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View Room Comments for Friday, Feb. 1 2013

Friday, February 01, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 2/1/2013 6:57:34 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo! Good to be back from the Nickel Capitol. Going down on Tuesday was one of those rare drives where we stopped every twenty minutes to chop the freezing ice off the windshield and blades. That's only twice in my whole driving career and icy with snow packed coming up yesterday. Can't sing the praises of studded snow tyres enough.
"Have to be in control" I drove back even though I was nauseous and my wife is a great driver. Giving up control of the wheel be it our car or boat, well what can I say, everything I've let go of has claw marks all over it. And it does pick away at a great relationship. Quote from Martin Luther King Jr. " Everything I've held tightly in my hand I have lost, everything I've held loosely I still have". Parenting and partnering 101. How about some other spouses who either must drive or are grounded cause the driver throws a hissy fit if not in charge? I for one don't do this well and I know I'm doing it.
skipper dave 2/1/2013 7:09:38 AM Report

Hey, I know, don't have a partner and voila no problem. But I did that for ten years as a middle age bachelor. If I wanted to go somewhere I drove. Far as I remember dogs (yes plural - brace of maltese sled dogs in training) listen well but are weak on discourse. Now I'm married to a wonderful lady who after three years still has me on probation with options (feel like the catlick church) Excommunication (the boot). Tender care nursing home. And lastly her Dad's workshop in the back forty. Wonder why he built it so far from the house?
Mr. Poster 2/1/2013 7:14:37 AM Report

I am thinking David O can only get elected if he changes parties . Will he jump to the NDP in order to ensure a seat? Will he come to the conclusion that the LIBS are done in this union city? Will he realize we rarely elect a CON in this city? Will he try to save his job by jumping to the local party that will likely see SSM going NDP??
sparks7 2/1/2013 7:26:08 AM Report

get up
get out of bed
drag a comb across your head
good morning,good morning
here comes the sun

Grump 2/1/2013 7:44:44 AM Report

Good morning everyone. Skipper my wife is only too happy to not have to drive, that is not to say I'm not happy to drive as she pushes the limit prety hard. As for David Orazietti, I would think he will run on his own record not McGuity's. Anyone who can't figure out how much more the Sault got on his watch is out of touch. No matter which party wins the election, people like David still come through. He is bright, works vey hard and truly cares about Sault Ste Marie. Anything the NDP have shown the Sault are just tough times and how to do without. Don't need another do nothing " Nice Guy" thanks. Have a great day all.
everson 2/1/2013 8:00:28 AM Report

Never make eye contact while eating a banana.
right wing 2/1/2013 8:29:55 AM Report

Why, did the gorilla thump you?
everson 2/1/2013 8:34:03 AM Report

A roadrunners speed is 20 mph and a coyotes speed is 43 mph, my whole childhood was a lie.
everson 2/1/2013 8:35:40 AM Report

No right wing it was some knuckledragger lurking. The Human kind.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 8:41:03 AM Report

When I was a young fellow I would drive a car just for the sheer joy of driving it. Now that I am an old fellow I avoid the steering wheel as much as possible. Mrs. Spellchecker drives us nearly everywhere we go, including all the way to Florida and back in a right hand drive car.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 8:43:50 AM Report

Before that, all the way to the Yucatan Peninsula and back in a left hand drive car. I did take over that time for a few miles, not many though.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 8:47:47 AM Report

That time period between young fellow and old fellow doesn't seem too great a space. Enjoy every minute, young fellows, it's coming faster than you think.
right wing 2/1/2013 8:54:25 AM Report


I love driving especially highway driving.
I also get a charge out of driving on freeways and expressways.
The more lanes the better, the faster I can go the better.
Highest speed I have ever driven a car was 160 KPH, wanted to go faster but thoughts of a big ticket can slow you down.
Big Bad Bob 2/1/2013 8:54:50 AM Report

As some philosopher once observed, we are born at a certain hour on a certain day and, immediately thereafter, we begin to grow older.
right wing 2/1/2013 9:17:34 AM Report

Imagine what will happen when they discover how to further slow aging through DNA manipulation.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 9:18:08 AM Report

And faster.
bounder 2/1/2013 9:30:03 AM Report

Like driving,if you go the speed limit there's never anyone in front of you.Makes for a nice drive.
flyhawk25 2/1/2013 9:32:13 AM Report good to hear that you are back safely.
I don't know if you realize how many lives you are touching with your telling of your journey to health.
But many of us share similar experiences in our lives but are reluctant to let strangers into our own lives.
I can't speak for the others but I can tell you that this old and semi-broken guy prays for you,worries about how you are doing and eagerly awaits for each morning - not just for the morning light but that light you shine on all of us.
You will get through this and in the early summer when your beloved Celtic Cross sits at the dock at Hilton I will be on the deck at Cindy's with Spelly waiting for you to join us for a cool soft drink of your choice.
Of course the ol' Spellchecker and I will be having our usual adult beverages. I don't want to get too carried away with all this feel good stuff.
right wing 2/1/2013 9:37:23 AM Report


