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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Feb. 26 2013

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bounder 2/26/2013 6:34:25 AM Report

Morning all,Pamhe Wallin has paid back a whole bunch of money that she claimed just before getting audited,I wonder if you a rob a bank and did the same thing before the cops investigate you,does that count?
bounder 2/26/2013 6:35:27 AM Report

Pamela,oops.
TFinn 2/26/2013 6:43:47 AM Report

I’m sure you’re going to see a lot of Gov employee’s making sure their claims are legit now ..!
Ya they’ll make sure their asses are covered . Whether they’re legit or not ..!!
Mr. Poster 2/26/2013 7:07:32 AM Report

Wallin says she has a condo in Toronto and a condo in New York...but...mainly lives in Sask....ya right. She and Duffy think they can smooth this over.
bounder 2/26/2013 7:22:52 AM Report

This little gal also holds an OHIP card but claims Saskachewan as her home province. Nasty,nasty thief.
theprotector 2/26/2013 7:26:07 AM Report

oh please just look at the departmental heads and managers that makes this look like peanuts.
Grump 2/26/2013 7:37:15 AM Report

There is also a huge question as to if they are should be sitting in the Senate to represent the Provinces they do. I thought Mulroney was a little bent but that seemed to just be for money. This Prime Minister doesn't appear to have any limits where he will go to stay in power. Would you neo-cons remind me again what a wonderfull leader we now have or is this guy just way more adept at screwing us over?
Mr. Poster 2/26/2013 8:16:43 AM Report

Duffy and Wallin both paying back money they claim they REALLY DO NOT OWE. Who in their right mind would pay back something they thought they did not owe. This is nothing more tha a campaign by them to save their own skins. DUMP THEM.
realitycheck 2/26/2013 8:40:48 AM Report

"In regard to the difference between not guilty and dismissed, Where would acquit, like in the O.J. Simpson case, fit in? Big Brother and Right Wing, since you both "know" there is a difference, would you tell me what it is because I don't have a clue."

I asked this question on Saturday and didn't get a reply. Although I knew the opening paragraph of the story in the Sault Star said the assault charge against nurse Niki Maione was dismissed, when I dug the paper out of my yellow box I found it also said the following further down in the story: "Kukurin said because he accepts the evidence of the accused, in particular her denial of the assault, he is required to acquit her of the charge." Of the term acquit the Encarta Dictionary says, "To declare innocent, to declare officially that somebody is not guilty of a charge or accusation." Any thoughts on this?
skipper dave 2/26/2013 8:52:45 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo!
Is not paying back the money an admission of guilt? With Pam take a look at her submissions for expenses, Where is this culture of entitlement learned? Absolutely no shame at gorging at the public trough. And of course we have Robo Prime Minister backing her up.
flyhawk25 2/26/2013 9:04:45 AM Report

And I breathlessly await the argument that - well all the political parties do it.
Wonderful.
T-rat 2/26/2013 9:15:23 AM Report

Please folks. Don't raise your voices or your hackles. Afterall, we're CANADIANS. We're tolerant. We're polite. We're calm.....almost to the point it seems we've been sedated. We don't show much interest in elections anymore because we know the outcome before it starts......just more of the same old, same old. We don't do much when we find out that scumbags like Duffy and Wallin have been and will continue to screw us. We shrug and pump and pay when big oil gives us the shaft again, again and again....like they are doing right now. Because we don't think there's anything we can do about it, and we know that the same old, same old politicians that a few of us elect won't do anything about it either.

There's a pervasive apathy amongst us that results in a permissiveness that allows such as politicians to know they can get away with damned near anything with impunity.

We tsk tsk when groups like the Take Backs rally and protest and after the police break them up and cart them away, we slink back into our apathetic humdrum little ruts. We should be tsk tsking that these groups, unfortunately are not better organized, informed and led. We should be ensuring that these groups are supported and representative of more of the mainstream, not just what we see as fringes. We should all be part of these groups in some way. And I am just as guilty as any of you.

