bounder 1/13/2013 6:16:45 AM Report
A new measure of your local economy is wether you have a Tim Horton or are about to get one in your neighborhood.
skipper dave 1/13/2013 8:07:38 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo! Can't believe I didn't die. I was denied access to the internet for a day on Saturday and as hard as it is to believe I am still here. I am the junky in this family and when told by someone new to sobriety he was cross addicted I asked him how he got it down to two? Moderation is a transitional point for me while travelling between and towards extremes. the problem was at the modem and my wife is the Mrs fix it. She and the kids were knee deep counting our loose change booty for their trip next weekend. Not the time to shout "hey what about me, whose seeing to my wants and needs"? Rather than getting my fix of news I picked up my sister in law and made a run to see my primary addiction my boat. We stopped at the dry dock and she had a hearty breakfast of eggs, sausage, homefries and toast while I settled for a dark toast, apple juice and some nausea meds, yum, yum. The boat got a little rub on the buttocks and while leaving Hilton both of us waved at the Mayor, Mr. Spellchecker. he was obviously using the warm melt to scoop the environmentally friendly emissions from all his four footed little buddies unto the street where the tyres could distribute it thru the ville (sweet). Got home checked you know what and decided the kindest response for Dave would be have a nap. It's amazing what you learn about relationships in your second marriage? I've never learned anything by doing it right!
Jimssm 1/13/2013 8:23:12 AM Report
What is it about Sault Ste. Marie that makes it so unwelcoming to people of a different skin colour ?
Most of the black families I know have either moved or are trying to.
-the young girl that had something thrown at her and told to "go back to her country". She's been in Canada (Toronto) since the age of 3 and has never experienced anything like that before. She was told by the authorities that 'it was just kids being kids'. She no longer feels safe here.
-my #3 son was hired part-time by an under-manager at a local store. Before the paperwork was finalized, the decision was reversed by the owner 'because he was too tall and may intimidate customers'....he's 6'3". He's leaving for Waterloo to continue his studies.
- you all know my wife's experience getting stopped by the local constabulary who thought it may be a carjacking....(two black guys in the back seat).
- my #2 son has been stopped by police twice in 4 months. Walking, middle of the day, asked for ID and where he was going.
- my #1 son has been here 4 years, a degree in Business admin 'cum laude'. Passed over for promotion numerous times....given the porters job rather than front desk, kept in the drivers job rather than sales, cleaning tables rather than being a waiter. He was constantly being complimented on his hard work,"best worker", "hardest worker", 'wish I had 10 more like you", but when promotion time came, there was always an excuse. He left for Toronto at Christmas and within 1 week had a management job at Ikea.
As much as you try to downplay it, stories like this circulate in other communities and we get a reputation for being 'unfriendly'.
It's time we here start to look past a person's colour and see the person underneath.
mallet 1/13/2013 9:36:32 AM Report
I would not hold your breath waiting for that to happen if I were you. I won't make excuses for other people, however I personally knew only one coloured gentleman when I lived in the Soo, He was an electrician at the plant and also Master of the Lodge I belonged too, he was also a school trustee.. Why there is racial profiling and discrimination, I do not know, maybe because we see so few coloureds, maybe because they tend to congregate together, prehaps a language barrier, there are so many possible reasons, beside the main ones, predudice, ignorance and stupidity,and how you overcome them I do not know. Education, maybe, maybe overcoming a fear of someone new, maybe less media attention on a certain portion of coloured people. I think one should have an open mind, but how to open it I do not know....
skipper dave 1/13/2013 10:03:06 AM Report
Jmssm - I have this gut feeling that the root of your problem is your non acceptance that there is racial prejudice. Acceptance of it's presence allows you to prepare your children in handling it. Denial is a rant and rave driven by what? Surely you didn't adopt these kids thinking that they would not encounter bigotry. I've worked in the far north where my little red head princess was bullied and her hair yanked out by native children because she was different. I guess I'm asking was there some naiveté on your part in adopting, were you not prepared as a parent to support the kids because the odds of you changing the world is remote? Wish it weren't so, well maybe in Disneyland. Ask Mr. Obama if he's experienced bigotry?
Jimssm 1/13/2013 10:05:25 AM Report
I personally think that we have more problem accepting visible minorities here because there are so few of them. At least that is what I keep telling myself.
My own exposure to my sons and others has made the colour of their skin invisible to me. I didn't start out that way. And that is not to say everything is perfect as some of the cultural differences drive me crazy.