Simple perception or actual physical causes, that is the question.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 9:38:33 AM Report

Flyhawk, perhaps we will get you out on the bay, before libations of course.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 9:40:43 AM Report

Right wing, with me it is perception. I still feel quite youthful, actually. I just can't believe where the time went.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 9:42:52 AM Report

I'll try not to strike you on the head with the boom, as I did Sam C.
flyhawk25 2/1/2013 10:03:45 AM Report then I hope to have the new deluxe inner tube in my aorta and can safely allow you to terrify me.
Be forewarned - I come from a long line of pirates but perhaps we can find a small village to pillage.
Or not.
I have to have a nap every afternoon.
RLE 2/1/2013 10:18:48 AM Report

Spellchecker: I believe it was Bill Cosby who stated that old age is fifteen years older than you are right now.
Spellchecker 2/1/2013 10:29:46 AM Report

RLE, I certainly concur with that sentiment.

Brianne posted something purported to come from the lips of Bill Cosby yesterday. Jimssm told us that Cosby didn't say it but no matter who said it, it pretty well sums up my own feelings.
Wicket 2/1/2013 10:38:48 AM Report

I LOVE, love, love driving, especially on the highway - trips, day jaunts, doesn't matter. When my husband realized that I was a good driver and not a threat to his abilities, he relinquished the wheel and we now take turns. He hadn't realized how many things he had missed out on seeing while he was the main driver.
Love your stories skipper dave and if the only way I am going to meet up with you again is to go to Hilton and check out the sailboat, then that is what hubby and I will do....catch up with Spelly, Mrs. Spelly, Fly and maybe Dutchtouch also....
right wing 2/1/2013 10:54:32 AM Report


Small wonder that a Liberal would ignore the truth in the message and instead look for a finger pointing opportunity.
Shakey did the same thing to Grace yesterday.
learningaswego 2/1/2013 10:56:41 AM Report

Perhaps David O should run for federal Liberals. He is popular locally and has done a good job for the Soo, IMHO; but the provincial Liberal brand is now toxic, and is only going to get worse.
(especially when the details and REAL costs of the gas plant - vote buying fiasco comes out)
Plus, many provincial Libs already have been jumping ship ahead of the fallout.

Also, the federal Liberals will probably be back in power - not likely the next election, but more likely the one after.

DutchTouch 2/1/2013 10:58:05 AM Report

Nice to see so many of the old gang on here this morning.
Thanks for thinking of me Wicket. I saw my name and did a double take.
I still check in from time to time but things have gotten hectic around the old place.
Always nice to hear from the Skipper and hope he'll soon be feeling up to a sail with Spelly.
Flyhawk I wish you all the best with your upcoming surgery.
Darn it I hate this getting old thing.
I do most of the driving now and as Wicket said you don't get to see much of the scenery anymore. It's a treat for me to be a passenger for a change.
Grace 2/1/2013 11:10:45 AM Report

Hey there RW..Shakey was a bit jealous that I post stuff just 4 you.
right wing 2/1/2013 11:12:00 AM Report


David O is screwed by the party affiliation either way.
The crew on the Titanic did a great job also but the Captain still took her to the bottom.
right wing 2/1/2013 11:14:02 AM Report


A bit?

Brianne 2/1/2013 11:30:17 AM Report


"My hand is empty, I can't offer you anything, but let me have your pain. It doesn't belong to you." Dodinsky

We are all here with you on your journey to wellness Skipper.

flyhawk25 2/1/2013 12:22:18 PM Report

Brianne...thank you for one of the nicest things ever posted on here.
You are a gem.
Grump 2/1/2013 12:23:24 PM Report

rw Well I feel better now that you have voted for David O's demise. Probably the best sign I have seen yet that he will win. The Sault has shot itself in the foot politically too often already. Keep up the good work.
Pilgrim 2/1/2013 12:25:29 PM Report

I totally agree my age it is a quote that, unfortunately, I may have to use more often than not, when words fail me in sending condolences....
Grump 2/1/2013 12:35:52 PM Report

The Dow just broke 14,000. for the first time since the financial crisis. Rather shocking for the Obama gloom and doom crowd to have to swallow. I wonder if it will occur to some that they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. lol
Grace 2/1/2013 12:42:36 PM Report

