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View Room Comments for Saturday, Mar. 9 2013

Saturday, March 09, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 3/9/2013 5:27:06 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo! What to wear? Today is the day! Hope you folks show, especially those who are content to sit on the side lines on this site. Start off low and slow just by dropping in and saying hi.
Once again Fly correct me if I'm wrong. Water Tower 1:00pm to 3:00pm Restaurant. Hope to see you there, I'm the bald one-arm guy, real easy to spot.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 5:39:44 AM Report

skipper no disrespect meant but how about instead of the bald one armed guy it be the one armed bandit? kinda catchy and you could wear an eye patch just to throw them off..aarrgh me hardies..I truly mean no disrespect to you and have enjoyed your early morning posts sharing your life journey...
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 5:46:29 AM Report

my father has fought the battle and has been in remission for the last five years...5 precisous years that we are truly thankful for
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:01:12 AM Report

no worries though, I know I can be abrasive at times on here but only to those I deem worthy of it, of which you are not one.

As I get older I have less tolerance for those that wish to perpetuate stereotypes though I'm sure I could be a little more gentle in my critique of them.

I miss some of the original posters on here and have often wondered what has become of Rico and his pet parrot Pepe,..the last I had heard of him he was seen in a dumpster headed for the border..perhaps he has morphed into senormex.
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 6:43:03 AM Report

skipper...good morning.
I see some other old guy is also up early because today only has 23 hours.
The Winter Summit is at 1:00 at the Pub in the Water Tower Inn, not the restaurant.
Now...back to working on that sign for the corner table:'Reserved For Lurkers'.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:48:53 AM Report

fly hopefully that comment is not directed at me as I've never said nor wished ill will toward you.

Is it?
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:51:02 AM Report

if it is then so be it...just so you are aware it is 9:20 pm here and my saturday is almost done.
statusquo 3/9/2013 6:56:33 AM Report

I have been busy lately and I have some trouble at home....I can't find Darlene...she deflated and the dog must have dragged her somewhere.....consequently I have not been on much here.

But I do "glance"..or "scan" as it were and lo and behold there are always gems to be found.

-AceOfBass 3/8/2013 7:56:52 AM Report-

"What a bunch of left wing morons blaming the government for putting law breakers in jail.You do the crime you do the time."

This comment was directed at "shakespear's" observation that the national prison population has changed dramatically over the last five years in relation to the percentage of native/ First Nation folks that are incarcerated.

I picked "Ace's" comment because he/she is indicative of a simple outlook on things...a black and white world where the good guys always win.
Most of us "white" folks know that something is wrong here, but we feel uncomfortable talking about it.

I mean, surely...who believes that Native's are more prone to commit crimes just because of their heritage?
Does anyone believe that African American's or Hispanics are more inclined to become criminals due to the fact that they are overrepresented in American prisons?

I can see why "Ace" posted what he did.
Judging from his posts in the past, he , to put it an "instinctive" thinker. (smiley face)

Why don't folks realize that social inequality is the root cause for lives going astray ?

Who's fault is it? It's everyone's fault!
From the top down to the average Joe blow.
I say that because the current situation is intolerable and we should be up in arms....but we aren't.....we hope somebody will fix this, somehow...but not me.
The only time we rant and rave is when the Natives block a highway....then watch the rednecks go at it!

To people like "Ace", and "Wisen" I say that you certainly can be a racist and not even know it.

Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:57:22 AM Report

or perhaps you are upset at my lurking comment from an fyi that was said in jest to give those who wish to perpetuate hatred and intolerance toward the original inhabitants of this land and regulate us to third class citizens a moment to pause and reflect on their comments and perhaps wonder if indeed someone was watching.

I have never nor would I lurk one of these events.
Wisenheimer 3/9/2013 6:57:41 AM Report

Check out newcon's tribute to the late Charles Richards on Sootoday news. Well said.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:59:46 AM Report

enjoy your gatherinng
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 7:00:45 AM Report

Not to worry.
Do they celebrate Daylight Savings Time there?
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 7:12:27 AM Report

In Australia Daylight Saving Time or Summer Time is used in the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria.

