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skipper dave 2/24/2013 5:34:05 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo!
rw - I'll type real slow so try to listen, SAH - All of my criticisms are aimed at the "system" not the people! my criticism of the building are just that, not of the people! My information comes from being a patient there and listening to the nurses and Doctors who work there. Now if you must rant and rave today, maybe another trip to your mountain top might be in order. To the rest happy Daytona day.
Good morning sweet Soo!
rw - I'll type real slow so try to listen, SAH - All of my criticisms are aimed at the "system" not the people! my criticism of the building are just that, not of the people! My information comes from being a patient there and listening to the nurses and Doctors who work there. Now if you must rant and rave today, maybe another trip to your mountain top might be in order. To the rest happy Daytona day.
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 7:26:44 AM Report
Good morning.It might be a good idea for a Winter Summit to check on how we all survived the winter.
Saturday March 9 after 1:00 at the Pub at the Water Tower Inn.
It is centrally located for folks from all areas,handicapped accessible,bright and open and I happen to know the kid in the kitchen.
I hope that we can meet face to face and solve all the big problems.
Or not.
Good morning.It might be a good idea for a Winter Summit to check on how we all survived the winter.
Saturday March 9 after 1:00 at the Pub at the Water Tower Inn.
It is centrally located for folks from all areas,handicapped accessible,bright and open and I happen to know the kid in the kitchen.
I hope that we can meet face to face and solve all the big problems.
Or not.
statusquo 2/24/2013 7:43:34 AM Report
Be careful skipper, rw tends to be a tad sensitive as of late.....if you type slower he might even call you a "blowhard asshole"...not my words...his.
According to rw the Hospital is doing a great job with the resources available and the reason it's not perfect is because of our system of "socialist" healthcare, as googled and plagiarized as usual from some right wing blog.
Fact is, the Sault is too small a city to justify a hospital of this size.
They try to please everybody with services that should be done elsewhere for cost reasons. In the long run it would have been cheaper for the province to increase travel grants to patients than building and maintaining this Taj Mahal.
The consequence is cost cutting( i.e front line personnel like nurses) that are overworked as it is, but management gets paid the "equivalent remuneration that is standard for the rest of the province".....bullshit! The Sault ain't the rest of the province. If Gagnon and the rest of the golden trough gang don't like 80K...well...say I'll give him 90K but no car allowance, a Hyundai should not be so expensive to maintain, then he can go and find a job in Southern Ontario that will pay him the what?... almost 300k he makes....good luck buddy! I'll find a night shift manager at Tim Hortons for 40k that will due just as shitty a job as he does for a fraction of what we pay these people now. And with the savings we could hire a couple more nurses and an extra janitor.
Be careful skipper, rw tends to be a tad sensitive as of late.....if you type slower he might even call you a "blowhard asshole"...not my words...his.
According to rw the Hospital is doing a great job with the resources available and the reason it's not perfect is because of our system of "socialist" healthcare, as googled and plagiarized as usual from some right wing blog.
Fact is, the Sault is too small a city to justify a hospital of this size.
They try to please everybody with services that should be done elsewhere for cost reasons. In the long run it would have been cheaper for the province to increase travel grants to patients than building and maintaining this Taj Mahal.
The consequence is cost cutting( i.e front line personnel like nurses) that are overworked as it is, but management gets paid the "equivalent remuneration that is standard for the rest of the province".....bullshit! The Sault ain't the rest of the province. If Gagnon and the rest of the golden trough gang don't like 80K...well...say I'll give him 90K but no car allowance, a Hyundai should not be so expensive to maintain, then he can go and find a job in Southern Ontario that will pay him the what?... almost 300k he makes....good luck buddy! I'll find a night shift manager at Tim Hortons for 40k that will due just as shitty a job as he does for a fraction of what we pay these people now. And with the savings we could hire a couple more nurses and an extra janitor.
Grump 2/24/2013 8:05:00 AM Report
Good morning to three of my favorite guys and everyone. I hope someone forwarded my e-mail on Nascar cost cutting to Skipper as it would help take the rw angst away some. That said I'm not sure the world can handle three bad boys like your gang all in one place but carry on and have a good time. Have a great day all.
Good morning to three of my favorite guys and everyone. I hope someone forwarded my e-mail on Nascar cost cutting to Skipper as it would help take the rw angst away some. That said I'm not sure the world can handle three bad boys like your gang all in one place but carry on and have a good time. Have a great day all.
Mr. Poster 2/24/2013 8:22:52 AM Report
Here we are again...on the correct side of the green grass.Enjoy our short life.
Here we are again...on the correct side of the green grass.Enjoy our short life.
statusquo 2/24/2013 8:29:15 AM Report
Mr Poster....
Where do you live??
I won't see my grass for another two months!
Mr Poster....
Where do you live??
I won't see my grass for another two months!
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 8:54:47 AM Report
SQ... "a tad sensitive of late"?
That's like saying that Amelia Earhart's plane had a 'bit of a navigational problem'. Or Liberace 'was a bit flamboyant'.
Try crazy wild-eyed-frothing.
I fully expect a rant over a Summit at the Water Tower.
I write something completely supported by experience and suffer the wrath of Dr. No.
The days of reasoned discussion on this site end whenever our resident expert on everything returns from exile with another case of Social Affective Disorder.
Terminally s-a-d.
SQ... "a tad sensitive of late"?
That's like saying that Amelia Earhart's plane had a 'bit of a navigational problem'. Or Liberace 'was a bit flamboyant'.
Try crazy wild-eyed-frothing.
I fully expect a rant over a Summit at the Water Tower.
I write something completely supported by experience and suffer the wrath of Dr. No.
The days of reasoned discussion on this site end whenever our resident expert on everything returns from exile with another case of Social Affective Disorder.
Terminally s-a-d.
skipper dave 2/24/2013 9:33:24 AM Report
In all fairness to "Are Dubya" all this ranting, raving and frothing at the mouth may very well be symptoms of Rabies. I've seen it in the movies, "old yeller" I believe. Um, any you guys got a gun?
March Summit - Fly excellent, you could not have picked a better time in my Chemo cycle. That's the last weekend before my next cycle and I'm usually in top form by then - sweet!
In all fairness to "Are Dubya" all this ranting, raving and frothing at the mouth may very well be symptoms of Rabies. I've seen it in the movies, "old yeller" I believe. Um, any you guys got a gun?
March Summit - Fly excellent, you could not have picked a better time in my Chemo cycle. That's the last weekend before my next cycle and I'm usually in top form by then - sweet!
Snobank 2/24/2013 9:33:31 AM Report
Wow! You guys really need rw. He hasn't said a word today and yet you are self-rightously calling him out. No wonder he arrives angry. Like the opposite poles of a magnet you are opposites that couldn't exist without each other.