Duffy and Wallin are paying back the taxpayer's money that they took (stole) through blatant fraud, as another poster pointed out and they'll get away with it. It is robbery. And if either of them claim that they didn't understand the simple forms they were signing, maybe they're actually idiots, or just stupid or incompetent, in which case one has to ask what their qualifications are to have been appointed in the first place. The Senate will go on regardless of the fact that a majority of us want it gone, and nothing will be done about the current electoral system because we have to depend on politicians to change it.

"I'M MAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" -- a line from a great and inspiring movie but what am I going to do about it? What are you going to do about it?

right wing 2/26/2013 9:21:14 AM Report

realitycheck...

Best explanation I could find.

"By definition, both have the same meaning which is having heard all of the testimony, a judge or jury has found the defendant not guilty, or they acquitted or they set the defendant free with no further action. When there isn't enough evidence to sustain an accusation or indictment, the charges are dismissed but there is always a rub. If the prosecution asks for permission to re-present the case, the judge may agree and dismiss without prejudice meaning if more evidence becomes available later, the defendant may be brought to trial again. If the judge dismisses with prejudice, then the prosecution cannot pursue further evidence to bring the case back into court."

Another difference between being charged but not convicted (not guilt or acquitted) and charges dismissed has to do with police criminal record systems.

"The names of persons who have been charged but never convicted cannot be accessed from the CPIC database, except in cases in which a discharge has been granted. Even though discharges are not considered convictions, records of discharged offenses are maintained by CPIC for a limited time."

I hope this helps realitycheck...
redranger 2/26/2013 9:48:25 AM Report

RW ..I am still trying to pin you down.
You went to Korah in early '70's. Did you take any G13 math? Were you a wrestler?
Nats85 2/26/2013 10:27:01 AM Report

? I'm confused by this page....is this intended for more debate and bickering ASIDE from the comments space below certain stories? ...why?
Voiceofreason 2/26/2013 10:38:59 AM Report

Oh Mr. Obama,

You plan to ban "assault weapons" in hope of a safer america. So when a Ruger 10/22 is used in a school shooting, are you going to ban them too?

What a terrible policy on gun control. The only thing that has ever worked somewhat was the licensing system we have in place, and even then it's full of holes.
skipper dave 2/26/2013 10:43:10 AM Report

A statement was issued this past week that banks will have to regain the trust of the people - Laughable - why? the number of Politicians that exude integrity escapes me, no it doesn't - One or two maybe. A CBC reporter cornered Senator Romeo Dallaire (he is one of them) and asked if he thought Pam's submitted expenses were a bit excessive. He laughed and said "you gotta be kidding me". So is Harper just hoping this goes away?
flyhawk25 2/26/2013 10:43:35 AM Report

So why is our 'murder by gun' rate lower than the US?
skipper dave 2/26/2013 10:46:07 AM Report

Voice of Reason - If I pleaded with you to give up your guns to save the lives of children would you cry foul?
skipper dave 2/26/2013 10:49:11 AM Report

Redranger show up at the Summit and you can meet him (rw) face to face. Beware he has little tolerance for teachers.
right wing 2/26/2013 11:04:34 AM Report

redranger

Korah's wrestling team ruled the city!

I was a wrestler but just with the girls in the hay at Sadie Hawkins dance night.
The girl usually won.

;)

I loved the tech courses (which warranted a locker on the first floor) and of course took all the required courses.
Had a keen interest in physics and chemistry.
You may remember some of the teachers from the 1st floor...Mr Brodie, Kenny, Tachaberry (a.k.a. skates), Dedman, McMillan, Durica (a.k.a. Joe Deek), Wright, Schwemller, Matthews and the crazy go-cart driver Corelli.
Sorry if I butchered any of the names.
They were all great teachers and really cool guys back then.
...I said early 70's?...I started in 74, I suppose that qualifies.
right wing 2/26/2013 11:17:02 AM Report

skipper dave

Actually I got along very well with all of my teachers.

Most of them met the following criteria.

1. They could actually teach.
2. They could answer a question without belittling you.
3. Their opinion was not the only one in the room.
4. They opened themselves up and let you see the real person.