Australia daylight saving time begins on the first Sunday in October at 2 AM Eastern Standard Time and ends on the first Sunday in April at 2 AM Eastern Standard Time (3 AM Daylight Saving Time).

Daylight Saving Time is not used in the Northern Territory, Queensland and Western Australia.

flyhawk25 3/9/2013 7:19:36 AM Report have hit the root of the problem.
It seems that Ace's simplistic solution to that and most other issues comes from the Conservative Handbook.
Wonderful reading. It requires no analytical thought just simple one line answers.
My condolences on Darlene's wound. I'm sure you've got some old tire patches - once you find the body.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 7:33:36 AM Report

Morning Guys.
May see some of you there if I can manage to drag Mr. DT with me.
Otherwise one look at all that testosterone will put me on the run.
Hope a few of the gals will make an appearance.
statusquo 3/9/2013 7:34:00 AM Report

Thanks for your concern Fly. Please say a prayer for poor ol' Darlene.
As you know "He" finds lost dogs....surely, "He" will locate her.
Unless of course, "He" is busy overseeing the Papal election at the Vatican.
One thing that was vexing me is the fact that the cardinals are locked in for the entire duration....can they leave for potty breaks, or are they wearing the same brand of "depends" as Rand Paul?
It's a pissy situation and I hope they don't develop any rashes.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 7:35:27 AM Report

so being in Darwin, there is no switching of the time
statusquo 3/9/2013 7:39:26 AM Report


"Hope a few of the gals will make an appearance."

I am not sure if I can make it. But if I show up in drag, would that help?
I bought this killer black dress at Costco and I can't wait to show it off.
I was wearing it the other day whilst listening to old tunes of "Heintje".
epc 3/9/2013 7:48:58 AM Report

I hope you all have an enjoyable Summit today.

Last summer I had the pleasure to meet a few new faces at the Canadian luncheon. Grump, Bobby, Flyhawk and Pink Peony... Along with familiair faces.

l had a great time and these are truly wonderful people in person.

I won't be in the Soo this year until mid August. I am looking forward to a nice get together again.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 7:53:30 AM Report

Status, you probably look better in your basic little black number than I would so go ahead. ;)

Now I need to go and feed the birds before they knock the door down.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 8:43:21 AM Report

well it's 11:22 pm here and time of beddy bye....have a great gathering and hopefully you get to sovle the probems of society..take care for now
skipper dave 3/9/2013 9:32:58 AM Report

I don't understand - Invited the misses to come along to the summit - Her and the step Kids chose Searchmount instead. Go figure? In my 65 years plus some of my greatest psychological breakthroughs have happened in pubs on a Saturday afternoon. I would get together with other like minded, deep thinkers and seekers of truth and we would come up with major innovative solutions to world problems. Only drawback was we would forget to appoint someone as scribe and all these wonderful solutions would eventually disappear in an alcoholic haze. The result being that we had to repeat the whole process all over again the next weekend. I used to say the Saturday afternoon with some of those guys was akin to spending a whole week together getting to know each other on a much deeper level than I thought humanly possible.
I can remember bringing one of those new true friends home with me at 8:00pm for 5:00pm supper. Didn't even know his name but that wasn't important, he was a world traveler following his dreams, so what if he hadn't bathed in some time and so what if he openly rolled and smoked pot at the table, he was a nice guy. Now there was a fine example of my former spouse not having an open mind and a compassionate heart. Fact is when he and I entered my abode I felt the temperature drop a good ten degrees and I could feel a pissed mist the minute I crossed the threshold. Some people are sensitive that way. So if this afternoon at the pub if I invite you home for supper just ignore me and call me a taxi. It's cheaper than a divorce.
Wicket 3/9/2013 9:35:57 AM Report

Grump - undecided about this afternoon, hubby is busy...and I agree with Dutchtouch, too much testosterone...
I am sure there will be great conversation and a few laughs, so enjoy....everyone...and I may just pop in...we'll see.
Grump 3/9/2013 9:35:58 AM Report

