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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Jan. 16 2013

Wednesday, January 16, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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itsky123 1/16/2013 5:25:28 AM Report

Good morning all, it is going to be a good day.
A few days ago I was visiting a friend on St.Joseph Island for a few days. While sitting there, I could feel the crispness of the night, a chill up my back. In the distance I could hear a dog barking, and some traffic on the highway.
The moon was shinning through a crack in the wall, I could even see my breath.
It reminded me of my youth, it was tough times, but now it is a good memory.
Boy...those were the days..well...I dont miss those old out a good day all.
skipper dave 1/16/2013 6:06:11 AM Report

good morning sweet Soo!
Ah itsky wonderful, set the tone for today. I get the morning off from SAH so I can follow.
Prejudice in our family of origin, Damn right, one girl six boys. Me Mom and sister had access to the chamber pot at night the boys had to make a run for it. Amazing how yellow the snow got off the back step at night. of course our out house was top of the line with one of those little car heaters run off an extension chord from the house (sweet). We had central air of sorts we had a big Quebec heater in the living room (it had not decided to separate yet) And large grill openings in the hallway upstairs. When you loaded it up with coal (east coast) at night it would glow cherry red. It was the boys job to run to the coal shed in the morning and feed the behemoth as well as the kitchen stove. His reward was he got to stick his feet in the oven while both warmed up. Remember Jack Frosts art work on the windows or the vibrating panes of glass during a storm? Do remember snow days when walking to school was harder and we had to travel as slow as the youngest as this was a collective effort. Also a snow day meant the driveway awaited on your homecoming (talk about bringing out the worst in sibling relationships) and we didn't have a car. it was shovelled strictly for status and just in case some big shot with a car wanted to visit my coal mining dad with seven snotty nosed kids. Ah the good old days, like hell - Here I sit in P.j's and T-shirt with a hot cup of coffee listening to the hum of the gas furnace in the bowels of the house, the rest of the family slumbers in their own bedrooms with clear triple glazed windows (unheard of) and the driveway is ploughed for my car while the wife's soccer mom van resides in the attached garage. Wonder if this big shot should go visit a big poor family just to remind them how very poor they are, they probably don't even know?
skipper dave 1/16/2013 6:08:38 AM Report

Fly, good buddy - update on the lift?
itsky123 1/16/2013 6:12:09 AM Report

Well Skipper...We only had a 1 neighbour had a 2 seater..boy those rich people used to piss me ya have a great day off from the vampires
skipper dave 1/16/2013 6:15:46 AM Report

P.S. Fly I lit a candle and sent a request to the Vatican, seat of the one true holy roman Catlick faith. Crazy buggers replied saying they too were going to light a candle and pray to the spirit of Saint Otis for a miracle. your on the list. Psst, that little memo cost me a twenty, wonder what they do with all the money. When you ask the pope threatens to go on a hunger strike till you go away. have I left anybody out?
itsky123 1/16/2013 6:15:53 AM Report

Skipper,....I was from the island, on the D line, . we still have a place there
My mother was born there, maiden name was lots of cousins there.
bounder 1/16/2013 7:19:24 AM Report

You guys don,t what cold is ,cold is when it's frozen before it hits the ground from the backdeck.
Grump 1/16/2013 7:19:33 AM Report

Good morning everyone. I don't know who asked to have this damn winter back but I would like to have a talk to them about that. Itsky123, I know many of your relatives and my wife and I often sit with one of them at church. You are right there are a few of you around. Skipper glad you got a day off. I'm finished at the hotel and have started the next one out of town. My wife was all broken up, She said " work hard, send money and stay as long as you like". It's sure great to be appreciated. lol. Have a great day all.
Grump 1/16/2013 7:23:19 AM Report

Bounder I have winter built in Iroquois Falls, Cochrane, Hornepayne and various other tropical climes. These Government types seem to have a penchant for winter construction
itsky123 1/16/2013 7:39:31 AM Report

I beg to differ with you...It is cold out side when "it" gets frozen to your zipper...lmao
bounder 1/16/2013 8:00:39 AM Report

Winter built is a choice,peeing is not,when you gotta go you go.LOL.
Javaman 1/16/2013 8:01:07 AM Report

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh those days when in our youth we placed our toungue on a metal pipe at 30 below to see if our toungues would REALLY stICk..THEY DID...ouch.
bounder 1/16/2013 8:23:30 AM Report

I,ve got some old pic,s from the old days,not from here but Eastern Quebec,we had to crawl out the second story windows to leave the house.In the middle of the street we could touch the bell wires,boy my Dad gave us crap for that one.
right wing 1/16/2013 8:24:32 AM Report

I never did that as I had witnessed a neighborhood kid get stuck to a screen door.
Stupid is as stupid does.
itsky123 1/16/2013 8:26:51 AM Report

When I was young and innocent (innocent now ) I had a friend who lived in the sault. In the summer he would come down to the Island and spend a week or so with our family. He , (being a city kid), found it boring on the Island, wanted to play pool, because thats what he did in the Sault on Queen street. Well we only had 1 pool place to go in Richards Landing, at the reataurant.
I suggested fishing..ha had never been fishing( back then you didn,t need a licence) away we went, with fishing gear in hand.( like OPEY, on Andy Griffin show)..well...he caught his fist fish ever, thought he was going to jump in after it. a 8 lb we went swimming at the dock..he thought that was great..(didnt have to pay to swim.) sum it all up..St Joe Island wasnt so bad after all..The following year he bought a fishing rod and such of his own... You see back then there was no reason to be bored, there was always something to do, instead of sitting in front of the TV.(or now days with a cell phone or I pad etc.)I see him from time to time and he said those were the good old days.
Nothing much has changed since those days,Ya just got to get off your butt and get out and smell the fresh air and be active.
right wing 1/16/2013 8:33:19 AM Report

