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Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 2:53:34 AM Report
Thank you Idle No More
As you know, Canadians are not equal in the eyes of the Canadian Justice System, or when assessed by the Canada Revenue Agency, accommodated by the government of Canada, served by the Province of Ontario, ruled by the municipality or dealt with by retail operations.
Every year, I must complete and remit to the Canada Revenue Agency, an accounting of my income and living expenses based on an inequitable Tax Code and Act. My failure to remit will result in a penalty, a fine, and if I continue to ignore to remit, a jail sentence.
As well, I also must remit additional taxes to the three levels of government and to retail operations. Combined, these personal and additional taxes equate to all the income I earn every year from January 1 to at least May 15. This is not true for all Canadian citizens.
In spite of these inequities, there is no other place on earth that I want to live. I gladly pay these expenses to be able to openly, and without fear of retribution, share fin, fur, feather, fun, land, water, and air.
Thank you, Idle No More, for offering to be the voice of reason and act as overseers for the preservation of our biosphere. Please be cautious, however, for beyond the posturing, the rhetoric and the hype, there is the truth.
Thank you Idle No More
As you know, Canadians are not equal in the eyes of the Canadian Justice System, or when assessed by the Canada Revenue Agency, accommodated by the government of Canada, served by the Province of Ontario, ruled by the municipality or dealt with by retail operations.
Every year, I must complete and remit to the Canada Revenue Agency, an accounting of my income and living expenses based on an inequitable Tax Code and Act. My failure to remit will result in a penalty, a fine, and if I continue to ignore to remit, a jail sentence.
As well, I also must remit additional taxes to the three levels of government and to retail operations. Combined, these personal and additional taxes equate to all the income I earn every year from January 1 to at least May 15. This is not true for all Canadian citizens.
In spite of these inequities, there is no other place on earth that I want to live. I gladly pay these expenses to be able to openly, and without fear of retribution, share fin, fur, feather, fun, land, water, and air.
Thank you, Idle No More, for offering to be the voice of reason and act as overseers for the preservation of our biosphere. Please be cautious, however, for beyond the posturing, the rhetoric and the hype, there is the truth.
Grace 1/12/2013 6:49:51 AM Report
highway1 1/11/2013 10:32:38 PM Report
Grace, FN's don't have seats in Parliament. When FNs organize their own political party, that will change.
Highway..When?
I would think working from the inside for a solution would be more of an advantage than from the outside!
To me being compensated financially under the treaties is all well and good but self defeating without the involvement in the day to day process.
What is happening now is the result of the idleness.
Protesting is good for attention but limited in its longevity.
highway1 1/11/2013 10:32:38 PM Report
Grace, FN's don't have seats in Parliament. When FNs organize their own political party, that will change.
Highway..When?
I would think working from the inside for a solution would be more of an advantage than from the outside!
To me being compensated financially under the treaties is all well and good but self defeating without the involvement in the day to day process.
What is happening now is the result of the idleness.
Protesting is good for attention but limited in its longevity.
AceOfBass 1/12/2013 7:07:58 AM Report
Trying to understand what exactly why so many Canadians are upset that they take to the streets and march in protest. I have listened to many of the speeches by many of the protesters and failed to comprehend what they were trying to say.
While a lady in Wisconsin came on the all night talk show and explained that the protests were about allowing industry to pollute the lakes and rivers and destroy the country.
As far fetched as that seemed to be I realized how true that was.Under the new bill , c-45 it opens the land and waterways to be developed for railways.pipelines and industrial development without any consultation with the Canadians it would affect.
We have all seen what industry has done to parts of our country when left unchecked..The oil spills,smog, clear cuts,and the raping of the land.
Putting all the rhetoric aside,and standing shoulder to shoulder as Canadians should we not join our fellow countrymen and listen to what they are saying that we need to keep our air and water clean and not destroyed by the Industrial Complex.
Trying to understand what exactly why so many Canadians are upset that they take to the streets and march in protest. I have listened to many of the speeches by many of the protesters and failed to comprehend what they were trying to say.
While a lady in Wisconsin came on the all night talk show and explained that the protests were about allowing industry to pollute the lakes and rivers and destroy the country.
As far fetched as that seemed to be I realized how true that was.Under the new bill , c-45 it opens the land and waterways to be developed for railways.pipelines and industrial development without any consultation with the Canadians it would affect.
