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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Feb. 20 2013

Wednesday, February 20, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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flyhawk25 2/20/2013 6:59:01 AM Report

We made it!
Let's hope that is the last of the big storms for the winter and we can all dig out safely.
Grump 2/20/2013 7:45:32 AM Report

Fly you know the best is yet to come. We always get a couple of lovely weeks in March. Have a great day all. PS if you are lonesome for the feel of a snowblower or a lawn mower call me I can help you out. lol
flyhawk25 2/20/2013 7:49:44 AM Report

It isn't the sound that bothers me.
Just the work in the cold.
FunMan 2/20/2013 7:50:29 AM Report

I see that City Council looked at creating a Deputy Mayor.

I thought that we already have that as
Joe is Mayor/CAO and Deb is our Deputy.
Wisenheimer 2/20/2013 8:17:05 AM Report

Are voters seeing the difference between a real mayor (Rowswell) and a pretend one?
Mr. Poster 2/20/2013 9:13:21 AM Report

They can say what they like about Rowswell...but...he was very visible and you always knew what he was working on.
Nunavut 2/20/2013 9:45:09 AM Report

A real Mayor knows how to work with a team approach, Rowswell did not work well with a team , so failed on many fronts. That is why he was in news so often.
I prefer the Mayor we have now.
Wicket 2/20/2013 10:04:59 AM Report

Well, if Rowswell was in the news so often for conflict in team work, at least we knew he was doing something. I have no idea what, if anything, this mayor is doing - do you. Any changes, accomplishments, anything in the works for the benefit of this lovely city? Please enlighten me.
right wing 2/20/2013 10:10:56 AM Report

I voted for our current Mayor and thus far, disappointing.

John Rowswell was a good Mayor. If he had team conflict it because "the team" gave him a hard time from day one.
Snobank 2/20/2013 10:25:26 AM Report

"John Rowswell was a good Mayor. If he had team conflict it because "the team" gave him a hard time from day one."

RW, do you ever feel like Rowswell vs the team when posting?

Thanks for doing those driveways. I did mine and a neighbor's yesterday and I was exhausted. Doing several was a real help to many.
Wicket 2/20/2013 10:42:23 AM Report

Rowswell did not respond to the "good ol' boy's club" and had vision, something lacking by all present politicians in this city. He worked hard to make things better for the city he loved; seems to me, everyone else is in it for the personal glory and to feed their overly large egos.
learningaswego 2/20/2013 10:54:59 AM Report

Rowswell got things done - many things.
Rowswell was first and foremost - a doer.
itsky123 2/20/2013 11:03:07 AM Report

To All

Speaking of our beloved city council, that some might remember, that went into John Rowswells office (while he was off sick) and stole paper work off his desk and tried to get it passed by council. He was opposed to this to be passed, BUT..this is what he had to put up with..councils way of being TEAM players.
Just a passing thought
flyhawk25 2/20/2013 11:20:52 AM Report

I felt that Mayor John grew into the job near the end.
But it was a steep learning curve.
We'll never know the inner workings down there but my sense is that our CAO is the real power.
Quite frankly I don't care - if things get done fairly.
Politicians come and go but Joe just keeps ticking.
Being mayor is a complex demanding job and we need someone behind the scenes who knows where the paper clips are.
I never thought Debbie would win but she did and now it's up to her to try to lead. Not follow.
I have not made my mind up just yet. But then again I find myself starting to like Frank Manzo so my opinion might be getting wonky.
skipper dave 2/20/2013 11:32:19 AM Report

Worked with John on a couple of projects and my opinion is his definition and description of the Mayor's job far exceeded the actual job. John loved travelling on the public purse and his lack of people skills was very evident every time Joe pushed a button. John didn't lead he stumbled, just a big goofy guy whose feet were planted firmly in mid air. Other than that he always appeared the square peg desperately attempting to climb into a round hole. Oh did I mention arrogant?
skipper dave 2/20/2013 11:40:50 AM Report

Now Frank - I love, there's absolutely no way says Frank "that Fratesi guy is getting away with that". Frank is not an embarrassment, he is an icon. Anytime there is an election in his ward he plus another guy will always win. The only way Frank will be replaced is with his abdication or out on a stretcher. Too bad he didn't run for the top spot years ago cause he'd still be there.
Snobank 2/20/2013 11:41:23 AM Report

As he progresses towards sainthood I think you'll find that the negative things about John that some of you have mentioned will be transformed into positive virtues. Eventually he will assume his rightful position next to St. Rhoades and St. Smale and only be spoken of in the most worshipful tones.
Snobank 2/20/2013 11:58:15 AM Report

Do they still refer to the mayor as "Your Worship"? Sounds like something fromthe dark ages, like the senate.
learningaswego 2/20/2013 12:20:09 PM Report

IMHO, if more people voted on the primary basis of who will get the job done; accomplish real, tangible improvements....then we'd be a lot better off.
Instead, so (too) many people vote for who they "like", which is usually the best smooth talker - the one who has learned to tell people what they want to hear; and place what they DO far down on the priority list.