Poor Shakey!
right wing 2/1/2013 12:43:02 PM Report

Yes it lasted but a brief moment thanks to one of those evil, corrupt, domonized corporations called Pfizer that liberals love so much.
Zero, zip, nothing to do with Obama.
right wing 2/1/2013 12:51:00 PM Report

Not really shocking Grump, despite Obama's socialism, over the top spending, over taxation and bad economic policies the free market can still pull through.
Imagine how fast the economy would rise if he completely got the hell out of the way.
Grump 2/1/2013 12:52:10 PM Report

rw the master of the fast B.S. retort. Ah well as long as one stays delusional they don't have to face the truth about anything. Rah, rah for the neo-con king.
Grace 2/1/2013 12:54:23 PM Report

Retailers Tell Obama and Congress Jobs Numbers Not Good Enough
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The National Retail Federation today sent the following letter to President Obama and Congress in response to this morning’s jobs numbers:

February 1, 2013
President Barack Obama
The White House
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

Following this morning’s disappointing jobs report and the news earlier this week that our nation’s fragile economic recovery has come to a virtual halt, it is imperative that the White House and Congress immediately make economic growth and job creation their top priority. While there are many other important issues on the agenda, the most pressing need for the millions of out-of-work American families struggling to put dinner on the table is a job. Even though jobs grew in January, the increase in the unemployment rate showed that many Americans still can’t find work.

As the industry that already supports one out of every four U.S. jobs – 42 million working Americans – retail is doing its part to put America back to work. Retailers hired half a million workers during the holiday season, and Walmart, the nation’s largest private employer, recently promised to give a job to every honorably discharged returning veteran who asks for one. Other retailers are quietly conducting hiring programs of their own. But we cannot do it alone. We need Washington to embrace policy positions that help with job creation, and to remove barriers that stand in the way.

NRF is forecasting that retail sales – the daily barometer of U.S. economy – will grow 3.4 percent in 2013. But that number could be significantly higher if not for the payroll tax hike that took effect in January, a Medicare tax hike under health care reform, and the decision during the fiscal cliff debate to raise taxes on the “wealthy” that will harm many not-so-wealthy small business owners.

With job creation and the economy in mind and on behalf of the retail industry and the millions of jobs it supports, we respectfully ask that you support the following initiatives:

•Take advantage of the temporary suspension of the debt ceiling to avoid the drama seen during the fiscal cliff debate and instead craft a fiscal plan for the country that provides both a debt ceiling increase and certainty on comprehensive tax reform in 2013. Economic uncertainty helped hold 2012 holiday season retail sales growth a full percentage point lower than forecast, and must not be repeated.
•Avoid the federal spending cuts scheduled to take effect March 1. In the long term, federal spending must be reduced to balance the budget, but poorly timed government spending cuts played a major role in this week’s poor GDP showing. Congress should adopt a budget and provide for an orderly process for adopting long-term spending reforms as opposed to the blunt budget ax of sequestration.
•Pass comprehensive tax reform that eliminates tax breaks that benefit only a few industries in return for lower tax rates for all businesses large and small alike. Lower taxes will make U.S. companies more competitive and boost job creation.
•Create an immigration system that is agile and responsive and addresses the needs of employers and today’s workforce.
•Remove trade barriers that drive up prices for American consumers while making it difficult to export American goods.
•Delay health care reform mandates that will force employers to cut their payrolls or reduce hours for workers in order to avoid crippling increases in costs for employer-provided health care plans.
•Toss out National Labor Relations Board decisions giving unions an unfair advantage in organizing private workplaces, including “ambush” elections and “micro-unions.”
America desperately needs to put its breadwinners back to work, and to rebuild the sound footing that has made our nation the leader of the world’s economy throughout its history. The retail industry stands ready to support the work of the White House and Congress in achieving that goal.


Matthew Shay
President and CEO
National Retail Federation

As the world’s largest retail trade association and the voice of retail worldwide, NRF represents retailers of all types and sizes, including chain restaurants and industry partners, from the United States and more than 45 countries abroad. Retailers operate more than 3.6 million U.S. establishments that support one in four U.S. jobs – 42 million working Americans. Contributing $2.5 trillion to annual GDP, retail is a daily barometer for the nation’s economy. NRF’s Retail Means Jobs campaign emphasizes the economic importance of retail and encourages policymakers to support a Jobs, Innovation and Consumer Value Agenda aimed at boosting economic growth and job creation.