Grump 1/13/2013 10:05:59 AM Report
Good morning everyone, I enjoyed my sleep in this morning. I didn't move until 8.15. The first great sleep in, in many months. Have a great day all. Jimssm I believe the Sault is really a friendly towm but there are so few couloreds around that most here have not become climatized. I'm sure most Canadians are fairly shy but also believe most would be the first to step forward to help out if they ever came upon any of this unfortunate crap. I would like to believe that as more foriegn students come to the Sault to get their education, that this will change for the better.
sweetc 1/13/2013 10:18:53 AM Report
I don';t believe that the city is a friendly little town and I just have to read the comments on here to solidify that judgement on my part. Even red neck statements like the ones yesterday when the young man was punched by his girlfriend tell me that this city is backwards in a lot of its thinking. There is too much "good ole boys" thinking in this city and that starts from the top. Racial profiling by the police etc. this all has to stop before the city can move on.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 10:21:12 AM Report
No, I knew there would be bigotry. I've been in this game long enough to know what I was getting into. But to get it from the city you grew up in and love is different.
Just because a bad thing is hard to change doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 10:27:20 AM Report
...... and to help the City change things, read the news article on this site.
"You're invited to dance. It could change a life"
Take a Zumba class at Sault College and help them sponsor another refugee next fall.
Grump 1/13/2013 10:36:57 AM Report
Jimssm I would like to but they would likely have to break every bone in my old body to get me straightened out after. lol
statusquo 1/13/2013 10:40:04 AM Report
I've lived in this community since the late seventies and I have seen and participated in discussions that clearly had a racist tinge but I have never experienced a racist act.
Racism and "fear" of others, whatever the "other" might be, i.e skin-colour, culture,religion , sexual orientation etc. is an anthropological trait that is hard to shake and hard to overcome for some people.
I believe that education alone is not the answer, although folks with a higher education seem less prone to racism but not always.
I've had highly educated people tell me that Toronto is not what it used to be what with all the brown people etc...
Not too long ago the Irish were considered second class citizens, then the Italians, then and now the French and of course the Native population.
We all like to think, with few exceptions that we are open-minded and not xenophobic, but deep down we all are to a certain extent.
White people have to be far more circumspect in what they say as it is far easier to paint a Caucasian with the racist brush then it is someone of a darker complexion, as the wounds caused by the white man are still more or less fresh and certainly new ones are created on a daily basis.
There are certainly cultural differences between ethnic groups that I have a hard time accepting...i.e the treatment of women in certain Asian or African countries mostly due to religion and/or class distinction and I cannot accept or tolerate that. But I have to be careful how I express that as I would leave the door open for the PC Nazis to label me a racist.
The incident with your wife being stopped by the cops because she had two black guys in her car goes to show you how American TV shows have influenced certain perceptions.
The majority of crimes in this city are committed by what I would refer to as "White Trash". Social outcasts that had a shitty childhood with no more hope for a decent life then some Native kids in some god forsaken reserve. And it as squat to do with race but with a system that has given up looking after the less fortunate.
Your examples above paint a sad state of affairs when an education and a willingness to contribute to society is not enough to "fit in".
Jimssm 1/13/2013 10:51:46 AM Report
You could still go and just check out the leotards.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 11:01:46 AM Report
Previous to this, I have only run into it personally once, and that was based on language. My wife and I were speaking french in the food court at the mall and some jerk asked us to 'speak white'...It was during the heat of the language debate so I shrugged it off.
Now, however, with myself and my wife advocating for these new arrivals and getting them accustomed to Canada, I've kind of been thrust into the midst of it.
skipper dave 1/13/2013 11:04:09 AM Report
Stats I agree in most but still think racism is taught. A bunch of three year olds left to their own devices will quite happily mix and mingle without prejudice. My father killed Germans in the second world war. When he came home we were exposed to his hatred and yes it had a negative influence that I had to work thru. My Dad died a very bitter soul because of the influx of immigrants from Germany taking Canadian jobs. I honestly believe that hatred does more damage to the hater then those who are hated. Let us look forward to the time after the complete integration of all colours thru some great sex when we have just pale brown people living on this planet.
right wing 1/13/2013 11:16:40 AM Report
Have your son(s) carry a small note pad and pen on their person.
The next time they are stopped by a police officer just walking down the street have them write down the date, time, the officers name and badge number.
Have them record the reason the police office stopped them.
