state of Liberal affairs. Similarly, Tom Mulcair has just crashed and burned in Washington. Low information voters can read all about it, after getting their heads out of their nether regions.
What a sad, sad, state of Liberal affairs. Similarly, Tom Mulcair has just crashed and burned in Washington. Low information voters can read all about it, after getting their heads out of their nether regions.
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 9:01:30 AM Report
It was surely the case in the last American election. They're done now.
It was surely the case in the last American election. They're done now.
right wing 3/13/2013 9:05:47 AM Report
Mr Poster
You are correct Garneau would be the better choice.
Has nothing to do with how the bottom of the barrel liberals are looking at their chances of floating the boat again.
They might understand when their "Johnny Depp" takes her to the bottom again...might.
Mr Poster
You are correct Garneau would be the better choice.
Has nothing to do with how the bottom of the barrel liberals are looking at their chances of floating the boat again.
They might understand when their "Johnny Depp" takes her to the bottom again...might.
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 9:22:41 AM Report
Well the votes are in it seems.
The swamp people are all lined up to predict Trudeau's implosion. Cash in your pop bottles and dig under the mattress.Mortgage the mansion.
The Predicter's Posse are all lined up in a row.
Aside from the Romney romp that did not happen these experts picked England to lose the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, the confederates to steamroll Washington and the Leafs to win Lord Stanley's Cup in 1999, 2003, and from 2005-2011.
Sadly Garneau or even Kennedy are better choices but PET Lite just was awarded the crown from the clowns.
Well the votes are in it seems.
The swamp people are all lined up to predict Trudeau's implosion. Cash in your pop bottles and dig under the mattress.Mortgage the mansion.
The Predicter's Posse are all lined up in a row.
Aside from the Romney romp that did not happen these experts picked England to lose the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, the confederates to steamroll Washington and the Leafs to win Lord Stanley's Cup in 1999, 2003, and from 2005-2011.
Sadly Garneau or even Kennedy are better choices but PET Lite just was awarded the crown from the clowns.
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 9:41:34 AM Report
Not so, flyhawk. Trudeau may well get in according to my 8:53 AM post provided by Bill_The_Cat. I don't think a polished politician will implode the way the electorate thinks these days.
Not so, flyhawk. Trudeau may well get in according to my 8:53 AM post provided by Bill_The_Cat. I don't think a polished politician will implode the way the electorate thinks these days.
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 9:45:09 AM Report
The image is the thing. Just look what Obama's toothy grin did for him.
The image is the thing. Just look what Obama's toothy grin did for him.
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 9:46:07 AM Report
Not to mention all those wonderful free gifts provided by the productive taxpaying folks.
Not to mention all those wonderful free gifts provided by the productive taxpaying folks.
right wing 3/13/2013 10:02:17 AM Report
...don't forget the taxing, once again, of those "evil rich people".
...don't forget the taxing, once again, of those "evil rich people".
Wicket 3/13/2013 10:11:45 AM Report
And, it doesn't matter who gets in, all politicians, it seems, have their own personal, selfish agenda and do what is best for them and their families and not the voters.
I cannot understand how all of you can keep debating the same issues over and over again, do you not see that it is a never ending circle, - the more things change, the more they stay the same - and this certainly applies to politics here and in the U.S. Doesn't matter what the person looks like or what his/her name is - a politician is a politician.
So sick of this....scrolling time again.
But, not to get bashed, you have your rights to do this as I have mine to express my opinion.
And, it doesn't matter who gets in, all politicians, it seems, have their own personal, selfish agenda and do what is best for them and their families and not the voters.
I cannot understand how all of you can keep debating the same issues over and over again, do you not see that it is a never ending circle, - the more things change, the more they stay the same - and this certainly applies to politics here and in the U.S. Doesn't matter what the person looks like or what his/her name is - a politician is a politician.
So sick of this....scrolling time again.
But, not to get bashed, you have your rights to do this as I have mine to express my opinion.
skipper dave 3/13/2013 10:12:14 AM Report
By picking PET lite we have another platinum card contender a mile wide, shiny with no depth. Given that he breathes he stands a chance - Now if he can grow up quickly he may have a better chance of defeating Robo Steve.
By picking PET lite we have another platinum card contender a mile wide, shiny with no depth. Given that he breathes he stands a chance - Now if he can grow up quickly he may have a better chance of defeating Robo Steve.
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 10:19:52 AM Report
Just got an interesting note from a good friend about the pope vote.
He is a former priest.
He said that occasionally we get 'flowers growing in the mud'.
Gave as examples Oscar Romero, Dorothy Day and Jean Vanier.
Keeping in mind that the conclave is a 'closed election' it struck me that perhaps here in Canada we may get lucky and find our own flower in the mud in the next federal election.
I am trying to be optimistic but it is difficult.
Just got an interesting note from a good friend about the pope vote.
He is a former priest.
He said that occasionally we get 'flowers growing in the mud'.
Gave as examples Oscar Romero, Dorothy Day and Jean Vanier.
Keeping in mind that the conclave is a 'closed election' it struck me that perhaps here in Canada we may get lucky and find our own flower in the mud in the next federal election.
I am trying to be optimistic but it is difficult.
skipper dave 3/13/2013 10:26:20 AM Report
What really pisses me is we are faced with Harper losing against anyone! Perhaps who ever is being supported by the real owners of the country must be equipped with puppet strings?
What really pisses me is we are faced with Harper losing against anyone! Perhaps who ever is being supported by the real owners of the country must be equipped with puppet strings?