Niigaanis I have a daughter and son-in-law in Brisbane but more importantly I also have a granddaughter there. lol. My son-in-law went on a one year IT contract but ended up signing for four years as they are all enjoying it.
Grump 3/9/2013 9:39:37 AM Report

Come on Wicket you girls can act as a testosterone damper and I'm sure the boys will all be on their best behaviour today with you ladies in attendance
Grump 3/9/2013 9:44:26 AM Report

Skipper true words of profound wisdom. A fellow really has to wonder at times, particularily when you are young, if women really have sence of humour. lol.
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 9:51:54 AM Report

G3 and his bride will be in attendance.
So much for the 'testosterone overload'.
Trust me. She manages to keep us all in line in both official languages.
This is a social event - not a public debate.
I remember the first time Dutch Touch attended. It is her story to tell but I did not think she was threatened after the first minute or so. Or at least I hope not.
We all adopt a certain 'cyber-personna' - with the exception of SQ who really is as wild-eyed as he writes. We just slip him an animal tranquilizer in his soda and in a few minutes he's singing Broadway show tunes.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 9:56:00 AM Report

There you go Wicket.Grump promises they'll behave. So no more excuses.
I'm still working on the Mr. but am making some headway. I'll save you a seat.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 10:09:20 AM Report

I still remember the days when women weren't allowed into a bar unescorted.
There was a special door and room for unescorted ladies. No wonder some of us are still a little antsy about walking into bars alone.

We've come a long way baby.
Grump 3/9/2013 10:18:12 AM Report

Dutch Touch I'm old and still not too bright but I do know enough to not say those were the good old days. lol
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 10:30:54 AM Report

Ahh...'Ladies and Escorts' and the bar closing at supper time for an hour to insure that every overserved husband got home to his family.
"Time Gentlemen".
I was using a fake ID and just in awe of the experience.
Grump 3/9/2013 10:35:33 AM Report

Speaking of unescorted women, a friend of mine who had worked for me in Saudi, later took a five year job in Cuba. He and his wife loved the place and the locals. The company had rented a whole hotel there for the workers and working girls were not allowed in unless they were escorted. This friend of mine put two on each arm when he got back in the evening and escorted them into the hotel so they could earn a living. He and his wife really felt for these people and in many third world countries if these woman didn't work their families wouldn't eat. It was more survival there than a sex trade. I remember a cousin of mine being disgusted that a bottle of wine cost 25 dollars in a hotel in Sri Lanka and the waiters didn't make 25 dollars a month. She was a teacher and I tried to explain that if they didn't buy that wine, someone might not eat that month. We do tend to be spoiled and bitch and moan a lot but check out the third world. See all of you later.
Grump 3/9/2013 10:40:08 AM Report

Fly I believe they closed for an hour and one half, to get you wayward youth out of their establishments. lol.
AceOfBass 3/9/2013 10:42:48 AM Report

What does the Norgoma have in common with Rock Hudson?
One was a Ferry ,the other was a Terminal fairy.
right wing 3/9/2013 10:45:47 AM Report

"I mean, surely...who believes that Native's are more prone to commit crimes just because of their heritage?"


It may not be their heritage on it's own but it is certainly their ethnicity and race which heritage does somewhat overlap.
The very fact that they are First Nations, Metis or Inuit ensures they have a much higher chance of committing crime and doing jail time.
Also depending on their heritage the crimes will be different.
First Nations are more prone to crimes of violence, homicide, and robbery.
Inuit have a higher rate of sexual assaults.
Métis have significantly more previous offences and secure custody sentences in their youth than First Nations and Inuit male offenders.
Now the reasons behind this are the real "meat and potatoes" of the issue.
This is where it becomes a societal problem, a Canadian problem if you will, as to why a particular group is suffering this.
Voiceofreason 3/9/2013 10:50:53 AM Report

stats, criminals are criminals. The only way they can prove they aren't is by turning their life around and becoming productive. Stats, violent criminals do not deserve to live in society. Drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like deserve either jail time for life or to be put down. Period.
AceOfBass 3/9/2013 11:01:27 AM Report

Statusqua or whatever your handle is this week.
Have you ever worked for Corrections Canada.
I have and the First Nations get priority treatment they have programs that they have to take.
They have elders who come in to administer these programs.