I also used to hang out in Richards during the summer with a friend that lived there.
(hint...his dad was a Judge)
I remember playing pool in that restaurant.
It was a big old slate table with leather pockets.
Once you learned the "hills and valleys" of the table you could actually play O.K.
Our other visit was to the Saturday night dance hall out in the "sticks" I think it was called the Dew Drop?
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 8:35:25 AM Report

skipper dave...whatever you did worked!
On Saturday the beast was repaired after 46 days.
Seems that an old engineer with the repair company in Toronto refused to listen to the advice of a young newly minted expert and just replace the whole thing over six months. He took it as his own pet project to create a new system that married the lift to a digital thingy from analog - or vice versa - or whatever.
It is running like a sports car.
Better notify the Vatican and start your process of canonization.
It is another miracle.
itsky123 1/16/2013 8:44:23 AM Report

Right Wing
You are right about the tables..the owner was LEO. That building was a garage befor it was a restaurant and pool
right wing 1/16/2013 8:47:08 AM Report

Now to the best topic of all...U.S. politics!
Obama is going to present his plan today on gun violence.

From MSN News.

"According to a lobbyist briefed Tuesday, Obama will present a three-part plan focused on gun violence, education and mental health. He'll call for:

- A focus on universal background checks. Right now some 40 per cent of gun sales take place without background checks, including by private sellers at gun shows or over the internet, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

- A ban on assault weapons and limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds or fewer.

- A federal statute to stop "straw man" purchases of guns and crack down on trafficking rings.

- More anti-bullying efforts.

- More training for teachers, counsellors and principals.

- Funding for schools for more counsellors and resource officers.

Obama also will order federal agencies to conduct more research on gun use and crimes, the lobbyist said, something Republican congressional majorities have limited through language in budget bills."

This is going to be the same as blowing up a paper bag and popping get a loud bang that makes folks jump but in the end all you have is a ripped paper bag.
right wing 1/16/2013 8:48:35 AM Report


Well if "Leo" was a Chinese fellow than that is who owned it when we darkened the doorway.
Javaman 1/16/2013 8:51:04 AM Report

I recall,fondly, drinking from the dipper in a galvanized pail at the rink shack on North Street. Those were the days we had a heated shack and a caretaker to keep the ice in top condition. We used to help the guy clean off the rink so we could enjoy it faster. I recall looking up at the big dipper as we proceeded to the rink and never thought anything about a temperature of -30(on the old temp scale).We had a lot of fun and no one died from SHARING that dipper for a drink. Can you imagine putting out a pail and a dipper today?
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 8:53:50 AM Report

The NRA has started its campaign ridiculing President Obama for having his kids in private school with high tech security.
Seems they think he is guilty of a double standard and want his girls to be at risk like everyone else.
It makes perfect sense I suppose.
If you are dumb enough to think having the first family's daughters getting shot will keep everyone else safe.
bounder 1/16/2013 8:59:02 AM Report

NO no no no no,politics before 9.00am that's the rules.What the heck had two periods after the word rules and could'nt remove one,turns out it was fly crap,I think.
right wing 1/16/2013 9:02:16 AM Report

Speaking of typical...typical left wing blabber...

Yes that is what "they" want, the presidents daughters to get shot.
Good grief.


Do I sound like a guy that follows rules....
right wing 1/16/2013 9:05:29 AM Report


Yes the good old days.
As in good thing you did not drink daily from that galvanized pail, it's called zinc poisoning.
It is why they outlawed galvanized piping, fittings, etc, from use with potable water.
bounder 1/16/2013 9:11:21 AM Report

Right Wing,obviously not.ha ha.
bounder 1/16/2013 9:15:13 AM Report

Ah galvanized pipe is safe now and now meets ANSI standard 61 since 1986.
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 9:21:04 AM Report

right wing...nice to see that you have returned.
I hope your time at the Neo-Con Think Tank went swimmingly. It apppears you bought a new batch of Boehner Bile.
Now - do you want to take that bet or just continue to stick your tongue out and run?
66cherokee 1/16/2013 9:35:21 AM Report

We've been told that there would be road blockades today? Any of them for the Sault? My elderly sick neighbour has to go there and I don't see anything in the local news. Can anyone help me about that. Thanks.
Right Winger 1/16/2013 9:38:25 AM Report

Bridge today, highways Friday.

What is up with sootoday not reporting this. Sault Star had it early this morning.

