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Liberal Convention Ontario 2013

Saturday, January 26, 2013   by: Mac Headrick

 

The Liberal Party of Ontario is meeting in Toronto today to select a new leader. This will be the subject of today’s column. My intention is to update it as results become available. I suppose conventional political wisdom would dictate that regardless of whoever becomes the next Liberal leader, their reign will be short lived. The longer a party is in power the more political baggage it collects. Add to this the ongoing war with the unions, a struggling economy and a massive deficit and defeat at the polls should be automatic. 

The only thing that the Liberals have going for them is Tim Hudak. The Conservative Party of Ontario has snatched election defeat from the jaws of victory in the last two elections. I believe the Liberals actually believe they have a chance to remain in power. This belief will guide their voting today. As for a prediction l will go with Sandra Pupatello. I believe if Mrs. Pupatello succeeds her election will benefit the political aspirations of our representative David Orazietti. Translation David will get a shot at a cabinet position.

Anyways consider this column as a work in progress. Please feel free to comment and check back. After the second ballot Sandra Pupatello had a slim lead but Charles Sousa and Gerald Kennedy both went over to Kathleen Wynne. Final result; Wynne 1150 votes to Pupatello 866. 

What does the selection of Kathleen Wynne mean to the Liberal Party and Ontario politics? Your guess is as good (or better) than mine. Listed below are my initial gut reactions to the Wynne selection and the approach she will take in the legislature. 

  1. While there was a leadership race being decided in the old Maple Leaf Gardens a large union rally was taking place outside. I expect all the major Ontario unions (education and provincial employees) will be contacted within the next 48 hours by the newly elected Premier Wynne. Wynne has stated very clearly she wants the opportunity to rebuild the strained relationship between them and the Liberal government. Premiere Wynne was handed a significant gift this week from Tim Hudak when he promised to temporairily eliminate junior kindergarten while laying off thousands of support jobs. The Liberal Party of Ontario needs labour peace. The education and government unions do not want to see a Conservative majority. Perhaps predicting a future love-in might be excessive but l believe all sides in the labour dispute are motivated to achieve some sort of labour peace.
  2. I do not believe given their present standings in the polls that the Liberal Party wants an election at this time. The Liberals could go lower in the polls but l am betting they would rather wait. In this regard Wynne will reach out to both parties to find common ground.
  3. Now l stated “both parties” above but of course the potential for agreement is significantly more between the Liberal and NDP parties. In this regard l believe Andrea Horwath and Kathleen Wynne can work together. Now of course the NDP and/or the Liberals soar by 20% in the polls and all bets are off.
  4. No political party wants to be seen as forcing an unnecessary election. Of course it is a game played out by all political parties. For the time being the Liberals and NDP will play nice. I am not sure about the Conservatives. Tim Hudak seems more partial to forcing the government’s hand.
  5. I expect the Legislature to be recalled almost immediately.
  6. Last but not least there shouldn’t  be any more photo-ops with the smiling face of Dalton McGuinty. 

As l see it history was made by the selection of the first female Premier of Ontario. Now the question is how long will Kathleen Wynne survive in this position?

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Mr. Poster 1/26/2013 10:36:19 AM Report

I have fallen out of love for the Liberals. The best thing about McGuilty "RETIRING" is that we will not have to look at that smirky snake oil salesman ever again on the newscasts. I would love to vote anything but Liberal....but Hudak is a clone of Mike Harris. Am I ever going to forgive what the NDP's Bob Rae did? This may be my first election to not vote...sad I know.
right wing 1/26/2013 11:25:28 AM Report

At least Mike Harris make the tough decisions and did what had to be done.
Ontario was left a mess by the NDP.
Now we have the Libs and what a nightmare they have created.
What McGuinty has done to us is going to pale in comparison.
The conservatives are a shoe in with the next election.

Read the link below.

Thanks Liberals...."Green energy", what a scam!


http://tinyurl.com/art67za

Grump 1/26/2013 12:41:42 PM Report

Well rw with your endorsement I'm sure Sandra will be a shoe-in. Thanks for the help again.
mac headrick 1/26/2013 2:44:04 PM Report

right wing logic would indicate that the Comservatives should win.

But and there is always a but they have lost the last two elections when in theory they had a great chance of winning. Now Tim Hudak certainly clearly states his position(s). I just don't think he is the guy.

When you stated sho-in l'm curious minority or majority.
right wing 1/26/2013 5:25:38 PM Report

Majority Mac.
The Liberals have sold Ontario down the drain.
There is not a union out there that will vote for them.
With votes split between the NDP and some die hard Libs the conservatives will walk up the middle just like they did in the Federal election.

