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View Room Comments for Friday, Feb. 22 2013

Friday, February 22, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 2/22/2013 6:45:05 AM Report

good morning sweet Soo! Another month and all the signs of spring will be making an appearance. Hearing the tickle of running water behind the snowbanks. the warmth of the sun on your face when you step outside.
My favourite driving down to hilton to check on the boat. Spellchecker is she looking OK from the outside?
t-rat my apologies if my statements caused you any undue anxiety. that was not my intent. Perhaps at the next summit I can stand you to a libation?
Grace 2/22/2013 6:54:04 AM Report

Rush Limbaugh Is ‘Ashamed’ Of The United States

“Here they come sucking us in, roping us in, panic here, fear there, crisis, destruction, no meat inspection, no cops, no teachers, no firefighters, no air traffic control. I’m sorry, my days of getting roped into all of this are over. We have the media play along with all of this, the ruling class of both parties play along all of this — it’s insulting. I don’t know how else to describe it.”
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 7:22:20 AM Report

I'm sure Rush will find a pill to cure his shame!!
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 7:24:58 AM Report

Is there a pill capable of curing 'gas bags'. rw cold use a major dose of that pill!!
right wing 2/22/2013 8:02:38 AM Report

“I’ve said the same things over and over for 25 years. It’s the same stuff, it’s the same threats, it’s the same arguments, over and over nothing ever changes.”

“We just keep spending more money, we create more dependency, we get more and more irresponsible one crisis to the next, all of them manufactured. Except for the real crisis that nobody ever addresses and that is we can’t afford it.”


Yes what a gas bag, what a stupid statement, bunch of crap, not a speck of truth to it.
We need more intellectual statements like the two from "big bro" this morning.
Good Grief.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 8:19:25 AM Report

Wow...Rushspeak before my morning coffee?
Rush is offended.
Who cares? If his audience share gets any smaller he may have to find a smaller toilet seat to work from.
Mr. Poster 2/22/2013 8:53:11 AM Report

Would a critic like Rush ever be allowed to enter Canada??
T-rat 2/22/2013 10:00:36 AM Report

Skipper Dave: no apology necesssary sir. And I assure you, your comments did not cause me any undue anxiety. A bit ironic perhaps that two non-catlick agnostics are conversing on opposite sides about a little, old wrinkled 'saint' who only wanted to help and comfort. If you had gone after the fat cats at the Vatican for allowing her to establish the Sisters of Charity but never offered up any of the vast wealth they possess to help her out, I would have fully agreed with you. I guess she didn't heal the sick cause she was doing all within her ability, without revenue, just to care for the destitute, the sick and outcasts by putting shoes on their feet, clothes on their backs, food in their bellys and a warm place to lay their heads......and all done with a smile and a prayer. Not a lot different than the Sally Ann, actually.

I've yet to attend a summit but I think it may well be time.....and I look forward to that libation. Cheers!

right wing 2/22/2013 10:42:37 AM Report


As another X-Roman Catholic I completely agree with your entire post.
The hierarchy of the "fat cats" is a disgrace.
Even in the priesthood there are some that follow the true line but how they can stay in an organization fraught with their criminal history is beyond me.
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 10:46:34 AM Report

Sounds like the Conservative Party, to me!!
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 10:50:45 AM Report

The reality is that many cannot. Including my best friend.
The turmoil he went through over the decision to leave was heart-breaking. But he just could no longer stand before the people he loved and served and do it.
That is just one man but I know dozens more.
Not to disparage those who still continue to practice their faith but I knew it was time for me to go when church attendance caused me more anger than solace.
The metamorphosis takes time but eventually one finds spirituality through many other avenues. That sustains me. But frankly I miss being a part of a larger community.
mallet 2/22/2013 10:54:31 AM Report

Just looking over the National news I notice the Ontario supreme court is looking at the mandatory jail time for crimes with a loaded gun. It appears the one judge thinks that it is unfair for a first time offender to face a three year jail term, and also the African community says it is unfair on an already disadvantaged people. From what I am seeing the black community would be welcoming anything that would help remove the gun toting thugs off the streets. IMHO the mandatory sentence would be a lot longer for any offence with a gun, I would say any sight of a gun in crime, wether fake or real, should carry a minimum of 10years violence at least 20 years and murder throw away the key, or capital punishment...
RLE 2/22/2013 10:57:02 AM Report

Would a critic like Rush ever be allowed to enter Canada??