One of my English teachers was the best.
He would start hot debates in class and just let things go.
He always encouraged thinking outside of the box, questioning everything, never be afraid to put forth your opinions and ideas...and be an individual.
He never knew the monster he created....

;)
mallet 2/26/2013 11:24:54 AM Report

Flyhawk25..

Maybe we do not have that many guns out there, hand guns still have to be registered, don't forget, they only removed shotguns and rifles from the list, and its pretty hard to walk down the street with a rifle/shotgun without somebody noticing. Long gun vs Pistol murders I think you will find that pistols of one sort or another come out on top...


Skipper Dave..

I do not normally disagree with you to any great extent but when you state Dallaire has integrety I regret I do. Any General of the Army who stands by and watches Genocide being committed and does nothing, except asks for permission to do something, when you have troops with guns, has no standing where honour is concerned. You saw murder being committed, you would stand by asking people "what shall I do" I would not rate you very high in my book.
I am sorry, but that person is lower than a snakes belly, in my opinion. I know he was there under U N mandate, but to do nothing, NO!
Just Curious 2/26/2013 11:47:12 AM Report

Mallet,as you said to Skipper ,I rarely disagree with you but in this instance I will. Delaire was there with a PEACEKEEPING force and badly out gunned and under strict orders. To do anything but watch,like it or not,would quite likely have caused his entire command to be wiped out and his career abruptly ended had he lived thru it.The whole thing drove him crazy for a bit because he was totally powerless to intervene and to try to was expressly forbidden. Peacekeepers are there to watch and that's all. You may spout off about what you would have done and what should have been done but the fact of the matter is,they were under strict orders NOT to intervene,just watch...No matter what,just watch and make reports. I really think it's a crock,myself. If you want to keep the peace,bring more and bigger guns,not send in a bunch of unarmed people to just sit on their hands ...
T-rat 2/26/2013 11:53:59 AM Report

Mallet: I really hope you're kidding because if not, you're aiming in the wrong direction!! Dallaire has been to hell and back over this African nightmare episode, and, completely against his better judgement, he obeyed his superiors - the U.N. Take aim at them if you want to spout. Dallaire will bear that burden for the rest of his life. Imagine if military officers, police officers all decided, "to hell with orders. I'm gonna do it my way". Then, following your logic, if the officers can disobey orders, how can you fault the men who follow them if they decide, by example to disobey the officers. Ah, you Brits, stiff upper lip and all...charge of the Light Brigade.......into the valley of death.
BIG BROTHER 2/26/2013 12:12:18 PM Report

If anyone deserves a Senate seat, it would be Dallaire. He has seen what hell looks like; no person should have to have gone through what that man did!!

While Duffy was busy being the lackey for the Cons, Dallaire was standing on the front lines; who knows where Brazeau was, but in a house of ill repute would be a possibility.
redranger 2/26/2013 12:14:04 PM Report

RW
all those techies that you mentioned were my good friends. I was on the 3rd floor.
seriously 2/26/2013 12:23:12 PM Report

WHOO HOO for KORAH - - - I went there also. Just wasn't into sports. But I definately snowmobiled to school. Won fishing tourney's too. Too much political ramble here...... I'D RATHER BE ICE FISHING (inland)... OK BYE
theprotector 2/26/2013 1:02:54 PM Report

so he watched people die....that makes him deservant of a senator position? Given him a medal and a pat on the back and thank him for doing his job, send him on his way. You dont see other the others who witnessed the all the death and destruction, who were also following orders gettng a senate seat do you?
mallet 2/26/2013 1:03:57 PM Report

J.C. T rat, Big Bro..