We have all seen what industry has done to parts of our country when left unchecked..The oil spills,smog, clear cuts,and the raping of the land.
Putting all the rhetoric aside,and standing shoulder to shoulder as Canadians should we not join our fellow countrymen and listen to what they are saying that we need to keep our air and water clean and not destroyed by the Industrial Complex.
bounder 1/12/2013 8:13:28 AM Report
At $250:00 a pop for trail permits and no trails there must be some good deals on snowmachines,dead weight right now and ongoing expense.Is this the weather of the future?
At $250:00 a pop for trail permits and no trails there must be some good deals on snowmachines,dead weight right now and ongoing expense.Is this the weather of the future?
lowla 1/12/2013 8:19:49 AM Report
Foreign investment is necessary to keep our economy rolling along, and what they want is our natural resources. The biggest obstacle for the government to those resources are the approval of our Native people (duty to consult and receive approval). Here comes Bill C-45 (watered down process) to receive that approval. They don't have to consult with a majority of the eligible native voters or even their elected officials, just the majority who show up at a meeting 10 or 15)to let their land go
Foreign investment is necessary to keep our economy rolling along, and what they want is our natural resources. The biggest obstacle for the government to those resources are the approval of our Native people (duty to consult and receive approval). Here comes Bill C-45 (watered down process) to receive that approval. They don't have to consult with a majority of the eligible native voters or even their elected officials, just the majority who show up at a meeting 10 or 15)to let their land go
statusquo 1/12/2013 9:08:13 AM Report
Ace,
Very well said ! And I mean that.
Despite my poking fun at your posts from time to time, I can't disagree with you on this one.
There is hope after all.
Ace,
Very well said ! And I mean that.
Despite my poking fun at your posts from time to time, I can't disagree with you on this one.
There is hope after all.
Wicket 1/12/2013 9:16:29 AM Report
"About 400 peaceful but determined and unified aboriginal protestors took part in a First Nations Idle No More rally in Sault Ste. Marie’s downtown core Friday afternoon at the corner of Queen and Elgin Streets."
First paragraph of Sootoday news article
'unified aboriginal protestors' - is this racist? Where there not others that are not of the First Nations? Why is the media still calling this a First Nations Idle No More rally? Have they not asked everyone to join in as the bill will affect everyone in Canada. It is time to change the wording and refer to it as Canada's Idle No More movement, especially if this is to move forward, gaining more people willing to stand up for everyone's rights in Canada. Many others would probably be willing to participate if it was generally publicized in a different manner and was not always referred to as only about the natives.
"About 400 peaceful but determined and unified aboriginal protestors took part in a First Nations Idle No More rally in Sault Ste. Marie’s downtown core Friday afternoon at the corner of Queen and Elgin Streets."
First paragraph of Sootoday news article
'unified aboriginal protestors' - is this racist? Where there not others that are not of the First Nations? Why is the media still calling this a First Nations Idle No More rally? Have they not asked everyone to join in as the bill will affect everyone in Canada. It is time to change the wording and refer to it as Canada's Idle No More movement, especially if this is to move forward, gaining more people willing to stand up for everyone's rights in Canada. Many others would probably be willing to participate if it was generally publicized in a different manner and was not always referred to as only about the natives.
statusquo 1/12/2013 10:07:13 AM Report
I would like to challenge anybody to disagree with the following:
1. The status quo between the Canadian Government and First Nations is not working.
2. Most Canadians (myself included) and First Nation people do not fully understand the treaties.
3. Disagreeing does not imply racism.
4. The public discourse spawned by the Idle No More movement is by and large a good thing.
5. Being "inconvenienced" by a road block pales in comparison with the "inconvenience" the Native People have been subjected to
..and finally,
6. It takes two to tango....that is if both parties even want to tango.
I would like to challenge anybody to disagree with the following:
1. The status quo between the Canadian Government and First Nations is not working.
2. Most Canadians (myself included) and First Nation people do not fully understand the treaties.
3. Disagreeing does not imply racism.
4. The public discourse spawned by the Idle No More movement is by and large a good thing.
5. Being "inconvenienced" by a road block pales in comparison with the "inconvenience" the Native People have been subjected to
..and finally,
6. It takes two to tango....that is if both parties even want to tango.
Mr. Poster 1/12/2013 10:13:35 AM Report
Nothing can be accomplished if the natives keep changing the rules of the game. Do they REALLY want to sit down and strike a deal? Are they so entrenched in bitterness that NOTHING will satisfy them?