Right Winger 1/16/2013 9:39:10 AM Report

All you Obama folk out there, take a look at the newest spokesperson for the Pro Life Movement
Big Bad Bob 1/16/2013 9:59:23 AM Report

I’m an Obama person to the extent that I respect him as the duly elected President of the United States, our most important neighbour. As for the affairs of that state, I am interested in them only to the extent that they are of any consequence for Canada and/or our country’s interests. Concerning those of that country’s internal affairs which are strictly its own business and its own right, I don’t care a tinker’s damn about them other than wishing our neighbours well.
Javaman 1/16/2013 10:05:05 AM Report

Methinks it is time for Mr. Harper to address the nation on just what is happening with the native situation....before it gets more ugly.
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 10:24:54 AM Report

right wing...your silence over the possible Harper/Trudeau race is deafening.
Seems the old adage 'put up or...' has kicked in.
Wicket 1/16/2013 10:34:17 AM Report

Two hole outhouses, whoever had companions when a 'job' had to be done? Would guess that mostly guys did the sharing. I can remember waiting outside while a female friend was inside at the camp outhouse, never did we go in together - lol...
Wicket 1/16/2013 10:39:31 AM Report

Just listened to the OPP commissioner on the activity of the police services during the Idle No More protests across the province. He said that the First Nations had the ability to shut down the roads, sounded like "without consequences". Then later said that charges could be laid. Confusing again, do not the provincial laws also apply to First Nations? Or, because it is peaceful and the police are being kept in the loop by the organizers, then it is legal? Can anyone organize, notify the police and do the same? So many questions, so few ambiguous answers...
Javaman 1/16/2013 10:43:28 AM Report

No action by police prevents a civil war type atmosphere. Charging them could be the tipping point from which there is no return. Question is...should they be allowed to intimidate without consequences?
Wicket 1/16/2013 10:44:02 AM Report

WHY is this not in the news of SooToday??

"SAULT STE. MARIE - Indigenous people outside of Garden River First Nation will demonstrate on the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie today from noon until 5:00 p.m., as part of the Idle No More movement, a First Nation spokesperson announced Tuesday.

Garden River residents had planned to be part of the demonstration, which will include handed out information to the public. However, due to a death in the community, Garden River will not be actively involved in the event.

Lesley Belleau also announced Tuesday that Garden River is “planning a road blockade and demonstration” of Highway 17 East A, on Friday, Jan. 18, from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. Hwy. 17 B will be closed to through traffic during the demonstration.

Traffic along the Trans Canada Highway will be stopped for about 15 minutes every hour on Friday, Belleau said.

She said the blockade will be peaceful and seeks to raise awareness of “governmental actions that are discord against the sovereign people of Canada.”

“This is a peaceful demonstration that acts to inform,” Belleau stated.

The public is encouraged to support and to join the efforts of demonstrators, she said."

The public NEEDS to know about this...
Just Curious 1/16/2013 10:46:41 AM Report

I just listened to it too,Wicket,and have the same questions you do.This mealy-mouth is scared to death of another Ipperwash and doesn't want to lose his pension.In my humble opinion,inactivity on these blockages is only going to increase tensions all the way around..
Nunavut 1/16/2013 10:53:19 AM Report

So they are breaking their own Robinson treaties when they close our crown designated highway for 15 minutes an hour. They would also be breaking the contract they signed with the MTO when the got the millions of dollars to allow the Highway thru their reserve and the construction and maintenance of it.
Treaty their fore fathers signed states :
“The Ojibway,Cree and other chiefs and headmen on their own behalf of all Indians whom they represent,do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strict observe this treaty,and also to conduct themselves as good loyal subjects of His Majesty the King.”
“They promise and engage that they will in all respects ,obey and abide by the law;that they will maintain peace between each other and between themselves and others of His majesty's subjects,whether Indians,half-breeds or whites,this year inhabiting and here after to inhabit part of said ceded territory; and they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tract,or any other district or country,or interfere with any or trouble any person passing or traveling through said tract,or any part thereof, and that they will assist the officers of his Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty,or infringing the law in force in the country so ceded.”
Left Winger 1/16/2013 10:57:23 AM Report

While watching Canada AM this morning saw a commerical for young people who are being bullied. It was the theme song of the commercial that caught my attention and brought to mind all of the hatred being spewed - I think this song should be SSMarie's un-official theme song with a few modifications - "Show your True Colours" by Madonna.

Come on SSMarie show your true clours tell us how you truly feel about our neighbours....

Perhaps Sootoday needs to have one day where all of the hatred and intolerant postings can be left on the board so all of the world can see SSMaire cizitens True Colours. "Don't be afraid to show your True Colours Day".

Posters can post without fear of reprisal or posting rights revoked. Perhaps we can have a Poll to see how many are in favour of creating such a day.....

I think it would very therapeutic for quite a few of these posters
bounder 1/16/2013 10:59:24 AM Report

Mexico city 20million strong.
What a great idea they have and are currently using,HOY NO CIRCULA,no vehicles allowed.Fantastic thing, no vehicles once a week can be used.
Something we should be doing in any town or city.
old-cat33 1/16/2013 11:06:24 AM Report

Re: Yesterdays post: Chief Clarence Louie from B.C reminds me of my beloved grand mother.
Here's what she would say when I was growing up:
#1.You want to borrow the car? Get a job and buy your own.
#2.You want to smoke? Get a job and buy your own.
#3.You don't like the food that is put on the table? When YOU get a job and pay for it yourself then you can complain.
#4.Didn't like the colour of the clothes we got you for school? When you get a job then you can pick your own.

