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Grump 1/14/2013 6:39:20 AM Report
Come on you sleepy heads, roll out of the sack. Have a great day all. rw I have a picture of our next P.M., let me know if you would like a copy.
Come on you sleepy heads, roll out of the sack. Have a great day all. rw I have a picture of our next P.M., let me know if you would like a copy.
nanag 1/14/2013 6:54:40 AM Report
Good Morning Grump
Wakey wakey wakey it's daylight in the swamp... time to be up
have a good day everyone!
Good Morning Grump
Wakey wakey wakey it's daylight in the swamp... time to be up
have a good day everyone!
flyhawk25 1/14/2013 8:47:17 AM Report
Grump sent me the picture.
I told him I'd bet him that you would never bet for Harper in the next election in spite of all the blind neo-con allegiance you hold.
In fact we both have money waiting to cover your next mistake.
But if you feel a need to drop a few hundred I'm sure the Soup Kitchen will thank you.
Again.
Grump sent me the picture.
I told him I'd bet him that you would never bet for Harper in the next election in spite of all the blind neo-con allegiance you hold.
In fact we both have money waiting to cover your next mistake.
But if you feel a need to drop a few hundred I'm sure the Soup Kitchen will thank you.
Again.
right wing 1/14/2013 8:58:31 AM Report
Betting on the conservatives against who?????
The Libs...The NDP....
Good luck with that.
This ain't the U.S. election.
I noticed nobody had the balls to bet on the last election, you know the one that counted for Canada.
The one in which the Conservatives won a majority.
I'll be here.
As a matter of fact there is a provincial election looming.
Well see who is around then.
Betting on the conservatives against who?????
The Libs...The NDP....
Good luck with that.
This ain't the U.S. election.
I noticed nobody had the balls to bet on the last election, you know the one that counted for Canada.
The one in which the Conservatives won a majority.
I'll be here.
As a matter of fact there is a provincial election looming.
Well see who is around then.
flyhawk25 1/14/2013 9:23:57 AM Report
rw...I think we just heard the gauntlet drop.
Oh goody! But please - one bet at a time.
Here's my offer.
Assuming Trudeau Lite gets the Liberal nomination I'll take him to defeat Harper for $100 for the usual charity of our choice.
rw...I think we just heard the gauntlet drop.
Oh goody! But please - one bet at a time.
Here's my offer.
Assuming Trudeau Lite gets the Liberal nomination I'll take him to defeat Harper for $100 for the usual charity of our choice.
Grump 1/14/2013 9:25:34 AM Report
rw I'll take a C note on each election for the Liberals. It would make my day, month, year to have you contibute to my favorite children's charity. Thanks.
rw I'll take a C note on each election for the Liberals. It would make my day, month, year to have you contibute to my favorite children's charity. Thanks.
right wing 1/14/2013 9:47:29 AM Report
Wow...I always love the chance to make back and then some.
Grump, flyhawk is not as daring as you.
He only wants the libs if Trudeau wins.
I hope Trudeau does... not that it matters much... but it would be fun to watch Mr. Flip Flop get a sound thrashing.
The liberals returned in Ontario and without the support of the teachers...my will that work.
I think not.
Wow...I always love the chance to make back and then some.
Grump, flyhawk is not as daring as you.
He only wants the libs if Trudeau wins.
I hope Trudeau does... not that it matters much... but it would be fun to watch Mr. Flip Flop get a sound thrashing.
The liberals returned in Ontario and without the support of the teachers...my will that work.
I think not.
flyhawk25 1/14/2013 9:49:53 AM Report
rw...you're losing me in the neo-con blather again.
Do we have a bet?
rw...you're losing me in the neo-con blather again.
Do we have a bet?
Javaman 1/14/2013 10:14:40 AM Report
Hudak scares me. WYnne cannot win !...she is a LIBERAL. The NDP...still shades of Boeb Rae and those nasty Raedays. Who can we vote for and feel good about it?
Hudak scares me. WYnne cannot win !...she is a LIBERAL. The NDP...still shades of Boeb Rae and those nasty Raedays. Who can we vote for and feel good about it?
old-cat33 1/14/2013 10:32:01 AM Report
Well with all this global warming I think that the city should build an out door rink with a refrigeration plant to keep the ice in when the weather warms up.
I watched the Greyhounds on Channel 10 last night and noticed that there was a lot of empty seats and London is one of the top teams in the league.
While during the intermission and rather than listen to boring Cavalla I was checking out the Golden Globe Awards. Man I'm going back to school to become a plastic surgeon!!
Well with all this global warming I think that the city should build an out door rink with a refrigeration plant to keep the ice in when the weather warms up.
I watched the Greyhounds on Channel 10 last night and noticed that there was a lot of empty seats and London is one of the top teams in the league.
While during the intermission and rather than listen to boring Cavalla I was checking out the Golden Globe Awards. Man I'm going back to school to become a plastic surgeon!!
Wicket 1/14/2013 10:43:21 AM Report
old-cat, not a lot of empty seats at the game last night. Attendance was 4700, for an arena that seats 5000, I would say that was pretty good. Most attendance and best game in three years; the building was electrified with the nerves/anticipation of the fans.
There were lots standing on the mezzanine rather that sitting in the seats they had purchased.
old-cat, not a lot of empty seats at the game last night. Attendance was 4700, for an arena that seats 5000, I would say that was pretty good. Most attendance and best game in three years; the building was electrified with the nerves/anticipation of the fans.
There were lots standing on the mezzanine rather that sitting in the seats they had purchased.
theprotector 1/14/2013 11:08:25 AM Report
hey right wing where do you get your white hood dry cleaned?
Its seems only those never experianced racism here are the ones that are racist. Funny how reality is hard to swollow for people like the loser right wing.
hey right wing where do you get your white hood dry cleaned?
Its seems only those never experianced racism here are the ones that are racist. Funny how reality is hard to swollow for people like the loser right wing.
mallet 1/14/2013 11:16:50 AM Report
Old Cat 33..