I have little sympathy until that 104 million dollars is accounted for. A theft has been commited and that is a crime in Canada.
Nothing can be accomplished if the natives keep changing the rules of the game. Do they REALLY want to sit down and strike a deal? Are they so entrenched in bitterness that NOTHING will satisfy them?
I have little sympathy until that 104 million dollars is accounted for. A theft has been commited and that is a crime in Canada.
right wing 1/12/2013 10:34:19 AM Report
statusquo
You can add to your list the following.
Chief Spence is not on a hunger strike.
statusquo
You can add to your list the following.
Chief Spence is not on a hunger strike.
Just Curious 1/12/2013 10:36:26 AM Report
Status,I fully agree,especially with 3 and 6. It seems like every one wants it their way or no way and without some middle ground this thing will never get resolved. I know for a fact it will never happen in my lifetime ,if it ever does at all.The biggest problem,at least in my humble opinion is that they(natives) can't seem to get in step with one leader and let him do the job. T Spence is definitely not a good choice and some are starting to back away from that ,at least.
Status,I fully agree,especially with 3 and 6. It seems like every one wants it their way or no way and without some middle ground this thing will never get resolved. I know for a fact it will never happen in my lifetime ,if it ever does at all.The biggest problem,at least in my humble opinion is that they(natives) can't seem to get in step with one leader and let him do the job. T Spence is definitely not a good choice and some are starting to back away from that ,at least.
Spellchecker 1/12/2013 10:39:00 AM Report
And while he's doing the tango, perhaps it would be best not to call his partner an insane child abuser for having a worldview different than his own.
And while he's doing the tango, perhaps it would be best not to call his partner an insane child abuser for having a worldview different than his own.
flyhawk25 1/12/2013 10:42:48 AM Report
Mr. Poster...according to your theory then any group who allegedly takes tax money and misuses it is guilty of a crime and out of the dialogue.
Let's begin by assuming that the FN did misuse funds.I am still not convinced of that but for the sake of the theory we'll go with that.
Now.
Let's all make a laundry list of tax money that has been lost, misspent or stolen over just our life times.
Just who the hell do we talk to ?
The senate?
Elected officials?
Corporations?
Churches?
Unions?
Be realistic.
Mr. Poster...according to your theory then any group who allegedly takes tax money and misuses it is guilty of a crime and out of the dialogue.
Let's begin by assuming that the FN did misuse funds.I am still not convinced of that but for the sake of the theory we'll go with that.
Now.
Let's all make a laundry list of tax money that has been lost, misspent or stolen over just our life times.
Just who the hell do we talk to ?
The senate?
Elected officials?
Corporations?
Churches?
Unions?
Be realistic.
old-cat33 1/12/2013 10:49:01 AM Report
Damn you global warming!! Now I lost all the base I had made for the driveway and there is suppose to be snow on the way?
Mr Poster: The government just doesn't hand out millions of dollars.Every year there has to be an audit and then they decide how much funding each reserve gets.
There has to be more than one hand in the cookie jar or the government that you guys voted in is just plain stupid?
Damn you global warming!! Now I lost all the base I had made for the driveway and there is suppose to be snow on the way?
Mr Poster: The government just doesn't hand out millions of dollars.Every year there has to be an audit and then they decide how much funding each reserve gets.
There has to be more than one hand in the cookie jar or the government that you guys voted in is just plain stupid?
TFinn 1/12/2013 10:52:11 AM Report
Mr. Poster
"Allegedly" unaccounted for …however it will be the undoing of their plight. Answers will certainly be called for in this matter. Spence will become an outcast if they can not account for these or any funds. We are talking a huge amount of funds in this case, 104 million, and the government will be like a dog with a bone now …heads will roll and set backs will be inevitable. FN’s may want to rethink having a person, that will undoubtedly be under a microscope, people will be held accountable at many levels. The can of worms has been opened.
Mr. Poster
"Allegedly" unaccounted for …however it will be the undoing of their plight. Answers will certainly be called for in this matter. Spence will become an outcast if they can not account for these or any funds. We are talking a huge amount of funds in this case, 104 million, and the government will be like a dog with a bone now …heads will roll and set backs will be inevitable. FN’s may want to rethink having a person, that will undoubtedly be under a microscope, people will be held accountable at many levels. The can of worms has been opened.
right wing 1/12/2013 10:53:38 AM Report
Education is the key and there is so much smoke and mirror going on presently it is blinding.
