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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Feb. 12 2013

Tuesday, February 12, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 2/12/2013 5:30:11 AM Report

Good Morning Sweet Soo!
Spelly don't let us down. We have the first Papal resignation in 600 years and he's German to boot!
This is the stuff of the book of Prophets or Apocalypse? The conspiracy theory has it that the cardinals wanted to send him to another parish but that would have been a dead giveaway. Maybe now they will elect an Irish female leader before they go into foreclosure.
Grace 2/12/2013 6:03:12 AM Report

How about them Leafs fellas!
What a game!
nanag 2/12/2013 6:59:51 AM Report

Good Morning Everyone

Have a great day! :)
bounder 2/12/2013 7:08:36 AM Report

OMG, the pope is retiring,oh no, that can only mean he's just another human being.That could be a big disappointment for some.
Mr. Poster 2/12/2013 7:33:26 AM Report

Many will agree the LIBS have to go...too much damage to the Ontario economy. The problem I see is ...WHO CAN WE TRUST TO REPLACE THEM? Perhaps because I have never been a Conservative supporter but Tim Hudak does not seem to be the guy to gain power. That leaves the NDP...should Ontarians give them another chance?
statusquo 2/12/2013 7:35:23 AM Report

"Many will agree the LIBS have to go"

Be careful what you wish for. I prefer the devil I know.
flyhawk25 2/12/2013 7:40:51 AM Report

SQ...I agree.
If the Tories of old were around and we had Rhodes or Ramsay I'd vote Conservative tomorrow.
My concern with the NDP is their shallow cabinet pool.Realistically I can't see them winning in the 905 area.
JUSTANOTHERNAME 2/12/2013 8:44:23 AM Report

Actually LAD it did happen and no I am not looking for a negative response to Native issues. The issues they are facing don't need extra reinforcement. I will be the first to admit that I don't always agree with their method of protest but they should be commended because they are standing up for what they believe in. I also don't think racism belongs only to one race as evidenced by the actions of this little boy who is obviously being brought up to believe white people take everything that should belong to him. I also believe that the only way this country is ever going to survive is if everyone puts aside these differences and works towards a mutually satisfying agreement. We are not a third world country and no one should be repressed however, statements made to the effect that someone will bring Canada to its knees are not something that should be tolerated either. All easier said then done but it has to start somewhere and there is no better place then home to start raising the next generation to have tolerance and understanding for our differences and to celebrate our similarities, it all starts at home.
right wing 2/12/2013 9:51:32 AM Report

Bad Dawg 2/11/2013 5:46:00 PM Report

Pope Benedict XVI was a Nazi??..... wow learn something new everyday

Want to learn something new everyday.
Do some reading on the role the Roman Catholic Church played in developing ratlines...aiding Nazi war criminals to escape prosecution for their crimes.
Stolen wealth paid for much.
theprotector 2/12/2013 10:08:50 AM Report

ah yes, the oldest most notorious organized crime group in the history of mankind. Should be outlawed
old-cat33 2/12/2013 10:34:12 AM Report

Someone inform the city snow removal guys that McNabb Street is down to a lane and a half!!
A sign that spring is around the corner is when they start to ditch Black Rd.

Another sign used to be when the ice breaker Mackinaw used to start opening the shipping channel?
flyhawk25 2/12/2013 10:39:47 AM Report

right have that right.
It was no coincidence that the Vatican did not get flattened in WW II.
Seems to me they canonized Pope Pius since then.
Wonder why no one ever asks those questions.
jimmmy 2/12/2013 11:00:47 AM Report

Another day of driving in the SOO and again I am amazed at the examples parents give their children,while driving them to school. Talking and texting on cellphones, doing their makeup. The worse though I believe is the number of parents that drive through "RED" lights. Not just "Yellow" lights, but the light that is already red by the time they get to the middle of the intersection.
What kind of example is this giving the youth of the nation. We have laws but you can break some of them if you think you won't get caught.
Really, please lead by positive example.
Yogi1 2/12/2013 12:00:03 PM Report


The city crew just spent 2 hours taking snow away from a dead end Cul-de-sac on Cabot Crescent.....???
They do it every year at least 2-3 times????
Meanwhile you can't see traffic coming at any intersection on Fort Creek..Kids walking to school and its hard to see them..
Come-on guys - lets do main streets first...!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wicket 2/12/2013 12:10:36 PM Report

Phone the Board of works, ask questions, make complaints, doesn't much help to post on here...
Left Winger 2/12/2013 2:14:26 PM Report

Mr. Poster 2/12/2013 7:33:26 AM Report

Many will agree the LIBS have to go...too much damage to the Ontario economy....

why is it people are always quick to blame everything on the politicians for the last four years?

and before our resident neo-cons come a flocking and caawing this and that I'm pointing out that all political parties seem to be blamed but everyone forgets to pull their heads out of the sand and see it was the global finanicial meltdown that got us. This did not happen overnight but along shot it took years of poor mangaement by all parties to put us in this position but yet the governing party that's it on the chin once at again....

okay have at it all you armchair generals of all things finanicial/political etc,,,,share your vast there is an oxy-moron if ever....
itsky123 2/12/2013 3:13:20 PM Report

To All:

I seen this the other day, and found it applies to most situations.