I heard a similar thing from the U K over the weekend... There was a soccer match between two of the top teams, a home game at Arsenal versus Manchester City. Man city were allocated 4000 seats. Arsenal is one of the most expensive clubs to support and the cheapest price for this game was 62 pounds about $95. 900 of those tickets from Manchester were returned. Sometimes these games are over priced and thats the fans way of showing it.. On the other hand my hometown of Norwich city is playing Luton town in an F A cup match and Luton fans are saying the ticket prices are too low. Luton is a non league club and City priced the tickets at 1 pound for under 16's and over 65's and 10 pounds for adults which works out about $1.60 and $16. respectively so as to fill the ground. When you charge more, you may not fill the stadium, and lose out on all the other sales... Maybe some folks should go back to business school for the 101 class..
Old Cat 33..
I heard a similar thing from the U K over the weekend... There was a soccer match between two of the top teams, a home game at Arsenal versus Manchester City. Man city were allocated 4000 seats. Arsenal is one of the most expensive clubs to support and the cheapest price for this game was 62 pounds about $95. 900 of those tickets from Manchester were returned. Sometimes these games are over priced and thats the fans way of showing it.. On the other hand my hometown of Norwich city is playing Luton town in an F A cup match and Luton fans are saying the ticket prices are too low. Luton is a non league club and City priced the tickets at 1 pound for under 16's and over 65's and 10 pounds for adults which works out about $1.60 and $16. respectively so as to fill the ground. When you charge more, you may not fill the stadium, and lose out on all the other sales... Maybe some folks should go back to business school for the 101 class..
7058262 1/14/2013 11:26:32 AM Report
cut/paste, from Globe and mail
When someone says they "want" or "demand" something, the typical response is a swift kick in the backside. Turn down the inflammatory language. It has no place in negotiations. I realize that Chief Shawn Atleo is fighting for his job but your "opposition" are career politicians too who recognize brinksmanship when they see it. Many Canadians likely don't (see point four below).
Be careful what you wish for. You advocate a social model in which 'nations' live within a nation as separate but 'equal' partners. You promote an apartheid system. Segregated societies always fail. All these models do is generate tension and conflict along every divide. Trust me. I've lived it. It is not what you want or need. There are many ethnic groups who coexist in Canadian society, living and contributing as partners while still cherishing their own way of life, their beliefs and family values.
I need to hear the specifics behind your rhetoric when you complain about how the boot of 'colonial Canada' is tramping on your treaties and rights, the self-governance of your reserves, the environment and its resources. I will agree that you might indeed have just cause for the issues you raise and while the government may understand the nuances of the problems, I do not. Please explain them in future with the specificity such serious dialogue calls for. And try not to bring every discussion back to "this is how much you (Canada) owe us; this is how much more we need to become 'equal'". Instead, how about proving to us that FN people can manage their own affairs in accordance with the self-governance pillars you developed and the standards you require your leaders to comply with.
Finally, I know it has been of no interest to you to speak directly to 'other' Canadians. But let me be blunt. You have long ago lost the PR battle to win over public opinion. FN people are generally seen as lazy, incapable of self-regulation, and pariahs in our society who take much and give little in return as they continue to suck happily on the taxpayers teat. If you don't care how FN peoples are perceived, you are making a great error in judgment. I believe a general tax revolt by the Canadian public lies just under the surface, requiring only leadership to bring it to the fore. When you consider the layer upon layer of taxes we pay as Canadians, it is not hard to see why our governments today are among the most expensive in the world. Part of the problem is this duplicity of standards and self-interest we see from special interest groups that (sadly) include the FN peoples. Do you suppose the electorate at large will tolerate a government in Ottawa that is simply complaint with your demands when we ourselves feel so besieged by ever-increasing taxes working year-round at our 40, 60 and 80-hour a week jobs trying to make ends meet?
cut/paste, from Globe and mail
When someone says they "want" or "demand" something, the typical response is a swift kick in the backside. Turn down the inflammatory language. It has no place in negotiations. I realize that Chief Shawn Atleo is fighting for his job but your "opposition" are career politicians too who recognize brinksmanship when they see it. Many Canadians likely don't (see point four below).
Be careful what you wish for. You advocate a social model in which 'nations' live within a nation as separate but 'equal' partners. You promote an apartheid system. Segregated societies always fail. All these models do is generate tension and conflict along every divide. Trust me. I've lived it. It is not what you want or need. There are many ethnic groups who coexist in Canadian society, living and contributing as partners while still cherishing their own way of life, their beliefs and family values.
I need to hear the specifics behind your rhetoric when you complain about how the boot of 'colonial Canada' is tramping on your treaties and rights, the self-governance of your reserves, the environment and its resources. I will agree that you might indeed have just cause for the issues you raise and while the government may understand the nuances of the problems, I do not. Please explain them in future with the specificity such serious dialogue calls for. And try not to bring every discussion back to "this is how much you (Canada) owe us; this is how much more we need to become 'equal'". Instead, how about proving to us that FN people can manage their own affairs in accordance with the self-governance pillars you developed and the standards you require your leaders to comply with.
Finally, I know it has been of no interest to you to speak directly to 'other' Canadians. But let me be blunt. You have long ago lost the PR battle to win over public opinion. FN people are generally seen as lazy, incapable of self-regulation, and pariahs in our society who take much and give little in return as they continue to suck happily on the taxpayers teat. If you don't care how FN peoples are perceived, you are making a great error in judgment. I believe a general tax revolt by the Canadian public lies just under the surface, requiring only leadership to bring it to the fore. When you consider the layer upon layer of taxes we pay as Canadians, it is not hard to see why our governments today are among the most expensive in the world. Part of the problem is this duplicity of standards and self-interest we see from special interest groups that (sadly) include the FN peoples. Do you suppose the electorate at large will tolerate a government in Ottawa that is simply complaint with your demands when we ourselves feel so besieged by ever-increasing taxes working year-round at our 40, 60 and 80-hour a week jobs trying to make ends meet?
realitycheck 1/14/2013 11:28:21 AM Report
"I watched the Greyhounds on Channel 10 last night and noticed that there was a lot of empty seats and London is one of the top teams in the league."
old-cat33:
You noticed wrong. There were 4,520 people there, about 400 more than has been the norm lately. The rink holds close to 5,000 for hockey games, which is not just seating but includes standing room. Why would you make such a comment when you weren't even there?