I'm sure there's a comedy club in Canada that would hire him for an evening. I can see the advertisement. "Join us for an evening of humour starring that master of bombast and bull@#$%, RUSH LIMBAUGH."
right wing 2/22/2013 11:14:43 AM Report


I hope your friend did not give up on his calling.
He would not be the first priest to become a minister, marry, have a family and continue with being a spiritual leader in the community.
The way it should be.
The entire concept of the priesthood is a recipe for human failure.
Mr. Poster 2/22/2013 11:15:25 AM Report

I recall my childhood in the Catholic church. We were herded like sheep over to Blessed Sacrament Church and told to enter a confessional and tell the priest all of our sinds. As a 10 year old I had no idea what sin was..but..was told by my teacher to just say you disobeyed your mother. That got me 5 hail marys and scared the hell out of me. Sometimes we would confess at the altar railing, hoping no one would hear what our sins were. Mons O"Leary was known to bellow out"Don't do that again !" to the disdain of many.
I now talk directly to my god thus eliminating the middle man with the collection needed to defend wayward priests.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:15:54 AM Report

I can't stand it any longer. I'm a little late with this but it's still bugging me.


as in 'Ayn Rand'.
T-rat 2/22/2013 11:20:38 AM Report

SKIPPER: Are we witnessing a miracle in the making? Seems rw and flyhawk are on the same page. Gosh 'n begorrah! Can it be? Thank you Mother Teresa!! But I'm still not going back to church.

Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:21:37 AM Report

Skipper, all the boats were looking their normal dismal selves last time I was down there. They don't like this time of year any more than I do. I have 2 sub arctic maxi tomato plants started under my new super duper grow lights. They should be ready soon after launch at the Dry Dock.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:30:34 AM Report

Mr. Poster, there are a few good Rushes on Sun News. You have to go there or to Fox News to find any truth in television media. RT is pretty good too if you can stand the lefty slant to it.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:40:11 AM Report

506, 507, and 724 on Bell TV. I can sometimes get there when I can steal the TV from Mrs. Spellchecker's curling, hockey, and football.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:43:20 AM Report

I'll have to compete with baseball pretty soon. The sports never end. This society certainly has some crazy priorities. No wonder Rush calls people low information voters and no wonder they're getting the government they deserve.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 11:56:40 AM Report

I must beg to differ on the point being made yesterday that a person's sexual identity doesn't affect their political decisions. Why do you think they're teaching the homosexual agenda to young children in the schools? The west gets crazier every day and we're paying the piper. Some just don't see it yet but they will, they will.
cathyh 2/22/2013 12:18:58 PM Report

Spellchecker: Would you rather have the children go to a madras where they teach their children to be suicide bombers and to hate the non-believers, i.e Islam? Human beings are sexual by nature, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual or transsexual or non sexual. If children are taught the facts about human nature and the differences in the sexes, without prejudice, then maybe we will have a more tolerant world, although I'm not betting on it. I am grateful to live in the "west" as you put it.
Shakey 2/22/2013 12:21:11 PM Report

Mr. Poster, I too grew up (sorta) going to Blessed Sacrament Church in the sixties and early seventies. Mons. O'Leary was the first dead person I ever saw. Holy Angels School made us go. There is a bigger than life size statue of St. Patrick in a plactic bubble on the front lawn of said church in London Ontario that is actually comical to see but obviously the church believes it to be a serious tribute. That just about says it all.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 12:21:59 PM Report