We could learn a lot from crayons:
some are sharp, some are pretty,
some are dull, some have weird names,
and all are different colours....but
they all exist very nicely in the same box.
Thought I would just share.
learningaswego 2/12/2013 3:27:57 PM Report

LW - I voted Lib, and I think they have to go.
Even more so, considering their new "leader" is more like a Dipper than even the current Dipper leader. When the Preem espouses the main priority is "social justice", it just gives one a sense of "deja vu all over again" - from when the Boob Rae, Dipper goofs fluked a win in 1990.
flyhawk25 2/12/2013 3:36:07 PM Report

I thought that she had an outside chance until she said "with the woman I love..."
Lovely emotion but it won't play well in any place with more churches than Tim Horton outlets.
That had to have been followed by a gasp from her caucus and a giggle from Hudak's side. That is what is known in politics as a CLM - a career limiting move.
mallet 2/12/2013 3:41:38 PM Report

Left Winger...

Yes, all parties have contributed, however some have contributed more than others. Let us look at some of the more glaring errors, how about paying so called "green" electricity producers 20, 30, 40, cents a unit but only charging 5, 6, 7 cents a unit, someone has to pay the difference, guess who? E health and Ornge, hundreds of millions of dollars, and then a Kindergarten idea for a price tag of a Billion dollars. Then a few hundred million for cancelled power stations. That all comes out of the pockets of taxpayers and consumers one way or another. Then of course there are the other little ideas, like outsourcing things to other countries, like hunting licences, selling off ONTC, privatising the OLG which may or may not lead to the office closing here in town.

Like all governments past and present they have to learn to live within their means, which means that some services may have to be cut or eliminated, however painful that maybe.. This Liberal government has done more harm than good, IMO..
mallet 2/12/2013 3:48:57 PM Report

Left Winger...

I forgot to add, none of these measures had anything to do with a lousy world wide economy, these were grown right here, and instead of cutting back like most people do when the money situation goes down, they , the Liberals, incurred more and more debt for us to pay for down the road...
Grump 2/12/2013 3:49:15 PM Report

Fly I'm a Liberal and I have to agree, she may be a bright Lady but anyone that Gerard Kennedy supports is likely a loser in the end. She has enough baggage from the Dalton days without adding to it. I think she may have whizzed away a faint chance at a win.
Grump 2/12/2013 3:56:58 PM Report

Mallet just like the neo-cons who are still at it and have yet to meet a fiscal target . If you think they are nose diving now wait until interest rates climb, particularily with the credit downgrade. Interesting all the keyboard commandos on here bad mouthing Dalton's green energy policy. The latest poll confirms 69% of Ontarians support green energy with less that a third of that number against it. You can't credit that to everyone feeling the love for Dalton so it must be a good thing.
Bill_the_Cat 2/12/2013 4:03:02 PM Report

mallet: whilst not financial, it was Wynne who greenlit a defacto mosque inside a Toronto school, in flagrant breach of the law.

There seems to be an awakening to her, em, domestic arrangement from her constituents. She has had support from the sizeable (majority?) muslim population (see mosqueteria above), but this seems to be changing.

She will be hard to attack, though. The media will protect her, just as with Obama, with calls of sexism and homophobia against any and all opponents.
learningaswego 2/12/2013 4:14:36 PM Report

An endorsement by Kennedy is the kiss of death to any politician.
Can you say "Dion"? LOL
Bill_the_Cat 2/12/2013 4:21:11 PM Report

Grump: Kennedy is the kiss of death. That's too bad. I liked his idea of decentralizing power from Queen's Park. Too many decisions are made by mandarins without public oversight.
skipper dave 2/12/2013 4:23:56 PM Report