Grump

We shall see, won't we.
At least I have the balls to call something and stick by it.
Unlike your daily repetitive Harper hating blabber.
Grump 1/26/2013 7:11:15 PM Report

rw You must be delusional because I haven't mentioned Harper in days so try some other rant that's at least close to fact instead of your normal selected BS.
right wing 1/26/2013 7:32:47 PM Report

Poll from January 13th 2013

If an election was held tomorrow.

Conservatives 45 seats, mostly in smaller cities and rural regions; the Liberals would have 35 seats, disproportionately in the GTA and urban suburbs; and the NDP with 27 seats, largely in the north and certain urban core areas.
Sam C 1/26/2013 10:14:39 PM Report

One thing to remember about Mike Harris... he said what he was going to do, and he did it. Not everyone liked what he did, but there were no surprises.
Sam C 1/26/2013 10:17:06 PM Report

rw... I agree with your assessment, but the Conservatives may have to "walk up the middle" without my vote. I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote for Hudak.

Then again, given the choice of him, Wynne or Horvath... Does anyone have a 3-sided coin?
KDawg 1/27/2013 11:47:19 AM Report

Given how McGuinty and the Liberals have destroyed Ontario's economy, and shelacked the taxpayers for Billions in corruption and cronyism, I am amazed ANYONE would vote for the Liberals.

Do you actually think changing the face of the liberal party would make a difference?
mac headrick 1/27/2013 5:03:48 PM Report

KDawg it would be extremely difficult to anger with your point. By any criteria the Liberals should experience a crushing defeat in the next election.

Two points look at the track record of the Conservatives in Ontario elections.

Secondly the unions have declared they will never vote Liberal again. That does beg the question who then are they going to vote for. Besides this watch and see how successful Wynne is at mending fences with the teachers and other unions.

KDawy you have logic and common sense on your side.
mac headrick 1/27/2013 5:09:34 PM Report

Sorry l ment to write "argue" not "anger".
Oldie Goldie 1/27/2013 5:59:38 PM Report

In the final balloting the Liberal Candidates were never going to let a Non-Torontonian become Premier.

Gerard Kennedy was the " King Maker " for Dion and, again, Gerard Kennedy was the " Queen Maker " for Wynne. What does that tell us about Gerard Kennedy ? He picks losers.

I feel rather sorry for Ms. Wynne because she has to bear the brunt for what McGuinty did to Ontario.

Hudak and McGuinty teamed together to force the Unions into submission with Bill 115--which the Liberals now agree was a big mistake and they want to repeal it after the damage has been done.
Oldie Goldie 1/27/2013 6:04:55 PM Report

Right Wing--What makes you think that the N.D.P. and Bob Rae left a big mess in Ontario. The messes left by both Mike Harris and McGuinty were far worse than whatever Bob Rae did.

Ontario has never been further in the hole than after Harris and McGuinty.

And you really think that Hudak will win the next Ontario Election.

Once again, you are wearing Conservative rose coloured glasses.
right wing 1/28/2013 10:40:32 AM Report

...you kidding, right?
No I suppose not, it's "pit bull" Oldie.

Sure whatever you want to believe there Oldie, after all, your a senior...you've earned it.
right wing 1/28/2013 12:49:51 PM Report

6. Last but not least there shouldn’t be any more photo-ops with the smiling face of Dalton McGuinty.


Mac, you meant smug face, didn't you.....
learningaswego 1/29/2013 2:09:41 PM Report

I am a small "c" conservative / blue liberal, who often votes Liberal, but the fiascos (some yet to even be on the radar of Ontarians, I suggest) under McSquinty are just too large and too numerous to abide.

On the other hand, I don't know if the Conservatives can win, because Hudak just does not resonate with average voter, I don't think. He's just not viewed as "likeable", which in elections today matters far more (regrettably) than policy, achievement, qualifications, it seems. With even a marginally more "likeable" leader, I think the Conservatives would win the next one by a landslide. With Hudak? not so much.
Now, this observer of politics also predicted that the Liberals would "never" win an election with McSquinty at the helm; so if you're a betting person, my advice would be...ignore the advice.
Norm 1/30/2013 2:18:46 PM Report

Let's have an election to see who the people of Ontario want as Premier. Also there's talk of Essar looking at doing something with the pensions in this there contract year. Apparently Orizetti is for Essar looking into pensioner's, perhaps trying to reduce that income. Have to learn more on that. There's thousands of steelworkers on pension, David O would be wise to take a stand for those on pension, that is a lot of votes. If I'm wrong, then please correct me.
Oldie Goldie 1/30/2013 5:37:06 PM Report

Norm: The only Pensions that Essar can do anything about are those that Retired recently---Many Pensioners--about 10,000 of them---have Annuities that cannot be altered---This was done after the 2001 restructuring.