Me? give me a "doer" over a "talker" any day, for the best government leaders at all levels.
itsky123 2/20/2013 12:21:53 PM Report

On my honor
I promise to keep the law of the council pack
To undermind the city's wishes.
And bugger up something each and every day.
followed by a long (HOWL)..lmao
RLE 2/20/2013 12:22:37 PM Report

skipper dave:

I was always taught that one should never speak ill of the dead,because they can't defend themselves. Of those that held the position since I've been in the Sault. there are none that I felt, on balance, were better. Doesn't mean I thought John was perfect, but he wasn't an embarrassment and I go back to Nick Trbovich
Mr. Poster 2/20/2013 12:42:12 PM Report

Methinks Debbie may still be in shock that she actually won.
Nunavut 2/20/2013 12:47:42 PM Report

Hmm I see the present Mayor has no problem working with our Federal or Provincial reps , whereas Rowswell was an obtuse ego centric in that regard.
Rowswell would go out of his way to say “I did this” “I did that” where most other people would take a more team approach and say “we did this and that”.

I also don’t see us wasting money on Mayor field trips to Russia and beyond like he did.
I don’t see silly ideas like making Snowmachine trails all thru the city . Can you imagine the chaos this winter ! Can you imagine the waste of money on trails on winters like last two ! Can you imagine the property damage on the grass and roads by yahoos!
Nope I prefer my Mayors to have some common sense, could Mayor Deb be better, of course…. and anything is better than what we had!

bounder 2/20/2013 1:23:08 PM Report

Skippy,I worked with Big John on quite a few projects and not once did I see an arrogant person.I thought of JR as a very bright individual and gave him all the respect required,anytime I saw him downtown or a city hall he always would come over and say hi.I worked at the plant on structural,makes me wonder if you know what a (kip) is.
flyhawk25 2/20/2013 1:33:42 PM Report

RLE...I agree about not speaking ill of the dead - especially while their family lives here.
Let history judge John.
I took enough shots at him when he was alive. But I did see him mellow and mature in office.
He got elected as 'an outsider' and it showed for a long time.
I really believe that he loved our city and that counts for a lot.
God rest his soul.
skipper dave 2/20/2013 1:54:10 PM Report

Bounder my lad , Kip, Newton, Jewel, your right I don't. I must look up what that old archaic british unit of thousand pound weights were?
skipper dave 2/20/2013 1:57:20 PM Report

I do speak ill of the dead when I believe they are being improperly canonized. Try me on Mom theresa, now there was one sick twisted little sister.
Wisenheimer 2/20/2013 2:20:28 PM Report

John Rowswell did not suffer fools gladly and their was, and is,a boatload of them on council.
T-rat 2/20/2013 3:10:27 PM Report

OK Skipper. Let 'er fly on Mother Theresa. Should be interesting. That being the case, I'm surprised by a story I just read from last week's media: the former Lieut. Gov. of Quebec has been charged with bilking taxpayers of $700,000. She isn't saying she didn't do it. She claims she can't be prosecuted because as a representative of the queen she "can do no wrong". Apparently she's counting on a technicality of Canadian law based on a principle that the Crown cannot prosecute itself, and that the position of queen's representatives overrides Canadian law. Personally, I'll take Mother Theresa.
Big Bad Bob 2/20/2013 3:29:24 PM Report

Wikipedia indicates that the term Your Worship can be used in reference to Mayors and Judges. It implies that citizens give or attribute special worth or esteem (worthship) to their first-citizen or mayor. According to Chaucer, the term serves to express respect, to honour or to treat with civil reverence. It does not therefore appear to have any religious significance as might appear at first glance.
mallet 2/20/2013 3:32:39 PM Report


Was busy in the other room, didn't see your early offer of snowblowing peoples driveways. You are always welcome to come and do mine anytime you please.... LMAO...
Big Bad Bob 2/20/2013 3:39:02 PM Report