Most of these crimes are sex crimes
The rest of the crimes are B&E, robbery, etc. Murder,Manslaughter,drugs.

Sure it is easy for you lefties,to rant about something you don't have a clue you are talking about.

Like everything else their are innocent people who get locked up.

It makes one feel good when one of these inmates are set free when they are found innocent of the crime.
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 11:06:38 AM Report

The swamp's filling up. Time to plugin the electric rollers and get ready for the Summit.
That Figures 3/9/2013 11:06:48 AM Report

skipper dave,
I've been out of commission for the last few weeks since surgery. I was really looking forward to meeting you at the next summit but am not yet fully mobile. Next one for sure.
Enjoy the summit.
right wing 3/9/2013 11:10:03 AM Report

"The only way they can prove they aren't is by turning their life around and becoming productive."


Your statement, although true in its simplistic form, is far from the reality.
To put it in comparison a non-aboriginal offender may have a chance of turning their life around.
Lets say that chance would be like completing the physical training course at a military base.
Very tough but doable.
For many aboriginals it is like climbing Mount Kilimanjaro.
right wing 3/9/2013 11:13:14 AM Report are way off your "base" on this one.
mvnnth 3/9/2013 11:14:22 AM Report

Hi There,
Long time no post. Reason is that I discovered, no real surprise to me, that my skin is a little too thin for the rough and tumble on here.
Although I don't post I have been known to lurk and I will continue to look in every now and again. I hope everyone has a great time this afternoon and, if I could, I'd buy a jug for the cause to help things along.
P.S. When are the skipper and the Speller going to offer to host a summit on their watercraft? Come on guys...
right wing 3/9/2013 11:21:41 AM Report


Studies show that in the Canadian justice system Aboriginals make up 15% of the provincial/territorial admissions, 17% of federal and 14% of admission to probation.
Yet Aboriginal peoples account for only 2% of the Canadian adult population.
Now start linking this to unemployment, poverty, childhood abuse, addictions, education...get the picture?
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 11:25:19 AM Report

Hi mvnnth, good to see you again. I wondered from time to time about how you were doing in your absence from the site. I'm afraid our boats are a little small for a summit unless some go on one and others on the other with a rendezvous at the Tilt'n Hilton. Perhaps we can arrange such a thing. How about it, skipper?
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 11:27:02 AM Report

If there wasn't a large turnout we could probably all fit on skipper's Celtic Cross.
right wing 3/9/2013 11:42:28 AM Report

...are boats powered by gas guzzling inboards allowed or is this just a sailing thingy?
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 11:47:28 AM Report

I'm sure there are those who would prefer a gas guzzling inboard, right wing, if you would like to provide one.
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 11:57:53 AM Report

Certain weather conditions might require fossil fuels to be used on the sailing vessels also. They don't sail well with no wind.
skipper dave 3/9/2013 11:59:30 AM Report

Great suggestion but only if it's a sober sail than back to the dock to sit on the deck of the Tilt-Hilt. Lay people may be surprised to find that sail boats are not designed to move horizontal and there's not much fun in wasting your beer as belly wash to combat motion sickness. Nor having the skipper trying to convince you we are not falling over.
right wing 3/9/2013 11:59:37 AM Report

skipper dave and I boating together...what a blast it would be....
skipper dave 3/9/2013 12:05:25 PM Report

rw you could be my right hand guy and I can be your buddy and you can call me AL.
skipper dave 3/9/2013 12:07:03 PM Report

That Figures - Get well and join us, keep looking over your shoulder to see where you've been.
Retreaded 3/9/2013 12:22:31 PM Report

So tomorrow...I guess the topic will be post summit blather...i can hardly wait.
mvnnth 3/9/2013 12:42:16 PM Report

"only if it's a sober sail than back to the dock to sit on the deck of the Tilt-Hilt."