Now the bottom line was Get off your ass and get to work ! Which I did. She hated the word Welfare and Unemployment Insurance.Call it old school but I learned my lesson and now I handed it down to my kids and grand kids.Be proud that you are Native but not a lazy one.She would also say pull up your pants and button your shirt and quit looking like a DP? What ever that meant? Never did question that remark.
highway1 1/16/2013 11:08:44 AM Report

nunavut, these actions are a direct response to Canada's habit of not upholding treaty agreements, lying about it and acting like the treaties don't exist.
bounder 1/16/2013 11:09:17 AM Report

I've been reading a lot of post re:Indian, Metis, Non status indian,and it's very easy to pick out those that don't have mixed native blood or are not Indians.I would assume that if the shoe was on the other foot ,I would be reading a more postive post in favour on the aformentioned groups.Meegwich.
bounder 1/16/2013 11:10:46 AM Report

DP=Deported person.
Dreamer 1/16/2013 11:13:23 AM Report

DP = Displaced Person ?
bounder 1/16/2013 11:23:11 AM Report

DP=Departed person.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 11:32:24 AM Report

WHAT no takers on my proposal?
mallet 1/16/2013 11:46:25 AM Report

You would be the first one in line to post then left!
Niigaanis 1/16/2013 11:50:06 AM Report

Boo -

No, I will be first in line.....
Niigaanis 1/16/2013 11:52:17 AM Report

BIG BROTHER 1/16/2013 11:52:37 AM Report

You could be my brother, cause your Mom sounds familiar to me.
Wicket 1/16/2013 11:54:38 AM Report

DP meant displaced person and was a term coined in the U.S. It did not apply to anyone who moved to Canada because Canada's immigration laws allowed for anyone to move here, regardless of their home country status. DP used in the Soo was a very derogatory term used mainly in conjunction with Italians who imigrated here in large numbers in the fifties. It was funny (and not nice) to hear 2nd generation Italians refer to their relatives who were new-comers by that term, if they didn't like them.
Sam C 1/16/2013 11:56:25 AM Report

Wicket... " Can anyone organize, notify the police and do the same?"


The teachers did it last month.
The Rotary Club does it twice a year.
The Legion does it annually.

Various groups do, from time to time, apply for road closures for assemblies or parades, etc.
Wicket 1/16/2013 11:57:09 AM Report

Left Winger, I believe that citizens of our area have a unique situation in that the natives can hold us hostage because they border our city limit on the east and can shut down the highway and seriously disrupt other's lives. The impact in other areas of Ontario is not as great as there are alternative routes to take. We are not that fortunate.
Thus, the frustration and anger.
itsky123 1/16/2013 11:58:14 AM Report

LOL..ya didnt go with a was a big seat for adults and a smaller one for kids...roflmao..If there was no small one for kids....well.....ya might loose one..:-)
Wicket 1/16/2013 11:59:34 AM Report

Thanks for the answer Sam...
NOW, all you complainers, haters, etc. get together and organize your own LEGAL protest and close down the highway at the city limits....
Ya, like anyone would take the initiative to do that, it is always easier to run off at the mouth than do anything...that might be constructive.
Wicket 1/16/2013 12:01:27 PM Report

itsky..... not in our outhouse, my Dad made the holes the same size and they had a toilet seat for comfort..with four kids and two adults, I guess he thought we would share bathroom duties - didn't happen.
redranger 1/16/2013 12:03:06 PM Report

Can the collected wisdom of the room answer a question?
Is an employer able to reprimand, dock pay or even terminate an employee who was late to work because he/she was delayed by a F.N. blockade?
Wisenheimer 1/16/2013 12:10:28 PM Report

Anybody out there naive enough (let me answer "yes") that thinks Obama's kids wouldn't be in private schools with armed security if he wasn't President?
Wisenheimer 1/16/2013 12:19:07 PM Report

yes redranger .. "the dog ate my homework" or "I forgot to change my clock" doesn't work either.
Wicket 1/16/2013 12:20:13 PM Report

Wisen... why don't you google it and see if they were in a private school in Chicago before he became president? And, of course, there would be no need for security if he wasn't president. And, didn't all presidential children attend private school with security because that is how they do it!!!
Wicket 1/16/2013 12:23:32 PM Report

Gawd, I can't get over the comments/questions about things that don't matter to anyone but seem to be foremost on someone's mind. In most cases, who the heck cares!
Just like Lance Armstrong doping, has-been, don't care...
If the media would leave things alone, so-called news stories would just die because most of us don't care about so-called celebrities or public figures.
Wicket 1/16/2013 12:25:02 PM Report

redranger....if you think your employer may do this, be pro-active and ask before it happens, simple solution.
nikapeakin 1/16/2013 12:33:00 PM Report

redranger 1/16/2013 12:35:19 PM Report

..and Wicket, what do I do if my employer says he will dock my pay? Do I bring a note from my mother to those manning the roadblock?
bounder 1/16/2013 12:41:32 PM Report

Does'nt matter ,both of you are talking about the same thing,you want to keep all your money and they want more all in accordance with the treaties. It boils down to, money money money.
Tom_Bom 1/16/2013 12:58:48 PM Report

Sootoday put a blockade on the comments section on the story about a blockade.

theprotector 1/16/2013 1:02:12 PM Report

wicket, there is no point in trying, many here beleive everything they read with no common sense. its not worth blowing a gasket over.
Canna D. Yenn 1/16/2013 1:02:19 PM Report

The earlier chat about 2-holer outhouses, off-the-porch yellow-snow bladder bursts, and iron pipe temperature tongue testers reminds me of how our language has changed. There are all kinds of examples on the 'net, of course, but for me, back in the ‘50s....