Not all First Nations leaders completely agree with the Idle No More movement or entirely disagree with what Harper is trying to accomplish.
http://tinyurl.com/a447njg
Education is the key and there is so much smoke and mirror going on presently it is blinding.
Not all First Nations leaders completely agree with the Idle No More movement or entirely disagree with what Harper is trying to accomplish.
http://tinyurl.com/a447njg
right wing 1/12/2013 10:56:58 AM Report
One of the changes to the Indian Act is a public disclosure of the salaries of all First Nations chiefs and disclosure of all funding each band receives.
Now why would anybody protest that?
One of the changes to the Indian Act is a public disclosure of the salaries of all First Nations chiefs and disclosure of all funding each band receives.
Now why would anybody protest that?
Wicket 1/12/2013 10:59:43 AM Report
As with any large group of people, there is disagreement as to what the issues are. Living in different areas of the COUNTRY gives everyone different issues from the others.
If the natives cannot get together and focus on a WRITTEN document asking for whatever it is they have AGREED on, this whole thing is going to self-implode.
In listening to some of them speak and reading on-line, some of them change their DEMANDS from day-to-day.
Perhaps the DEMANDS should be changed to REQUESTS. Vinegar erradicates a lot of things, sugar melts in your mouth and makes you feel good.
As with any large group of people, there is disagreement as to what the issues are. Living in different areas of the COUNTRY gives everyone different issues from the others.
If the natives cannot get together and focus on a WRITTEN document asking for whatever it is they have AGREED on, this whole thing is going to self-implode.
In listening to some of them speak and reading on-line, some of them change their DEMANDS from day-to-day.
Perhaps the DEMANDS should be changed to REQUESTS. Vinegar erradicates a lot of things, sugar melts in your mouth and makes you feel good.
Jimssm 1/12/2013 12:00:18 PM Report
right wing...
I don't think bill C-45 (which Idle no More is Protesting) has anything in it
about disclosure of funding.
Feel free to correct me but I can't find anything in there about funding or disclosure.
right wing...
I don't think bill C-45 (which Idle no More is Protesting) has anything in it
about disclosure of funding.
Feel free to correct me but I can't find anything in there about funding or disclosure.
By your leave 1/12/2013 12:06:00 PM Report
Mutual respect, communication (listening, explaining, understanding), and prioritized action always produces poisitive results.
Mutual respect, communication (listening, explaining, understanding), and prioritized action always produces poisitive results.
sparks7 1/12/2013 12:15:01 PM Report
ECONOMICS 101
It's true what they taught me.The law of supply and demand is irrefutable.I can't help but notice the price of seafood just going through the roof these days.So Spence,please,for the well being of all of us please stop guzzling fish broth.
oil driller
ECONOMICS 101
It's true what they taught me.The law of supply and demand is irrefutable.I can't help but notice the price of seafood just going through the roof these days.So Spence,please,for the well being of all of us please stop guzzling fish broth.
oil driller
BIG BROTHER 1/12/2013 12:24:35 PM Report
Aside from sparks7, thank you all for the pleasant discussion today. The Native people aren't strangers to us....they share all the human hardships (and then some) that we all experience. Their plight didn't happen overnight and cannot be cured overnight. Understanding and patience is required from all. Status is right.....the status quo isn't working. On that we can all agree.
Aside from sparks7, thank you all for the pleasant discussion today. The Native people aren't strangers to us....they share all the human hardships (and then some) that we all experience. Their plight didn't happen overnight and cannot be cured overnight. Understanding and patience is required from all. Status is right.....the status quo isn't working. On that we can all agree.
mallet 1/12/2013 12:29:38 PM Report
Old Cat 33...
I like the global warming/climate change, I just wish mother nature would make up her mind as to wether it should be warm or cold.... I, too lost all that nice base I had build up over the few snowstorms we had, and now got to start all over again...
On that other topic, of course there's more than one set of fingers in the cookie jar.. as my old man used to say figures don't lie, but liars figure.. and that goes for all in positions where they can get at that jar...
Old Cat 33...
