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Ontario Legislature - The Dance Begins

Saturday, February 23, 2013   by: Mac Headrick

 

Finally after a long Christmas break (compliments of Dalton McGuinty), our provincial politicians returned to work. It didn’t take long for the three main parties to establish their approaches to the present Legislature session. With the Liberal cabinet coming to town this Friday I thought I would provide an update on the first week back in months of the Ontario legislature.

The first public-opinion poll (Forum Research), since Wynne’s throne speech had the following results… Conservatives 36%; Liberals 29%, NDP 28% and the Green Party at 5%. I was not surprised at these results. The only poll that really counts is the one conducted on Election Day, but the above numbers do indicate a trend and that I believe will influence the approaches the three major parties take in the near future.    

There have been several comments on this site about the value (or lack of) of the Liberal power brokers venturing to Sault Ste Marie. My personal opinion is that it is a good thing. With the present size of the Liberal cabinet and the resulting support staff (media etc) this Friday will be like a mini invasion. Now, politicians do have to eat, sleep and on occasion drink. Also beside David Orazietti getting in some photo opportunities, local politicians will get a chance to bend the ear of Premier Wynne and the Liberal Cabinet. There has been much speculation on the future of the OLG. This city and its provincial member have to take every advantage to stress the importance of this employer remaining in Sault Ste Marie. With Ontario’s present financial position I wouldn’t expect any major spending announcements. 

The NDP leader, Andrea Horwath, has stated she will not force an election for the Liberal’s gas plant cancellation. Horwath had called for a public inquiry. This issue is a good example of the approach the NDP is going to take. They will demand this or that and throw in something else. The Liberal party eventually will give them “this” and perhaps a little of “that”. I have stated before that a public inquiry would be a waste of money. There is also some benefit to the NDP and Conservative parties the longer the gas plant issue remains in the public eye. Once the next election is over it will disappear into Ontario political history. 

The NDP have returned to a more traditional level of support at 28%. They have done well under Andrea Horwath, but if an election were held today they wouldn’t make any significant gains. It appears to me that based on past history the NDP support goes down in Ontario the closer they get to election day. The anti Conservative vote has two opposition choices, the NDP or Liberal parties. My point is that even at 28% the NDP vote at this time will not result in an equivalent number of seats. It is to the NDP advantage to push their agenda and find common ground with the Liberals. It is ironic that the NDP’s major rival (and visa-versa) is the political party they intend to keep in power for the next few months (or years). 

Tim Hudak didn’t support the Throne Speech. Once again the Conservatives will be on the side lines looking in. In the past (up to last week) I would have added a couple of critical comments about this approach. Recently I have been reassessing my view of the provincial Tories. I have always taken the approach that in sports you should never underestimate and always respect your opponent.  Politics is a lot like sports. It is true that in the past two provincial elections the Conservatives performed poorly. It is almost like they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory to insure a Liberal victory. 

Due to the Conservative popularity in rural ridings in southern Ontario their popular vote results in more seats. At 36% they win a minority, at 40% popular vote depending on the split, they could have a majority. I happen to disagree with many of the Conservative positions as outlined in their series of “white papers”.  Perhaps I have missed the point of these positions. Tim Hudak has decided to take the following approach. Before the next election Hudak intends to solidify the Conservative support. He has accomplished that. He also wants to be very crystal clear on where he stands relative to public sector workers. Well let’s see… wage freeze for the foreseeable future and Ontario becoming a right to work state. I think that has been accomplished. Cashing in on rural Ontario’s grievances such as wind mills, electrical rates, and made-in-Toronto solutions for Ontario isn’t that difficult to achieve. Actually having the NDP and Liberal parties doing their dance buys the Conservatives time to try and figure out where they can increase their support. Stephen Harper in Ottawa has a majority government with just a little more popular support than the Conservatives presently enjoy in Ontario. 

I am not surprised that with the election of Premiere Wynne the Liberal Party has regained some momentum. Considering the recent Liberal record the only logical political assumption is they will suffer a significant defeat in the next election. The following points have to be taken into account. Much of the electorate anger has been directed at the former Liberal leader Dalton McGuinty. He is no longer around to be a target. Kathleen Wynne’s most valuable commodity is time. She hopes the economy will improve. She needs someone to prop up the Liberals. Due to their own self preservation the NDP have limited options. They will support the Liberal party. 

I have always predicted the major education unions (include all public sector unions) will make up with the Liberal party. The public high school teachers have decided to participate in extracurricular activities. I expect the public elementary teachers will follow in the next week. Relative to this last point the public elementary union leadership is beginning to realize that the Catholic elementary system is promoting itself as a viable option to the public system because it has extracurricular activities. Where else does any union member in Ontario have to go? The warm embrace of Tim Hudak or the Liberal and NDP parties. 