I didn’t have a bathrobe, I had a kimono, no doubt a carry-over from WWII;

The Indian list was not a collection of First Nations demands, but any prohibition list of names, Indian or white;

A boob was a rather dim-witted person, later a name for a TV, the boob tube;

Homo referred to a quart of milk, a luxury in my shack because our milk came condensed in a can or as a powder in a box to which we had to add water (not PUC) to make it palatable;

I still have a silent chuckle when I order a Long John and pick it up at a Timmie’s drive-through window.
bounder 1/16/2013 1:04:39 PM Report

I do hope Soo To-day does the same blocker for the annual labour day walk on the International bridge.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 1:10:06 PM Report

"Can the collected wisdom of the room answer a question?"

Bawahaahaa, that's the best I've seen posted here in a long time....rotflmfao........
yoyo165 1/16/2013 1:14:16 PM Report

Re: International Bridge 'Blockade'

Before we get too carried away, I just came back from Soo Mich, there is no blockade, just a few people handing out information as you exit the Bridge Plaza.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 1:16:40 PM Report


that's why I posted the question/suggestion of having a day where all of the hatred and racial slurs can be posted without fear of reprisal by the moderators.....

regardless of not having enough detours around such things as road blocks, as long as the proper parper work was submitted, Saultites will have grow thicker skins like the FN peoples have had to over the years when faced with the obvious hatred and racism they face when in Sault Ste. Marie....
Canna D. Yenn 1/16/2013 1:17:42 PM Report

David Letterman has long used his top ten list to poke fun at current hot-button issues and this came to me again today. It’s a couple of years old.

Letterman’s top ten reasons why men prefer guns over women….

- And here we go...
10. You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.
9. You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you're on the road.
8. If you admire a friend's gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times.
7. Your primary gun doesn't mind if you keep another gun for a backup.
6. Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.
5. A gun doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
4. Guns function normally every day of the month.
3. A gun doesn't ask, "Do these new grips make me look fat?"
2. A gun doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you use it.

And the Number One Reason Why Men Prefer Guns over women...

1. You can buy a silencer for a gun!
Wicket 1/16/2013 1:23:49 PM Report

redranger, there are govt offices you can phone, something about employee rights, what an employer can and cannot do. Sounds like your employer is not someone I would like to work for. And there is no need for a smart-a$$, sarcastic comment when someone is trying to help you...oh, but maybe that is something that you would not recognize.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 2:05:08 PM Report

"Estimated crowd of 700 bocking Highway 401 near Windsor, Ontario. Now. Idle No More"

"Barrie, Ontario. Now. 400 Northbound to Duckworth closed. Idle No More"

Just a couple of items pertaining to the road closures in southern ontario today so as you can see they are closing off major highways....
Nunavut 1/16/2013 2:09:08 PM Report

I am tired of those that are native or the few native sympathizers suggesting that us folks that are “ inconvienanced” by the demonstrations just develop thicker skins etc etc.

You have no concept of the stress that these demonstrations, or even the threats of demonstrations, causes on those of us that have to drive the highway daily.
We never know if we will get home at night, we lose sleep upset thinking about whether we can plan for the week. Will we get home to our beds every night. Do we need to book a day off work, Do we need to cancel that Doctor or Dentist appointment, will we be able to visit our relative a certain day or time. Will these escalate further. Where are the Police ? Who can we stay with overnight if we are stuck in Sault ? etc etc

If this keeps up for much longer someone will crack and violence will occur. One only needs to look at the rhetoric and frustration here to see that the aboriginals have gone too far and have lost most if not ALL white support for their cause. But unlike what the Bands would want us to do , to call our MP’s etc……..oh we will call them but we will be stating do not cave to their unreasonable demands, instead we will be stating bring in the Armed Forces or RCMP and haul them off to prison. We will also be much more likely to vote for Governments that will be tougher on these terrorist acts.
One has to ask……if aborginals want to be treated like nations then maybe we should. If Mexico started blockading roads in Arizona, threatening their economy etc , you can be sure the Army would be called in . So should we.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 2:11:40 PM Report

news flash

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper honoured a group of Ontarians with a national community service award Saturday — but a leading activist was vowing to send back her award to show solidarity with the First Nations chief on a high-profile protest.

Maude Barlow, the head of the citizens’ group Council of Canadians, says she plans to send her Diamond Jubilee medal back to the office of Gov. Gen. David Johnston, who oversees the awarding of the copper-silver medals emblazoned with an image of the Queen.

Barlow isn’t alone in returning the award. Author Naomi Klein and singer Sarah Slean said Friday on Twitter they are rejecting offers to receive the medal as a show of support for Idle No More."
Left Winger 1/16/2013 2:16:42 PM Report

You have no concept of the stress that these demonstrations, or even the threats of demonstrations, causes on those of us that have to drive the highway daily.
We never know if we will get home at night, we lose sleep upset thinking about whether we can plan for the week. Will we get home to our beds every night. Do we need to book a day off work, Do we need to cancel that Doctor or Dentist appointment, will we be able to visit our relative a certain day or time. Will these escalate further. Where are the Police ? Who can we stay with overnight if we are stuck in Sault ? etc etc

Get over yourself...there has not been one reported case of someone being held overnight...if you want to ramp up the rethoric with false statements do so on another blog.