The latest 'news' about why the pope is resigning is that the Vatican is preparing for a blockbuster scandal about homosexuality in the Roman curia.
I stress that at the moment it is only a rumor.
But why am I not surprised?
Wishful thinking?
Mr. Poster 2/22/2013 12:48:51 PM Report could be true. I have often heard that those in and around the vatican seem to have a lot of knee problems. I suspect it is NOT from kneeling in prayer.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 12:56:20 PM Report

In today's instant cyber-world it is difficult to hide much.
We are seeing governments being shaken by social networks.
This may well be what will shed some light on whatever the rumors are.
If it is true we could see a seismic shift in some very big things.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 12:56:40 PM Report

Cathy, I consider one extreme as bad as the other. Correctly you say it's worse in the countries practicing radical Islam but keep watching because it's not all peaches and cream here either and it's going to get far worse in the western countries that have forgotten the real God. In fact they haven't known Him for centuries. They just have their own concepts of Him that don't match the real thing in the slightest.
Mr. Poster 2/22/2013 1:00:57 PM Report

There is so much that is negative in this world. It makes one wonder if the end of this world as we know it is coming sooner than later.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 1:10:36 PM Report

Most are willingly blind.

2 Peter 3:5

That scriptural reference should produce a tirade or two.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 1:27:29 PM Report

Well, maybe not. It's getting boring in here.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 1:29:47 PM Report

Status should liven things up a bit when he gets home from work. He'll give us a lecture on all things religious and the horror of Walmart shopping.
realitycheck 2/22/2013 1:42:49 PM Report

"Why do you think they're teaching the homosexual agenda to young children in the schools?"

Agenda? Teaching the homosexual agenda? And you're calling the West crazy? Cripes.
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 1:54:31 PM Report

Yup, it's an homosexual conspiracy. Says so in the good book!! God fearing hetero's will quash it though. They've got god and the KKK on their side.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 2:20:08 PM Report

Spelly...getting boring in here?
Okay. How's this. The popular pictures of the 'last supper' show Jesus and his twelve disciples.
All male. No women.
As far as I know there never has been any official Christian teaching that mentioned Jesus having female disciples.
So you have a bunch of guys out 'spreading the news'.
If social anthropologists are correct the chances of a few of them being gay is likely.
Christ died at age 33 without any mention of a wife. Yet in a tribal society like his at that age he would be considered past his marrying prime.
So are we to believe that he was still a virgin when he died?
Remember that Catholic tradition embraces the fact that Mary was a virgin and remained one.
So tell me - who is dysfunctional?
Mr. Poster 2/22/2013 2:25:32 PM Report

The so called bible was interpreted in many ways by many religions. A bunch of old men sat around and decided what being a christian meant. Church rules, if broken, could not therfore be a SIN...the church made up whatever rules it wanted.I prefer to follow the teachings of the BIBLE as opposed to any teachings of the CHURCH.
cathyh 2/22/2013 2:27:07 PM Report

So spellchecker: Who is the "real God?"
mallet 2/22/2013 2:37:19 PM Report


Where have you been all this time ... The Real GOD... The Almighty Dollar... of course....
cathyh 2/22/2013 2:39:46 PM Report

mallet: Yes. That and power.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 2:40:40 PM Report

Flyhawk, Christ hasn't married His wife yet. I'm surprised that you, as a former Biblical scholar, didn't know that. His marriage is future. It says so in the Good Book. It will be a surprise to many.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 2:41:57 PM Report

He's got lots of time and He's in no hurry. The world has to get much worse without Him and His wife first.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 2:47:49 PM Report

Whoever said that I believed the things that Catholic tradition teaches? All their traditions are derived from paganism and are condemned in the Bible. People deriding religion in this room are mostly correct about that.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 2:49:31 PM Report