I like the global warming/climate change, I just wish mother nature would make up her mind as to wether it should be warm or cold.... I, too lost all that nice base I had build up over the few snowstorms we had, and now got to start all over again...
On that other topic, of course there's more than one set of fingers in the cookie jar.. as my old man used to say figures don't lie, but liars figure.. and that goes for all in positions where they can get at that jar...
Jimssm 1/12/2013 12:51:40 PM Report
right wing...
I read the entire article...and i agree that Chief Spence and some other leaders should be held accountable ... by their band members (and MAYBE the Feds)
But Idle No More from what I read and see is protesting Bill C45 and the removal of environmental protections it contains. This involves all of us, not just Natives.
I have seen no protests regarding not wanting financial accountability by the Chiefs or Band Councils.
right wing...
I read the entire article...and i agree that Chief Spence and some other leaders should be held accountable ... by their band members (and MAYBE the Feds)
But Idle No More from what I read and see is protesting Bill C45 and the removal of environmental protections it contains. This involves all of us, not just Natives.
I have seen no protests regarding not wanting financial accountability by the Chiefs or Band Councils.
Grump 1/12/2013 1:29:22 PM Report
Jimssm more to the point you haven't seen any of the Chiefs stating that it is a must either
Jimssm more to the point you haven't seen any of the Chiefs stating that it is a must either
Mr. Poster 1/12/2013 1:37:09 PM Report
WEll Flyhawk...it is nice to see you must consider 104 million noyt worth investigating. How dare we ask the bands to account for the money since churches, corps etc steal all the time .ACCOUNTABILITY STILL TRUMPS A DO NOTHING ATTITUDE.
WEll Flyhawk...it is nice to see you must consider 104 million noyt worth investigating. How dare we ask the bands to account for the money since churches, corps etc steal all the time .ACCOUNTABILITY STILL TRUMPS A DO NOTHING ATTITUDE.
sparks7 1/12/2013 1:40:24 PM Report
Hey Big Bro
Here is a funny thing.I have been looking at all this blog for about a year now.I have seen some that state that these blogs will not ever make a difference to anybody's thought process.People that say that are wrong.My political stripes have changed a few times over the years depending on what is going on.You however, are nothing but a narrow minded dink just like I called you that a year ago.Your political leanings are very similar to mine,but i will tell you this.I would rather sit down and drink a beer and have dinner and a few laughs with guys like Right Wing and Steelworker any day.
Hey Big Bro
Here is a funny thing.I have been looking at all this blog for about a year now.I have seen some that state that these blogs will not ever make a difference to anybody's thought process.People that say that are wrong.My political stripes have changed a few times over the years depending on what is going on.You however, are nothing but a narrow minded dink just like I called you that a year ago.Your political leanings are very similar to mine,but i will tell you this.I would rather sit down and drink a beer and have dinner and a few laughs with guys like Right Wing and Steelworker any day.
flyhawk25 1/12/2013 1:50:15 PM Report
Mr. Poster...I had to re-read what I wrote because I did not mean to imply that over $100M is chump change.
But - if it is true - where do we find an impartial voice to sort this out?
Certainly not from the majority on here.
Mr. Poster...I had to re-read what I wrote because I did not mean to imply that over $100M is chump change.
But - if it is true - where do we find an impartial voice to sort this out?
Certainly not from the majority on here.
Mr. Poster 1/12/2013 2:07:10 PM Report
What about the auditor general? It is sad to think we are stuck because no one can be trusted to the right thing. I am afraid that if all of this cannot be sorted out we may be heading for a type of civil war.
What about the auditor general? It is sad to think we are stuck because no one can be trusted to the right thing. I am afraid that if all of this cannot be sorted out we may be heading for a type of civil war.
right wing 1/12/2013 2:11:38 PM Report
"The movement, which began in November and quickly spread, is largely a protest against Bill C-45, the federal government's omnibus bill that proposes changes to the Navigable Protection Act as well as the Indian Act, raising fears it will breach aboriginal treaty rights."
Jimssm
The publishing of the Chiefs wages and money transferred to band is part of the Indian Act proposed changes.
You welcome.
If you lead a horse to water do you have to make him drink? Good grief!
"The movement, which began in November and quickly spread, is largely a protest against Bill C-45, the federal government's omnibus bill that proposes changes to the Navigable Protection Act as well as the Indian Act, raising fears it will breach aboriginal treaty rights."