Besides I'm sure our city's finest would have a nice warm cot for you if needed...staying up all night worrying baawahaahaaa
Dreamer 1/16/2013 2:16:55 PM Report

Awesome news LW ;) It's getting across! People are starting to wake up and smell the coffee!!
redranger 1/16/2013 2:17:16 PM Report

touche Wicket .,.the questions were rhetorical .. I am a very senior citizen who just works for the pleasure of it now. I was merely asking one of the unanswered questions.. no smart a&&iness intended.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 2:19:13 PM Report

Maybe Time for Third Party Management for Canada -

Finance Minister James Flaherty has quietly announced that he may have underestimated the current-year federal fiscal deficit by $5 billion. He now predicts his books will be in the red to the tune of $26 billion this year, or about $1,000 for every Canadian citizen.

Should Canada's Auditor-General impose Third-Party Management on the Harper government? (What would your boss say if YOU made a $5-billion mistake?)
Dreamer 1/16/2013 2:19:39 PM Report

Nuna - thats what the police do to 'natives' out west! Drop them off outside the skirts of town and make them walk back in below zero temps! It's a known and true fact.
Nunavut 1/16/2013 2:24:29 PM Report

The 1850 Robinson Huron Treaty and the 1850 Robinson Superior Treaty in northern Ontario both say the "Tribes or Bands, do hereby fully, freely, and voluntarily surrender, cede, grant, and convey unto Her Majesty, her heirs and successors for ever, all their right, title, and interest to, and in the whole of, the territory above described, save and except the reservations set forth in the schedule hereunto annexed".
FOR THOSE NOT AWARE CEDE MEANS SURRENDER ! Further more the treaties state

“The Ojibway,Cree and other chiefs and headmen on their own behalf of all Indians whom they represent,do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strict observe this treaty,and also to conduct themselves as good loyal subjects of His Majesty the King.”
“They promise and engage that they will in all respects ,obey and abide by the law;that they will maintain peace between each other and between themselves and others of His majesty's subjects,whether Indians,half-breeds or whites,this year inhabiting and here after to inhabit part of said ceded territory; and they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tract,or any other district or country,or interfere with any or trouble any person passing or traveling through said tract,or any part thereof, and that they will assist the officers of his Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty,or infringing the law in force in the country so ceded.”

Harper is upholding the treaties as they are worded , aboriginals on the other hand are breaking and manipulating the treaties.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 2:35:33 PM Report

now you're cutting and pasting your heros messages - good job...
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 2:45:51 PM Report

Oh right wing...where are you?
Come out, come out wherever you are.
I'm getting weary waiting for you to back up your Harper Hustle with a money bet.
Or is it feeding time on the neo-con chicken ranch?
Wait...did I hear a cluck, cluck? Lurking again are you?
Then again the silence from The Swamp is rather nice...
theprotector 1/16/2013 2:48:55 PM Report

ok....then post the boundries of those agreements - read the rest of it or shut the hell up, how about posting links to the cases that define the treaties or how about the section that incorperates all the treaties into our constitution that protects you from the garbage you spew!
Stress about not getting home or getting to are an idiot for thinking that way, there are guidelines for protests for any group whether it is a first nations protest or a strike or 'occupy" protest. LEARN THE ISSUES, LEARN WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR THIS GROUP AND FOR YOU!

Left Winger 1/16/2013 3:15:05 PM Report

more breaking news

"Toronto-based filmmaker Liz Marshall has declined her Diamond Jubilee medal in support of Idle No More.

Marshall states, “I too have been chosen to receive a Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal, a true honour and I am grateful and humbled.
To be honest, I wasn’t really sure why I had been chosen, as many recipients are Canadian icons, but certainly it has inspired me to think this through.

In light of what is being brought to our collective attention by the Idle No More movement, I won’t be able to receive the medal in good conscience.

As a non-native Canadian I support the message of the Idle No More movement: Our native brothers and sisters must have their Treaty Rights re-addressed, and I am sickened by our government’s profound lack of respect for the environment, as demonstrated with the passing of the 2012 Omnibus legislation.

And so I also join Maude Barlow, Naomi Klein and Sarah Slean, and respectfully decline"
bounder 1/16/2013 3:17:49 PM Report

NANU,nanu,I could'nt resist.
However get the facts, not all nations surrendered their lands nor signed any treaties with the crown,so may they block the roads without breaking any treaties like the Santa Parade,I'll give you one nation if you want to look it up or anybody else for that matter.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 3:18:44 PM Report

"The Council of Canadians will be present at Idle No More protests across the country and we encourage all of our members and supporters to join in this mobilization. Please send us your events and photos so we can add them to our gallery."

hmm I guess some on here must've been mistaken when they said there is no support for the INM...perhaps they mean only in backwater holes such a SSMarie
Grump 1/16/2013 3:26:53 PM Report

Protector it is very hard for the rest of us to dumb down to the level of yourself and Left Winger here today. It seems that both of you believe that you're bright and not the Knuckle draggers that you are. Give us a break.
Nunavut 1/16/2013 3:28:39 PM Report

Funny Ipso reid poll this week shows quite different, but then maybe you avoid reading the media:
Globe and national Post had this story:

More than four out of five Canadians don’t want more money sent to aboriginal reserves unless proper, independent audits are conducted to ensure financial accountability. And fewer than one in three thinks the money spent by the federal government on reserves is well-managed by the native leaders and communities who receive it, according to an exclusive Ipsos Reid poll conducted for Postmedia News.
The issue of accountability on First Nations’ reserves wasn’t on the radar until recently, according to Ipsos Reid CEO Darrell Bricker.
“People are looking for explanations and they’re pointing at a lot of people here,” he said, adding accountability isn’t seen as just an issue among non-aboriginals.
He suggested Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence’s much-publicized protest fast, which has gone on for over a month, hasn’t achieved much traction with Canadians. Indeed the poll showed Spence, who was still continuing to refuse solid foods as of Tuesday, has only a 29 per cent approval rating among Canadians............