Wow! You guys really need rw. He hasn't said a word today and yet you are self-rightously calling him out. No wonder he arrives angry. Like the opposite poles of a magnet you are opposites that couldn't exist without each other.
bignickel 2/24/2013 9:42:41 AM Report
This is for Skipper Dave whom I Don't know personally but do enjoy his posts here.
I found this quote on another site:
"The Gods do not deduct from man's allotted time on Earth, those hours spent in sailing"
- The Phoenicians
This is for Skipper Dave whom I Don't know personally but do enjoy his posts here.
I found this quote on another site:
"The Gods do not deduct from man's allotted time on Earth, those hours spent in sailing"
- The Phoenicians
TFinn 2/24/2013 9:43:50 AM Report
statusquo 2/24/2013 7:43:34 AM
The SAH is NO Taj Mahal by any means. The people that were in the planning stages on how this “corridor” should have been built missed the mark by a light year. It is not, patient, doctor, nurse or visitor friendly. The problem is simple, it is too stretched out . There are elevators now, it would not have cost any more dollars at the time it was built to build up, not out. Actually the costs would have been considerably less. All activities and procedures would taken far less steps thus more efficient . Just because there was a huge plot of land shouldn’t have been the criteria for the layout. There also should have been a covered car parking garage as well, with multiple levels and attached to the main hospital. Snow removal would have been reduced by 90% and shorter snow and ice free walks to enter or visit. Especially in our climate. It’s not as if they would have had to import any steel ..right ..? It was completely an over thought project and probably way too many people making final decisions. Just my opinion based on other large hospitals and buildings I have visited.! Otherwise ya’ll have a nice sunny day ..!!
statusquo 2/24/2013 7:43:34 AM
The SAH is NO Taj Mahal by any means. The people that were in the planning stages on how this “corridor” should have been built missed the mark by a light year. It is not, patient, doctor, nurse or visitor friendly. The problem is simple, it is too stretched out . There are elevators now, it would not have cost any more dollars at the time it was built to build up, not out. Actually the costs would have been considerably less. All activities and procedures would taken far less steps thus more efficient . Just because there was a huge plot of land shouldn’t have been the criteria for the layout. There also should have been a covered car parking garage as well, with multiple levels and attached to the main hospital. Snow removal would have been reduced by 90% and shorter snow and ice free walks to enter or visit. Especially in our climate. It’s not as if they would have had to import any steel ..right ..? It was completely an over thought project and probably way too many people making final decisions. Just my opinion based on other large hospitals and buildings I have visited.! Otherwise ya’ll have a nice sunny day ..!!
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 9:59:06 AM Report
Can anyone explain to me about yesterday's car crash that was televised in every form for the last day?
What would possess anyone to sit that close to cars going so fast and then appear surprised when there is a collision and spectators get maimed and the drivers walk away?
"I'm so happy yo-all safe home from the track Skeeter."
"Well bless you darlin'. It was sumthin to watch. Good ol' boy jes down from me got wacked in the noggin with a flyin' piston. I almost grabbed it to take back but Jim Buck from East Oilville beat me to it.Sez it still had bits of hair and stuff on it."
Spelly - can you explain this fixation with racing?
Can anyone explain to me about yesterday's car crash that was televised in every form for the last day?
What would possess anyone to sit that close to cars going so fast and then appear surprised when there is a collision and spectators get maimed and the drivers walk away?
"I'm so happy yo-all safe home from the track Skeeter."
"Well bless you darlin'. It was sumthin to watch. Good ol' boy jes down from me got wacked in the noggin with a flyin' piston. I almost grabbed it to take back but Jim Buck from East Oilville beat me to it.Sez it still had bits of hair and stuff on it."
Spelly - can you explain this fixation with racing?
Spellchecker 2/24/2013 10:10:43 AM Report
No, actually I can't. I rarely stay for the whole race. I only go to pick a driver to win and have a little camaraderie. You folks just think I am enamoured by it. There are many misconceptions in here.
No, actually I can't. I rarely stay for the whole race. I only go to pick a driver to win and have a little camaraderie. You folks just think I am enamoured by it. There are many misconceptions in here.
Wisenheimer 2/24/2013 10:15:19 AM Report
They did it to bump up the ratings for the "500". Danica could have a wardrobe malfunction. Yippy ky yay!
They did it to bump up the ratings for the "500". Danica could have a wardrobe malfunction. Yippy ky yay!
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 10:18:09 AM Report
So I guess skipper dave, flyhawk25, statusquo, and TFinn's "contribution" to the Sault Area Hopital photo op is to lean back in their armchairs and quaterback a new and improved hospital CONSTRUCTION plan!
A tad late boys.
What exactly, may I ask, are you DOING to make the current hospital situation better?
Perhaps you View Room geniuses can use your March 9 Summit to brainstorm ONE THING you can DO to help improve the current situation at the Hospial. Or you can continue to laze back in your armchairs and throw hospital Hail Marys out into the e-ther.
Your choice.
So I guess skipper dave, flyhawk25, statusquo, and TFinn's "contribution" to the Sault Area Hopital photo op is to lean back in their armchairs and quaterback a new and improved hospital CONSTRUCTION plan!
A tad late boys.
What exactly, may I ask, are you DOING to make the current hospital situation better?
Perhaps you View Room geniuses can use your March 9 Summit to brainstorm ONE THING you can DO to help improve the current situation at the Hospial. Or you can continue to laze back in your armchairs and throw hospital Hail Marys out into the e-ther.
Your choice.
Spellchecker 2/24/2013 10:18:27 AM Report
I realize it was my own fault for fostering it with my YEE Hah, NASCAR Sunday but that was just to get you going. That kind of stuff works both ways.
I realize it was my own fault for fostering it with my YEE Hah, NASCAR Sunday but that was just to get you going. That kind of stuff works both ways.
DutchTouch 2/24/2013 10:20:24 AM Report
re: B.C. Avalanche Victim's Body Recovered.
Anyone who knowingly goes out of bounds on dangerous ski slopes and inadvertently puts the lives of rescuers
on line deserves very little sympathy.
They never seem to learn. All they think about is their own excitement and to hell with the consequences.
re: B.C. Avalanche Victim's Body Recovered.
Anyone who knowingly goes out of bounds on dangerous ski slopes and inadvertently puts the lives of rescuers
on line deserves very little sympathy.
They never seem to learn. All they think about is their own excitement and to hell with the consequences.
66cherokee 2/24/2013 10:25:17 AM Report
TFinn I agree with you. This hospital is stretched out. For one thing the main entrance is such a wasted area. I guess they wanted that WOW EFFECT. You have to heat it in the winter, cool it in the summer, and the seating is horrible. We are an aging society, and walking on and on and on and on in the corridors is horrible. If you are not on oxygen when you get to the hospital, you will be by the time you get to your destination in there(tongue in cheek). It is a beautiful building, but we just needed a good solid hospital, not a showcase.