Grump - No one is against what you would call green energy as long as you understand the charge for Kilowatts per hour is much, much higher than conventional hydro or nuclear. This Liberal government has signed some very long term contracts with cozy solar and wind contractors that you and I will pay for down the road. Look online (where's rw and compare the cost of producing a Kw/Hr rate for Solar, Wind, Nuclear and hydro and get back to us to see whose making money at this green paint. When we still have a relatively large untapped reserve of nuclear and hydro. i'm not in favour of coal fired generation and don't forget the surplus of natural gas we have out west. Happy PUC bills all you green lovers.
Grump 2/12/2013 4:42:05 PM Report

Skipper I don't speak for wind power but the cost of a kwh from about 11.00am to 1.30 pm is about 2 1/2 times the highest rate paid for solar energy. That said this is also peak producing time for solar. When one looks at these factors and the spin off in construction and maintenance jobs, it's not such a bad deal. This same formula has been used to kick start solar the world over, particularily in Germany
All Is Well 2/12/2013 4:47:47 PM Report

So when did austerity over job creation and health care money become the chant? Of course the provincial government could have closed hospitals, laid off nurses and teachers, attacked squeegee kids, sold off the LCBO, delayed increasing minimum wage, cut back on grants to university students and cut funding to colleges and universities. There could have been more cuts, but where would that have left the province, the workers, and the students, the needy, and health care? The Liberal government chose not too and many jobs were created and many jobs were not cut in government and in the private sector thereby keeping the economy from falling through the floor. Show me a country which became a success by drastically reducing spending.
mallet 2/12/2013 4:59:33 PM Report


I am not against green energy as such, what I am against is the price that the government agreed to pay for it. Double the average price for the other types of generating fine, but to pay up to 8 times is not in the best interests of the people you are supposed to be serving. I think that that was way too much to pay, and there must have been some payola involved somewhere. As for the other part about the percentage that supports green, well yes, if the other alternative is pollution, thats is like asking if you would rather be healthy or sick, not many are going to say they would rather be sick, it depends on how the question is set out..
As for Ms Wynne's sexual orientation, well I will admit to being a bit homophobic, I do not go out of my way to associate with people of that persuasion, however I do not feel revulsion at their lifestyles either. Wether that will be a factor in an election, I am sure some will make it an issue, but I think it will be a mistake to do so. IMHO the issues should be the financial state of the province and what they say they will do to put it back on the path to financial health...
Bill_the_Cat 2/12/2013 5:04:46 PM Report

All is well: Canada. Liberal govt. 1990s. Drastic cuts to all services. Paved the way for economic stability in the noughts. We have done remarkably well compared to the Eurostates which overspent, and were crushed by the last two recessions--depression era numbers in some cases in the UK/France.

More? UK. Thatcher. Terrorized unions. Ended Westminister's micromanaging of the economy (eg, daily price of bread). Enabled working folk to buy their own homes. Worked well until Blair's overspend on social services and rampant over-immigration (see above).

Ontario liberals increased the public sector unions, but decimated the industrial heart of Canada with the largest job-losses in history. No wonder Buzz hates them.

Remember, Public sector employees are a net loss to the economy. They generate no wealth; they only leech it.
Bill_the_Cat 2/12/2013 5:07:02 PM Report

Though, university funding does need to be cut drastically. Fully 75% of students at university should be in a community college.
skipper dave 2/12/2013 5:32:11 PM Report

All is Well - show me a household where the right financial path is to spend yourself out of dept? You have been keeping track of how much money we owe cause your loveable libs are not keeping track while creating lots of MacJobs? The spending to create jobs was a program to modernize our infrastructure and create jobs, hows that working for us?
mallet 2/12/2013 5:32:37 PM Report


Once installed, there is very little maintenance for solar and for wind turbines not much for the average worker as this is a very specialised job. About the only work that the FN people will get out of their proposed Bow Lake windfarm is some site prep and ground work. Instalation of the towers, generators and blades is again a specialised occupation, which I doubt many FN people are trained for. There maybe some gounds work, grass cutting etc, but I would think that these companies are more into herbicides and pesticides than any "green" ways of dealing with weeds..
skipper dave 2/12/2013 6:14:23 PM Report

Mallet the FN profit would be land lease or sale. And if you rent your roof out for solar panels which you buy make sure your shingles are brand new.
skipper dave 2/12/2013 6:19:57 PM Report

Psst! on the solar panels what's the break even - one year? Ten years? How long you people going to live? Changing technology - There's research now on solar panels being hung inside your windows and closed on a nice bright sunny day like vertical blinds - Solar panel builders are lining up to bid on the patent rights?????? So they can sit on it!
shakespeare 2/12/2013 6:51:28 PM Report

Bought a solar panel at Canadian Tire after we got a Bell phone installed (for free) at Ranger Lake where there is no hydro. Works great attached to a 12 volt battery. Saves having to run the generator. It's a windy lake, so I'd like to see what a small mill could do to run other things. My beef is that the 12 volt trickle-charge batteries don't last more than 3 years.
shakespeare 2/12/2013 7:06:09 PM Report

... and they're only used 5 months each year.
mallet 2/12/2013 7:25:41 PM Report

Skipper Dave...