Harper personally drew the approval of 46 per cent of those polled for his actions on the aboriginal file – an encouraging number for the prime minister considering his Conservative government was elected in 2011 with less than 40 per cent of the popular vote, the pollster noted.
Canadians’ overall level of concern about the problems plaguing First Nations communities is solid, but remains unchanged from two years ago, despite the Idle No More movement and Spence’s action, the poll indicates. Sixty-three percent of Canadians think the federal government should act to raise the quality of life for Aboriginal peoples, the same as in July 2010.
Canadians are frustrated with the conditions on some First Nations reserves but are pointing fingers at everyone involved, the poll shows. .... only 17 per cent – think Canada’s First Nations are being fair and reasonable.
People “think that this has been going on for a long time, and nobody seems to have a plan to fix it,” Bricker said. ‘There’s a lot of blame to go around.”
The belief that most of the problems First Nations people face are brought on by themselves has risen among Canadians from 35 per cent in 1989 – just before the Oka crisis began – to 60 per cent today, an increase over time that Bricker calls “shocking.”
That rise is partly caused by Canada’s changing demographic over the past quarter-century, with millions of new immigrants who have arrived since 1989 and “aren’t really in touch with these issues,” thus taking a harder line on them, Bricker said.
The Ipsos online panel surveyed more than 1,000 Canadians and is considered accurate to within plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, 95 per cent of the time.


Left Winger 1/16/2013 3:32:36 PM Report

Harper personally drew the approval of 46 per cent of those polled for his actions on the aboriginal file

that number just tells the world the number of bigots in Canada that support an extreme right agenda.

don't be so easily fooled by Harper and his gang of thugs - they are far right extremist dressed in sheep's clothing
highway1 1/16/2013 3:32:45 PM Report

The cause is gaining strength every day.
Left Winger 1/16/2013 3:36:34 PM Report

Ipsos Reid, in a poll released Tuesday, found that about two-thirds of Canadians believe Canada's aboriginal people's receive too much support from federal taxpayers; that aboriginal peoples are treated well by the government; and that most of the problems of native peoples are brought on by themselves.

That said, the poll also found that two-thirds of Canadians believe the federal government must act now to improve the quality of life for Canada's aboriginal peoples.

And, when asked whether the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper or Canada's First Nations were "being reasonable", a majority - 56% -- said "none of the above."

The poll was conducted between Friday and Monday, after a week of high-profile protests in Ottawa and across the country, many of which were associated with the Idle No More movement, a broad grassroots movement that, its founders and adherents say, is frustrated with both the federal government and current First Nations leadership.
old-cat33 1/16/2013 4:03:55 PM Report

Big Bro: So we both had the same upbringing???.......LOL.

Dreamer 1/16/2013 4:18:59 PM Report

Chief Seattle 1800's

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

Norm 1/16/2013 4:32:16 PM Report

Leftwinger, your posts make you look pretty foolish. I consider myself right of center, and am a card carrying Metis. You say the Soo is pretty much a racist town, there are some, but certainly a minority. Everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs, not fair to call them racist. The blatant racist will rear his, her, ugly head in due time, people get to know who they are. As for Oldcat, be careful when you do the butterfly, if you can still do it
Left Winger 1/16/2013 4:33:31 PM Report

This may surprise some on here but at one time i was a strong supporter of hte Progressive Conservatives - I liked a lot of their ideas but Brian Mulroney started my slip into the dark side (lol) and when these so called Conservatives gained power I bailed out as fast as I could.

I saw through lies right from the start - these good ole boys were from the extreme right of the Reform party and knew it could only spell diaster for the rest of Canada should they ever get their grumby paws onto the reins.

We are now witnessing the ruin and dimise of what we all grew up with that was known as Canada....
Left Winger 1/16/2013 4:36:50 PM Report

Sorry Norm but I never called the citizens of SSMarie racist - I said the Soo was a backwater hole in the wall...

I've been extremely careful not to throw that term around....
Left Winger 1/16/2013 4:38:33 PM Report

Sorry but that's enough playing for one day - gotta go clean the drive and walkways...

Have fun sweet
Norm 1/16/2013 4:49:19 PM Report

Leftwinger, 1.16.40 today. Sorry if I read that wrong.
KENNEDY919 1/16/2013 4:58:09 PM Report

The Department of Indian Affairs is just one of the many government departments that must be more responsible and accountable with the tax dollars paid by hard working Canadians.
With large government deficits at all levels of government the misuse of government tax dollars will be magnified. If the Canadian taxpayer cannot be assured that the most competent people are managing their tax dollars the system will and should break down.
whitefeathers 1/16/2013 5:05:58 PM Report

Just to let you know about the new plastic money. If you leave it near electric heater it will shrink, (not a shrink-a-dink) lol, just shrink. Just like your tax dollars the Gov't spent our tax dollars on to save however think of this....the plastic money you can't tear but shrink? So I guess the Gov't forgot that one.