TFinn I agree with you. This hospital is stretched out. For one thing the main entrance is such a wasted area. I guess they wanted that WOW EFFECT. You have to heat it in the winter, cool it in the summer, and the seating is horrible. We are an aging society, and walking on and on and on and on in the corridors is horrible. If you are not on oxygen when you get to the hospital, you will be by the time you get to your destination in there(tongue in cheek). It is a beautiful building, but we just needed a good solid hospital, not a showcase.
redranger 2/24/2013 10:29:26 AM Report
Hello race fans. It is a beautiful day in Orlando...which is close enough to Daytona for me. I had to pass along this quote from the Orlando Sentinel.
"Race fans, I had inferred from my one trip to the Brickyard 400, fell into one of two categories; tattooed, shirtless, sewer-mouthed drunks and their husbands"
Dave, in Australia, horse races are run clockwise rather than ccw.
Hello race fans. It is a beautiful day in Orlando...which is close enough to Daytona for me. I had to pass along this quote from the Orlando Sentinel.
"Race fans, I had inferred from my one trip to the Brickyard 400, fell into one of two categories; tattooed, shirtless, sewer-mouthed drunks and their husbands"
Dave, in Australia, horse races are run clockwise rather than ccw.
mallet 2/24/2013 10:44:24 AM Report
Earnest Raymond...
Many people did try to get things done differently, however many wanted a "new" facility. Now having got it, something supposedly "hi-tech" why does it need so many administrators. The is a CEO, a CAO, a CFO, then various VP's and Managers, and then there's a Hospital Board that no doubt has a hand in the pie. Do not forget that there are mortgage costs and maintenance costs all coming out of its funding allotment. I said at the time it would have been more sensible to refurbish the old site, but it had to be new, and now we pay the costs for that idea!!
Earnest Raymond...
Many people did try to get things done differently, however many wanted a "new" facility. Now having got it, something supposedly "hi-tech" why does it need so many administrators. The is a CEO, a CAO, a CFO, then various VP's and Managers, and then there's a Hospital Board that no doubt has a hand in the pie. Do not forget that there are mortgage costs and maintenance costs all coming out of its funding allotment. I said at the time it would have been more sensible to refurbish the old site, but it had to be new, and now we pay the costs for that idea!!
right wing 2/24/2013 10:57:18 AM Report
Snobank
I am honored as always.
The Apple Dumpling Gang is mentally harmless.
They build each other up with their flamboyant postings, writing about how I am "crazy wild-eyed-frothing".
It gives me a great chuckle when I read stuff like that.
..."self-rightously" is a good descriptive for this gang, their opinion is "golden" don't ya know, it was their experience!!!!...so it is the way things are...they carry a wide brush...and how dare you have an opposing opinion or experience.
Their "universe" is small.
They have idealist views, and a need to impose and make others believe that their "universe" is the better one.
They will usually dislike you if you don't buy into that.
...and they really, really, dislike me...a fact that gives me great comfort.
Snobank
I am honored as always.
The Apple Dumpling Gang is mentally harmless.
They build each other up with their flamboyant postings, writing about how I am "crazy wild-eyed-frothing".
It gives me a great chuckle when I read stuff like that.
..."self-rightously" is a good descriptive for this gang, their opinion is "golden" don't ya know, it was their experience!!!!...so it is the way things are...they carry a wide brush...and how dare you have an opposing opinion or experience.
Their "universe" is small.
They have idealist views, and a need to impose and make others believe that their "universe" is the better one.
They will usually dislike you if you don't buy into that.
...and they really, really, dislike me...a fact that gives me great comfort.
statusquo 2/24/2013 11:07:16 AM Report
".and they really, really, dislike me...a fact that gives me great comfort."
Au contraire, mon ami!
You are the tea for my crumpets.
".and they really, really, dislike me...a fact that gives me great comfort."
Au contraire, mon ami!
You are the tea for my crumpets.
Big Bad Bob 2/24/2013 11:21:46 AM Report
Speaking of "small universes" : Obama is a dirty rat fink, repeated ad nauseam. Is there any need to specify whose universe that is?
Speaking of "small universes" : Obama is a dirty rat fink, repeated ad nauseam. Is there any need to specify whose universe that is?
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 11:22:15 AM Report
A valliant effort made by our fiscally responsible friends mallet, but didn't you know that brand new ranch-style hospitals are the seedlings from which mighty Environment Ministerial careers grow? "I'll get my cabinet post come hospital or high water". Patient Schmatient. Taxpayer Schmaxpayer. Doctor Schmoctor.
Perhaps you and your fiscally responsible friends should lobby the Hospital Board of Directors to drastically scale down the exectuive alphabet mallet :)
And be LOUD about it.
As you well know, that Hospital Board is about as closed a shop as they come.
A valliant effort made by our fiscally responsible friends mallet, but didn't you know that brand new ranch-style hospitals are the seedlings from which mighty Environment Ministerial careers grow? "I'll get my cabinet post come hospital or high water". Patient Schmatient. Taxpayer Schmaxpayer. Doctor Schmoctor.
Perhaps you and your fiscally responsible friends should lobby the Hospital Board of Directors to drastically scale down the exectuive alphabet mallet :)
And be LOUD about it.
As you well know, that Hospital Board is about as closed a shop as they come.
skipper dave 2/24/2013 11:26:18 AM Report
Ernest Raymond - Put away the pulpit you don't wear it well.
Ernest Raymond - Put away the pulpit you don't wear it well.
BIG BROTHER 2/24/2013 11:29:43 AM Report
mallet,
I'm totally with you on that one. If the cleaning of the old hospitals had been kept up, it wouldn't have eventually looked so 3rd. worldly. And as far as new tech is concerned, we seem to be sending patients who may require such, out of town for those specialized services.
Let's not forget the hidden cost of maintaining the old hospitals. Heat, lights, roof, security costs, etc. At least until some angel comes along and takes it off the governments hands for a dollar. All are added costs to the new building. I live close enough to the old hospitals to see a police presence there daily. My belief is there are homeless people living in the place or at least roaming the halls. Somewhat like Northern Breweries. The Shining 2!!
mallet,
I'm totally with you on that one. If the cleaning of the old hospitals had been kept up, it wouldn't have eventually looked so 3rd. worldly. And as far as new tech is concerned, we seem to be sending patients who may require such, out of town for those specialized services.