Then call up the local media with your claim(s) of racism, with all the recorded information it will bring credibility and attention to the matter.
skipper dave 1/13/2013 11:20:24 AM Report
Oh, oh I've let the cat out of the bag - I like buns and a lot of the paler folk, well I'm sorry but I'm thinking trucker butt syndrome here. Take me for instance, flat as an iron and off balance when walking upright. Now my beautiful wife, well my interest was sparked when she walked away from me. French thru and thru, look like their built to drop babies, love it. But seriously is that a form of prejudice? Now that wasn't taught. I haven't found the kind of hatred here in my beloved Soo that jim is talking about and that's not to say it doesn't exist but I think it's minute and if you've adopted black children then yes you will run into it. Also Jim it sounds like some you've sponsored are adults themselves and we all come with baggage.
mallet 1/13/2013 11:23:12 AM Report
What you say is perfectly correct, I do have a little bit of a problem with the last bit about the "white trash", "social Outcasts", and a system that has failed the least fortunate. How can any system help people who do not wished to be helped? Most of the people who fall foul of the law around town are white, no disputing that, but why, drugs, alcohol dependency? most likely. So you throw money at rehab, I think we had this discussion a few days ago, you have to want to stop, otherwise all the clinics in the world cannot help you. The justice system, starts by giving probation, how many times have you seen same people arrested, followed by so many counts of breach of probation. So what do we do, how do we make sure everyone has a great safe non abused, physically,sexually, mentally childhood, My childhood consisted of going in and out of air-raid shelters at all times of the day or night, I guess you could call that shitty, didn't stop me from going to school, getting a reasonable education,going to work, so where did I go wrong??
flyhawk25 1/13/2013 11:24:13 AM Report
Two references today to "colour".
Exactly what colour are they?
Green? Orange? How about blue with big pink dots?
That would be worth noting.
But if they are black so what? Or if they are beige? What's the big deal?
Black and beige people make up the majority of the world.
We do have a problem in this city.And we will until our kids start marrying and having beautiful beige babies.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 11:42:41 AM Report
good idea !
right wing 1/13/2013 11:56:27 AM Report
Racism is everywhere.
Mayberry was the worst of them all.
Not a person of colour ever stepped a foot inside of Mayberry.
I think Andy and Barney ran them all off to Mount Pilot.
Pink Peony 1/13/2013 11:58:09 AM Report
The other day, I went to a Mac's store and when I walked in, the fella behind the counter didn't make eye contact. When I saw him I wondered if he was one of your boys. I got what I needed and approached the counter. I was thinking to myself how hard it must be for him in this city because of the many ignorant things I've heard coming out of some people's mouths here. As I handed over the money for my stuff, I noticed his eye had broken blood vessels. I wondered to myself if some ignorant moron punched him in the face because of his colour.
right wing 1/13/2013 11:58:56 AM Report
Just make sure you instruct your sons to notify the officer(s) that he is going to reach into his pocket or back pack for a pad and pen.
right wing 1/13/2013 12:00:21 PM Report
I think you wonder way to much.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 12:06:23 PM Report
All of the persons I've sponsored have been witness to horrible acts of racism and genocide. That racism was based on religion or tribe affiliation, not appearance. So for the most part, they are not even aware of 'appearance-based' racism even when it is directed at them.
I, on the other hand, being North American, have been subjected to the African American / First Nation type of racism argument, based mostly on appearance.
As their advocate/father/sponsor, it is my responsibility to help them adapt to Canada.
Adapting is knowing (and following) the rules, knowing your rights, and becoming a contributing member of society.
Adapting does not include smiling and saying thank you when you are handed a bag of crap.
Pink Peony 1/13/2013 12:19:08 PM Report
I think you talk too much.
Pink Peony 1/13/2013 12:21:41 PM Report
Do you do that to your family too...criticize them for who they are and how they think?
Jimssm 1/13/2013 12:38:30 PM Report
The fellow that works at MAC's is Peter (not one of mine).
He is a sponsored refugee from the same camp as one of my sons. He's been here for about 1 1/2 years.
His eye problem was not due to anything sinister. In fact, the girl having something thrown at her from a car is the only overt act that I know of.
Canna D. Yenn 1/13/2013 1:21:40 PM Report
I constantly have to remind myself that certain contributors to this forum do not represent the whole of the View Room participants, just as bullies do not define an entire school population or gangs in the urban core do not represent a city. There are distinctive elements in all of society, some self-serving and others with loftier goals, but no one part represents the whole.