Absolutely, alcohol and water are not a very good mixture. See you in the spring.
AceOfBass 3/9/2013 2:01:26 PM Report

Sorry can't make it over to the summit.I have the peasants on the other site running around in circles over
this joke ..What does Norgoma have in common with Rock Hudson.
One was a ferry the other was a terminal fairy.
right wing 3/9/2013 2:14:01 PM Report


...that is why I love scotch, no water for the good stuff needed.
Jimssm 3/9/2013 2:16:56 PM Report


I'm sure they are going to miss you....Not
AceOfBass 3/9/2013 2:20:47 PM Report

right wing my post was on a liberal government at he time who catered ti these ethnic groups.
The Chinese wanted a special rice as did the Vietnamese.The Islamic wanted special stuff as did the Buddist Hindus.
Then you had First Nations wanting Caribou,Buffalo Then americans demanding McDonalds and burger king..
nanag 3/9/2013 2:34:10 PM Report

I have never been on an actual sail boat. If that thing started tipping to the side there would be a whole lot of "ohh ohhh ohhh" coming from poor ole Nanag. I'd be wrapped around that mast thingy in the middle with a life jacket on and one tied to each limb. :)
Jimssm 3/9/2013 2:45:25 PM Report

@ Ace...

Can you tell us the joke again ???

It's only been twice today.
right wing 3/9/2013 3:00:45 PM Report

Ace...are partaking in the "drink".
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 3:05:41 PM Report

Back from the Summit.
Lovely bunch of folks - about a dozen all together.
It is always difficult to get to chat with everyone because long tables do not allow for that.
However we have tentative plans for a Summer Summit and boat tour around St. Joe Island for the weekend of June 23rd.
That also coincides with G3 and the missus celebration of their 51st anniversary.
If you are planning to attend you might want to pick a convenient day and circle it.
I will try to arrange for Cap'n Andy Clark and his replica of the African Queen to do what we fondly call the Mariposa Belle Northern Tour.
Spaces are limited and you will need a firm reservation.
Just spit ballin' as Dubyuh used to say but I'd like to load/unload from Hilton and gather afterwards for post prandial cocktails on the deck of the legendary Tiltin' Hilton.
flyhawk25 3/9/2013 3:21:42 PM Report

My apologies to our anniversary pair.
"and the missus" is hardly the term to use for G3's bride.
This anonymity thing is limiting. That still is no excuse for that term.
I apologize to you both and look forward to celebrating with you in June.
right wing 3/9/2013 3:35:21 PM Report

What would you do?
This reality crap is going to get somebody shot.
Grump 3/9/2013 3:36:03 PM Report

rw you missed that scotch that I promissed. Met Skipper Dave today but unfortunately didn't get much time to chat as I was sitting down and across the table too far. Had a good chat with G3 and his lovely wife, Budster and Dutch Touch and her main man. My sweety Status showed up sans little black dress and many of us were truly saddened. Have to go for now.
right wing 3/9/2013 3:40:53 PM Report

Thanks anyway Grump.
Someday, perhaps.
Bill_the_Cat 3/9/2013 4:50:12 PM Report

re: St-Jules obit. Gotta love how the dog gets referenced before the kids. Classy.
statusquo 3/9/2013 5:03:27 PM Report

So I am back from the "summit"...I sneaked myself in wearing one of those novelty glasses with a big nose and mustache and was sitting close to the participants sipping on an iced tea. Skipper Dave spotted me jig was up.
I joined the group and sat there...mostly brooding and depressed as I can't get my hair to behave...split ends and such....listening to fly as he has a tendency to NEVER shut up, but he is quite the "raconteur". and "shakes" struck up a conversation about all things European and somehow the topic of tulips and Ajax Amsterdam came up. I absolutely hate tulips and I am a Juventus Turin fan! And maybe I spoke too loud or thing I know I see a bottle of "Heineken" flying my way....."Dutch Touch" was sitting diagonally from me and she threw the bottle with such furious anger at me that I didn't have the time to duck and it hit me smack on the forehead.....
I guess I had it coming.