Speaking of religion, I can’t help believing that if I belittled Protestants, Muslims, Jews Hindus, Buddhists , etc. as freely as certain posters frequenting this site seem to feel free to do toward people and things Roman Catholic, the resident politically correct sexual intellectuals would go after me like a pack of wolves. Why the double standard?
Grump 2/20/2013 4:52:00 PM Report

John Rowswell got things done for the Sault and is the only Mayor we have had that stood up to Joe. I was present at quite a few meetings where both were present. You could cut the air with an axe. I served on a board with John for a number of years and folks are correct, he didn't suffer fools well. That said the best thing to do with a board with fools taking up space is to make it very uncomfortable for them. I can also tell you how dedicated John was. He got out of his death bed near the end and made calls to the Harper government and got the funding for Sault College approved. He also would have done much better with Council if there were not so many Joe supporters on it. There isn't any doubt in my mind that John Rowswell was as great a mayor as John Rhodes.
Grump 2/20/2013 4:57:03 PM Report

Mallet I wasn't offering to do driveways but just offering Fly the use of mine so he could still feel like he was in the game. He responded that he doesn't like the cold so I will have to save him double time on my lawnmower. That doesn't mean my riding mower as he will want the feel of a real push mower. If you feel left out I'll make you the same offers. lol.
Grace 2/20/2013 5:51:26 PM Report

I have an idea...we should petition council to have the Mayor Deb proclaim the August civc holiday renamed John Rowswell Day to be celebrated as an honour for his exceptional service to the City of Sault Ste Marie.
mallet 2/20/2013 6:06:04 PM Report


Thanks all the same, but I do have the mechanical ones to do mine... got a cab for the tractor this fall makes it sooooo nice now to blow the snow, no more of the frozen forehead and cheeks. However if you feel like some good cardiac workout I just got my next years firewood in tree trunk lengths...I like to offer people the oppotunity to keep fit, you know!!
right wing 2/20/2013 6:15:17 PM Report


Now your talking.
Maple I assume.
Brings back memories, every two years block and split 35 cords...real ones, not them fake cords.
right wing 2/20/2013 6:18:59 PM Report

"RW, do you ever feel like Rowswell vs the team when posting?"

Snobank, never.
When it's the usual three or four against me I sometimes feel a tad guilty as it's hardly fair for them, but it passes quickly.

mallet 2/20/2013 6:57:11 PM Report

R W..

Yes indeed, maple it is, and fairly clean by the look of it. I prefer to get it this time of the year as it's skidded out on the snow more than the gravel/dirt. However like everything else the price has gone up a lot since we first started using it, and the trucks have got a lot larger too, this load came on what was a tandem but had 2 bogie axles in front of the drive and two behind them. With a pup behind it would be 60/70 foot long..
Grump 2/20/2013 7:24:49 PM Report

Mallet just imagine what a yearly licence costs for that thing. I have a F550 to pull my big work trailer and a full licence for that is over 400.00 a year. I have a chance to trade it down to an F350 with the same turbo Diesel in it so may do that next time I take a load down south or pick one up. Re your fireword I think I'll pass thank you very much.
flyhawk25 2/20/2013 7:27:33 PM Report

Everything indeed has gone up.
I drove by a gas station today and had to look twice - $1.37.9.
We may be able to burn wood as an alternative heat source but my car does not run on maple.
Grump 2/20/2013 7:28:12 PM Report

Better get your fur lined snuggies out as it's calling for 28 below in the morning. It's sure great to be a Northener. lol
mallet 2/20/2013 7:43:28 PM Report


You know there were steam cars many moons ago, and I think I saw a programme on the TV not so long ago where someone had restored one. Of course they used to run on coal, but I should imagine one could be converted to wood burning and in pellet form there would be no need for constant stopping to fire up. Should you put a steam turbine system in a car I would think the power would be great, after all turbines power just about all ships one way or another, not all have these ASI pods for power..
Jimmy 2/20/2013 8:15:39 PM Report

A shameless plug....

realitycheck 2/20/2013 10:16:06 PM Report

"Too bad he didn't run for the top spot years ago cause he'd still be there."

skipper dave:
He did run and he lost -- badly. He could never win a city-wide vote. He wins in Ward 6 for one reason only; he has a base that supports him and the seven or eight other candidates have to split the rest. If it were a three-person race, he would be out.

Pink Peony 2/21/2013 12:22:09 AM Report
Pink Peony 2/21/2013 12:29:21 AM Report

Really, you have to view that in big screen.
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