"I watched the Greyhounds on Channel 10 last night and noticed that there was a lot of empty seats and London is one of the top teams in the league."
old-cat33:
You noticed wrong. There were 4,520 people there, about 400 more than has been the norm lately. The rink holds close to 5,000 for hockey games, which is not just seating but includes standing room. Why would you make such a comment when you weren't even there?
redranger 1/14/2013 11:37:10 AM Report
You can both be correct about last night's game. There are 3000 season ticket holders who are counted in attendance whether they are present or not. There will always be empty seats even if capacity attendance is announced. The 2 seats next to mine have been empty about 80%+ over the last three years. Strange that folks pay for their seats and then stay away.
BTW..it was a great game.
You can both be correct about last night's game. There are 3000 season ticket holders who are counted in attendance whether they are present or not. There will always be empty seats even if capacity attendance is announced. The 2 seats next to mine have been empty about 80%+ over the last three years. Strange that folks pay for their seats and then stay away.
BTW..it was a great game.
Dreamer 1/14/2013 11:46:51 AM Report
7058262 please get your facts straight! Your tax money does not to go First Nations...Thats what the govenment wants you to believe. And your failing for it!
7058262 please get your facts straight! Your tax money does not to go First Nations...Thats what the govenment wants you to believe. And your failing for it!
Grump 1/14/2013 11:55:46 AM Report
Javaman check out Sandra Pupatello running for the Liberal leadership She is bright, tough and doesn't carry any of the baggage the others do. Further she is the only one not from the GTA. There is a good reason the North supports her.
Javaman check out Sandra Pupatello running for the Liberal leadership She is bright, tough and doesn't carry any of the baggage the others do. Further she is the only one not from the GTA. There is a good reason the North supports her.
Grump 1/14/2013 11:57:38 AM Report
Dreamer please explain to all the foolish Canadian taxpayers where you think this money comes from.
Dreamer please explain to all the foolish Canadian taxpayers where you think this money comes from.
highway1 1/14/2013 12:17:31 PM Report
Some perspective, not that facts matter to the haters.
The 2012-13 budget for Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC) is approximately $7.8 billion. By comparison, the annual budget for the Department of National Defence is approximately $20 billion, while Human Resources and Skills Development Canada’s budget is almost $48 billion.
Oh, those greedy FNs.
Natives pay tax.
Some perspective, not that facts matter to the haters.
The 2012-13 budget for Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC) is approximately $7.8 billion. By comparison, the annual budget for the Department of National Defence is approximately $20 billion, while Human Resources and Skills Development Canada’s budget is almost $48 billion.
Oh, those greedy FNs.
Natives pay tax.
Nunavut 1/14/2013 12:26:33 PM Report
Dreamer thinks there a special pocket that the Government holds all the Corporate taxes that pertain to just resource driven business earnings and Dreamer thinks that somehow this slush fund is what is drawn from that then pays for all the Aboriginal payments.
But Dreamer is well named…there is no such slush fund . Taxes paid by resource companies and taxes paid by non resource companies and taxes paid by Canadians like me each year or taxes paid by Purchases with GST etc and taxes paid for at borders all goes to General tax income and divied out from there. Unfortunately the biggest tax bite come from us middle class workers. Dreamer also probably thinks that Canada can just raise the taxes on the resource companies and they will just magically pay more with out causing the new cost to be paid for by the resource customers ( eg raise price of gasoline, price of lumber, price of nickel and steel. ) Dreamer also probably thinks that these resource companies that then see they cannot afford to operate in Canada because they need to pay all these taxes or must consult for a few years on every new project with the Aboriginals before they can even proceed with project , will then give up on Canada as not a viable place to do business. Yes Dreamer our streams will run clear, but there will be no jobs for us middle class, there will be no jobs for aboriginals in resource sector, the taxes will even need to be raised further on business and working class to provide the same safety net of programs of Hospitals and roads etc that we and Aboriginals all use and the social programs some use like UI and Welfare will be cut to the bone.
Yep Dreamer dreams of a day when we are living off the land in 19th century means. He or she just wants to include all us Canadians in that too. Dreamer does not realize he is cutting off the funding by Dreaming without thinking.
Dreamer thinks there a special pocket that the Government holds all the Corporate taxes that pertain to just resource driven business earnings and Dreamer thinks that somehow this slush fund is what is drawn from that then pays for all the Aboriginal payments.
But Dreamer is well named…there is no such slush fund . Taxes paid by resource companies and taxes paid by non resource companies and taxes paid by Canadians like me each year or taxes paid by Purchases with GST etc and taxes paid for at borders all goes to General tax income and divied out from there. Unfortunately the biggest tax bite come from us middle class workers. Dreamer also probably thinks that Canada can just raise the taxes on the resource companies and they will just magically pay more with out causing the new cost to be paid for by the resource customers ( eg raise price of gasoline, price of lumber, price of nickel and steel. ) Dreamer also probably thinks that these resource companies that then see they cannot afford to operate in Canada because they need to pay all these taxes or must consult for a few years on every new project with the Aboriginals before they can even proceed with project , will then give up on Canada as not a viable place to do business. Yes Dreamer our streams will run clear, but there will be no jobs for us middle class, there will be no jobs for aboriginals in resource sector, the taxes will even need to be raised further on business and working class to provide the same safety net of programs of Hospitals and roads etc that we and Aboriginals all use and the social programs some use like UI and Welfare will be cut to the bone.
Yep Dreamer dreams of a day when we are living off the land in 19th century means. He or she just wants to include all us Canadians in that too. Dreamer does not realize he is cutting off the funding by Dreaming without thinking.
bignickel 1/14/2013 12:34:10 PM Report
They just interviewed Paul Martin on CBC Radio.