It is true the sheer size and number of Liberal problems in Ontario is breathtaking. The fact is that less than 50% of the eligible voters in Ontario even bother to vote. That means the next election will be decided by the “true believers”. Election results are determined on a riding by riding basis. For example, Sault Ste Marie is represented by Liberal David Orazietti. His popular margin of victory most likely will decrease somewhat. I anticipate David will take a more “working for you” approach with less emphasis on the Liberal brand. 

As I see it, the next few months should result in an interesting dance in the Ontario legislature. The level of co-operation will be determined by the most recent political polls. 

Have a great weekend. Remember to please adjust your driving according to the road conditions.        

 

   

 

 

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Mr. Poster 2/23/2013 10:38:32 AM Report

With WYNNE the Liberals could only go UP after Dalton threw the party under the bus. I don't like Hudak and i have heard many say the same thing. He was in a position to win the LAST election and voter dislike of him cost the CONS the election. Why would Hudak be any better this time around? I see David O retaining his seat no matter what...UNLESS..a credible and formidable con candidate comes forward.
Oldie Goldie 2/23/2013 3:30:16 PM Report

Mr. Poster--You seem to think that this riding will go to the Liberals or Conservatives in the next Provincial Election---Why have you written off the New Democrats ?
They are much stronger in the North than Hudak will ever be and Andrea Horwath is a far better Leader than Hudak will ever be.
By the way I do not belong to any Party---Federally or Provincially but I do think that New Democrats will do well in the next Provincial Election---better than Hudak.
KDawg 2/23/2013 4:02:42 PM Report

"I have stated before that a public inquiry would be a waste of money. There is also some benefit to the NDP and Conservative parties the longer the gas plant issue remains in the public eye. Once the next election is over it will disappear into Ontario political history."

Mac, why would you want one of the Liberals biggest scandals (to buy votes in the last election) to disappear into Ontario political history, without politicians being held accountable?

McGuinty ran like the coward he is as soon as he saw the writing on the wall. There damn well better be a public inquiry into this -- heads need to roll over this scandal immediately.
Mr. Poster 2/23/2013 4:07:48 PM Report

okdie goldie...as I stated:

I see David O retaining his seat no matter what...UNLESS..a credible and formidable con candidate comes forward.


I should have mentioned the NDP...thousand lashes with a wet noodle to me.


WHO IS EVEN THINKING OF RUNNING? FOR ANY PARTY?
right wing 2/24/2013 11:19:29 AM Report

Poll released by CBC the other day.

If a Ontario Provincial election were held now.

Conservatives - Tim Hudak - minority government.

Liberals held second place with the NDP third.

....sorry to burst your bubble.
I agree on Tim Hudak not having the "likeability factor", it means as much about whether somebody makes a good leader or not as their sexuality does.
The fact is the liberals will not survive an election and they know it.
Just watch how big the bones get that they throw to the NDP.
fatafr 2/24/2013 2:13:22 PM Report

As a resident and a taxpayer of this once proud Province, I have a great deal of anxiety about where we are and maybe, more importantly, where we are heading. Honestly, I would have preferred if Sandra Pupetello had won the Liberal leadership. Now, we appear to be in a situation where Wynne is siding more towards the left, a situation that I believe will result in putting this once proud Province even further into debt. Sorry, I may be wrong and it's just my opinion.
As a taxpayer, I am having a very hard time dealing with the absolute and almost criminal waste of Taxpayers' dollars in the nuclear plants disaster. How these politicians can take money that does not belong to them and use it for their self-serving purposes is upsetting and totally unacceptable. It just plain stinks and Ontarians should be outraged.
Locally, I still believe the best person to continue to represent this City at Queen's Park would have to be David Orazietti. We somehow managed to make the mistake back in 1988 when the voters ousted MP James Kelleher, who was then Solicitor General of Canada. Wow, that was sure a smart move.

David Orazietti has been a strong advocate and MPP for this City. I don't believe that anyone from either of the other parties could do a better job and better serve the citizens of this City. I do believe that the stronger the local PC candidate is, the more likely that Orazietti gets back in (split vote). The NDP has not announced who they would run, though I did hear that Ms Celia Ross would run again, perhaps one reason because no one else has stepped forward.
Today, there's is an election in Italy. It seems that those that want to put Italy on the right track are having difficulty receiving the support from the electorate. And why is that ? In my opinion, it's simple; Italians, and the same thing in Greece, think they're entitled to what they're currently getting and they don't like the pain of cut backs and reforms that will help put these countries back on track. Ontario can be considered to be in a similar boat, in some ways. ie. Teachers want their wage increases, the LCBO wants their increases and job security and it's this kind of thinking that will keep this Province going down the wrong road. Meanwhile, the Province is in finacial trouble and those that have, want more. Everybody should be prepared to tighten their belt, especially in today's economy, I believe most of you would agree??
I would like to see a Provincial election sooner rather than later. We must demand accountability, transparency; we must become outraged when people think they are entitled to receive taxpayers money while the average, middle class taxpayers continues to pay and pay and pay.
It's time for those citizens who contribute the major bulk of the tax dollars to stand up and yell," we will not remain idle any more".
Let's just hope and pray that this Province will move towards removing itself from a "have not" Province to a "have" Province somewhere in our future. The question remains who will contribute to that end goal and who will be allowed to continue to take and drain, like parasites, from a system that, as I've said many times before, is currently broken. We all had better; a political Party had better step up and be prepared to help fix it. Feel free to comment and, as some will no doubt do, just criticize. That's OK.
I hope everyone has a great Sunday afternoon.
Mr. Poster 2/24/2013 4:43:24 PM Report