I am was a civil and polite gathering and Gcubed's wife said something in French to me....that always gets me.
statusquo 3/9/2013 5:26:29 PM Report

Ace of whatever,

You seem really enamored with your Rock Hudson jokes.
He was gay and died of AIDS, a horrible affliction.
Shouldn't you, as a Christian, not show some compassion?
I am not religious, but from what I understand Christianity is all about being human and forgiving .....
Rock Hudson jokes weren't funny twenty years ago and sure as hell aren't funny now.
My road kill recipes pale in comparison to your obvious lack of basic human decency.

Budster 3/9/2013 5:48:01 PM Report

I enjoyed our summit today listening to lots of fun stories. It was nice to see Mr. and Mrs. Dutch Touch and chat. Quite civil in fact hope to be able to make the next one as well.
You know the difference between genious and stupid????? Genious has it's limits.
When someone introduced them selves as Brianne, the attire they had on didn't seem to ring true for some reason. The last time I met Brianne she was taller. LOL
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 5:52:08 PM Report

interesting dialogue pertaining to FN's people and their run in's with the law....Ace your comments and take on things prove whats wrong with the justice system and it's a shame individuals such as yourself are even allow to work in the system. I know someone who has been working within that system for 25 years and they often share the goinng ons in there with me. I've been truly amazed of the shennigans that tte CO's do to each other and the immates to the point where I wonder who should be really behind the bars.

Is there not a psychological test that can weed out individual such as yourself?

We will never resolve the issue on this or any other forum...this is something that only FN's people can fix. I know there has been much talk in the media in recent years about Residential Schools but what a lot of people do not understand is that when your children are taken from you when they are as young as 5 years old and sent to those schools they effectively were institutionalised just to get the Indian out of the child.

While there, they were constantly reminded that they culture was no good and evil something to be ashamed of, that spiritual beliefs and languages were in fact devil worship.

They thought our people did not have the mental capacity to amount to much so only taught our children the bare minimum - trained the men to be field hands/labourers and our women to be serverants to clean and cook for the "White" folk.

The condition in those schools were deplorable because ultimately the bottom line was money. Can you imagine where you got the bare minimum of food and are sitting there eating oatmeal mush and moldy bread while the nuns and priest sat in the next room eating roast beef, potatoes, and a dessert, all the while you can smell the aroma of that food all made by the children they were supposedly taking care much resentment do you think you would have?

This is not a blame game all I'm attempting is to provide a starting poinnt for the discussion. You need to understand where we are coming from in order to have meaningful dialogue.

Please remember that the last residential school in Canada closed in 1994...mainstream society wants Native people to be whole but the things that were stolen from us - loving parents to grow and nuture, sense of worth, these things don't come back at a snap of the fingers, it took over 100 years of this and other barriers to get our people to where we are today, so perhaps you will have a earned the right in say 100 years to look down on us if we haven't repaired the damage done to our culture and people by then....

sorry for the lenghty post...
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 5:54:14 PM Report

I recall another recipe that was rather devoid of human decency.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:01:08 PM Report

Speaking up can mean shutting up: Manning..

this article was an interesting read...more harper controlling his herd and funny that they are now willing to openly admit that the party is a remake kinda like a do over. When there was talk of the liberals doing that the cries of foul rang loudly....
Jimssm 3/9/2013 6:02:02 PM Report

@ Bill_the_Cat....

Commenting on the wording of a dead person's obituary...