Let's not forget the hidden cost of maintaining the old hospitals. Heat, lights, roof, security costs, etc. At least until some angel comes along and takes it off the governments hands for a dollar. All are added costs to the new building. I live close enough to the old hospitals to see a police presence there daily. My belief is there are homeless people living in the place or at least roaming the halls. Somewhat like Northern Breweries. The Shining 2!!
skipper dave 2/24/2013 11:40:33 AM Report
RW - Dislike you? Jeez we would howl to the moon if you disappeared off this site. As you pointed out so clearly there is a select group of us who readily admit to being children of chaos, a group of undisciplined howler monkeys who would fall into the abyss of silence if we couldn't rant and rave agin ya. How long do you think my marriage would last if I called my wife a raving mental nutbar. I am surprised you don't hang out your shingle and start charging by the minute. Hate you, I don't think so, I need you in my life to serve as a contrast and remind me I'm doing well in this life. Thanks brother.
RW - Dislike you? Jeez we would howl to the moon if you disappeared off this site. As you pointed out so clearly there is a select group of us who readily admit to being children of chaos, a group of undisciplined howler monkeys who would fall into the abyss of silence if we couldn't rant and rave agin ya. How long do you think my marriage would last if I called my wife a raving mental nutbar. I am surprised you don't hang out your shingle and start charging by the minute. Hate you, I don't think so, I need you in my life to serve as a contrast and remind me I'm doing well in this life. Thanks brother.
skipper dave 2/24/2013 11:52:48 AM Report
New Barn - there has been a common complaint voiced over and over again about the new building being spread out and not up. I had a peek at the plans two years before it opened, the nurses were having their shot at the layout. Let's suppose we give the genius who designed it, his due for an airport terminal but shift the main entrance to the middle of the layout?? Also that place wouldn't work without the people in red vests, for christ's sake give them some mini golf carts they can use to ferry the clients around. And I wanted it officially noted that I'm volunteering for the job of driver for the mini-zamboni floor cleaner.
New Barn - there has been a common complaint voiced over and over again about the new building being spread out and not up. I had a peek at the plans two years before it opened, the nurses were having their shot at the layout. Let's suppose we give the genius who designed it, his due for an airport terminal but shift the main entrance to the middle of the layout?? Also that place wouldn't work without the people in red vests, for christ's sake give them some mini golf carts they can use to ferry the clients around. And I wanted it officially noted that I'm volunteering for the job of driver for the mini-zamboni floor cleaner.
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 11:54:16 AM Report
More alms to the adoring e-ther I guess eh skipper?
Why don't you stop trying to be a "pulpit"eer, skipper dave, and DO SOMETHING about the crappy hospital situation instead of just pontificating here day in and day out?
More alms to the adoring e-ther I guess eh skipper?
Why don't you stop trying to be a "pulpit"eer, skipper dave, and DO SOMETHING about the crappy hospital situation instead of just pontificating here day in and day out?
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 11:58:01 AM Report
Great idea about the golf carts, and good on ya for volunteering to drive skipper dave! Make it happen good sir.
Great idea about the golf carts, and good on ya for volunteering to drive skipper dave! Make it happen good sir.
right wing 2/24/2013 12:03:58 PM Report
skippy
“To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish”
skippy
“To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish”
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 12:18:09 PM Report
Spelly...aww. I know that.
Interesting that you 'fessed up to adopting an on-line personna for this site.
I suspect we all do to some degree.
As for NASCAR I really don't understand it or enjoy it.
But the same could be said for opera and soccer. Millions of people can't be wrong and I am right. I just choose to remain blissfully ignorant.
I don't know about you but I find that as I age I don't embrace change well and get bored easily.Yet I can sit on my deck on the island for hours , watch the wildlife and think.
I stopped listening to the stereo in my car years ago and instead relish the peace of just driving.
And frankly the sparring on here is just a pleasant diversion and a bit of an outlet.
Spelly...aww. I know that.
Interesting that you 'fessed up to adopting an on-line personna for this site.
I suspect we all do to some degree.
As for NASCAR I really don't understand it or enjoy it.
But the same could be said for opera and soccer. Millions of people can't be wrong and I am right. I just choose to remain blissfully ignorant.
I don't know about you but I find that as I age I don't embrace change well and get bored easily.Yet I can sit on my deck on the island for hours , watch the wildlife and think.
I stopped listening to the stereo in my car years ago and instead relish the peace of just driving.
And frankly the sparring on here is just a pleasant diversion and a bit of an outlet.
right wing 2/24/2013 12:48:31 PM Report
"And frankly the sparring on here is just a pleasant diversion and a bit of an outlet."
Bingo!
You get to choose one of the large stuffed animals.
(frothy wild eyed response)
"And frankly the sparring on here is just a pleasant diversion and a bit of an outlet."
Bingo!
You get to choose one of the large stuffed animals.
(frothy wild eyed response)
Bad Dawg 2/24/2013 12:59:04 PM Report
All the bitching about the hospital..... why go?? Just die already or go live somewhere else!! sheesh you guys complain about everything your GOVERNMENT CONTROLS..... don't bitch on here complain to the MP, MPP or the hospital itself.
As for myself I don't go there unless I can't stitch it myself. As for the ones that go when they have a cough or sniffle.... put your big pants on and deal with it like my 5 yr old daughter does. My 10 yr old is smart enough have Buckleys before even thinking of going to sit in a hospital for a Dr to tell him he is sick.
All the bitching about the hospital..... why go?? Just die already or go live somewhere else!! sheesh you guys complain about everything your GOVERNMENT CONTROLS..... don't bitch on here complain to the MP, MPP or the hospital itself.
As for myself I don't go there unless I can't stitch it myself. As for the ones that go when they have a cough or sniffle.... put your big pants on and deal with it like my 5 yr old daughter does. My 10 yr old is smart enough have Buckleys before even thinking of going to sit in a hospital for a Dr to tell him he is sick.
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 1:30:18 PM Report
Bad Dawg...without boring you - I have done all of that.
I am old enough to remember the General and the Plummer hospitals in the fifties.
My mother taught nursing at the St. Mary's School of Nursing there and my brother worked summers there in the kitchen for Bill Lang.
I even remember the original old wing with its antique elevator and a barred wicketed doorway in the lobby where you paid your bill.
I played touch football on the east lawn in the fall when the Grey Sisters would come out and tell us to please keep the noise down. And then throw us an errant pass.
Back before they opened the new facility on the hill I remember walking down the halls and marveling at how what once were patient rooms were now offices.
The reality is that we have a new place. It is run in my opinion by a top heavy bunch of suits who in the words of one told me "we used the Thunder Bay and North Bay models as our template for this".
When I told her that neither of those work either she smiled and said that she would be sure to pass that along.
I have written to Orazetti and the OMA.I have received no response.
I have spoken to sub-contractors who were on the job as well as consulting engineers. They all have said that it is poorly designed and built.
Finally I have directed both my attorney and my son to consider a lawsuit after I die if they believe that my death is a result of the lack of care I received.