I am not sure about the Bow Lake Project, there are some who say it is on crown Land, The land claim from the Band at Wawa, Batchawanas land claim. I understand that R W knows a lot more than I on that project... As for Solar panels on the roof... I do have a south facing roof, which plays havoc with shingles and to be safe if I thought of going that route I think I would be inclined to go to steel roofing, but before I would do that I would want them down a lot cheaper than they are at this time. However as a lot of stuff is 220V I would need the transformers and equipment to run that stuff, that also increases the price. As I pay GLP about 12hundred a year and the estimate I had a while ago was in the 30K range it would take me a long while to see any great return on that investment, plus I should live that long!
flyhawk25 2/12/2013 7:33:13 PM Report

Classic example of solar...
I have a calculator that I use occasionally.
Solar powered.
Keep it in a nook on my desk and pulled it out last week to crunch some numbers.
Left it on the window sill for a while and it worked.
Never mind that years ago I spent thousands to install a solar heater for our pool.
Years from now kids will wonder why we were so dumb not to embrace change.
Well generation grew up before rotary dial phones.
We're trying. Failing. And trying again to leave you energy efficient.
shakespeare 2/12/2013 7:52:18 PM Report

fly: apparently there are mini solar panels which can can fit on the head and actually be invisible (if one has a full head of hair). Thin, fibre, hairlike lines are fed into the ears and apparently a kind of hearing aid device stimulates the brain. They have shown remarkable results in increasing less-than-average IQs They work well for people who work outdoors or in well lit places of work, but come with a manufacturer's warning " Not suitable for trolls, zombies, miners or plumbers"
skipper dave 2/12/2013 8:11:21 PM Report

Shakey - The 12 volt batteries that I recommend are the marine deep cycle - As the name implies you can get a nice full deep charge then keep it topped up with a solar power trickle charger (ordinary starting batteries will take a better charge if they are ran completely flat). Works fine for me I have a number of them connected in parallel that run thru a master switch which allows me to select one or all. This is on my boat and they come off in the fall to be stored where theres no danger of freezing. I can get some eight hours or more on a single battery including running lights at night. Marine batteries come in all sizes and starting price of 100$ for the basic, upwards from there. I expect to get five years out of each one and turn them over one at a time each season (buying one new battery) Make your own wind mill from a kit that will drive an old fashioned car generator and charge your batteries that way. Be careful when sizing the conductors the lower the voltage the heavier the cable must be and what the output is from the generator. Jeez I got to get back to work.
shakespeare 2/12/2013 8:42:59 PM Report

Thanks, Skipper, but I do use the marine batteries. Maybe I don't store them properly or maybe I should connect a couple together. I am not an expert in this field (as is apparent)
One thing I do know that when the grandkids are out (or even when they're not) it's a great idea to bring outside solar lamps into the camp to put in the composting loo room or the living room.
They last all night and, while not bright, give enough light to get around. The best solar lights we got were at (sorry stats) Walmart!
skipper dave 2/12/2013 9:33:44 PM Report

Shakes - you didn't hear this from me and if you quote me I'll say I hurd it from rw or some other knowledgable guy. If high voltage transmission lines pass thru your property and you were to bury a coil of insulated cable say 4 inches below the ground and if the coil is big enough it will induce current out of the two ends of the cable. So the number of turns would determine the amount of the current and theoretically you are not stealing current from the transmission lines. This guy I know says a little research done quietly can generate a nice continuos current. in some northern communities where water is charged by a flat rate people use water generators to produce current. Yes I know it's all wink wink but ingenuity never ceases to amaze me. We found the coils in a farmers cornfield, several of them using thermal imaging from a helicopter and spotting the hot crop circles from the air.
flyhawk25 2/12/2013 9:41:59 PM Report

What a perfectly wonderful socialist plot.
Sharing the abundance of nature.
Solidarity my brothers!
BIG BROTHER 2/12/2013 9:55:00 PM Report

Boehner looks like he's constipated. He wants to grab Obama by the skinny little socialist neck and choke the living crap out of him!! And then there's Paul Ryan, alias, Gomer Pyle.

Mr. Poster 2/12/2013 11:46:50 PM Report

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