As unfortunate as a racially motivated incident or two are, or appear to be, they do not represent the attitude or mindset of all of us.
That is not to say we should ignore these occurrences. Left unchecked they could grow into an ugly blight that will affect all of us.
theprotector 1/13/2013 1:25:42 PM Report
The Sault is known for its racism. I have friends from all over the country who simply will not stop here because of it. I have had to drive to Sudbury to visit with them and even more now as many have kids and dont want their kids exposed to the "garbage sault" as some call it. Hell read the posts on this site and that explains much as to why the Sault has the rep it does!
Just Curious 1/13/2013 1:40:05 PM Report
Not very good friends,I would say,Protector. Besides,you drive all the way to Sudbury just to expose them to it...
right wing 1/13/2013 1:55:01 PM Report
You have friends?
TFinn 1/13/2013 2:01:31 PM Report
You have got to be joking ….I personally have never even heard of or ever seen racism as to how you describe it …I think you are over exaggerating something that is just not true..!! I am not saying that there is no racism …there is .. everywhere on this planet, but for your friends to say such a thing about the Soo is simply ludicrous ..!Sorry ...I call BS on this one..!
Canna D. Yenn 1/13/2013 2:04:26 PM Report
It’s so sad to have such prejudicial friends.
In my extensive travels, I have never heard the Sault to be anything you purport it to be, but keep spreading this kind of tripe and it will become an actuality.
right wing 1/13/2013 2:25:11 PM Report
I second your claim of B.S., just look at the source of the post.
right wing 1/13/2013 2:27:37 PM Report
...and why keep on driving to Sudbury when you can simply move there.
I'll help you pack.....
Oldie Goldie 1/13/2013 2:27:56 PM Report
Racism in the Soo is only practiced by few people compared to the many who don't discriminate.
Our son married a Hindu girl who was taught English as well as Punjabi.
She is a delight to be with and the 2 grandchildren that she gave birth to are adored by us and many who meet them.
They are also top students in School because of the work ethic taught them by their mother.
I was taught by my Parents that all are equal regardless of colour or creed---I am thankful for my parents who taught me that.
Javaman 1/13/2013 2:32:30 PM Report
I refuse to live anywhere else!!! .No hurricanes...no floods...no fires...no tornadoes etc. The SOO is a well kept secret. The climate is perfect..allowing for sports of all kinds and all those fall colours...wow. Being on the border adds another great dimension. I have lived here all my life and have yet to see folks overly prejudicial.
Wicket 1/13/2013 2:33:43 PM Report
"A top aboriginal chief, Matthew Coon Come, who was among a delegation of chiefs that met with Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Ottawa on Friday, says it's time for Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence to save face and end her hunger strike — now on its 33rd day. "
Read the article...
Jimssm 1/13/2013 2:42:30 PM Report
Nothing my sons or their friends have experienced here in the Soo could be considered hate or anything close to it.
I just want to make that clear.
It's the stupid owner that thinks that his Soo clients wouldn't be receptive to a black salesman.
It's the stupid manager that thinks a black waiter isn't appropriate but he's ok to clean tables.
It's the ignorant hotel manager that thinks black people are better porters than white people.
"Yes you can deliver furniture, but let the white guy drive the truck"
Is it strictly a Soo problem ? No.
IMHO... the same small-town attitude that we love so much also makes us cautious towards anything (anyone) new or different.
Pink Peony 1/13/2013 2:45:22 PM Report
I'm glad to hear that it has nothing to do with anything sinister! Next time I go to Macs and Peter is there, I'll say "Hi Peter" and if he asks how I know his name, would it be ok to tell him that Jim told me? Will he know who I'm talking about?
Just Curious 1/13/2013 3:44:21 PM Report
Sold out all my stuff and moved south to be closer to family as my health is not what it could be,this after 30 years in the Soo. Come spring as soon as I get some of these problems taken care of I'm moving back. Whatever it's faults the Soo is my home and I'm gonna start over again up there. At 70 it's gonna be tougher than it was the first time but I just don't want to live anywhere else...
right wing 1/13/2013 3:59:01 PM Report
I took the liberty of supplying a direct link to the actual story.
Matthew Coon Come is the type of leader that the F.N.'s needs more of.
He is educated and willing to see both sides of the issues.
Chief Spence should hang up her head band, go home, and do the job that she claims that she does so well for her band at Attawapiskat.
Wicket 1/13/2013 4:36:55 PM Report
thanks right wing for supplying the link, didn't know how to do it...
right wing 1/13/2013 4:42:25 PM Report
Do you know how to do bookmarks?