My doctors are doing their best. The nurses are generally wonderful and professional.So my complaint is not with them but the system that created a two tier health provision in Ontario and the control over us that Big Business and Drug companies have in decision-making.
If you are happy with that then continue to self-medicate. I just want equal value for equal taxation.
Bad Dawg...without boring you - I have done all of that.
I am old enough to remember the General and the Plummer hospitals in the fifties.
My mother taught nursing at the St. Mary's School of Nursing there and my brother worked summers there in the kitchen for Bill Lang.
I even remember the original old wing with its antique elevator and a barred wicketed doorway in the lobby where you paid your bill.
I played touch football on the east lawn in the fall when the Grey Sisters would come out and tell us to please keep the noise down. And then throw us an errant pass.
Back before they opened the new facility on the hill I remember walking down the halls and marveling at how what once were patient rooms were now offices.
The reality is that we have a new place. It is run in my opinion by a top heavy bunch of suits who in the words of one told me "we used the Thunder Bay and North Bay models as our template for this".
When I told her that neither of those work either she smiled and said that she would be sure to pass that along.
I have written to Orazetti and the OMA.I have received no response.
I have spoken to sub-contractors who were on the job as well as consulting engineers. They all have said that it is poorly designed and built.
Finally I have directed both my attorney and my son to consider a lawsuit after I die if they believe that my death is a result of the lack of care I received.
My doctors are doing their best. The nurses are generally wonderful and professional.So my complaint is not with them but the system that created a two tier health provision in Ontario and the control over us that Big Business and Drug companies have in decision-making.
If you are happy with that then continue to self-medicate. I just want equal value for equal taxation.
mallet 2/24/2013 1:36:51 PM Report
Bad Dawg...
I really wish sometimes you would actually read and understand what people have posted... As far as the hospital is concerned Emailed the min of health David O D Mcguinty who else do you suppose I should have talked to?? As far as health requirements Talked to Deb Mathews until blue in the face, "we have plans, we have institued, this has been reffered to!" Do not say we have not bitched to the persons concerned.. I could say a few other things but then it gets nasty...
Bad Dawg...
I really wish sometimes you would actually read and understand what people have posted... As far as the hospital is concerned Emailed the min of health David O D Mcguinty who else do you suppose I should have talked to?? As far as health requirements Talked to Deb Mathews until blue in the face, "we have plans, we have institued, this has been reffered to!" Do not say we have not bitched to the persons concerned.. I could say a few other things but then it gets nasty...
right wing 2/24/2013 1:47:58 PM Report
Touch football on the lawn, Mother that taught nursing (how many years ago) and a brother that worked in the kitchen...Wow.
That somehow equates to something, who the hell knows....perhaps you can simply explain that two tier system that we have here in Ontario.
"When I told her that neither of those work either she smiled and said that she would be sure to pass that along."
That must have been one of those Nurse Ratchet polite smiles....
I am going to play touch football on the lawn of the new hospital this summer...I'll get back to you all.
Touch football on the lawn, Mother that taught nursing (how many years ago) and a brother that worked in the kitchen...Wow.
That somehow equates to something, who the hell knows....perhaps you can simply explain that two tier system that we have here in Ontario.
"When I told her that neither of those work either she smiled and said that she would be sure to pass that along."
That must have been one of those Nurse Ratchet polite smiles....
I am going to play touch football on the lawn of the new hospital this summer...I'll get back to you all.
mallet 2/24/2013 2:00:00 PM Report
R W..
A polite old English saying ..bollocks... from Angiogram to angioplasty here 3 months. Toronto 3 weeks. Kidney stone blaster here from stent to St Joes London 2 months, relative in London 3 weeks. Please do not try you usual bovine excretia on me, I have been there and done that!!
R W..
A polite old English saying ..bollocks... from Angiogram to angioplasty here 3 months. Toronto 3 weeks. Kidney stone blaster here from stent to St Joes London 2 months, relative in London 3 weeks. Please do not try you usual bovine excretia on me, I have been there and done that!!
right wing 2/24/2013 2:09:25 PM Report
mallet
...and I can give you many examples of the opposite.
So that proves what...hospital care is imperfect?
There are some bad examples but the majority of care is very good?
Management is bad and this somehow ties into bad health care...even though the consensus is the Doctors and Nurses do a great job?
Our health care system has flaws and needs fixing?
A true two tier system would actually work and improve the system as it does in provinces that have tried it.
When somebody shows up at the hospital door and is refused care get back to me will ya....
mallet
...and I can give you many examples of the opposite.
So that proves what...hospital care is imperfect?
There are some bad examples but the majority of care is very good?
Management is bad and this somehow ties into bad health care...even though the consensus is the Doctors and Nurses do a great job?
Our health care system has flaws and needs fixing?
A true two tier system would actually work and improve the system as it does in provinces that have tried it.
When somebody shows up at the hospital door and is refused care get back to me will ya....
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 2:14:50 PM Report
I give up.
One solitary disonate gong banging away and some many of us trying to muffle the sound of an idiot making noise instead of music.
I quit.
I give up.
One solitary disonate gong banging away and some many of us trying to muffle the sound of an idiot making noise instead of music.
I quit.
Grump 2/24/2013 2:21:38 PM Report
rw I'm old, pretty stiff and not very fast but I would love to play football with you. LMAO.
rw I'm old, pretty stiff and not very fast but I would love to play football with you. LMAO.
mallet 2/24/2013 2:28:25 PM Report
R W.
Never said the care was different, Drs and Nurses do what they can, all I am saying as far as wait times goes there is a two tier system between Northern Ontario and Southern Ontario. I never said anyone was turned away,in fact I cannot ever say I have known anyone being turned away, even in so called third world countries, who needed medical attention. Let me put it this way.. We have new hospitals in the Sault, in North Bay an Updated one in Sudbury, not sure about Thunder Bay, but no or very few specialists, a few cancer and heart surgeons in Sudbury and thats it for the whole of Northern Ontario. We pay the same taxes as everyone else in the Province, but not the same access to services, and before you say anything else I can send you copies of letters to all the persons concerned and some but not many replies..
R W.
Never said the care was different, Drs and Nurses do what they can, all I am saying as far as wait times goes there is a two tier system between Northern Ontario and Southern Ontario. I never said anyone was turned away,in fact I cannot ever say I have known anyone being turned away, even in so called third world countries, who needed medical attention. Let me put it this way.. We have new hospitals in the Sault, in North Bay an Updated one in Sudbury, not sure about Thunder Bay, but no or very few specialists, a few cancer and heart surgeons in Sudbury and thats it for the whole of Northern Ontario. We pay the same taxes as everyone else in the Province, but not the same access to services, and before you say anything else I can send you copies of letters to all the persons concerned and some but not many replies..
right wing 2/24/2013 2:40:30 PM Report
mallet
So you are saying that we should have the same staffing with all the areas of expertise to service an area with a population of 100,000 as an area with a population of 10 million?