Jimssm
The publishing of the Chiefs wages and money transferred to band is part of the Indian Act proposed changes.
You welcome.
If you lead a horse to water do you have to make him drink? Good grief!
old-cat33 1/12/2013 2:13:29 PM Report
mallet: Well we are going to have another chance at making our base again I guess because snow is on the way...LOL.My Grams would call this time of year "The January Thaw" but I can't remember it being this thawish? If that is even a word?
flyhawk: You where right that building I was asking about is across from Reggie's Tavern (with the wooden revolving door) Thanks.
Brianne:With the NHL starting back I was going to ask you to knit me a pair of small mittens (baby size) with the dummy strings attached to hang from my rear view mirror of my truck? (Bruin colours of course)
So what do you say good looking eh? eh?
mallet: Well we are going to have another chance at making our base again I guess because snow is on the way...LOL.My Grams would call this time of year "The January Thaw" but I can't remember it being this thawish? If that is even a word?
flyhawk: You where right that building I was asking about is across from Reggie's Tavern (with the wooden revolving door) Thanks.
Brianne:With the NHL starting back I was going to ask you to knit me a pair of small mittens (baby size) with the dummy strings attached to hang from my rear view mirror of my truck? (Bruin colours of course)
So what do you say good looking eh? eh?
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 2:15:08 PM Report
As with many movements, when you get more and more people involved, the original focus is often lost and the movement takes on a life of its own... such is the case with Idle No More. (IMHO)
The movement is not speaking with a unified voice and that leads to confusion amongst many of us who may have studied the inception issues and agree.
We even are willing to stand with or march in the demonstrations with the original premise, but not necessarily so when the focus changes and evolves into something more.
As with many movements, when you get more and more people involved, the original focus is often lost and the movement takes on a life of its own... such is the case with Idle No More. (IMHO)
The movement is not speaking with a unified voice and that leads to confusion amongst many of us who may have studied the inception issues and agree.
We even are willing to stand with or march in the demonstrations with the original premise, but not necessarily so when the focus changes and evolves into something more.
Jimssm 1/12/2013 2:54:22 PM Report
Right wing....
"The publishing of the Chiefs wages and money transferred to band is part of the Indian Act proposed changes"
....which isn't in Bill C-45. So I guess you still haven't read it.
The changes you refer to in the Indian Act are NOT part of C-45 but C-27, introduced over a year ago.
IDLE NO MORE does not seem to have a quarrel with more accountability by the Chiefs or Councils, at least not in any of the interviews I've seen.
Your point about leading a horse to water...?
I was just thinking the same thing.
Right wing....
"The publishing of the Chiefs wages and money transferred to band is part of the Indian Act proposed changes"
....which isn't in Bill C-45. So I guess you still haven't read it.
The changes you refer to in the Indian Act are NOT part of C-45 but C-27, introduced over a year ago.
IDLE NO MORE does not seem to have a quarrel with more accountability by the Chiefs or Councils, at least not in any of the interviews I've seen.
Your point about leading a horse to water...?
I was just thinking the same thing.
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 2:57:02 PM Report
These two chiefs know how to challenge sections of the omnibus bill the right way! The way that could actually make a difference unlike the protests.
http://tinyurl.com/bxr2ntn
"They are asking for a judicial review of the environmental provisions in two budget bills — Bill C-38 and Bill C-45 — because of proposed changes to the Fisheries Act and the Navigable Waters Protection Act."
These two chiefs know how to challenge sections of the omnibus bill the right way! The way that could actually make a difference unlike the protests.
http://tinyurl.com/bxr2ntn
"They are asking for a judicial review of the environmental provisions in two budget bills — Bill C-38 and Bill C-45 — because of proposed changes to the Fisheries Act and the Navigable Waters Protection Act."
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 3:00:17 PM Report
Here's the amendments to the Indian Act. Nothing about wages.
http://parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5942521&File=194#6
Here's the amendments to the Indian Act. Nothing about wages.
http://parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5942521&File=194#6
Jimssm 1/12/2013 3:01:36 PM Report
Grump....
So true.
I'm hoping the Idle no More movement will shake the 'Chief and Council' network up enough that they will clean up their act and become truly accountable to their consituents.
Maybe it's to much of a stretch, but I'm hoping
Grump....
So true.