Grump 3/13/2013 10:44:09 AM Report
Just in to grab a bite and it's surely interesting to read the swamp peoples opinions or more like a parotting of rw's opinions. Like he has ever got it right before. I couldn't even squeeze a bet out of him over Romney. Justin may be young but just watch him kick Steve's butt back to Reformer land . Garneau has apparently thrown in the towel. These leadership hopefulls run up huge debt but seem Justin has prepaid his way but according to rw that is wrong. Fly I might agree about Garneau but he had to be given a safe riding to get a seat in the first place. Kennedy has screwed the Liberals up so many times that he should crawl away and join Steve and the Swampers. That said if anyone wishes to bet against Justin, some of my favorite charities would welcome your donations.
Just in to grab a bite and it's surely interesting to read the swamp peoples opinions or more like a parotting of rw's opinions. Like he has ever got it right before. I couldn't even squeeze a bet out of him over Romney. Justin may be young but just watch him kick Steve's butt back to Reformer land . Garneau has apparently thrown in the towel. These leadership hopefulls run up huge debt but seem Justin has prepaid his way but according to rw that is wrong. Fly I might agree about Garneau but he had to be given a safe riding to get a seat in the first place. Kennedy has screwed the Liberals up so many times that he should crawl away and join Steve and the Swampers. That said if anyone wishes to bet against Justin, some of my favorite charities would welcome your donations.
Brianne 3/13/2013 11:12:46 AM Report
" The countries with large and influential indigenous populations are well in the lead in seeking to preserve the planet. The countries that have driven indigenous populations to extinction or extreme marginalization are racing toward destruction.
Thus Ecuador, with its large indigenous population, is seeking aid from the rich countries to allow it to keep its substantial oil reserves underground, where they should be.
Meanwhile the U.S. and Canada are seeking to burn fossil fuels, including the extremely dangerous Canadian tar sands, and to do so as quickly and fully as possible, while they hail the wonders of a century of (largely meaningless) energy independence without a side glance at what the world might look like after this extravagant commitment to self-destruction.
This observation generalizes: Throughout the world, indigenous societies are struggling to protect what they sometimes call "the rights of nature," while the civilized and sophisticated scoff at this silliness.
This is all exactly the opposite of what rationality would predict -- unless it is the skewed form of reason that passes through the filter of RECD. "
http://chomsky.info/articles/20130305.htm
" The countries with large and influential indigenous populations are well in the lead in seeking to preserve the planet. The countries that have driven indigenous populations to extinction or extreme marginalization are racing toward destruction.
Thus Ecuador, with its large indigenous population, is seeking aid from the rich countries to allow it to keep its substantial oil reserves underground, where they should be.
Meanwhile the U.S. and Canada are seeking to burn fossil fuels, including the extremely dangerous Canadian tar sands, and to do so as quickly and fully as possible, while they hail the wonders of a century of (largely meaningless) energy independence without a side glance at what the world might look like after this extravagant commitment to self-destruction.
This observation generalizes: Throughout the world, indigenous societies are struggling to protect what they sometimes call "the rights of nature," while the civilized and sophisticated scoff at this silliness.
This is all exactly the opposite of what rationality would predict -- unless it is the skewed form of reason that passes through the filter of RECD. "
http://chomsky.info/articles/20130305.htm
skipper dave 3/13/2013 11:22:37 AM Report
Breanne - Some good points - BUT we who already have raped, pillaged and plundered our own lands till we choke on the very air we breath now insist that third world countries not follow our path to material wealth because we now see the big picture. Right! Explain that to an impoverished resident of India and see how much sympathy he gives you for having to drive your asthmatic child down to emergency in your SUV.
Breanne - Some good points - BUT we who already have raped, pillaged and plundered our own lands till we choke on the very air we breath now insist that third world countries not follow our path to material wealth because we now see the big picture. Right! Explain that to an impoverished resident of India and see how much sympathy he gives you for having to drive your asthmatic child down to emergency in your SUV.
mallet 3/13/2013 11:26:05 AM Report
On another topic, but somewhat allied with politics. I have a rather peculiar question regarding the Pope's election. Having visited the Sistine Chapel, many years ago, I cannot recall ever seeing a washroom. When viewing the preparations for this conclave I cannot recall seeing any "portapotty's either. As they are supposed to be locked in, and some are elederly, where the heck do they go for their bodily functions, also as I recall there was no kitchen either, so do they get take out??? enquiring minds would like to know!!!
On another topic, but somewhat allied with politics. I have a rather peculiar question regarding the Pope's election. Having visited the Sistine Chapel, many years ago, I cannot recall ever seeing a washroom. When viewing the preparations for this conclave I cannot recall seeing any "portapotty's either. As they are supposed to be locked in, and some are elederly, where the heck do they go for their bodily functions, also as I recall there was no kitchen either, so do they get take out??? enquiring minds would like to know!!!
Brianne 3/13/2013 11:35:44 AM Report
Skip, not sure where you went with that.... India ?
The paragraph I should have highlighted was this one.
"Meanwhile the U.S. and Canada are seeking to burn fossil fuels, including the extremely dangerous Canadian tar sands, and to do so as quickly and fully as possible, while they hail the wonders of a century of (largely meaningless) energy independence without a side glance at what the world might look like after this extravagant commitment to self-destruction."
As opposed to buying fossil fuels from abroad, Canada wants to capitalize on our own resources, but at the expense of destroying the lands......... should we be doing this ?
For every one million invested in fossil fuels 2 jobs are created. For every 1 million invested in alternative energy, 15 jobs are created.
Skip, not sure where you went with that.... India ?
The paragraph I should have highlighted was this one.
"Meanwhile the U.S. and Canada are seeking to burn fossil fuels, including the extremely dangerous Canadian tar sands, and to do so as quickly and fully as possible, while they hail the wonders of a century of (largely meaningless) energy independence without a side glance at what the world might look like after this extravagant commitment to self-destruction."