"Peacekeeping" I often wonder why they call what they send armed troops on these so called missions. Police Officers are Peace Officers and if you want to call a mission Peacekeeping send them, not troops. "I was obeying orders" the Nazis best defence in what atrocities they committed, if they had disobeyed those orders would they have been wrong? From what accounts I have seen most of the murders were committed by machette and axe wielding thugs, and as all the gun haters would agree small arms trumps knives and axes any time. There are times when orders should be ignored and IMO this was one of them, if the person feels guilt or shame over his decision that tells you he knew what should have been done, and he did not do it!
skipper dave 2/26/2013 1:17:08 PM Report

Romeo Dallaire - gentlemen we are speaking of one of Canada's most beloved humanitarians. He was appointed to the Senate by Paul Martin. the Rwanda genocide issue almost destroyed the man. He was also one of the most respected Generals ever produced by our armed forces. Sorry guys, you are shooting from the hip on this one. take some time to read his bio.
Just Curious 2/26/2013 1:27:51 PM Report

Couldn't do it,Mallet,and even if he had tried his troops would have been gone in minutes and for what.You weren't here and neither was I so we are in a poor position to judge.People with knives and macheties kill thousands of people all over africa every year. The weapon is not important,the fanatic holding it is what counts. Your stiff upper lip british attitude is great when you are in your armchair,the guy on the front line has to make the decision. He didn't like it but he did it. Otherwise ,we have anarchy..I commend him for having the ability for staying the course even tho he could have done what you reccommend and killed a whole bunch of others and put the world on a war footing...
theprotector 2/26/2013 1:52:44 PM Report

two sides to every coin
AceOfBass 2/26/2013 1:54:06 PM Report

Mallet, General Dalaire is a well respected man.He had a job to do in Rwanda he advised UN HQ about the situation and received zero support.He lost some of his men to the butchers and was out manned and outgunned.

Knowing the UN they had weapons with no breach blogs or ammunition and strict orders to stand down.

The UN is a joke and if blame is to be made it is with the United Nations for not responding to General Dalaires pleas for backup.

theprotector 2/26/2013 2:05:18 PM Report

the belgians may think differently.
mallet 2/26/2013 2:07:00 PM Report

J C.

Agreed, I was not there, and troops under his cammand were not Canadian or British, and prehaps this was a reason also. As far as the armchair goes, I have been there and done that in various parts of the B E and places we had defence agreements with, but thats another story. I think it is time for the U N to either have its own armed forces or to butt out of country's business for what happens within its own borders. We may or may not have seen the so called "Arab Spring" bring about so many deaths and destruction and the continuing slaughter of innocents in Syria if the U N had not intervened in Libya. Again though that's another topic..
Voiceofreason 2/26/2013 2:07:16 PM Report

skip, if you asked me that question I would ask you, "If I asked you to arm more people to save more children's lives, would you cry foul?"

Fly, for quite a few reasons. First, they have more murders in general...Partly to do with drugs and partly to do with poverty. The other part has to do with social decay. Mass shootings didn't start until the last 30 years and guns were readily available well before these occurrences.

Where your statistics also fall short is that the amount of deaths by shooting includes the amount of people shot by police, justifiable homicides (yes, there are such things called self defense) and then plain old recidivistic criminals killing each other.

To claim Canada isn't decaying socially would be ignorant but we have far less poverty and far less citizens who fall into that category. Poverty equates to criminal behavior.

Another thing to keep in mind; People who stop mass killings from occurring don't get nearly as much publicity. There's no news quite like bad news, is there?
T-rat 2/26/2013 2:29:42 PM Report

Wow, between Mallet and theprotector what a crapload of twisted logic. How in hell did 'nazis' get into this discussion? As for theprotector, Dallaire wasn't appointed to the senate because he watched people being butchered. What an ignorant thought! Read his bio. You actually might learn something about the man. That's the other side of the 'coin' you refer to.
theprotector 2/26/2013 2:39:22 PM Report

All I am saying is there are other countries in the world that hold him (possibily rightfully so) responsible for sending 10 belgian armed forces to their death along with others. He is not a hero, not by far, he made some bad decesions over there that cost lives and you guys want to hold up as a hero? Sure use the UN as a scapegoat and blame them for the direction the genocide took. Look at the facts and forget about hindsight bias. All the work he is trying to do now wont right the wrongs of the past.
mallet 2/26/2013 2:48:45 PM Report

T Rat.