Essar may have under-funded the Pension Plan since they took over but those Pensions are the only ones that can be altered.

Some Pensioners that are on Annuities have another portion of their total Pension subject to Essar Operations---It is possible to underfund that part too but it only amounts to between 10 % and 30 % of their remaining Pension that is not Annuitized and that, too, will be Annuitized by 2016 and even if Essar shuts down a large portion of the 10% to 30% has already been set aside.

The ones who are working there now could find their Pensions short-changed but I am not aware of the totals of those short falls.

The Provincial Government has just granted to Essar a Pension relief for those that are there now for one year.
Oldie Goldie 1/30/2013 8:24:18 PM Report

Right Wing---According to your guess of seats after the next Ontario Election Hudak wins a Minority Government---In my opinion his Minority won't last long and another election will follow soon after because the Liberals and the N.D.P. will join long enough to oust him
--Then where are we ?
By the way --the New Democrats became the experts at coming up the middle in the 1990 Election and it could happen again--It is just as likely as Hudak winning a Minority.
Norm 1/30/2013 9:19:29 PM Report

Thanks Oldie. Just wondered, our pensions are pretty small now.
right wing 1/31/2013 11:27:23 AM Report

The NDP will be kicked out of Quebec during the next Federal election.
The NDP had their time in Ontario and those memories will be easily refreshed.

I agree that Hudak has an issue with "likeability" and as much as I wish voters would use the grey matter between their ears more, many vote based on "likeability".
...but hey, I always thought McGuinty had a smug face and an aurora of arrogance about him and he won twice...don't discount Hudak to easily.
Oldie Goldie 1/31/2013 1:04:21 PM Report

Harris had his time in Ontario too and many will remember the mess he made---Hudak will have to overcome that Legacy and the Minority Conservative Government that is being projected by some posters will not solve anything except anpther Election.
right wing 1/31/2013 2:36:58 PM Report

Mess he made...what a crock, mess he had to clean up after the NDP.
Oldie Goldie 1/31/2013 5:13:36 PM Report

Right Wing---To you a 22% cut in Welfare payments is a good thing because that is the way you think---Ask the thousands of low-income people how they survived the 22% cut and you will hear a different story.
Yes--Mike Harris made a lot of cuts in Ontario but still left a 5 Billion Dollar deficit for McGuinty---or at least that is what McGuinty said !
Was it any wonder to you why Mike Harris was a One-Term Premier !

In my opinion Hudak will be a One-Term Premier---if he makes it in the next Election.

Mike Harris was supposed to be good for Northern Ontario because he lived in North Bay---But once he saw the good life of Toronto he never returned to the North.
right wing 1/31/2013 5:16:39 PM Report

...the NDP left Ontario a mess.
Mike Harris cleaned it up.
Pissed off some arrogant union folks, but who cares, he did what he said he was going to do and that was that.
RLE 2/1/2013 6:13:34 AM Report

When first elected,the Liberals, locally,did some things with which I agreed like building new schools and a new hospital. However as time passed they seemed like they couldn't stop spending and ended up funding things that were nice to do but given a changing economic circumstance we could no longer afford

Having said that, I keep telling myself that I won't vote Liberal and then I consider the alternatives. It sort of reminds me of acknowledging that it's not pleasant to grow old, until you consider the alternative,
Mr. Poster 2/1/2013 7:12:09 AM Report

David O can only get elected if he changes parties ?? Will he jump to the NDP in order to ensure a seat? Will he come to the conclusion that the LIBS are done in this union city? Will he realize we rarely elect a CON in this city? Will he try to save his job by jumping to the local party that will likely see SSM going NDP?
Mr. Poster 2/1/2013 7:12:49 AM Report

David O can only get elected if he changes parties ?? Will he jump to the NDP in order to ensure a seat? Will he come to the conclusion that the LIBS are done in this union city? Will he realize we rarely elect a CON in this city? Will he try to save his job by jumping to the local party that will likely see SSM going NDP?
Norm 2/1/2013 8:39:21 PM Report

The Soo needs a high profile guy to run NDP. I don't think David O will jump ship. He thinks he has the Soo wrapped up for sometime to come. The NDP will likely form the next Ontario Government.
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