That is why we have air ambulance in dire circumstances.
If you think the OHIP system is sagging with debt now....
My Father-in-law was brought in with cardiac arrest a couple of months ago...Sudbury within hours.
Couple of weeks ago the angioplasty failed...cardiac arrest again...air lifted to St Michael's within hours.
He came back yesterday...alive and well.
As he put it...he got the same treatment as a King of any country.
mallet
So you are saying that we should have the same staffing with all the areas of expertise to service an area with a population of 100,000 as an area with a population of 10 million?
That is why we have air ambulance in dire circumstances.
If you think the OHIP system is sagging with debt now....
My Father-in-law was brought in with cardiac arrest a couple of months ago...Sudbury within hours.
Couple of weeks ago the angioplasty failed...cardiac arrest again...air lifted to St Michael's within hours.
He came back yesterday...alive and well.
As he put it...he got the same treatment as a King of any country.
right wing 2/24/2013 2:44:52 PM Report
...bottom line Mallet, if you need a specialist the opportunity is provided to have access to one.
My son had surgery at the Hand and Appendage hospital in London.
He was operated on by a world class surgeon that has taught at Harvard...if not for this guy amputation was next.
Do I expect a specialist like this to be hanging around the halls at the Sault hospital..no.
...bottom line Mallet, if you need a specialist the opportunity is provided to have access to one.
My son had surgery at the Hand and Appendage hospital in London.
He was operated on by a world class surgeon that has taught at Harvard...if not for this guy amputation was next.
Do I expect a specialist like this to be hanging around the halls at the Sault hospital..no.
mallet 2/24/2013 2:56:26 PM Report
R W.
We can continue this ad nauseam. Life and Death situations require something else and I agree, however I think it would be nice to have just a few specialists around so that people who had non emergency did not always have to travel south to get that attention. When you add up the costs of the Northern travel allowances and the staff to administer that it could just possibly pay for some of these specialists.
R W.
We can continue this ad nauseam. Life and Death situations require something else and I agree, however I think it would be nice to have just a few specialists around so that people who had non emergency did not always have to travel south to get that attention. When you add up the costs of the Northern travel allowances and the staff to administer that it could just possibly pay for some of these specialists.
nanag 2/24/2013 3:02:33 PM Report
Grump and Right Wing
Let me know when you are gonna play football... I am a big fan of football... U guys gonna wear the "tight pants"? bahahahah
Grump and Right Wing
Let me know when you are gonna play football... I am a big fan of football... U guys gonna wear the "tight pants"? bahahahah
right wing 2/24/2013 3:03:58 PM Report
mallet
In a perfect world, I agree we should have what we believe we need.
If you think things are bad now, give it another ten years, this monster called "free" health care is going to rear its ugly head in a huge way.
The "evil" private hospitals will be doing a booming business...last time I checked there are no pockets on a casket.
mallet
In a perfect world, I agree we should have what we believe we need.
If you think things are bad now, give it another ten years, this monster called "free" health care is going to rear its ugly head in a huge way.
The "evil" private hospitals will be doing a booming business...last time I checked there are no pockets on a casket.
Grump 2/24/2013 3:55:25 PM Report
Nanag almost any pants I wear these days are tight. lol . There are a number of specialists who make regular visits to the Sault called locums. I know one personally who has purchased a place on St. Joe and spends one week a month here. If you would like rw I'm sure I could get you an appointment. He may really enjoy running across a fellow of your caliber.
Nanag almost any pants I wear these days are tight. lol . There are a number of specialists who make regular visits to the Sault called locums. I know one personally who has purchased a place on St. Joe and spends one week a month here. If you would like rw I'm sure I could get you an appointment. He may really enjoy running across a fellow of your caliber.
right wing 2/24/2013 4:32:14 PM Report
Grump
Thanks but I more than a dozen Doctors on my dedicated customer list. One of them is on the "Island", Sailors Encampment...could it be.
Grump
Thanks but I more than a dozen Doctors on my dedicated customer list. One of them is on the "Island", Sailors Encampment...could it be.
Mr. Poster 2/24/2013 4:47:00 PM Report
What a waste of energy to continually berate the hospital. If you are not happy...stop in and have a chat with the CEO.As i stated before I spent 5 days there and have no complaints except for the food. How could |I have been the only lucky one? Was it because I had a private room? Who knows...but I am happy to see the new hospital.
What a waste of energy to continually berate the hospital. If you are not happy...stop in and have a chat with the CEO.As i stated before I spent 5 days there and have no complaints except for the food. How could |I have been the only lucky one? Was it because I had a private room? Who knows...but I am happy to see the new hospital.
right wing 2/24/2013 4:54:12 PM Report
Mr Poster
Agreed.
The last I heard the hospital does not advertise about the dinning experience.
If you want that hit up one of the many great restaurants in the city.
Mr Poster
Agreed.
The last I heard the hospital does not advertise about the dinning experience.
If you want that hit up one of the many great restaurants in the city.
Snobank 2/24/2013 5:36:34 PM Report
End of the first period, rw and Mr. P - 2, The rest of the group - 0. Fly has withdrawn with some sort of personal injury but is expected to return.
End of the first period, rw and Mr. P - 2, The rest of the group - 0. Fly has withdrawn with some sort of personal injury but is expected to return.
statusquo 2/24/2013 5:39:07 PM Report
Mr Poster,
I am glad you had a good experience. But that is an anecdotal account.
I know as a fact that most nurses and staff are doing their best, they are dedicated individuals that are trying to provide the best care with the resources at hand.
My beef is with the overall picture. I am not at liberty to discuss details but let me tell you...if I ever come down with something serious I would move down south.
Is there anything I could to to ameliorate the situation as Raymond seems to bitch about?...not likely!
He seems to think that getting an audience with Gagnon would actually accomplish something. I don't think he is too bright. It is something we are going to have to deal with on our own.
My plan is to invest and set aside some money for just that eventuality .
Being hospitalized in the Sault is not something I look forward to.
Mr Poster,
I am glad you had a good experience. But that is an anecdotal account.
I know as a fact that most nurses and staff are doing their best, they are dedicated individuals that are trying to provide the best care with the resources at hand.
My beef is with the overall picture. I am not at liberty to discuss details but let me tell you...if I ever come down with something serious I would move down south.
Is there anything I could to to ameliorate the situation as Raymond seems to bitch about?...not likely!
He seems to think that getting an audience with Gagnon would actually accomplish something. I don't think he is too bright. It is something we are going to have to deal with on our own.
My plan is to invest and set aside some money for just that eventuality .
Being hospitalized in the Sault is not something I look forward to.
right wing 2/24/2013 5:57:39 PM Report
"But that is an anecdotal account."