He stated that the federal government spent $24000 on each and every resident of Toronto.
They spent $11000 on each resident of Attiwapisquat (sp)
Oh those greedy Natives.
They just interviewed Paul Martin on CBC Radio.
He stated that the federal government spent $24000 on each and every resident of Toronto.
They spent $11000 on each resident of Attiwapisquat (sp)
Oh those greedy Natives.
Nunavut 1/14/2013 12:57:26 PM Report
Well considering the lack of respect most of us have for Paul Martin.....
But even if those statisitics had a semblence of accuracy , one just needs to subtract the taxes paid by those Torontonians from the supposed $24,000 and you would get close to $11,000 .
Difference is Attawapaskat also is getting millions from province and millions from Debeers Mine per year , now divide it out (so not just the Fed's money) No way to hide it the Audit proved it, extreme mismanagement that could of spent money better on those that needed it there.
Well considering the lack of respect most of us have for Paul Martin.....
But even if those statisitics had a semblence of accuracy , one just needs to subtract the taxes paid by those Torontonians from the supposed $24,000 and you would get close to $11,000 .
Difference is Attawapaskat also is getting millions from province and millions from Debeers Mine per year , now divide it out (so not just the Fed's money) No way to hide it the Audit proved it, extreme mismanagement that could of spent money better on those that needed it there.
Canna D. Yenn 1/14/2013 1:08:03 PM Report
Time for a divorce….
What value do you place in keeping Canada together?
Oh, it’s OK to be all patriotic, sentimental, nationalistic, and loyal and all, but at some point reality has to factor into the equation. Face it, the Maritime Provinces have their own agenda, as does Quebec and Ontario. The prairies are unique, and BC feels so far out in left field, they can’t even see the home base. Canada’s north is a wasteland, forgotten, that is until oil and diamonds are found there or melting sea ice or stranded orcas hits the news.
We are so culturally diverse, geographically separated, linguistically parsed and politically alienated that at this point we should be looking at a confederational divorce, based on irreconcilable differences.
Is it time to consider the division of property, division of assets and hammer out the support payments? What was once touted as an idyllic and exemplary melting-pot confederation has turned into nothing more than a stinky slumgullion.
Come on, leaders! (and I use that term facetiously) Look beyond your noses and start working for the good of the country. Your ass-in-the-air, head in your arse, hands-over-your-ears, or blindfolders-on attitude has done nothing.
Why does it take something like Idle No More to point this out?
I would say your actions or inactions are childish but I don’t want to insult our children.
Time for a divorce….
What value do you place in keeping Canada together?
Oh, it’s OK to be all patriotic, sentimental, nationalistic, and loyal and all, but at some point reality has to factor into the equation. Face it, the Maritime Provinces have their own agenda, as does Quebec and Ontario. The prairies are unique, and BC feels so far out in left field, they can’t even see the home base. Canada’s north is a wasteland, forgotten, that is until oil and diamonds are found there or melting sea ice or stranded orcas hits the news.
We are so culturally diverse, geographically separated, linguistically parsed and politically alienated that at this point we should be looking at a confederational divorce, based on irreconcilable differences.
Is it time to consider the division of property, division of assets and hammer out the support payments? What was once touted as an idyllic and exemplary melting-pot confederation has turned into nothing more than a stinky slumgullion.
Come on, leaders! (and I use that term facetiously) Look beyond your noses and start working for the good of the country. Your ass-in-the-air, head in your arse, hands-over-your-ears, or blindfolders-on attitude has done nothing.
Why does it take something like Idle No More to point this out?
I would say your actions or inactions are childish but I don’t want to insult our children.
T-rat 1/14/2013 1:24:04 PM Report
This commentary article is from today's Globe and Mail -- legit, and it is an excellent piece, a worthwhile read. And it serves to reflect what a lot of posters seem to think about Chief Theresa Spence.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/to-solve-native-issues-focus-more-on-the-indians-and-less-on-the-chiefs/article7296268/
This commentary article is from today's Globe and Mail -- legit, and it is an excellent piece, a worthwhile read. And it serves to reflect what a lot of posters seem to think about Chief Theresa Spence.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/to-solve-native-issues-focus-more-on-the-indians-and-less-on-the-chiefs/article7296268/
25miller 1/14/2013 1:34:08 PM Report
(January 14, 2013) -An Elliot Lake couple received $5,000 in fines as well as hunting licence suspensions for illegal bear hunting and attempting to cover up their actions.
Larry Gordon pleaded guilty to hunting a black bear without a licence, unlawfully using another person’s licence, unlawfully abandoning flesh suitable for food and obstructing a conservation officer.
He was fined $4,500 and received a three-year hunting suspension.
An American only gets a 1 year suspension for the same crime..Only in Canada...
(January 14, 2013) -An Elliot Lake couple received $5,000 in fines as well as hunting licence suspensions for illegal bear hunting and attempting to cover up their actions.
Larry Gordon pleaded guilty to hunting a black bear without a licence, unlawfully using another person’s licence, unlawfully abandoning flesh suitable for food and obstructing a conservation officer.
He was fined $4,500 and received a three-year hunting suspension.
An American only gets a 1 year suspension for the same crime..Only in Canada...
Malarkey 1/14/2013 1:34:36 PM Report
Re: the attendance at last night's Hounds game. It was announced as 4523 as stated. Not only do you have the standing room but the private boxes included in that number. We HAVE season's tickets. We attend most games.And I can say absolutely that there were a LOT fewer empty seats than there have been in a while. You can always get a good gauge on attendance by total sales for the 50/50 draw. At one recent game it was under $3000. Last night it was in on $5600.
Re: the attendance at last night's Hounds game. It was announced as 4523 as stated. Not only do you have the standing room but the private boxes included in that number. We HAVE season's tickets. We attend most games.And I can say absolutely that there were a LOT fewer empty seats than there have been in a while. You can always get a good gauge on attendance by total sales for the 50/50 draw. At one recent game it was under $3000. Last night it was in on $5600.
everson 1/14/2013 1:53:52 PM Report
I don't go on here much but I see the same people like to be always the one thinking they are right. Oh parden the pun. The same old same old chest beating , knuckle dragging gang.