As opposed to buying fossil fuels from abroad, Canada wants to capitalize on our own resources, but at the expense of destroying the lands......... should we be doing this ?
For every one million invested in fossil fuels 2 jobs are created. For every 1 million invested in alternative energy, 15 jobs are created.
redranger 3/13/2013 11:38:18 AM Report
Because these Cardinals are such holy people, the Lord suspends all bodily needs and functions for the duration of the conclave. ... no food , no crap
Because these Cardinals are such holy people, the Lord suspends all bodily needs and functions for the duration of the conclave. ... no food , no crap
old-cat33 3/13/2013 11:44:20 AM Report
Well a little bit off the subject here but I heard the people from the Brier even wanted to kick that division (Northern Ontario) out of the loop? Even the sports people are picking on us poor Northerners!
Well a little bit off the subject here but I heard the people from the Brier even wanted to kick that division (Northern Ontario) out of the loop? Even the sports people are picking on us poor Northerners!
mallet 3/13/2013 11:45:55 AM Report
Brianne...
Love to know where you get these figures from, got a website with them on????
Brianne...
Love to know where you get these figures from, got a website with them on????
old-cat33 3/13/2013 11:47:57 AM Report
Speaking of Northern Ontario "The person that invented ABS Brakes" sure as hell didn't think of us up here either.
Just for the heck of it coming to work this morning in my little Danger Ranger I sped up a little across the parking lot and jammed on the brakes. Holy Crap I thought the little guy was going to vibrate apart!.....LOL.
Speaking of Northern Ontario "The person that invented ABS Brakes" sure as hell didn't think of us up here either.
Just for the heck of it coming to work this morning in my little Danger Ranger I sped up a little across the parking lot and jammed on the brakes. Holy Crap I thought the little guy was going to vibrate apart!.....LOL.
Brianne 3/13/2013 12:06:23 PM Report
Mallet, as per your request
http://bluegreencanada.ca/sites/default/files/resources/More%20Bang%20for%20Buck%20Nov%202012%20FINAL%20WEB.pdf
It is a pdf and takes a moment to load, as well, here is their website
http://bluegreencanada.ca/more-bang-for-our-buck
Mallet, as per your request
http://bluegreencanada.ca/sites/default/files/resources/More%20Bang%20for%20Buck%20Nov%202012%20FINAL%20WEB.pdf
It is a pdf and takes a moment to load, as well, here is their website
http://bluegreencanada.ca/more-bang-for-our-buck
Brianne 3/13/2013 12:07:52 PM Report
Oldcat........ will get your mitties done tomorrow......i forgot, so sorry !
Oldcat........ will get your mitties done tomorrow......i forgot, so sorry !
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 12:08:33 PM Report
mallet...I wondered much the same thing when I saw some of the cardinals lined up to take the secrecy oath leaning on someone for help.
Are they going to have to 'fly solo' when they are locked away?
But heck - if this method works why not use it on the senate? Let's start locking our politicians in their chambers until they actually accomplish something.
And we wonder why many kids are cynical?
mallet...I wondered much the same thing when I saw some of the cardinals lined up to take the secrecy oath leaning on someone for help.
Are they going to have to 'fly solo' when they are locked away?
But heck - if this method works why not use it on the senate? Let's start locking our politicians in their chambers until they actually accomplish something.
And we wonder why many kids are cynical?
T-rat 3/13/2013 12:09:01 PM Report
Old-Cat33: I'm glad to see that Northern Ontario is still represented in the annual Brier. I think we deserve to be there as much as the Territories. But in the days after the big win by Jacobs' rink, aka Team Northern Ontario, and after listening to all of the comments from team members, Soo Curlers club members, community folks, I find it a little odd that I heard..."great for the team, great for the Soo club, great for the community". I don't recall a single person saying "Great for Northern Ontario".
Old-Cat33: I'm glad to see that Northern Ontario is still represented in the annual Brier. I think we deserve to be there as much as the Territories. But in the days after the big win by Jacobs' rink, aka Team Northern Ontario, and after listening to all of the comments from team members, Soo Curlers club members, community folks, I find it a little odd that I heard..."great for the team, great for the Soo club, great for the community". I don't recall a single person saying "Great for Northern Ontario".
Brianne 3/13/2013 12:10:32 PM Report
Mallet, as well on their home page, the blogs have some interesting information from people working in the field...... great insites.
Mallet, as well on their home page, the blogs have some interesting information from people working in the field...... great insites.
Just Curious 3/13/2013 12:18:19 PM Report
Old Cat, I disconnect the ABS system on my wheels. Half the time they never work the way they are supposed too anyway. I learned a long time ago how to apply the brakes under different circumstances. Cars today do way too much thinking for the driver and they are totally screwed when the system break down.These new ones that park themselves or apply brakes automaticaly when you get too close just take away the drivers need to know anything about driving at all. Add to that a GPS system and you don't even have to know where you are going.The problems arise when the systems start breaking down(and they will)and some idiot rearends you because his car didn't do it by itself...:)
Old Cat, I disconnect the ABS system on my wheels. Half the time they never work the way they are supposed too anyway. I learned a long time ago how to apply the brakes under different circumstances. Cars today do way too much thinking for the driver and they are totally screwed when the system break down.These new ones that park themselves or apply brakes automaticaly when you get too close just take away the drivers need to know anything about driving at all. Add to that a GPS system and you don't even have to know where you are going.The problems arise when the systems start breaking down(and they will)and some idiot rearends you because his car didn't do it by itself...:)
suprman 3/13/2013 12:52:46 PM Report
Very sad to read that Mr. Garneau had to choose the exit door, most likely highly motivated for the same people who brought Stephan Dion and Iggy Ignatieff, carbon tax and the language police.