I wasn't going to respond, but what the heck. First the "Nazis" came in because of the "Obeying Orders" a poster said thats all he was doing, fine, but so were the Nazis, that was their defence. Dallaire was appointed to the Senate because he was a Liberal by a Liberal P M.. All this started by someone saying he was an Honourable Person. I say different because of his record of what he did or rather did not do, thats all.
Just Curious 2/26/2013 3:08:15 PM Report

Mallet,you have a warped idea of honour. Not all of us can be Churchill(or afford to drink like he did). You do what you have to do at the moment. Dalaire obeyed orders,and for that he deserves everything he is getting,way more so than Wallin,Duffy or most of the ones feeding at the trough.To say that he could have done otherwise is fine,but unless you were there you are in no position to judge,I don't care where you worked. Working somewhere is not the same as having hundreds of lives in your hands and no back-up when you screw up.I'm sure Grump will agree with me in that respect.I wasn't there,neither were you,so let history be the judge. The man did more than most of us can only dream about,and he has nightmares about it to this day...
cathyh 2/26/2013 3:19:00 PM Report

Mallet: Unfortunately you are judging the man by what he was not able to do against what he did do and he did so with great skill. You're reasoning is very, very flawed.
Voiceofreason 2/26/2013 3:22:41 PM Report

mallet, we have at least 30+ million guns in canada, but the exact number isnt known because of illegal imports and guns that were never registered in the first place.

The pistol registry has been in place since 1934 and we saw gun crime rise and fall dramatically in that time. Just another nail in the coffin as to why the registry has and never will work.
T-rat 2/26/2013 3:34:23 PM Report

Quite obviously certain opinions aren't going to be changed here regardless of what's being said but, what the hell.

theprotector claims that Dallaire sent 10 Belgian soldiers to their death, that he "made bad decisions that cost lives". He ignores the fact that it actually was the UN that gave the explicit order that the UN force under Dallaire was NOT TO INTERVENE! What is it about that command that is so difficult to understand? The UN is complicit in giving an order about a situation of which they were completely ignorant.

Know as well that Hutus and Tutsis have been massacring each other for generations. And what Dallaire and his command witnessed was one incident, albeit still very bloody. And in fact similar massacres were taking place all over Rwanda. Had he intervened I have no doubt that he and every Belgian soldier under his command would also have been massacred. And you, "theprotector" would still be blaming him for making bad decisions that cost lives!

As to Mallet, my Superior neighbour, the word nazis doesn't even belong in this discussion. For Dallaire to follow orders not to take action that would certainly result in killing people is one hell of a lot different than using the nazis' excuse that you were only following orders after you had in fact been actively involved in the deaths of millions of innocent people. You may disagree with the many who think of Dallaire as an honourable man but then you probably think that British Brig. Gen. Reginald Dyer was an honourable man for giving the order that would teach those Indians "a moral lesson."
mallet 2/26/2013 3:45:13 PM Report

J C. and Cathy H..

J.C. just FYI I served in H M Services, RAFR, if you must know, as well as working in other countries after I left the services, and came to Canada. If an army commander stands and watches as men, women and are butchered is your idea of a hero, fine, just isn't mine. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities...
cathyh 2/26/2013 3:47:15 PM Report

I commend you for your service Mallet. I still think you are very flawed in your reasoning about the Honourable Mr. Dallaire.
right wing 2/26/2013 3:57:35 PM Report

"Sure use the UN as a scapegoat and blame them for the direction the genocide took."

You cannot use the UN as a scapegoat, you can use it as a goat or a filthy den filled with mostly thieves but not a scapegoat.
realitycheck 2/26/2013 4:03:21 PM Report

"I wasn't going to respond, but what the heck. First the "Nazis" came in because of the "Obeying Orders" a poster said thats all he was doing, fine, but so were the Nazis, that was their defence."

mallet:
The point you are trying to make goes nowhere because the Nazis who said they were obeying orders were on the side of those committing the butchery. Dallaire was on the side of those who wanted to prevent it. He was denied the forces required to do the job and it would have caused the death of all he commanded if he had pushed on with what he had. The 10 Belgians would have been small potatoes compared to that disaster. He may have made mistakes but he came out a hero. Where do you think you would fit in with the role you played during a trying time?

right wing 2/26/2013 4:06:04 PM Report

redranger

Sadly, as you know, some of those good names are no longer with us.