Then comes the penny.

Wisenheimer 1/16/2013 5:10:26 PM Report

Wicket .. Oh naive one, as I mentioned. Barrack Obama was a Senator before he was President.
Michelle was a well paid corporate lawyer. Their daughters attended the University of Chicago Laboratory School (a private school). They will attend private schools and the best universities in the future. After university they will be offered careers by any number of well endowed non profits or liberal minded institutions. You're welcome.
Wicket 1/16/2013 5:12:11 PM Report

The plastic money also 'travels' while in a pant pocket and comes right out. Almost lost a $50 bill that was in my jeans pocket...and that was while I was still walking around in the house getting ready to go out.
whitefeathers 1/16/2013 5:15:47 PM Report

Also the pastic money sticks together and I almost gave a store $40 instead of $20. I think this way the Gov't did this because it makes them more money, and less for the low-income.
Zing 1/16/2013 5:34:47 PM Report

We need a 'Blockade No More' movement.

I spent a good 10 bucks in gas idling at the Hwy 17-17-A intersection last week.

This has to end!
Canna D. Yenn 1/16/2013 5:43:44 PM Report


I was nowhere near Edmonton today. (Last photo)
Just Curious 1/16/2013 5:45:44 PM Report

I was right,the moderator pulls the anti-native posts and leaves the native hate posts standing... Talk about un-biased journalism. The last one i posted pointing out that fact got pulled,this one probably pulled too..
Wicket 1/16/2013 5:57:29 PM Report

wisen - and your point is? who cares if they go to private school or not? People who have money usually prefer to have their children attend private school. A relative in a very good paying position with a Southern Ontario board sent her children to a private school so that they would receive a 'good education'. Both are now very successful professionals. Would that have happened in a public school - probably, because they are smart and determined. But the money was there and she didn't like what she had to work with in the public system.
All in all, it is money that buys what people want.
I just don't get your point.
TFinn 1/16/2013 6:16:42 PM Report

Zing 1/16/2013 5:34:47 PM

I’ve had it ..!!
I am now protesting and I will be on a liquid fast (rum and coke) if the government doesn’t lower my taxes, gas prices, give me funds to pay my spouse for consulting fees. I will stay on this liquid fast until I get satisfaction..!!
Tom_Bom 1/16/2013 6:30:11 PM Report

I'm reposting what I posted in the thread about the bridge protest because in all likelyhood the comments will be disabled soon.

Can we all just agree that Harper and the current federal government really really sucks and go with that?

Lets all find some common ground. I don't like this being a race thing. In high school, my best friend was of First Nation decent, but I didn't view him as native or different from I in any way. All I saw was my best friend. No labels, just my best pal who I knew was there for me as I was him.

That is how I'd like to see things become with the Idle No More movement. See each other as one in the same. Enough with the labels of race! On an individual basis: Agree on what we agree on, agree to disagree on what we do not, but never forget that we are all one, free, and we have a choice to make about where Harper is taking our country. Our government no longer represents any of us. We all know it, this scenario has been unfolding for years and it's reached a boiling point.

But we all need to come together, all races, and make that choice together. The earth is a living breathing organism that feeds and sustains us all and we have to decide. Do we let stereotypes and race divide us which plays right into the hands of the politicians? Or do we unite as one in peace and stand up for what we believe in as one voice? The choice is ours.
Tom_Bom 1/16/2013 7:24:20 PM Report

Sorry to double post,

I just posted something about the Idle No More movement on my blog. Please visit and comment if you have something to say. Needless to say, I won't be closing any comment sections. :P
steelworker 1/16/2013 7:53:47 PM Report

TFinn: I totally agree with your position and I too shall go on a liquid fast to show my solidarity brother. Chicken broth and tequila (with a slice of lemon) will be all I consume until our demands are met!! Sober No More-I'm off to throw up at the bridge plaza. Come one;come all-just watch where you're stepping.
nanag 1/16/2013 8:15:33 PM Report

Yuck I'm gonna wear my rubber boots
flyhawk25 1/16/2013 9:05:10 PM Report

steel...I don't drink tequila but the lemon is a good idea.
I find it helps keep me regular. Besides it is a source of vitamin C.
Drop one in front of the pickets for the sake of a non-violent comment on this whole silly business.
This protest may be well intentioned but it is poorly designed.
Worse yet are the endless comments from both sides.
Perhaps it's time for everyone to stop and suck a lemon and try to find a solution instead of posturing.
Right now they are all constipated.
steelworker 1/16/2013 10:17:42 PM Report

We could loosen them up with my special Double Big Mac/Taco Bell/ Chicken Broth High Colonic. Available at Costco in 5 gallon containers with the no-drip spout.
Wisenheimer 1/16/2013 10:41:32 PM Report

Wlcket ... The concept you are struggling with is called "hypocrisy".
nanag 1/16/2013 11:10:14 PM Report

We should all suck on what?????
nanag 1/16/2013 11:16:44 PM Report



A new disease is diagnosed .. called


causes the brain to shut down and the mouth to keep talking.Thousands affected.

BEST DEFENSE:... Slap and Run
steelworker 1/17/2013 4:57:13 AM Report

... a lot of FN chiefs have an acute case of this along with Escalade-itis.
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