Well Steve, you can call an election any time and walk to the bank with another four years.
Very sad to read that Mr. Garneau had to choose the exit door, most likely highly motivated for the same people who brought Stephan Dion and Iggy Ignatieff, carbon tax and the language police.
Well Steve, you can call an election any time and walk to the bank with another four years.
mallet 3/13/2013 1:02:19 PM Report
Brianne...
For some reason neither of those sites want to come up for me... I put it in the "bing" bar and it comes back "no result".. However without having read it I can only suggest it is one of those sites which will make up its figures hoping no-one will check them. It may well be true, but like a lot of other things it's only a half truth. Yes there may be 15 jobs but once the panels are in place and the windmills up, how many long term jobs are produced, not too many! As with any construction job there maybe 100, 200 even more but once it is complete how many are needed, not many. Anything that has "Green" in the title, hang onto your wallet!!!
Brianne...
For some reason neither of those sites want to come up for me... I put it in the "bing" bar and it comes back "no result".. However without having read it I can only suggest it is one of those sites which will make up its figures hoping no-one will check them. It may well be true, but like a lot of other things it's only a half truth. Yes there may be 15 jobs but once the panels are in place and the windmills up, how many long term jobs are produced, not too many! As with any construction job there maybe 100, 200 even more but once it is complete how many are needed, not many. Anything that has "Green" in the title, hang onto your wallet!!!
mallet 3/13/2013 1:14:22 PM Report
J C..
That sort of "modification" can actually void your insurance, if you do not inform the company. I have been out of the business of auto repair for many years now but in any safety check or in the case of an accident and the vehicle is checked over mechanically, you could be in violation of a few regulations. I am sure Status could give you more information than I have, but I once did some engine modifications, and had my insurance voided for not informing them...
J C..
That sort of "modification" can actually void your insurance, if you do not inform the company. I have been out of the business of auto repair for many years now but in any safety check or in the case of an accident and the vehicle is checked over mechanically, you could be in violation of a few regulations. I am sure Status could give you more information than I have, but I once did some engine modifications, and had my insurance voided for not informing them...
mallet 3/13/2013 1:17:24 PM Report
J C..
Just an addition to that post of mine ... I quite agree with you regarding too many gizmos, and Mecedes Benz now has a car without a steering wheel, it has a computer joystick.. watch out for kids or grandkids borrowing it... they can probably do better than you in that!!
J C..
Just an addition to that post of mine ... I quite agree with you regarding too many gizmos, and Mecedes Benz now has a car without a steering wheel, it has a computer joystick.. watch out for kids or grandkids borrowing it... they can probably do better than you in that!!
Just Curious 3/13/2013 1:40:12 PM Report
Mallet; Yes ,it can void your insurance in some cases but if you have a "bad"fuse,oh well....:). In the sixties I beleive,Chrysler experimented with a car that had no wheel,just a pair of D handles similar to a shovel. They never marketed them, it was just a taste of the future sort of thing. Yes,put a joy stick like a computer game in a car and most kids will feel at home for sure,but how many kids can afford a Mercedes.:)When I watch the commercials today for new cars I just shake my head. I go back to the days when a heater was an option for softies in a pickup and an AM radio was just "out there". :)Damn,I am getting old,but you know what,I can get from where I am to wherever I want to go without some damn computer screen telling me..What I find really funny is they worry about distracted driving with a cell phone and people are staring at little screens on the dash telling them where to turn and how far to the next place and watching movies on the DVD player...What a world we live in...:)
Mallet; Yes ,it can void your insurance in some cases but if you have a "bad"fuse,oh well....:). In the sixties I beleive,Chrysler experimented with a car that had no wheel,just a pair of D handles similar to a shovel. They never marketed them, it was just a taste of the future sort of thing. Yes,put a joy stick like a computer game in a car and most kids will feel at home for sure,but how many kids can afford a Mercedes.:)When I watch the commercials today for new cars I just shake my head. I go back to the days when a heater was an option for softies in a pickup and an AM radio was just "out there". :)Damn,I am getting old,but you know what,I can get from where I am to wherever I want to go without some damn computer screen telling me..What I find really funny is they worry about distracted driving with a cell phone and people are staring at little screens on the dash telling them where to turn and how far to the next place and watching movies on the DVD player...What a world we live in...:)
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 1:44:51 PM Report
suprman...young Trudeau doesn't have a lock on anything yet.
But one of the surveys I read portray Canadians as far more liberal than Americans.
My guess is that is a direct relationship to our immigration policies and our social parachutes.
Fair or not Harper is being blamed for many problems today whether deserved or not.
And Trudeau Lite is offering a hope for a return to a more optimistic future. Frankly I don't know if the young man can organize a two car funeral. But if the local Liberals run any kind of credible candidate Bryan Hayes could be in for a short term in Ottawa. That is a big 'if'.
I worked on the original Trudeau-mania campaign and it was crazy. My hope is that he surrounds himself with some tough veteran politicos and gets things going.
However - if he has his father's arrogance it could be a rough campaign.
suprman...young Trudeau doesn't have a lock on anything yet.
But one of the surveys I read portray Canadians as far more liberal than Americans.
My guess is that is a direct relationship to our immigration policies and our social parachutes.
Fair or not Harper is being blamed for many problems today whether deserved or not.
And Trudeau Lite is offering a hope for a return to a more optimistic future. Frankly I don't know if the young man can organize a two car funeral. But if the local Liberals run any kind of credible candidate Bryan Hayes could be in for a short term in Ottawa. That is a big 'if'.
I worked on the original Trudeau-mania campaign and it was crazy. My hope is that he surrounds himself with some tough veteran politicos and gets things going.
However - if he has his father's arrogance it could be a rough campaign.