I don't go on here much but I see the same people like to be always the one thinking they are right. Oh parden the pun. The same old same old chest beating , knuckle dragging gang.
steelworker 1/14/2013 2:00:03 PM Report
Maybe you should ask your doctor to increase your meds by %20.
Maybe you should ask your doctor to increase your meds by %20.
Grace 1/14/2013 2:01:12 PM Report
Right wing this one is for you!
Obama demands quick action to raise debt limit
'Not a deadbeat nation:' Obama says Congress must act quickly to raise the US debt ceiling
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-demands-quick-action-raise-165819237.html
Right wing this one is for you!
Obama demands quick action to raise debt limit
'Not a deadbeat nation:' Obama says Congress must act quickly to raise the US debt ceiling
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-demands-quick-action-raise-165819237.html
everson 1/14/2013 2:09:27 PM Report
Sorry Steelworker I forgot about you and it was pleasant but again you are up to your stupidity and MORONity again. Never fails, idiocy strikes when you least expect it. Please EVERYONE ignore this nut bag.
I trolled and look what I caught a n'er do nothing. Kudos Steelworker no one cares about you on here(just reading all the negative posts) now listen and shoo. Brianne seems he is on here all the time. I he is a waste of time at work.
Sorry Steelworker I forgot about you and it was pleasant but again you are up to your stupidity and MORONity again. Never fails, idiocy strikes when you least expect it. Please EVERYONE ignore this nut bag.
I trolled and look what I caught a n'er do nothing. Kudos Steelworker no one cares about you on here(just reading all the negative posts) now listen and shoo. Brianne seems he is on here all the time. I he is a waste of time at work.
steelworker 1/14/2013 2:58:39 PM Report
Moronity?? I see that "English as a Second Language 101" is working out for you. The mothership called and they want their dictionary back.
Moronity?? I see that "English as a Second Language 101" is working out for you. The mothership called and they want their dictionary back.
Pink Peony 1/14/2013 3:01:21 PM Report
bignickel 1/14/2013 12:34:10 PM Report
"He stated that the federal government spent $24000 on each and every resident of Toronto.
They spent $11000 on each resident of Attiwapisquat (sp)"
Considering the differences with regards to infrastructure between Toronto and Attawapiskat, I don't see what the problem is. Why would Attawapiskat (or any other small town for that matter, regardless of whether it is a reserve or not) receive the same amount that a HUGE city with a MASSIVE infrastructure receives.
bignickel 1/14/2013 12:34:10 PM Report
"He stated that the federal government spent $24000 on each and every resident of Toronto.
They spent $11000 on each resident of Attiwapisquat (sp)"
Considering the differences with regards to infrastructure between Toronto and Attawapiskat, I don't see what the problem is. Why would Attawapiskat (or any other small town for that matter, regardless of whether it is a reserve or not) receive the same amount that a HUGE city with a MASSIVE infrastructure receives.
Pink Peony 1/14/2013 3:03:32 PM Report
Dreamer, if you would like to see how your, my, our tax dollar is spent, go here to read the break down.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/tax-impot/2011/html-eng.asp
Dreamer, if you would like to see how your, my, our tax dollar is spent, go here to read the break down.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/tax-impot/2011/html-eng.asp
Left Winger 1/14/2013 3:18:55 PM Report
Google the Canadian Consolidate Revenue Fund - this is the fund where the government puts all taxes collected from the public tax payer and revenue generated from businesses - mining, forestry,oil/gas etc...
In forestry the government charges a stumpage fee for every tree cut to the companies and they desposit this into the CRF. A percentage of the stumpage fee is earmarked for Aboriginal, generally less than 1 percent. Same goes for the mining/oil/gas industries.
The government than calculates what they are willing to pay out to the First Nations in transfer agreements. I said calculated because the transfer payments vary year from year thus making it difficult for the FN's to do any long range planning based on the CRF dollars.
It is not the FN's fault that the Feds roll all revenue and taxes received into one account. This is where is gets murky and the Feds know it..and..the murkier it gets the better for the Feds
This is why the FN's say they do not received your tax payer dollars - it was agree to in the treaties to share the wealth of the resources generated and obtained by the government.
does this help some of you understand the complexities of the treaties and positions of the FN's...
We are all being duped by the Feds...the same divide and conquer techniques used worldwide to screw the Indigenous peoples out of what is rightfully theirs. That coupled with the fact that the government knows that the knuckle draggers will latch onto whatever b.s. they feed them....
Google the Canadian Consolidate Revenue Fund - this is the fund where the government puts all taxes collected from the public tax payer and revenue generated from businesses - mining, forestry,oil/gas etc...
In forestry the government charges a stumpage fee for every tree cut to the companies and they desposit this into the CRF. A percentage of the stumpage fee is earmarked for Aboriginal, generally less than 1 percent. Same goes for the mining/oil/gas industries.
The government than calculates what they are willing to pay out to the First Nations in transfer agreements. I said calculated because the transfer payments vary year from year thus making it difficult for the FN's to do any long range planning based on the CRF dollars.
It is not the FN's fault that the Feds roll all revenue and taxes received into one account. This is where is gets murky and the Feds know it..and..the murkier it gets the better for the Feds
This is why the FN's say they do not received your tax payer dollars - it was agree to in the treaties to share the wealth of the resources generated and obtained by the government.
does this help some of you understand the complexities of the treaties and positions of the FN's...
We are all being duped by the Feds...the same divide and conquer techniques used worldwide to screw the Indigenous peoples out of what is rightfully theirs. That coupled with the fact that the government knows that the knuckle draggers will latch onto whatever b.s. they feed them....
Just Curious 1/14/2013 3:31:54 PM Report
And you do,left winger... Can you not discuss anything but native isues? There really is a big world full of other concerns other than this constant barrage of crap...Try reading an out of town newspaper once in a while if you want to see how little difference this is making to the average person...