Thanks Spelly.
That clarifies your position. I respect your belief but disagree.
And as you know - Jesus is one of my heroes.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 2:54:29 PM Report

Cathy, the real God is the one that Paul declared to the pagans. You can read about Him if you are so inclined.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:01:39 PM Report

Flyhawk, He's one of your heroes because you think He's a socialist. Actually He takes no political position. He was born to be a King and He will be a benevolent one that people are going to learn to love.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 3:09:01 PM Report

Don't tell me what I think.
I am very careful about what I reveal here.
But to help you along - I know that Jesus was a socialist.
That should get you thumbing through the New Testament.
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 3:10:42 PM Report

Got an answer for everything.
The bible tells me so!!

He didn't espouse politics. He espoused a way of life; a pathway. It so happens that His pathway happens to line up with socialist ideals. It is the basis of socialist thought. In todays world, which marketplace would be the target of Jesus' wrath? Most likely the stock market, comprised of capitalist pigs....mosttly of the conservative, right wing stripe.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:11:49 PM Report

You have told me what you think. I wouldn't tell you what to think. You told me when we were having a libation down at the Tilt'n Hilton and you have just said so again now. I tell no one what to think although it is sometimes misinterpreted in here when I offer an opinion.
cathyh 2/22/2013 3:13:20 PM Report

Spellchecker: Paul was a Jew who turned to christianity after he had persecuted the christians. If you can believe the historical writings he somehow saw the risen Jesus in a great light and he became a christian.
learningaswego 2/22/2013 3:15:40 PM Report

Where do you get that?

I'm far, far from a biblical scholar, but I don't recall ever hearing anything like ".....take ye from those that labour and produce, and give ye to those that choose not to, so that they may feast upon chips, pop, and cigarettes from the Mac store, and get tattoos."

Did I miss that somewhere?
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:20:58 PM Report

Good one, learningaswego. His tax will be 10 percent and He'll want it from everyone.
skipper dave 2/22/2013 3:21:14 PM Report

oh hell can't resist - Spelly quote me chapter, verse from either testament where it says God is all knowing and all loving? If you can't somebody made that up!
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:26:02 PM Report

I don't do such things, skipper. All I do is provide an occasional Biblical reference to something that happens to be under discussion during that particular day and I don't give a hoot if anyone cares to look it up or not.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:29:51 PM Report

I don't know offhand of any such chapter and verse but I do know that your mind power is a pretty good indication of His knowledge and your freedom is a pretty good indication of His love.
flyhawk25 2/22/2013 3:39:17 PM Report

cathyh...sorry but Jesus was a Jew.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:42:42 PM Report

Realitycheck, since you don't seem to know what is going on in modern education I'll give you an example. There is a school district in Maine that is apologizing for teaching kids about homosexual foreplay during a Diversity Day presentation.

Also, there are books in some schools that are being made gender neutral so the kids don't learn about historical roles that have survived centuries of time.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:44:37 PM Report

And Jesus IS a Jew.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:55:56 PM Report

Google is great for finding out what's going on in the schools.
cathyh 2/22/2013 4:05:38 PM Report

Flyhawk: Don't be sorry. So was Paul a Jew. Jesus started a new group of believers called Christians. Christians were persecuted by the powers that be. As I said before apparently he had a revelation and converted to christianity. This is according to historical articles.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:13:22 PM Report

There was no such thing as a Christian when Christ lived on earth. There was no New Testament and all his teaching came from the Old Testament. His followers didn't take the name Christian until after the crucifixion.
cathyh 2/22/2013 4:19:09 PM Report

Spellchecker: It is preached that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. So, if you believe in the bible does that not make him a Christian?
realitycheck 2/22/2013 4:21:44 PM Report

Reread my post. I was referring to your reference to the homosexual agenda, not whether anything about homosexuality is being taught in schools by an enlightened educational system. People who talk about agendas are as suspect as those they are complaining about.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:23:08 PM Report

I guess you're right. We're getting down to splitting hairs. I'm just saying the name wasn't adopted until later. All they had during Christ's first incarnation was the Old Testament.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:25:13 PM Report

What do you call it if it is not an agenda? You consider it enlightenment. I think it's a repetition of ancient Rome and it will end the same way.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:27:12 PM Report

You wouldn't happen to have a fiddle, would you? I can lend you one if you wish.
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 4:30:25 PM Report

'You have told me what you think. I wouldn't tell you what to think.'