National Retail Federation
J. Craig Shearman, 202-626-8134

everson 2/1/2013 1:00:50 PM Report

Wow and the economists just ranted that growth has to be slow and steady to hold interest rates.
everson 2/1/2013 1:03:07 PM Report

Stocks are higher today, 150,000 jobs created in the US. Is that not good news????????? Just think the top 1% are now at the tax-free holiday mark. Kuddos to you.
T-rat 2/1/2013 1:36:55 PM Report

Earlier in today's offering there were a lot of comments about 'aging' and getting old. Had that discussion with my doctor recently and he offered me a video link. If you want to stick around longer, give it a look. Could be the most important 9 minutes you've spent in years. There's no preaching, no complicated exercises, no equipment to buy. I broke the 20 minute mile this morning!! I'm on my way.

right wing 2/1/2013 1:40:57 PM Report

Geez Grump, thanks, the master of the fast retort, I like that.
Thanks to my Liberal fan club on here I can add that to, the fastest "googler", the "fastest cut and paster", the "resident expert on everything", "the plagiarizer of everything", you know the old saying, when you encounter a man of rare intellect always ask him what he reads.
T-rat 2/1/2013 1:43:20 PM Report

I know that economics can be difficult to understand, from the right and the left but here's one way to grasp it all. I can almost hear Cliff Claven's voice.


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7..
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since
you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the
cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost
just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20
windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from every body's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's
bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle
of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out
the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began
to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back,
when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get
anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay
the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough
money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how
our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes
will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too
much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up
anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the
atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible
right wing 2/1/2013 1:44:56 PM Report

Now there you go again Grace taking great pleasure in uncovering others' misfortune and then sharing it.

;) .....thanks for posting that one, the truth is like a hot poker to a liberal.
skipper dave 2/1/2013 2:12:52 PM Report

Spelly, don't you dare take Fly out without an invite to another personage having lineage all the way back to Black Bart and yes he wrote the CODE of ethics for Pirates!
And Fly sometimes you make me blush I mean of course a man blush. (whatever the hell that is?) I did bump into a friend this morn who is having all these biopsies done and he was visibly frightened. The other person in the group said don't worry - worrying is like sitting in a rocking chair and rocking, you end up in the same place you started. Jeez more goofy logic that's telling our poor friend to ignore his feelings. No, no and no. If I allow myself to worry (feel) I can then challenge my thinking and possibly with practice change it. Every human being who possess emotions will worry if you don't your unresolved emotions are coming out in the form of heart troubles, cancer, ulcers. To heal you must feel. Unless of course you are singing the "Don't worry be happy". Right!
flyhawk25 2/1/2013 2:13:24 PM Report

I loved the letter from the president of the retailers' group.
For a group who want 'less government' they sure seem to want 'more help'.
Not unlike the bankers, investment guys and other bigger businesses.
You remember those crooks don't you? The ones who were 'too big to fail', failed and then came crying for government hand-outs.
So rah rah for Walmart because they love veterans and puppies. In fact that's why they buy wholesale from China and say 'whoops!' if those puppies turn up in the food chain.
How about they donate a billion to veterans' hospitals if they are so patriotic?
Oh...that's the government's job.
learningaswego 2/1/2013 2:33:57 PM Report

Great stuff, T-rat, both on the "economics" of taxes, and the health item - it's bizarre how something so simple, so do-able, so widely known, and so proven effective....can "escape" so many.
Oldie Goldie 2/1/2013 3:23:33 PM Report

It is one thing for the Supreme Court to allow workers to be last in line if a Company files for Bankruptcy after they under-funded their Pension Plan but they should have enforced laws to make Companies keep their Pension Plans fully funded.

It smacks of the Supreme Court protecting the Big Money changers over the Rights of workers.

It will allow Companies to under-fund their Pension Plans at their liking and workers cannot challenge it.

Watch for many Companies to continue to under-fund their Pension Plans without telling anyone until they become Bankrupt.

It is alleged that Conrad Black took money from the Dominion Stores plan just before they went Bankrupt and left many workers with big shortfalls that they could do nothing about.

The Supreme Court decision will promote these kinds of raiding Pension Plans before the Companies declare Bankruptcies.

That is not a good decision by our Highest Court. After all is said and done the Pensions for the Members of the Supreme Court will always be fully funded at the expense of the Tax Payers.
Grump 2/1/2013 5:04:55 PM Report

Oldie Goldie you are right. First of all I'm not a lefty but I'm a business owner. That said there is something fundamentally wrong letting companies underfund their pension obligations and then putting the fat cat creditors ahead of the workers. If they were lumped together it would at least seem somewhat fair. Great to be a little guy isn't it?
sparks7 2/1/2013 7:17:53 PM Report


I sure hear you guys on that one! If any body is interested in forming a group to protest this,let me know. We could march for 30 minutes a day and kill two birds with one stone.
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