And you do,left winger... Can you not discuss anything but native isues? There really is a big world full of other concerns other than this constant barrage of crap...Try reading an out of town newspaper once in a while if you want to see how little difference this is making to the average person...
Left Winger 1/14/2013 3:49:04 PM Report
Sorry JC if I offended you by posting information that everyone has been asking for.
Am I the only one who is posting information on this topic?...
ahh the h#ll with it...kiss my pimply a## if you don't like what I post just scroll by my comments like I do yours
Sorry JC if I offended you by posting information that everyone has been asking for.
Am I the only one who is posting information on this topic?...
ahh the h#ll with it...kiss my pimply a## if you don't like what I post just scroll by my comments like I do yours
AceOfBass 1/14/2013 4:12:59 PM Report
What does Mayor Debbie Amaroso and the City owned PUC have to hide from the general public?
Mayor and council voted to give $1,000,000 TAX DOLLARS to ALGOMA UNIVERSITY.
Brian Curran the PUC CEO of the city owned utility and chair person of the AU fund raising committee votes along with the other city council board members a $100,000 to the University.
Meanwhile the general public gets screwed over by the PUC, the dirty water,the smart meters forced on us,the 75% water hike increase
Meanwhile the seniors,low income,average person on fixed incomes are getting hefty a PUC bill.
When is common sense going be used by our elected officials to stop this insane attack on the general public.
The PUC and Mayor Debbie Amaroso need to be open and honest with the people of Sault Ste Marie.
Her campaign slogan your say your city well it is our city and we need to be at the PUC -City seminar
What are you hiding Mayor Amaroso?
What does Mayor Debbie Amaroso and the City owned PUC have to hide from the general public?
Mayor and council voted to give $1,000,000 TAX DOLLARS to ALGOMA UNIVERSITY.
Brian Curran the PUC CEO of the city owned utility and chair person of the AU fund raising committee votes along with the other city council board members a $100,000 to the University.
Meanwhile the general public gets screwed over by the PUC, the dirty water,the smart meters forced on us,the 75% water hike increase
Meanwhile the seniors,low income,average person on fixed incomes are getting hefty a PUC bill.
When is common sense going be used by our elected officials to stop this insane attack on the general public.
The PUC and Mayor Debbie Amaroso need to be open and honest with the people of Sault Ste Marie.
Her campaign slogan your say your city well it is our city and we need to be at the PUC -City seminar
What are you hiding Mayor Amaroso?
Pink Peony 1/14/2013 4:25:11 PM Report
This is good news!
"As a result of an ongoing public appeal by Algoma-Manitoulin MPP Michael Mantha and concerned Ontarians, Batchawana Bay Provincial Park will resume its regular operating hours in 2013." Sault Star
This is good news!
"As a result of an ongoing public appeal by Algoma-Manitoulin MPP Michael Mantha and concerned Ontarians, Batchawana Bay Provincial Park will resume its regular operating hours in 2013." Sault Star
Grace 1/14/2013 4:50:25 PM Report
Ace,
I would fully expect that the meeting you are talking about would be of a sensitive legal nature and I would expect it to be limited to the two parties.
It has been called a training meeting and rightly so. Time for an education.
Ace,
I would fully expect that the meeting you are talking about would be of a sensitive legal nature and I would expect it to be limited to the two parties.
It has been called a training meeting and rightly so. Time for an education.
the_mage 1/14/2013 4:57:46 PM Report
Well...one could always try a hunger strike to get the attention of the parties.
Well...one could always try a hunger strike to get the attention of the parties.
the_mage 1/14/2013 5:18:22 PM Report
LOL. LW, just clowning with you. I do take the time to read your posts as well as everybody else.
Going to Rankin to buy a carton of Putters from the local natives. Anybody want some?
LOL. LW, just clowning with you. I do take the time to read your posts as well as everybody else.
Going to Rankin to buy a carton of Putters from the local natives. Anybody want some?
TFinn 1/14/2013 5:29:05 PM Report
theprotector 1/14/2013 11:08:25
Why is it so easy for you to bring up the racist thing all the time.? Tell me, why is it the FN people always want to try and convince us “other people” about their culture … we all have cultures as well ..in fact all of us have backgrounds and heritages of different denominations, the difference is, even though we cherish our cultures and backgrounds and where our ancestors came from, we are not standing on a soapbox somewhere screaming and picketing about them. Keep your cultures by all means .. it’s important …but it’s your culture, we really don’t want to hear about it all the time..it’s a private thing to enjoy by you, your families and friends. If we are interested ..there are books and the web for us to read about. For myself I am proud of where my ancestors came from, but at the end of the day I am Canadian, born and raised.
BTW
My own ancestors had their , homes, land, possessions, money… etc …all taken away from them "..forcibly" and yes they had to flee from where they were born and raised, and find a new life, otherwise their lives could have been taken as well. They lost it all …family and friends, and they were all scattered . They moved on and made new lives and became valuable citizens and raised generations of families that are now all proud to call themselves Canadians, yes their ancestors came from different parts of the world and they still respect their heritages, but they live as Canadians and abide by the customs laws of Canada. They have embraced technology and change, they realize they can not live in the past, they can however remember and respect their pasts and ancestors and do keep their cultures and heritages near and dear to them and often will practice and celebrate them. Out of all these people that had their lives ripped away from them …not one of them ever returned to their home countries demanding the government , return their homes, land , money and pay them compensation …why ....because they have forged ahead and made better lives for themselves here in Canada.
theprotector 1/14/2013 11:08:25
Why is it so easy for you to bring up the racist thing all the time.? Tell me, why is it the FN people always want to try and convince us “other people” about their culture … we all have cultures as well ..in fact all of us have backgrounds and heritages of different denominations, the difference is, even though we cherish our cultures and backgrounds and where our ancestors came from, we are not standing on a soapbox somewhere screaming and picketing about them. Keep your cultures by all means .. it’s important …but it’s your culture, we really don’t want to hear about it all the time..it’s a private thing to enjoy by you, your families and friends. If we are interested ..there are books and the web for us to read about. For myself I am proud of where my ancestors came from, but at the end of the day I am Canadian, born and raised.