Just Curious 3/13/2013 1:54:58 PM Report
Mallet; Do you remember the Simca. It was a european car,not sure who built it,but it had an ignition key that went in either way up,way back in the fifties,and Ford brought it out in the seventies as the greatest advance ever in automotive engineering. It could also funtion almost up to the windshield in water due to the breather location and sealed electical systems. Loved that old car,looked similar to a Citrion. Drove home one night after work when my street was flooded and the headlights whre underwater and the car never stumbled...:)
Mallet; Do you remember the Simca. It was a european car,not sure who built it,but it had an ignition key that went in either way up,way back in the fifties,and Ford brought it out in the seventies as the greatest advance ever in automotive engineering. It could also funtion almost up to the windshield in water due to the breather location and sealed electical systems. Loved that old car,looked similar to a Citrion. Drove home one night after work when my street was flooded and the headlights whre underwater and the car never stumbled...:)
Just Curious 3/13/2013 3:20:01 PM Report
Spelly,One of these days i will figure out how to use spell-check on this thing and you will be out of business...LOL..:)
Spelly,One of these days i will figure out how to use spell-check on this thing and you will be out of business...LOL..:)
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 3:29:40 PM Report
I don't think it would have been any help on that one, JC. :)
I don't think it would have been any help on that one, JC. :)
mallet 3/13/2013 3:40:26 PM Report
J C..
Yes, Simca's were a French made vehicle, bit of a lame duck as far as main manufacturers, but a fairly reliable car. I suppose the most famous being the white one supposedly that sideswiped Princess Di's M B.. but could never be found..I think they were associated with Rootes Group/Chysler and Ford at one time, probably with Fiat as well if memory serves me right...
J C..
Yes, Simca's were a French made vehicle, bit of a lame duck as far as main manufacturers, but a fairly reliable car. I suppose the most famous being the white one supposedly that sideswiped Princess Di's M B.. but could never be found..I think they were associated with Rootes Group/Chysler and Ford at one time, probably with Fiat as well if memory serves me right...
mallet 3/13/2013 3:43:11 PM Report
Brianne...
Ah yes, As I said hold onto your wallet, far beit for me to say they would embelish anything that would make their agenda look good, just remember that YOU and I pay for all these things one way or another, and someone gets the green for it!!!
Brianne...
Ah yes, As I said hold onto your wallet, far beit for me to say they would embelish anything that would make their agenda look good, just remember that YOU and I pay for all these things one way or another, and someone gets the green for it!!!
skipper dave 3/13/2013 3:48:17 PM Report
Well I can sleep better now that pope Franky from Argentina is in. Next big storm is to clean all the perverts out - Jeez they may need the third world countries to fill the void of all the scum that are going to the big house. Of course Frank is going to claim ignorance on this one. Kind of like being offered to captain the Titanic after it kissed the iceberg and oh ya just sign these papers here and press hard there's lots of copies underneath. Welcome aboard Frank, hope your heart is in good shape.
Well I can sleep better now that pope Franky from Argentina is in. Next big storm is to clean all the perverts out - Jeez they may need the third world countries to fill the void of all the scum that are going to the big house. Of course Frank is going to claim ignorance on this one. Kind of like being offered to captain the Titanic after it kissed the iceberg and oh ya just sign these papers here and press hard there's lots of copies underneath. Welcome aboard Frank, hope your heart is in good shape.
mallet 3/13/2013 4:14:08 PM Report
Skipper Dave...
Were or should I say are any of them under the normal retiring age for people in outside occupations?? I mean this guys what 76, I know people live to be a hundred today, but thats the exception rather than the rule. Do they have to have a medical for this job? or do they just trust that the good Lord isnt going to ask him home next month??
Skipper Dave...
Were or should I say are any of them under the normal retiring age for people in outside occupations?? I mean this guys what 76, I know people live to be a hundred today, but thats the exception rather than the rule. Do they have to have a medical for this job? or do they just trust that the good Lord isnt going to ask him home next month??
Big Bad Bob 3/13/2013 5:09:59 PM Report
My late lamented wee English mother was wont to say that “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” She was right, of course, and having acknowledged that fact, I am happy to note that we Catholics are the only ones whose religion is tainted by fags and perverts. All of which means that, if and when we finally succeed in ridding our own house of such surplus baggage, we won’t have to worry about sweeping the doorsteps of others and can proceed with minding our own business as we would like others to do with theirs.
My late lamented wee English mother was wont to say that “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” She was right, of course, and having acknowledged that fact, I am happy to note that we Catholics are the only ones whose religion is tainted by fags and perverts. All of which means that, if and when we finally succeed in ridding our own house of such surplus baggage, we won’t have to worry about sweeping the doorsteps of others and can proceed with minding our own business as we would like others to do with theirs.
mallet 3/13/2013 5:32:12 PM Report
Big Bad Bob..
You may have had an english mother, who probably had lots of sayings, but I regret to inform you that your religion is not the only one beset with perverts. There is a C of E Priest from a town/village of Shoreham-by-sea who is in court right now, with his organist charged with interferring with 4 choirboys. He is 78, what gets into these people I have no idea. how to weed them out, I have no idea. What punishment can be handed out as a deterrent again I have no idea, and I am not sure anyone has an idea either...
Big Bad Bob..
You may have had an english mother, who probably had lots of sayings, but I regret to inform you that your religion is not the only one beset with perverts. There is a C of E Priest from a town/village of Shoreham-by-sea who is in court right now, with his organist charged with interferring with 4 choirboys. He is 78, what gets into these people I have no idea. how to weed them out, I have no idea. What punishment can be handed out as a deterrent again I have no idea, and I am not sure anyone has an idea either...
bignickel 3/13/2013 5:39:31 PM Report
Just Curious...