Exactly! I told you what 'I' think, not what 'to' think. Bottom line though....think!

I think you keep throwing biblical quotes around and claim to have some deeper insight than others into the mystical meanings. The JW's have a similar approach.

To me, it's similar to reading tea leaves. IMO.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:33:01 PM Report

I wasn't referring to you, BB, with that post. It just happened to come after your post. It was intended for flyhawk.
Spellchecker 2/22/2013 4:37:34 PM Report

There are quite a few differences between my beliefs and those of the Jehovah's Witnesses but they have a better understanding of what is contained in the Bible than the mainstream religions. Bet I'll be in trouble for this post but I gotta go now. I'll check for the fallout later.
BIG BROTHER 2/22/2013 4:44:51 PM Report

The bible has been interpreted too many times. I have seen firsthand how trained journalists can twist a story, either on purpose or mistakenly. Rumours become fact; lies become truth; all in the same day. Bottom line: The bible is unreliable! (The disciples were not trained journalists; nor were they unbiased onlookers.) And way too vague to be interpreted literally.

I think fly has respectfully disagreed with you. I'm trying to do the same.
AceOfBass 2/22/2013 4:53:53 PM Report

The recently discovered Gospel of Philip,
which some scholars think can be used as an independent historical witness to the mainstream gospel accounts,
leads some scholars to assume that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus.
Despite any supporting scriptural evidence,
the Catholic Church tried to turn Mary Magdalene into a prostitute.
This allegation was made by Pope Gregory the Great, assumed by many to be God's representative on earth.
And, of course, if Jesus were married, the Church's stand on celibacy for priests would be severely undermined.

Early priests were married and had families,
and it was 1,000 years after Jesus left the scene that the church imposed the celibacy restriction --
even on the priests who were married at the time. It appears that the reason for this injunction had very little to do with
spirituality and more to do with acquiring and preserving and church property.
In those days few people could read,
so priests ended up being interpreters of scriptures -- and, of course, priests were under the control of the Pope.
Only wives and prostitutes would follow an itinerant band of men.
Contrary to the later trashing that Mary Magdalene would get from a Catholic pope,
as we've noted there is no evidence anywhere in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute..
..which leaves only...wife.

"Mary" (not further identified) refers to Jesus in the scripture as "my lord" and "raboni" in the fourth gospel—titles
in Jewish society as only being appropriate for a wife addressing her rabbi husband.
Contrary to popular belief, there never was a city called "Magdala" from which Magdalene was supposedly derived.
But, there is a Hebrew word, migdal used in the Bible that refers to a tower of great significance.

The word also implies a great person or great figure.
"Mary, the great," or "the great Mary," might be translated as "Mary Magdalene"
(things sometimes got a bit twisted in the translation process),
a phrase writers may have originally used to describe Mary, the wife of Jesus.
In this instance the scriptures seem to rule out this being Mary, the mother of Jesus.
Very much related, there is scriptural evidence from Jesus, himself,
that Mary Magdalene was the "one who understood" [the most esoteric dimension of his teachings*].
And scriptures say that she was the one that "Jesus loved the most" --
even to the point that the other disciples were jealous.
(The fact that she was a woman in that era of Jewish culture only made it even worse!)
Some Jewish historians have pointed out that marriage was an expected part of Jewish culture at the time
and it would have been unusual for Jesus not to have taken a wife. This would have made it an important fact to include in
the gospels -- but, as we know, nowhere is it mentioned.
After his death, Mary was allowed to visit the tomb of Jesus with his burial cloth—an act that under Jewish tradition
was reserved only for family members, such as wives
Finally, after Jesus arose from the dead, the first person he appeared to was reportedly Mary Magdalene.
The reason, according to some scholars, was that Jesus knew that this Mary would be grieving more than anyone else.
Thus, he singled out his wife (or consort) for special consolation.
mallet 2/22/2013 5:13:22 PM Report

Ace, Spell, et al..