Third floor and a teacher.
So that would make you a Math, English, Science, Biology or Chemistry teacher...or a combination of some of the above.
I believe you asked me about grade 13 math so I'm guessing you taught math
I had McWilliams, Turco (he went to be the top dog)...and I forget the other guy...hey I'm going to have to pull one of my year books out and blow the dust off.
Third floor...Hmmmm, bet I could narrow you down.
Grace 2/26/2013 4:15:04 PM Report

For Right Wing...
'Right to be Stupid' is a Right for All Americans, John Kerry Tells Berlin Students

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/right-to-be-stupid-is-a-right-for-all-americans-john-kerry-tells-berlin-students-90844/#g4bVjivHTABqc055.99
T-rat 2/26/2013 4:20:55 PM Report

Sorry rw: don't think your little slight of 'phrase' is going to get anybody to bite. I haven't read anywhere on here that anybody blames the UN for the direction that the genocide took. Those are your words. The genocide didn't need direction -- it knew where it was heading and it was going to happen with or without the UN.

I just hate to see an honourable man being so unfairly and unjustly maligned.
right wing 2/26/2013 4:26:36 PM Report

T-rat

I was quoting theprotector, the one with the 6th sense...so to speak.
right wing 2/26/2013 4:30:20 PM Report

Grace

How can you argue with that.
Kerry is living proof of the right to be stupid.
T-rat 2/26/2013 5:04:35 PM Report

rw: my bad. You're 'right', theprotetor did say that. I've really got to be more attentive. And my bad for dropping the 'e' in sleight. It won't happen again.

I read the Kerry headline this morning. If I'd laid a bet on how long it would have taken for you or Grace to post, I would have lost.....badly. Way too easy when you're handed gems like that!!
right wing 2/26/2013 6:21:46 PM Report

T-rat

No problem, a mistake is a mistake...

You are correct a "gift" such as the one Kerry gave up is way to hard to pass.
Grump 2/26/2013 6:22:52 PM Report

T-rat when you speak of gems like that, were you speaking of Grace and rw.? LMAO.
BIG BROTHER 2/26/2013 6:48:35 PM Report

Dubya was obvious proof that not only is it OK for Americans to be stupid; really stupid can actually aspire to the Presidency!!
Grump 2/26/2013 6:51:57 PM Report

Big Brother and really ,really, really stupid can become POTUS. Damn I'm having a good time ce soir.
right wing 2/26/2013 6:58:18 PM Report

"Damn I'm having a good time ce soir."

Well you know what they say Grump...stupid is as stupid does.

right wing 2/26/2013 6:58:56 PM Report

...and you and big bro really does!
statusquo 2/26/2013 8:22:36 PM Report

rw,

You seem a bit under the weather.

Did you lose another bet by chance?...if so, why the long face...you should be used to it by now....you're good at it.

C'mon....pick yourself up already...after all...aren't you the plumber that dismissed Darwin?
statusquo 2/26/2013 8:30:38 PM Report

On another topic....


Asparagus!

Eat lots of it...very good for you.
T-rat 2/26/2013 9:13:08 PM Report

No Grump. Reference to Grace and rw was not referring to gems but rather jewels......in the rough, of course.
flyhawk25 2/26/2013 9:15:40 PM Report

SQ...ahhh. At last
The absurd voice of cyber reason.
The thirty minute time delay was for an asparagus search on Wikipedia or some desperate Goggling.
Nothing drives mouth breathers mad like intentioned nonlinear thinking.
Bless you.
trevone 2/26/2013 11:30:57 PM Report

asparagus makes your pee smell funny and if you pee in the ocean it will draw fish to you, a trick used by ancient fishermen.
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