I believe the car you were referring to was the "Chrysler Turbine". It was produced in 1963 and 64.and featured a turbine engine that would run on any combustible liquid except leaded gas. (leaded fuels built up on the turbines).
The only produced around 55 of these cars and only 9 exist. Most in museums but two belong to private collectors (Yes Jay Leno is one).
You can find out more here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
Just Curious...
I believe the car you were referring to was the "Chrysler Turbine". It was produced in 1963 and 64.and featured a turbine engine that would run on any combustible liquid except leaded gas. (leaded fuels built up on the turbines).
The only produced around 55 of these cars and only 9 exist. Most in museums but two belong to private collectors (Yes Jay Leno is one).
You can find out more here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
Grump 3/13/2013 6:03:11 PM Report
bignickle That was very interesting. I thought I was fairly up on cars, particularily the old ones but I completely missed that one. I sure hope I was distracted by something worthwhile. lol
bignickle That was very interesting. I thought I was fairly up on cars, particularily the old ones but I completely missed that one. I sure hope I was distracted by something worthwhile. lol
skipper dave 3/13/2013 6:55:23 PM Report
Alright you catlicks got a new CEO - Point of observation, I did follow CNN for a few moments and I pride myself in noticing details. In the parade of Cardinals I did not see one who looked like he missed a meal. Of course it's lent and they are in Italy where you load up on the carbs and eat big pasta meals then between meals you eat maybe that's splains it. Stats what would a cardinal diet look like? You seem to be a culinary man of the world. Of course breky would have to be eggs Benedict, heavy on the hollandaise. What would christ eat?
Alright you catlicks got a new CEO - Point of observation, I did follow CNN for a few moments and I pride myself in noticing details. In the parade of Cardinals I did not see one who looked like he missed a meal. Of course it's lent and they are in Italy where you load up on the carbs and eat big pasta meals then between meals you eat maybe that's splains it. Stats what would a cardinal diet look like? You seem to be a culinary man of the world. Of course breky would have to be eggs Benedict, heavy on the hollandaise. What would christ eat?
mallet 3/13/2013 7:14:17 PM Report
Grump..
Rover had a gas turbine engined car back in the fifties, but never went into production, it would run on parrafin,petrol and diesel. They also collaborated with BRM and had a car in the 1963 Le Mans 24hr, it averaged about 110MPH. Both were based on the Frank Whittle jet engine.
Grump..
Rover had a gas turbine engined car back in the fifties, but never went into production, it would run on parrafin,petrol and diesel. They also collaborated with BRM and had a car in the 1963 Le Mans 24hr, it averaged about 110MPH. Both were based on the Frank Whittle jet engine.
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 7:51:27 PM Report
skipper...interesting question and interesting observation.
The new pope apparently lives in a small apartment, cooks his own meals and takes public transit back in Argentina.
He is also a Jesuit and took a vow of poverty. That means unlike most clerics he really does walk the walk.
But he is a Jesuit. And I was taught by these guys and never met one who was not a smart - really smart - guy.
I don't expect a tidal change in things but if you looked closely you would have seen his simple wooden cross.
Compare that to the other ornate crap of his predecessors and perhaps take hope.
Let's wait and see.
skipper...interesting question and interesting observation.
The new pope apparently lives in a small apartment, cooks his own meals and takes public transit back in Argentina.
He is also a Jesuit and took a vow of poverty. That means unlike most clerics he really does walk the walk.
But he is a Jesuit. And I was taught by these guys and never met one who was not a smart - really smart - guy.
I don't expect a tidal change in things but if you looked closely you would have seen his simple wooden cross.
Compare that to the other ornate crap of his predecessors and perhaps take hope.
Let's wait and see.
right wing 3/13/2013 7:53:13 PM Report
Grump
You are jumping the gun just a tad on any betting.
Trudeau has only won the leadership of a party in ruin.
We shall see what unfolds as the next federal election comes about.
Like any other, if the economy is chugging along Harper will have zero worries.
...on the other hand Obama got in with the economy in the bottom of the tank.
When the day is near I shall further discuss your bet.
Grump
You are jumping the gun just a tad on any betting.
Trudeau has only won the leadership of a party in ruin.
We shall see what unfolds as the next federal election comes about.
Like any other, if the economy is chugging along Harper will have zero worries.
...on the other hand Obama got in with the economy in the bottom of the tank.
When the day is near I shall further discuss your bet.
statusquo 3/13/2013 8:05:29 PM Report
mallett, big nickle and grump,
The turbine concept has been tried for automotive purposes in the past. As mallett stated Rover tried it and Chrysler tried it.
The fact is that turbines or "jets" as it were, are ultra reliable....simple in design and can be run on almost anything...hence their use in aircraft.
Jet fuel is basically crap!
But.....these contraptions are notoriously inefficient as compared to reciprocating motors.
Comparing the two engines the reciprocating (up and down piston) engine obtains its work output by employing very high pressures(as much as 1000 psi during the actual ignition phase in the cylinder during combustion).With these high pressures, a large amount of work can be obtained from a metered quantity of fuel,thus raising the thermal efficiency.
The turbine, or "Jet" on the other hand, is limited by the ability of the compressor to build up pressure without elevated temperature . Increasing the compression ratio would also increase the air temperature.Since most gas turbine engines are already operating at elevated temperatures this increased air temperature would result in a mandatory decrease in fuel flow, making it very difficult to increase compression.
The up and down piston engine is here to stay as it has been refined to a point that other technologies would have a herculean task to catch up.
mallett, big nickle and grump,
The turbine concept has been tried for automotive purposes in the past. As mallett stated Rover tried it and Chrysler tried it.
The fact is that turbines or "jets" as it were, are ultra reliable....simple in design and can be run on almost anything...hence their use in aircraft.