I never knew I was in the presence of such gifted biblical scholars. It is unfortunate that any religion can give such comfort on one hand and cause such terrible wars on the other. Wether you want to go back in time to the crusades or come forward to WW1 it all comes down to religion. Padres gave comfort to the dying and blessed those going into battle,against Germans whose belt buckles read "Gott Mit Uns". Cries of "Christ that was close" to "God I'm hit" led to the thoughts of no athiests in foxholes. Today one branch of Islam fights against another by bombing and suicide bombers while all Islam wants to kill the infidel, all in the name of Religion. I trust that one day there comes an entity that will make peace with all mankind, but I know it will not be in this lifetime of mine, prehaps the next!
AceOfBass 2/22/2013 5:34:09 PM Report

Mallet and your point is?
mallet 2/22/2013 5:46:09 PM Report

Ace, Spell, et al..

I never knew I was in the presence of such gifted biblical scholars. It is unfortunate that any religion can give such comfort on one hand and cause such terrible wars on the other. Wether you want to go back in time to the crusades or come forward to WW1 it all comes down to religion. Padres gave comfort to the dying and blessed those going into battle,against Germans whose belt buckles read "Gott Mit Uns". Cries of "Christ that was close" to "God I'm hit" led to the thoughts of no athiests in foxholes. Today one branch of Islam fights against another by bombing and suicide bombers while all Islam wants to kill the infidel, all in the name of Religion. I trust that one day there comes an entity that will make peace with all mankind, but I know it will not be in this lifetime of mine, prehaps the next!
mallet 2/22/2013 6:51:43 PM Report


Sorry for the double post...

My point... All religions are self serving, they benefit no-one but themselves, Catholics will go to heaven, Muslims will get their virgins. Protestants will get to sit at the right hand of the Lord, according to their, Fathers, Mullars and Padres if they all do as they are told, and obey the word of the church. As no-one has come back to confirm this, prove it.
statusquo 2/22/2013 7:29:11 PM Report


"prove it"

He can't! That is why it's called "faith".

In my opinion it's just another mind altering drug, carefully administered and consumed in moderation it does little harm.
But when in the hands of the fanatics we all suffer in more ways than just having to scroll past biblical nonsense that has no foundation in empirical truth.... be it historically or scientifically.
The arrogance of fundamentalists of any denomination is staggering.
It has nothing to do with intelligence but with upbringing and genetics and an irrational fear of death, or what I would call "The Denial Of Death"...great book by the way .

Jimssm 2/22/2013 7:32:11 PM Report

There were 7 popes who were married, including St. Peter. Some had children, not hush-hush children, real, legitimate ones.

Priests being married has been an on again/off again thing with the Catholic church since it's founding.
AceOfBass 2/22/2013 7:37:59 PM Report

People go to the church of their choice for their own reasons. Peace is one reason.
Christian churches are all about peace and as was taught by Jesus.

There are also radical christians who hijacked the faith.

The Muslim faith is actually a faith of peace.It has been hijacked by radicals.

There is no doubt that these different religions have cause wars over territory. Crusades i.e.

There are countries where the religion rules and there is no freedom of worship.I.E Iran,Saudi Arabia.

right wing 2/22/2013 9:13:48 PM Report

Post of the day.

Spellchecker 2/22/2013 3:44:37 PM Report

And Jesus IS a Jew.
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