Of course yours is not...right statusqo...you have the proof but you are not at liberty to discuss it.
So why bring it up?
In your case you are 100% correct, due to your lack of faith a move down South would be best.
My wife is visiting her very much alive Father right now at our hospital which is very much responsible for him being alive...of course it's only an anecdotal account.
"But that is an anecdotal account."
Of course yours is not...right statusqo...you have the proof but you are not at liberty to discuss it.
So why bring it up?
In your case you are 100% correct, due to your lack of faith a move down South would be best.
My wife is visiting her very much alive Father right now at our hospital which is very much responsible for him being alive...of course it's only an anecdotal account.
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 6:01:04 PM Report
SQ...exactly.
I would much prefer being here for my surgery and trust my surgeon.
Unfortunately economics and scale does not provide that.
My last time as a 'guest' at the old hospital just before the Summit at Wacky Wings I had excellent care and service.
Both docs were here on locums and were excellent.
So the food was lousy. So what? I didn't go there for the meal plan I went there to live. I could even learn to like Jello.
My issue is with that museum on the hill and the administration.
It is with the horizontal versus vertical design, the signage, dumb 'atrium' in the middle and the lack of handicapped parking and mobility.
It is with the built in pre-planned dependency on the goodness of volunteers to help when fat cat executives sit in windowed offices e-mailing each other while nurses scramble to serve patients.
Health care has been taken over by bean counters and the folks who actually help patients are being poorly served.
SQ...exactly.
I would much prefer being here for my surgery and trust my surgeon.
Unfortunately economics and scale does not provide that.
My last time as a 'guest' at the old hospital just before the Summit at Wacky Wings I had excellent care and service.
Both docs were here on locums and were excellent.
So the food was lousy. So what? I didn't go there for the meal plan I went there to live. I could even learn to like Jello.
My issue is with that museum on the hill and the administration.
It is with the horizontal versus vertical design, the signage, dumb 'atrium' in the middle and the lack of handicapped parking and mobility.
It is with the built in pre-planned dependency on the goodness of volunteers to help when fat cat executives sit in windowed offices e-mailing each other while nurses scramble to serve patients.
Health care has been taken over by bean counters and the folks who actually help patients are being poorly served.
right wing 2/24/2013 6:09:06 PM Report
Be sure and let us know the next time the administration "operates" on you.
Be sure and let us know the next time the administration "operates" on you.
Snobank 2/24/2013 6:13:46 PM Report
...Ahem, Fly. How is your last posting any thing but anecdotal? Actually there is nothing wrong with anecdotes as long as we don't take them as establishing facts. They are only limited observations and opinions. But that's what this group is all about isn't it. We just yell louder when there is a contradictory opinion, or we drag in playing football in the hospital kitchen with the nuns, or some thing like that. ;)
...Ahem, Fly. How is your last posting any thing but anecdotal? Actually there is nothing wrong with anecdotes as long as we don't take them as establishing facts. They are only limited observations and opinions. But that's what this group is all about isn't it. We just yell louder when there is a contradictory opinion, or we drag in playing football in the hospital kitchen with the nuns, or some thing like that. ;)
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 6:17:35 PM Report
Tell us what you really think status quo. It's a good thing you have more money than brains otherwise you'd have to depend on the public healthcare system here in the Sault like the rest of us. Sure, go away and buy your private healthcare you spoiled little rich boy. The rest of us will help our neighbours by doing things to make our healthcare system work.
Tell us what you really think status quo. It's a good thing you have more money than brains otherwise you'd have to depend on the public healthcare system here in the Sault like the rest of us. Sure, go away and buy your private healthcare you spoiled little rich boy. The rest of us will help our neighbours by doing things to make our healthcare system work.
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 6:20:03 PM Report
Snobank...what is your opinion of the state of our health service?
Snobank...what is your opinion of the state of our health service?
right wing 2/24/2013 6:22:23 PM Report
Wow, in the teaching profession, took on the administration, trustees, traveled the province straightening things out.
It all runs like clock work now.
I can't believe all your letters have gone unanswered and CEO's that you have conversed with just give you a smile...
The nerve.
The Sault, Thunder Bay and North Bay could all be straightened out.
Those are all serious issues to health care, the signage, dumb 'atrium' in the middle and the lack of handicapped parking.
I was completely wrong, our hospital is one scary place.
Wow, in the teaching profession, took on the administration, trustees, traveled the province straightening things out.
It all runs like clock work now.
I can't believe all your letters have gone unanswered and CEO's that you have conversed with just give you a smile...
The nerve.
The Sault, Thunder Bay and North Bay could all be straightened out.
Those are all serious issues to health care, the signage, dumb 'atrium' in the middle and the lack of handicapped parking.
I was completely wrong, our hospital is one scary place.
right wing 2/24/2013 6:24:01 PM Report
...could it be, am I being replaced with a new "resident expert".
Nah.
...could it be, am I being replaced with a new "resident expert".
Nah.
statusquo 2/24/2013 6:27:19 PM Report
Ernest,
I may be spoiled but I am certainly not rich. When I said "down south" I meant southern Ontario.
And hence my point that you might be not the sharpest thing in the knife drawer....(smiley face) are you coming to the summit?
I'll buy you a chocolate milk.
Ernest,
I may be spoiled but I am certainly not rich. When I said "down south" I meant southern Ontario.
And hence my point that you might be not the sharpest thing in the knife drawer....(smiley face) are you coming to the summit?
I'll buy you a chocolate milk.
Snobank 2/24/2013 6:34:35 PM Report
"Snobank...what is your opinion of the state of our health service?"
I think it definitely needs work. Grousing about superficial things like hallways and atriums is silly and a waste of time and energy. The problem of a lack of services for our northern population is troublesome but by chosing to live in the north we are agreeing tacitly to lose some benefits to gain others.
Doctors are human beings. Most, including specialists choose to stay in denser population areas because they will make more money and may not have as heavy a work load. What would you do to solve this problem?
"Snobank...what is your opinion of the state of our health service?"
I think it definitely needs work. Grousing about superficial things like hallways and atriums is silly and a waste of time and energy. The problem of a lack of services for our northern population is troublesome but by chosing to live in the north we are agreeing tacitly to lose some benefits to gain others.
Doctors are human beings. Most, including specialists choose to stay in denser population areas because they will make more money and may not have as heavy a work load. What would you do to solve this problem?
skipper dave 2/24/2013 6:47:08 PM Report
So the collective wisdom I've gathered on this site today is if you criticize anything the hissy fit kid takes umbrage with he "Are Dubya", will tear you a new fundamental orifice. He will gleefully attack your most vulnerable position without mercy. I think we have our poster child for class bully. Of course it's all said in light hearted good nature fun. Right? If it feels like bullying, smells like bullying then must be?