BTW
My own ancestors had their , homes, land, possessions, money… etc …all taken away from them "..forcibly" and yes they had to flee from where they were born and raised, and find a new life, otherwise their lives could have been taken as well. They lost it all …family and friends, and they were all scattered . They moved on and made new lives and became valuable citizens and raised generations of families that are now all proud to call themselves Canadians, yes their ancestors came from different parts of the world and they still respect their heritages, but they live as Canadians and abide by the customs laws of Canada. They have embraced technology and change, they realize they can not live in the past, they can however remember and respect their pasts and ancestors and do keep their cultures and heritages near and dear to them and often will practice and celebrate them. Out of all these people that had their lives ripped away from them …not one of them ever returned to their home countries demanding the government , return their homes, land , money and pay them compensation …why ....because they have forged ahead and made better lives for themselves here in Canada.
AceOfBass 1/14/2013 5:55:37 PM Report
Grace,
Mayor Amaroso and Ward Councillors used the section so that they can call this a training session.Which is a bunch of malarkey,you know i know it.
Councillor Manzo was the only Councillor who objected to this facade.
The PUC and the mayor do not want the taxpayers to know what they are hiding.
Grace,
Mayor Amaroso and Ward Councillors used the section so that they can call this a training session.Which is a bunch of malarkey,you know i know it.
Councillor Manzo was the only Councillor who objected to this facade.
The PUC and the mayor do not want the taxpayers to know what they are hiding.
AceOfBass 1/14/2013 6:23:58 PM Report
Grace,
it is time that you educate yourself and read the Municipal Act.
Most of our Councillors do not know what the job description is case in point is the two Ward 1 Councillors.
One has been around for over 40 years and has a culture of entitlement whereas he has taken on others items on his plate that has nothing to do with being a ward Councillor.
The new Councillor is following his leftist footsteps.
Grace,
it is time that you educate yourself and read the Municipal Act.
Most of our Councillors do not know what the job description is case in point is the two Ward 1 Councillors.
One has been around for over 40 years and has a culture of entitlement whereas he has taken on others items on his plate that has nothing to do with being a ward Councillor.
The new Councillor is following his leftist footsteps.
ROLAND_ROLLY 1/14/2013 6:50:07 PM Report
Amen Ace. One does not even respond anymore, the other one never did !
Even the Mayor will not answer a straight forward question, just gives out a bunch of pre-packeaged retoric.
In the next year or so, we won't have to worry about water quality etc. The Sault's largest employer will be long gone !
Amen Ace. One does not even respond anymore, the other one never did !
Even the Mayor will not answer a straight forward question, just gives out a bunch of pre-packeaged retoric.
In the next year or so, we won't have to worry about water quality etc. The Sault's largest employer will be long gone !
bounder 1/14/2013 7:23:27 PM Report
What is that,proud of my ancestors,proud to be Canadian,proud to be Irish,proud to be Italian, some thing that you inherited through genetic birh.You can be proud of something you done, accomplised or own ,but genetic birth I don't think so.
What is that,proud of my ancestors,proud to be Canadian,proud to be Irish,proud to be Italian, some thing that you inherited through genetic birh.You can be proud of something you done, accomplised or own ,but genetic birth I don't think so.
TFinn 1/14/2013 8:11:23 PM Report
bounder 1/14/2013 7:23:27 PM
Doesn’t matter who or where your ancestors are from, Why are you not proud of them ?? Many have had very hard lives , but still made it, and forged a better life for us …I am proud of them, .. all of them, and I’m confident that my feelings are the same as many on this site. It was them who gave me life’s tools and knowledge so I was able to have a better life. But I can only speak for myself, maybe you‘re bitter towards your past and ancestors ..I don’t know …. however I am both proud and thankful. … Thankful they were hard workers and provided for themselves without relying on handouts nor charity and could hold their heads high when they look back through their life knowing they did their very best and were appreciated in many ways. Who I am and what I’ve accomplished, I credit it to the good and honest upbringing I had from my parents and grandparents. It’s a very nice feeling to be able to say that.
bounder 1/14/2013 7:23:27 PM
Doesn’t matter who or where your ancestors are from, Why are you not proud of them ?? Many have had very hard lives , but still made it, and forged a better life for us …I am proud of them, .. all of them, and I’m confident that my feelings are the same as many on this site. It was them who gave me life’s tools and knowledge so I was able to have a better life. But I can only speak for myself, maybe you‘re bitter towards your past and ancestors ..I don’t know …. however I am both proud and thankful. … Thankful they were hard workers and provided for themselves without relying on handouts nor charity and could hold their heads high when they look back through their life knowing they did their very best and were appreciated in many ways. Who I am and what I’ve accomplished, I credit it to the good and honest upbringing I had from my parents and grandparents. It’s a very nice feeling to be able to say that.
Grace 1/14/2013 8:15:43 PM Report
Ace, Okay where in the municipal act does it say that what they are doing is wrong?
If they are doing wrong as you believe then what are you going to do about it?
Personally I don't see the problem.
Ace, Okay where in the municipal act does it say that what they are doing is wrong?
If they are doing wrong as you believe then what are you going to do about it?
Personally I don't see the problem.
Grace 1/14/2013 8:19:11 PM Report
P.S. @ Ace What explain the last part of your post One doing what??
P.S. @ Ace What explain the last part of your post One doing what??
Sam C 1/14/2013 8:31:09 PM Report
Ace...
The powers of a municipality under this or any other Act shall be interpreted broadly so as to confer broad authority on the municipality to enable the municipality to govern its affairs as it considers appropriate and to enhance the municipality’s ability to respond to municipal issues. 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 8.
For the purpose of subsection (1) and, unless the context otherwise requires, the fact that a specific provision is silent on whether or not a municipality has a particular power shall not be interpreted as a limit on the power contained in the specific provision. 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 11 (2).
http://tinyurl.com/e-Laws-Municipal-Act
Ace...