Bill_the_Cat 3/9/2013 6:11:58 PM Report

yes. Catty as well.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 6:15:12 PM Report

Hi everyone. We're back from the summit too after a side trip to Sandros for dinner.
First let me say thanks to Flyhawk for arranging the summit. We all had a great time and could have talked for hours.
So nice to meet Resident, such a sweet lady.
Skipper, Mr.and Mrs.Gcubed, Shakespeare,Budster and Grump are all new friends we have made.
Then there was Statusquo and I can only say there is no other quite like Status.... but we love him anyway.
You are all special people who make the "Blue Room" so very interesting.
Jimssm 3/9/2013 6:17:10 PM Report

@ Ace

Your joke got banned on the 'other site'

You better head over there and repost it.

Niigaanis 3/9/2013 6:21:44 PM Report

all I can say wow rw that was powerful and yes they are luck someone did not pull out a gun and kill him, especially in the good ole US of A the gun toting capital of the world
Grump 3/9/2013 6:33:44 PM Report

Niigaanis You are correct that residential schools were a poorly conceived terrible idea and did a lot of damage maybe even as much damage as parents instilling in their children that Whitey is screwing them. I have run Const. jobs on various reserves and they were interesting experiences. I met a lot of great tradesmen and workers and also a lot of wastes of skin. I have a fair number of former employees that I still consider friends. That said a number of these folks have gone into business for themselves are are doing well and providing employment for fellow band members.
Wicket 3/9/2013 6:45:49 PM Report

Sorry to have missed the summit gathering, was still contemplating attending, but have been not feeling well all day and while still thinking about it, realized it was already 1 p.m. and I was still in pj's.
Seems there were only one or two that I haven't met that attended, hopefully we will meet eventually.
The next social/summit is planned for sometime in April.... hope that is not too close together for you to join everyone again, sounds like it was a good time, so repeating it early should not be a problem :) and hopefully there will be even more new faces...
statusquo 3/9/2013 7:05:29 PM Report

Certain posters have a hard time grasping the concept of mutual ignoring.

Niigaanis 3/9/2013 7:09:27 PM Report

Grump it's great that you had a good experience in our communities though I would argue the part that the parents teach their kids that "Whitey" screwed them..

The succession of governments that have failed miserably in honouring our treaties with them perhaps but for everyopne (native and non native) the government is a faceless entity therefore the oppressed see any one that is not the same as them as the enemy. I have never heard any of our people tell their chhildren that Whitey is to blame, government yes,but if that's what it takes to float your boat that is fine as well.

Perhaps a good starting point would be to research Duncan Campbell Scott - Superintendent of Indian Affairs early 1900
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 7:22:13 PM Report

I truly believe that all people no matter the colour,creed , religious belief are good people and if the true facts of these schools had been made public there would've been a moral outcry at the injustices and crimes being perpetrated on our defenseless children.

I've heard of stories were families moved closer to the Residential School to be nearer to their children.

The problen was that they would show up in our communities with the RCMP in tow to collect our children but when the time came for holidays and summer breaks it was up to the families to travel to where their children were to bring them home. If the parents could not afford to travel the distance, then the pedophiles at these institutions saw those children as cast offs and easy pickings...sad sad

I know that there was a lot of fear of our people due in large part to our being the traditional owners and had title to the land that they all so deperately wanted and the reserves were seen as a means to get the valuable resources at all cost and if that meant eradicating the Indian problem then.....
trevone 3/9/2013 7:29:32 PM Report

It seems that wherever you are Niig you are lonly as you do not usually post so much.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 7:42:26 PM Report

true trevone, I am currently away from my family and friends and am having a hard time due to in large part missing my grandchildren. Have been skype'ing with them when I can but it's just not the same as been there with them hearing and seeing their little smiling face as they call out Papa, Papa look what I'm doing.

No worries though, this is only a short term contract of three months with 11 weeks to go and in the long run it'll pay off dividends to me professionally so a little suffering to gain much
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 8:16:13 PM Report

Wicket we missed you at our gathering.
Hope you'll soon be feeling better.

Niigaanis, I hear and feel the pain in your heart and wish life could have been better for your people. It is people like you who will make a difference for their future.

BTW what does your name mean?