So the collective wisdom I've gathered on this site today is if you criticize anything the hissy fit kid takes umbrage with he "Are Dubya", will tear you a new fundamental orifice. He will gleefully attack your most vulnerable position without mercy. I think we have our poster child for class bully. Of course it's all said in light hearted good nature fun. Right? If it feels like bullying, smells like bullying then must be?
statusquo 2/24/2013 6:51:57 PM Report
rw,
"Of course yours is not...right statusqo...you have the proof but you are not at liberty to discuss it"
Not in this venue rw. This site is mostly for masturbation and entertainment.The only reason I come in here is for entertainment. The former I indulge in every morning in the shower.
Not on my life would I post details, names, dates or instances or addresses for that matter (smiley face).
I never have and never will.
I prefer to come in here and touch some nerves.
You seem to take things far too personally.
Ease off now will you? We won't change the world.....
rw,
"Of course yours is not...right statusqo...you have the proof but you are not at liberty to discuss it"
Not in this venue rw. This site is mostly for masturbation and entertainment.The only reason I come in here is for entertainment. The former I indulge in every morning in the shower.
Not on my life would I post details, names, dates or instances or addresses for that matter (smiley face).
I never have and never will.
I prefer to come in here and touch some nerves.
You seem to take things far too personally.
Ease off now will you? We won't change the world.....
Ernest Raymond 2/24/2013 6:54:07 PM Report
Sorry sq, I won't be attending any Summits. I prefer to remain anonymous and give you my impression of the unvarnished truth. Thanks for the drink offer though kiddo :)
Sorry sq, I won't be attending any Summits. I prefer to remain anonymous and give you my impression of the unvarnished truth. Thanks for the drink offer though kiddo :)
statusquo 2/24/2013 6:59:31 PM Report
Ernest,
That's a shame.
In all honesty I really don't think you're dense.....it's just the little vitriolic back and fro we do in here in the blue room...some folks can take it...some don't. If you can't handle it, then there is the red room where they bake cyber bagels.
No hard feelings.....it's just a game after all.
Reconsider the Summit. It's all good.
Ernest,
That's a shame.
In all honesty I really don't think you're dense.....it's just the little vitriolic back and fro we do in here in the blue room...some folks can take it...some don't. If you can't handle it, then there is the red room where they bake cyber bagels.
No hard feelings.....it's just a game after all.
Reconsider the Summit. It's all good.
flyhawk25 2/24/2013 7:52:36 PM Report
SQ...there is a usefulness to the Summits.
However it is not for everyone. I am always amazed at the people who choose to attend.
Without exception I have found them to be nice gentle people.
For many reasons some do not attend. But at least the opportunity is there.
We each make a choice to shed the veil of anonymity in our own time.
I am quite looking forward to the opportunity.
SQ...there is a usefulness to the Summits.
However it is not for everyone. I am always amazed at the people who choose to attend.
Without exception I have found them to be nice gentle people.
For many reasons some do not attend. But at least the opportunity is there.
We each make a choice to shed the veil of anonymity in our own time.
I am quite looking forward to the opportunity.
realitycheck 2/24/2013 9:09:25 PM Report
Mallet and Big Brother:
You say it would have been better to have renovated the old hospitals. That was considered but was going to cost a ton and for what -- to make them last a few more years. And there was no guarantee that air conditioning would be included in the renovations because the way the hospitals were built made that pretty well impossible. Temperatures sometimes reached 40 degrees in some areas in the summer. Nurses brought more than one uniform to work so they could change. The lobby in the new hospital is fine; it just should have been in the middle with three spokes, not two, running out from it. But that is hindsight. We have a new hospital, a vast improvement over what we had. Run down the suits all you want, but appreciate the building and those in the trenches trying to make it work.
Mallet and Big Brother:
You say it would have been better to have renovated the old hospitals. That was considered but was going to cost a ton and for what -- to make them last a few more years. And there was no guarantee that air conditioning would be included in the renovations because the way the hospitals were built made that pretty well impossible. Temperatures sometimes reached 40 degrees in some areas in the summer. Nurses brought more than one uniform to work so they could change. The lobby in the new hospital is fine; it just should have been in the middle with three spokes, not two, running out from it. But that is hindsight. We have a new hospital, a vast improvement over what we had. Run down the suits all you want, but appreciate the building and those in the trenches trying to make it work.
nanag 2/24/2013 9:53:03 PM Report
Statusquo
Thank you so much for sharing what you do in your shower every morning. I think that perhaps that is just a bit too much personal info tho. :) as visually entertaining as that is
Personally I sing Patsy Cline's Tennessee Waltz while I soap up the scrubbie
Statusquo
Thank you so much for sharing what you do in your shower every morning. I think that perhaps that is just a bit too much personal info tho. :) as visually entertaining as that is
Personally I sing Patsy Cline's Tennessee Waltz while I soap up the scrubbie
mallet 2/24/2013 10:09:02 PM Report
Reality Check...
I hear what you are saying, the Doctors and Nurses do the best they can, and I will never dispute that. As for the other parts, lets us just say that hindsight as they say is 20/20. Certain things like the aging population, people who have mobility issuses, I do not think these entered the equation when designing. The cost of building a taller more compact building I think was extremely high, because of sub surface conditions. As you are no doubt aware the cost at first of refurbishing the old hospitals was around $75mil, and then the costs started escalating and went to 100plus and then 130plus and it was then mooted that they could build a new one for around 250mil. I would have gone along with that, not happily, but okay, however as you know they then went to the public/private idea, and by the time they got that sorted it was in the 450mil plus range and then the added mortgage cost with the maintenance costs added on comes out to nearly 1billion that the place will have cost by the time the place becomes public completely. That is way more than anybody on here bargained for and for a quarter of that cost the old places could have looked like palaces, and the outlook/view for the patients a little more interesting..
Reality Check...
I hear what you are saying, the Doctors and Nurses do the best they can, and I will never dispute that. As for the other parts, lets us just say that hindsight as they say is 20/20. Certain things like the aging population, people who have mobility issuses, I do not think these entered the equation when designing. The cost of building a taller more compact building I think was extremely high, because of sub surface conditions. As you are no doubt aware the cost at first of refurbishing the old hospitals was around $75mil, and then the costs started escalating and went to 100plus and then 130plus and it was then mooted that they could build a new one for around 250mil. I would have gone along with that, not happily, but okay, however as you know they then went to the public/private idea, and by the time they got that sorted it was in the 450mil plus range and then the added mortgage cost with the maintenance costs added on comes out to nearly 1billion that the place will have cost by the time the place becomes public completely. That is way more than anybody on here bargained for and for a quarter of that cost the old places could have looked like palaces, and the outlook/view for the patients a little more interesting..
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