Jet fuel is basically crap!
But.....these contraptions are notoriously inefficient as compared to reciprocating motors.
Comparing the two engines the reciprocating (up and down piston) engine obtains its work output by employing very high pressures(as much as 1000 psi during the actual ignition phase in the cylinder during combustion).With these high pressures, a large amount of work can be obtained from a metered quantity of fuel,thus raising the thermal efficiency.
The turbine, or "Jet" on the other hand, is limited by the ability of the compressor to build up pressure without elevated temperature . Increasing the compression ratio would also increase the air temperature.Since most gas turbine engines are already operating at elevated temperatures this increased air temperature would result in a mandatory decrease in fuel flow, making it very difficult to increase compression.
The up and down piston engine is here to stay as it has been refined to a point that other technologies would have a herculean task to catch up.
Grump 3/13/2013 8:28:39 PM Report
rw and Harper has a party that he is in the process of ruining. My choice has a ways to go ,while your choice is there and yet you continue to waffle. Where is you neo-con faith my son. LMAO
rw and Harper has a party that he is in the process of ruining. My choice has a ways to go ,while your choice is there and yet you continue to waffle. Where is you neo-con faith my son. LMAO
statusquo 3/13/2013 8:45:37 PM Report
Justin Trudeau needs to listen to his advisers and tread carefully.
He will be the next leader of the Liberals in Canada.
Harper is undoubtedly one of the worst PM's Canada ever had to endure and the "majority" of Canadians never voted for him.
Granted, the alternatives at the time were more than questionable, so Harper filled in. The "known" option if you will.
In his reign Canada has lost considerable standing globally.
A global standing that was achieved during Pearson and PET, as before that Canada was a non-entity on the world stage.
Justin has the youth and innocence to make a difference.
But he needs to learn that politics is a very dirty game.
You need to be able to wrestle with the pigs and not get dirty.
And yes, Pierre Trudeau was by far the best PM Canada ever had....and I will not discuss it!
Justin Trudeau needs to listen to his advisers and tread carefully.
He will be the next leader of the Liberals in Canada.
Harper is undoubtedly one of the worst PM's Canada ever had to endure and the "majority" of Canadians never voted for him.
Granted, the alternatives at the time were more than questionable, so Harper filled in. The "known" option if you will.
In his reign Canada has lost considerable standing globally.
A global standing that was achieved during Pearson and PET, as before that Canada was a non-entity on the world stage.
Justin has the youth and innocence to make a difference.
But he needs to learn that politics is a very dirty game.
You need to be able to wrestle with the pigs and not get dirty.
And yes, Pierre Trudeau was by far the best PM Canada ever had....and I will not discuss it!
Spellchecker 3/13/2013 9:02:13 PM Report
Glad we won't have to hear any more of that nonsense.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/23/david-frum-the-disastrous-legacy-of-pierre-trudeau/
Glad we won't have to hear any more of that nonsense.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/23/david-frum-the-disastrous-legacy-of-pierre-trudeau/
Retreaded 3/13/2013 9:15:10 PM Report
I wonder if all the other churches feel a little left out since they have no need for the pomp and ceremony that electing a new pope brings.
I wonder if all the other churches feel a little left out since they have no need for the pomp and ceremony that electing a new pope brings.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 9:20:43 PM Report
Spelly, nice post!
Arguably the worst PM Canada ever saw. If anyone doesn't feel like arguing, second worst. I'll give him a bit of credit for the terribly constructed CCRF.
It should include the ability of a public to overthrow the government with armed force, and grant them unrestricted rights of arms ownership.
Spelly, nice post!
Arguably the worst PM Canada ever saw. If anyone doesn't feel like arguing, second worst. I'll give him a bit of credit for the terribly constructed CCRF.
It should include the ability of a public to overthrow the government with armed force, and grant them unrestricted rights of arms ownership.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 9:28:07 PM Report
Grump, can we hear another over-exaggerated, derisive "LMAO" one more time? No wait! Make it a LMFAO, just to make it more edgy!
Grump, can we hear another over-exaggerated, derisive "LMAO" one more time? No wait! Make it a LMFAO, just to make it more edgy!
statusquo 3/13/2013 9:38:03 PM Report
A multy tasking , texting-while-at work_-in the medical profession gun freak and a bible thumping prophet conspire against me whilst reading "articles" in the National Enquirer...sorry "Post"...priceless! The race to the bottom knows no bounds.
A multy tasking , texting-while-at work_-in the medical profession gun freak and a bible thumping prophet conspire against me whilst reading "articles" in the National Enquirer...sorry "Post"...priceless! The race to the bottom knows no bounds.
flyhawk25 3/13/2013 9:41:31 PM Report
Voice...congratulations.
Your template for anarchy would get you arrested in most countries.
Fortunately for you we Canadians are a gentle group.
Even more fortunate - for you - we have socialized medicine and you will be able to get the psychiatric treatment you need at no cost to you.
Now...step away from the computer and either take your medication or have your mother dial 911.
Voice...congratulations.
Your template for anarchy would get you arrested in most countries.
Fortunately for you we Canadians are a gentle group.
Even more fortunate - for you - we have socialized medicine and you will be able to get the psychiatric treatment you need at no cost to you.
Now...step away from the computer and either take your medication or have your mother dial 911.
statusquo 3/13/2013 9:42:33 PM Report
Voice,
there ain't no such thing as "over -exagerated"..it's redundant.
As redundant as "irregardless."
Voice,
there ain't no such thing as "over -exagerated"..it's redundant.
As redundant as "irregardless."
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 9:44:30 PM Report
And the no good, you-can-always-count-on Liberal mockery begins. I'm excited to read some more well thought out brain farts.