Mr. Fata...does it not bother you that David O supported McGuinty and is therfore to blame for the gas plant fiasco ?? He towed the party line when he could have stood up and said this stinks. I realize he will get re-elected UNLESS a quality candidate comes forward representing either of the other major parties.
mac headrick 2/25/2013 6:36:06 AM Report

fatafr

Frank your post reflects the, l'm trying to find the correct word here l got it, the dilemma facing Ontarians (Sault Ste Marie).

David O. very good track record but happens to be part of a political brand Liberal that has significant baggage after 10 years in office.

Who would you suggest the taxpayers of Ontario now support? Tim Hudak apparently has a plan actually several of them. Of course Hudak would require a wage freeze and the elimination of thousands of jobs, several hundred of them located here in Sault Ste Marie.

No easy answer well perhaps this statement isn't true no easy answer for me.
learningaswego 2/25/2013 9:32:16 AM Report

The only one of the pitiful, disheartening options on offer to the province's citizens, that is willing to call a spade a spade, do what's really needed and save us from becoming Greece, are the Conservatives.

Too bad (for us) they will not likely ever get elected, because their leader is just not connecting.

David O has been great for the Soo, but is now tethered to a party which is as palatable to the public as toxic waste.
If the PC's ran a really good candidate here - a moderate, personable, small "c" conservative with a good public profile, they could win here.
learningaswego 2/25/2013 4:22:59 PM Report

Hey Mac, if you get a minute, please fix the spelling error in the headline of this excellent piece.

Don't make me have to send Spelly over here! LOL
KDawg 2/25/2013 4:59:59 PM Report

I'm getting tired of the mantra that David O was good for the Sault and now he just has to deal with an unpopular liberal brand.

Wrong. David O. voted in lock-step with McGuinty every step of the way as he went about destroying Ontario's economy and handing out payback money to his cronies.

David O. was part of the Liberal machine that wrecked this province and he deserves the boot as much as McGuinty.
mac headrick 2/25/2013 6:19:01 PM Report

Thank you learningaswego done.

KDawg you asked earilier on why would l want the gas plant situation to disappear into history. I actually do not want that but feel it will.

It is the nature of politics some other political party will screw up and become the headline of the day.
Mr. Poster 2/25/2013 6:44:40 PM Report

kdawg..It continues to astound me how you and I seem to be the only ones that can see the utter damage David O has done to tis province by supporting EVERYTHING MCGUILTY PUT FORWARD. How can people show such disdain for the leader and not those that followed along like little puppy dogs?
I know of no occasion where David O stood his ground against the premier and showed he cared about us.
fatafr 2/25/2013 10:35:32 PM Report

So, let's see if I understand, some of you are comfortably suggesting that Orazietti should have become a lone ranger and vote against the majority wishes of the Liberal Party. As a Saultite, I would not have wanted to have Orazietti do that. I happen to like the funds and infrastructure money that has been coming our way. So, you wanted Orazietti to be the sacrificial lamb at the expense of our City being left out in the cold. I don't think so, and I believe many others would agree with me.
People in this City didn't seem to have any problem voting in a member of the NDP, over and over, for 20 years. Tony Martin toted the party line better than any so called politician had, in the entire history of politicians. But, that was OK ??
Orazietti has been an excellent Member of Parliament for this City. Orazietti has made up for years of being ignored because Tony Martin, quite frankly, spread his social values very well but brought nothing else to our City. Period.
KDawg 2/26/2013 10:08:43 AM Report

"So, let's see if I understand, some of you are comfortably suggesting that Orazietti should have become a lone ranger and vote against the majority wishes of the Liberal Party. As a Saultite, I would not have wanted to have Orazietti do that. I happen to like the funds and infrastructure money that has been coming our way."

I don't think anyone would expect an average politician to vote against their party -- only exceptional ones would do that when there are negative effects to their constituents, risking their politcal careers. But fatafr, you're not seeing the big picture. All the handouts that Orazietti was throwing around (always ramped up at election time coincidentally), was part of the problem. The Liberals spent our money like a bunch of fools and now we're screwed because of it.

David O. and McGuinty are proven failures.
Norm 2/27/2013 4:03:09 PM Report

David Orizetti turned out to be a very smart poiltician. He towed the party line and ended up a minister. Kathleen Wynne rewarded him generously. Smart politician meaning he looked out for numero one, himself.
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