The powers of a municipality under this or any other Act shall be interpreted broadly so as to confer broad authority on the municipality to enable the municipality to govern its affairs as it considers appropriate and to enhance the municipality’s ability to respond to municipal issues. 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 8.
For the purpose of subsection (1) and, unless the context otherwise requires, the fact that a specific provision is silent on whether or not a municipality has a particular power shall not be interpreted as a limit on the power contained in the specific provision. 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 11 (2).
http://tinyurl.com/e-Laws-Municipal-Act
skipper dave 1/14/2013 8:49:34 PM Report
One thought on our well worn topic of the First Nation protest - Somebody convince or beg Ted Nolan to assume a leadership role. He has the respect of both sides and he has integrity. He would make a brilliant choice by the FN as a role model for the young people to follow.
One thought on our well worn topic of the First Nation protest - Somebody convince or beg Ted Nolan to assume a leadership role. He has the respect of both sides and he has integrity. He would make a brilliant choice by the FN as a role model for the young people to follow.
statusquo 1/14/2013 9:01:07 PM Report
The only thing I am proud of is that I can cook a decent risotto....and my kids.
That's about it!
Speaking of cooking....I am contemplating cooking crystal meth, but the authorities frown upon that...I may have to think about the legal ramifications/consequences.
Feeling proud is different than feeling good about something.
As an example.... I feel good about not shopping across the river or at Walmart. It gives me a sense of decency.
That is all I have to say, other than I learned a new word today..."moronity"...now that's a keeper!
i.e..."Sir/madam, I think your opinion is valid, however, it might be spawned by a tinge of "moronity".
The only thing I am proud of is that I can cook a decent risotto....and my kids.
That's about it!
Speaking of cooking....I am contemplating cooking crystal meth, but the authorities frown upon that...I may have to think about the legal ramifications/consequences.
Feeling proud is different than feeling good about something.
As an example.... I feel good about not shopping across the river or at Walmart. It gives me a sense of decency.
That is all I have to say, other than I learned a new word today..."moronity"...now that's a keeper!
i.e..."Sir/madam, I think your opinion is valid, however, it might be spawned by a tinge of "moronity".
statusquo 1/14/2013 9:06:33 PM Report
Skipper,
Ain't that the truth! Elect any hockey player into office!
It's as Canadian as Maple Syrup!
Unifying, gooey and easy to swallow. No class or race distinction.
I'll vote for it and we surely need something different.
Skipper,
Ain't that the truth! Elect any hockey player into office!
It's as Canadian as Maple Syrup!
Unifying, gooey and easy to swallow. No class or race distinction.
I'll vote for it and we surely need something different.
flyhawk25 1/14/2013 9:40:07 PM Report
Sam...why not?
At least he has some skills. Unfortunately he is burdened by an intellect, a good education and a sense of morality.
Doesn't have a chance.
Sam...why not?
At least he has some skills. Unfortunately he is burdened by an intellect, a good education and a sense of morality.
Doesn't have a chance.
statusquo 1/14/2013 9:47:48 PM Report
Sam,
As good as any..is what I say.
What we have now is pathetic.
But that is just my opinion....smiley face.
Sam,
As good as any..is what I say.
What we have now is pathetic.
But that is just my opinion....smiley face.
AceOfBass 1/14/2013 11:29:03 PM Report
The municipal act clearly states that council meetings be as transparent as possible.
Mayor Amaroso and Council enacted section 239(3.1)the education and training of members provision to keep the people out of the meeting.
What is it that Mayor Amaroso and council don't want the public to hear?
No rules or anything has been broken Mayor Amaroso and Council have the choice to keep the public out
But why, what is the big secret?
If there is nothing to hide why use section 239(3.1) to keep the taxpayers out?
Not a very transparent Mayor and council who has
raised taxes,
voted to ruin the water
,slammed us with smart meters
then voted to raise water rates by 75%.
Gave away $1,000,000 taxpayers dollars,and shoveled another $100,000 through the PUC to Algoma University.
All this happened on Mayor Amaroso's watch.
So that they don't have to answer to the people they hide behind section 239(3.1)
The municipal act clearly states that council meetings be as transparent as possible.
Mayor Amaroso and Council enacted section 239(3.1)the education and training of members provision to keep the people out of the meeting.
What is it that Mayor Amaroso and council don't want the public to hear?
No rules or anything has been broken Mayor Amaroso and Council have the choice to keep the public out
But why, what is the big secret?
If there is nothing to hide why use section 239(3.1) to keep the taxpayers out?
Not a very transparent Mayor and council who has
raised taxes,
voted to ruin the water
,slammed us with smart meters
then voted to raise water rates by 75%.
Gave away $1,000,000 taxpayers dollars,and shoveled another $100,000 through the PUC to Algoma University.
All this happened on Mayor Amaroso's watch.
So that they don't have to answer to the people they hide behind section 239(3.1)
AceOfBass 1/14/2013 11:35:10 PM Report
Grace I was referring to the Ward 1 Councillors interference with the EDC and the green energy and other items that have been taken on.
Grace I was referring to the Ward 1 Councillors interference with the EDC and the green energy and other items that have been taken on.
whitefeathers 1/15/2013 1:10:45 AM Report
Just to let your new word "Morality" is actually in the Dictionary here is the meaning of this word:
1) The right or wrong of an action
2) The doing of right virtue
3) A system morals, set rules of principles of conducted.
4) Moral instructions: a moral lessons or precept
5) Morality play
6) (adj) of or belonging to a morality squad: a morality officer.
Look it up.
Just to let your new word "Morality" is actually in the Dictionary here is the meaning of this word:
1) The right or wrong of an action
2) The doing of right virtue
3) A system morals, set rules of principles of conducted.
4) Moral instructions: a moral lessons or precept
5) Morality play
6) (adj) of or belonging to a morality squad: a morality officer.
Look it up.
whitefeathers 1/15/2013 1:15:29 AM Report
Moronity: Everson you should call Webester Dictionary and get them to add this new word, and make millions?? lol
Moronity: Everson you should call Webester Dictionary and get them to add this new word, and make millions?? lol
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