And the no good, you-can-always-count-on Liberal mockery begins. I'm excited to read some more well thought out brain farts.
statusquo 3/13/2013 9:47:34 PM Report
Voice,
Time for bed. Why don't you go to bed and suck your newly acquired "Glock"!
We can converse in the morning.
Voice,
Time for bed. Why don't you go to bed and suck your newly acquired "Glock"!
We can converse in the morning.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 9:48:19 PM Report
It's probably a good thing I don't live in North Korea then, right fly? Uttering oppressive statements like that in Texas would earn you the privilege (not right, because there's nothing you could do about it) to be the new floor mop.
It's probably a good thing I don't live in North Korea then, right fly? Uttering oppressive statements like that in Texas would earn you the privilege (not right, because there's nothing you could do about it) to be the new floor mop.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 9:50:22 PM Report
The beautiful thing about owning a "Glock" is I get to choose who sucks it, stats.
The beautiful thing about owning a "Glock" is I get to choose who sucks it, stats.
statusquo 3/13/2013 9:52:46 PM Report
Voice,
I have to admit, that is funny...in a Tarantino kind of way....
Voice,
I have to admit, that is funny...in a Tarantino kind of way....
Bill_the_Cat 3/13/2013 10:02:26 PM Report
vor: Always preferred Sigs. Easier to clean in dusty places, and available in concealed carry sizes.
Kudos to the new pope. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
vor: Always preferred Sigs. Easier to clean in dusty places, and available in concealed carry sizes.
Kudos to the new pope. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
redranger 3/13/2013 10:03:50 PM Report
Was not the leader of the Jesuit order called"the black pope" in earlier times ?
I worked with Jesuit priests at Laurentian 50 years ago and found them to be wonderful and wise men. When I went back to LU in summer of 1987, the priest I had worked with closest was also visiting and we had tea. He told me he had left teaching and gone to Africa to work with children. He said he had remembered that he was a priest first and a teacher second.
It is possible to admire Catholic priests without being Catholic. I am not RC. In fact my sister is an Anglican priest. She is also the chaplain of the jail in Sudbury. Another priest who was a teacher died yesterday. Father Jim Rent taught at St Mary's but he also taught at Sir James Dunn while on a leave from his duties. Finally, I had the pleasure of teaching with a Rabbi.
All these religious people have shown me nothing but the good in man. Their respective religions had nothing to do with it . They were just good people.
The opposite is also true. We will find the bad ones in all churches. Do not blame the religions
Was not the leader of the Jesuit order called"the black pope" in earlier times ?
I worked with Jesuit priests at Laurentian 50 years ago and found them to be wonderful and wise men. When I went back to LU in summer of 1987, the priest I had worked with closest was also visiting and we had tea. He told me he had left teaching and gone to Africa to work with children. He said he had remembered that he was a priest first and a teacher second.
It is possible to admire Catholic priests without being Catholic. I am not RC. In fact my sister is an Anglican priest. She is also the chaplain of the jail in Sudbury. Another priest who was a teacher died yesterday. Father Jim Rent taught at St Mary's but he also taught at Sir James Dunn while on a leave from his duties. Finally, I had the pleasure of teaching with a Rabbi.
All these religious people have shown me nothing but the good in man. Their respective religions had nothing to do with it . They were just good people.
The opposite is also true. We will find the bad ones in all churches. Do not blame the religions
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 10:05:19 PM Report
Bill, Glock pistols are available in concealable packages and actually can stand up to some pretty harsh scenarios. I even questions "Glock perfection" when it comes to stats' mouth though.
Bill, Glock pistols are available in concealable packages and actually can stand up to some pretty harsh scenarios. I even questions "Glock perfection" when it comes to stats' mouth though.
Bill_the_Cat 3/13/2013 10:15:15 PM Report
vor: Yes. I've used both--still prefer my trusty Browning (that ages me). It seems a Glock 17 lies in my future, though. Should be interesting.
Priests are human first: good and bad flow from that primarily. I've met good/evil from all religions. And some from no-religion. Seems most people just want to get along, have enough to live and raise kids, and pass from this earth. Funny that.
vor: Yes. I've used both--still prefer my trusty Browning (that ages me). It seems a Glock 17 lies in my future, though. Should be interesting.
Priests are human first: good and bad flow from that primarily. I've met good/evil from all religions. And some from no-religion. Seems most people just want to get along, have enough to live and raise kids, and pass from this earth. Funny that.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 10:24:06 PM Report
I'm going to roll the dice and say you're speaking of the Hi-Power, Bill? Easily one of John Browning's best design. I would like to think the 1911 and Hi-Power are a toss-up. I chose the 1911.
I'm going to roll the dice and say you're speaking of the Hi-Power, Bill? Easily one of John Browning's best design. I would like to think the 1911 and Hi-Power are a toss-up. I chose the 1911.
Bill_the_Cat 3/13/2013 10:39:23 PM Report
vor: yup. A variant anyway--and it chose me, so to speak. The 17 is receiving rave reviews from colleagues. I've always preferred the 1911s stopping power though, which is why I advocated for the G20.
vor: yup. A variant anyway--and it chose me, so to speak. The 17 is receiving rave reviews from colleagues. I've always preferred the 1911s stopping power though, which is why I advocated for the G20.
Bill_the_Cat 3/13/2013 10:40:10 PM Report
vor: whilst not the same as the 1911, provided a but more robust ventilation effect.
vor: whilst not the same as the 1911, provided a but more robust ventilation effect.
Voiceofreason 3/13/2013 10:46:20 PM Report
I can honestly say I hate the way the G17 looks, but it's pretty hard to make it look bad.
I can honestly say I hate the way the G17 looks, but it's pretty hard to make it look bad.
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