Wicket 3/9/2013 8:32:50 PM Report

Thanks DutchTouch, appreciate it.

Agree with you on the pain of the native families. Some of the children from the Shingwauk Home/school were integrated into Queen Elizabeth school ...sadly, they were not allowed to come to anyone's house after school, nor join in the many activities that used to take place in the school in the early evening. In the winter, the boys were allowed to go to the skating rink, my first crush was on a boy from James Bay...
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 8:36:25 PM Report

that is my spirit name and it means He who stands in Front or leads hence my need to stand in front of our most vulnerable to defend them and shield them from the intolerance as best as I can.

So there are times when I feel frustrated and lash back when I should be taking a more kinder gentler approach but.... As my elders have tried to teach me that when dealing with those who do not understand our people you are to treat them with gentleness and understanding.

Just another teaching that I need to work on but sometimes when you;ve turned the other cheek and they still hit you with the stick it's really hard not to get angry..
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 8:50:03 PM Report

A certain poster said he would no longer respond to me directly. I said it sounds good to me but I did not say I would reciprocate even though I still did not directly respond. I will still retain that prerogative however if I wish to use it.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 8:52:37 PM Report

Niigaanis thanks for the explanation of your name. It is beautiful.
There is so much pain and suffering in this world and at times we feel so helpless. All we can do is to be kind to each other no matter who we are or where we come from.
Resident 3/9/2013 8:52:53 PM Report

I enjoyed the "summit" very much. Thank you Dutch Treat for your kind words and they apply to you also!!!
Resident 3/9/2013 8:53:56 PM Report

OOPS Dutch Touch. SORRY!
shakespeare 3/9/2013 9:02:39 PM Report

"A certain poster said he would no longer respond to me directly. I said it sounds good to me but I did not say I would reciprocate even though I still did not directly respond. I will still retain that prerogative however if I wish to use it."

Gee Spelly, you sound like the UN. Just tell us what you actually mean!
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 9:04:33 PM Report

perhaps this is not needed but please do not misconstrue my sharing it is only meant to increase awareness and hopefully shed a little light on the issues and not an attempt to garner sympathy
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 9:06:54 PM Report

Shakey, I'm pretty sure the certain poster knows what I mean. No one else need know if they don't already.
DutchTouch 3/9/2013 9:08:51 PM Report

That's okay Resident. I answer to a lot of different names.

Hey Spelly how come you were a 'no show' at the summit?

My goodness this has been a busy day on this site for me. Now I must try to get my beauty sleep.

Don't forget to set your clocks/watches etc. AHEAD tonight.
Spellchecker 3/9/2013 9:16:28 PM Report

Dutch Touch, I just didn't want to make the trip into town. Besides, it's dangerous for me to get into those places without a DD. I think I'll wait for a possible session in the giant metropolis of Hilton Beach.
shakespeare 3/9/2013 9:18:27 PM Report

Nice to meet all you folks today. There was so little testosterone present, Wicket. Gee, I think that Grump was in touch with his feminine side and crocheting.

I used to lead a group seminar called "Walls and Bridges". Without meeting, it's easy to construct walls and hide behind them; meeting and talking about different things builds bridges.
Niigaanis 3/9/2013 9:43:36 PM Report

well,it's 12:20 pm here time to get out and do a small walk about, find some lunch and watch the people go by. It's been a rather pleasant day for discussion on here and perhaps we can continue the civil sharing over the coming weeks...just as long as my wife doen't see how prolific of a poster I'm becoming then the boom take care and have a good evening everyone
Wisenheimer 3/9/2013 10:35:18 PM Report

Good Lord, would you people give it a rest.
This site was to comment on topical news items.
Sounds more like "As the World Turns".
Retreaded 3/9/2013 11:45:57 PM Report

ya,,,they neeD a new column...SUMMIT MEMORIES.
nanag 3/9/2013 11:55:06 PM Report

Speaking of turning...don't forget to turn your clocks ahead kids
Wicket 3/10/2013 12:48:45 AM Report

Wisen and Retread - stick it!
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