Go to this site below.
Highlight it and bookmark it.
Then whenever you want to do a tinyurl you can access the page and simply follow the instructions.
Grump 1/13/2013 4:48:55 PM Report
When I finished my stint in Saudi Arabia I was seriously thinking of retiring, which I could have done pretty much anywhere. After a good deal of serious thought I ended up coming back here. I had worked pretty much away from here most of my career and being as crazy as hell I still do. It is a great place.
Jimssm 1/13/2013 5:08:31 PM Report
Just tell him it's Pius and Bior's dad.
Spellchecker 1/13/2013 5:22:52 PM Report
Hi Skipper. I thought that might have been you waving at me but wasn't sure. I can't tell who it is through the windows. I'm beginning to recognize your vehicle so next time I will know for sure. I would like to clarify a couple of points in your posting. First of all, I am definitely not the mayor of this fine village and secondly the doggie-do wasn't going into the street. It was feeding that bush of lilacs in the front yard.
Resident 1/13/2013 5:28:16 PM Report
I've lived in several places in Canada and the U.S. For the most part I find that there is good and bad in ALL the places I've lived. I think it's a waste of time to RAH, RAH, RAH about the Soo. Be a decent person where ever you live and do what you can to make it better, I think.
right wing 1/13/2013 5:32:43 PM Report
When I worked in residential construction I met a couple that had traveled the world.
"She" was a lady of great "refinement", which was more than obvious in the way she spoke and carried herself, she had grown up and been educated in London England.
"He" was an engineer and his job had taken them all over the world but as a boy he had grown up in the Algoma District.
"She" told me that upon her husbands retirement that he disclosed to her his desire to return and live out his years in his childhood area.
"She" told me that when he brought her here she though she had come to the ends of the earth...after all they had lived all over the world.
I asked her how she liked it now.
"She" smiled at me and said now she couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I will never forget that because it taught me to really appreciate what we have here.
Grace 1/13/2013 6:45:23 PM Report
Quebec Grand Chief calls on Spence to end hunger strike
mallet 1/13/2013 8:00:49 PM Report
I would not change living anywhere else than here in the Algoma region, when we emmigrated we came straight up to the Sault as we have relatives there and bought a house within a short time. Southern Ontario held no great choice as I could have stayed in the U K and been as crowded. There was more chance of work down south, but I had a job after 2 weeks here and never looked back. When I retired after working here in Canada for 30 odd years we decided to move out to the cottage, and we shall not move again, unless it's a very slow ride...
AceOfBass 1/13/2013 8:39:02 PM Report
I agree. I was born and raised here.I have traveled all over the world.
I have been all across Canada,PEI,Cape Breton are good.
I find here we have the right mix of people.
Sure we have the yahoo who do stupid things.
Then there is that Sault ste Marie mentality which is similar to a redneck.
You know the type the Truck with gun rack, Black lab, skidoo and 200 lb poutine eating wife ,Who knows how to bait a hook,load a rifle,and operate a 4 wheeler and suck back a six pack.
Who also can put a man in his place when he gets mouthy.
Canna D. Yenn 1/13/2013 8:48:24 PM Report
A prominent columnist for a Toronto newspaper wrote a column on racist statements she received and read elsewhere in response to a column she wrote on Idle No More.
In the third paragraph of her column, she states “…... it’s getting a bit Mississippian around here.”
Now, could fellow View Room participants tell me why that is not a racist statement?
nanag 1/13/2013 9:18:28 PM Report
Ace of Bass
Wow.. I have lived here all my life and I can't say that there is a "redneck" mentality around here. We may not all be as refined as some places.. but we are NOT all 200 pound poutine eaters. I for one do not even like cheese. :)
Talk about painting everyone with the same brush...
Ace of Bass = bag of ass
Pink Peony 1/13/2013 9:31:36 PM Report
Wicket 1/13/2013 10:05:55 PM Report
Wooooooo, hoooooooooo, the Greyhounds beat London Knights - Canada's top team (2nd or 3rd in the leagues across Canada), best game ever!!!!!!
Brianne 1/13/2013 11:17:48 PM Report
"You know the type the Truck with gun rack, Black lab, skidoo and 200 lb poutine eating wife ,Who knows how to bait a hook,load a rifle,and operate a 4 wheeler and suck back a six pack.
Who also can put a man in his place when he gets mouthy."
I happen to know a few of those...... care to meet us for coffee ace ?