I'm hoping the Idle no More movement will shake the 'Chief and Council' network up enough that they will clean up their act and become truly accountable to their consituents.
Maybe it's to much of a stretch, but I'm hoping
ginjur 1/12/2013 3:02:36 PM Report
"Idle No More is a grassroots movement started by four indigenous women in Saskatchewan to organize teach-ins about the Conservative government's pending legislation. In early December the Harper government passed a sweeping omnibus budget bill C-45 in which were hidden numerous - largely undiscussed - changes to existing Canadian laws. Most notable is erosion of First Nations' treaty rights without the full consultation and consent required by the Canadian Constitution and the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. The bill also eviscerated the Navigable Waters Protection Act, weakening environmental oversight for over a million lakes and rivers and paving the way for pipelines and rapid resource and tar sands development, often on traditional First Peoples' lands."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/06/1174977/-Idle-No-More-Native-Civil-Rights-Global-Environment-Politics-of-Canada-Largest-US-Trade-Partner
"Idle No More is a grassroots movement started by four indigenous women in Saskatchewan to organize teach-ins about the Conservative government's pending legislation. In early December the Harper government passed a sweeping omnibus budget bill C-45 in which were hidden numerous - largely undiscussed - changes to existing Canadian laws. Most notable is erosion of First Nations' treaty rights without the full consultation and consent required by the Canadian Constitution and the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. The bill also eviscerated the Navigable Waters Protection Act, weakening environmental oversight for over a million lakes and rivers and paving the way for pipelines and rapid resource and tar sands development, often on traditional First Peoples' lands."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/06/1174977/-Idle-No-More-Native-Civil-Rights-Global-Environment-Politics-of-Canada-Largest-US-Trade-Partner
ginjur 1/12/2013 3:05:57 PM Report
As a grassroots movement, Idle No More does NOT have a leader. Rather it is evolving and reflects the politics, interests and goals of the people who choose to be involved. A grassroots movement springs up spontaneously on the local level where a community feels there is a pressing need for change. This movement is growing and spreading because the need for change is perceived by many across the country. It is difficult to predict how this grassroots movement will continue to unfold.
As a grassroots movement, Idle No More does NOT have a leader. Rather it is evolving and reflects the politics, interests and goals of the people who choose to be involved. A grassroots movement springs up spontaneously on the local level where a community feels there is a pressing need for change. This movement is growing and spreading because the need for change is perceived by many across the country. It is difficult to predict how this grassroots movement will continue to unfold.
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 3:43:18 PM Report
Are there any ladies out there that used to play two balls on a wall? I don't know what it was actually called but you have two rubber balls and juggle them on the wall and sing a tune or sing a tune and do tricks...one hand, the other hand, one foot, the other foot, clap in the front, clap in the back, etc. I wonder if any young girls play that any more.
Are there any ladies out there that used to play two balls on a wall? I don't know what it was actually called but you have two rubber balls and juggle them on the wall and sing a tune or sing a tune and do tricks...one hand, the other hand, one foot, the other foot, clap in the front, clap in the back, etc. I wonder if any young girls play that any more.
right wing 1/12/2013 3:49:16 PM Report
Jimssm
Do really enjoy picking fly shit out of pepper that much or is it just me that you love.
I'm flattered that you put my posts under a microscope, it shows you care.
Have you donated to the Chief Spence fish broth foundation?
Jimssm
Do really enjoy picking fly shit out of pepper that much or is it just me that you love.
I'm flattered that you put my posts under a microscope, it shows you care.
Have you donated to the Chief Spence fish broth foundation?
right wing 1/12/2013 3:50:31 PM Report
P.P.
I know some girls that play with....
Hahahaha...forget it, way to easy.
Thanks for the laugh P.P.
P.P.
I know some girls that play with....
Hahahaha...forget it, way to easy.
Thanks for the laugh P.P.
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 3:50:37 PM Report
The thing that triggered the ball game memory was my purchase of a solid brass bell with a wooden handle...similar to the bells used outdoors at schools "back in the day". It's so cool!
The thing that triggered the ball game memory was my purchase of a solid brass bell with a wooden handle...similar to the bells used outdoors at schools "back in the day". It's so cool!
right wing 1/12/2013 3:51:59 PM Report
ginjur
It is easy to predict, just like the "Occupy" movement was.
ginjur
It is easy to predict, just like the "Occupy" movement was.
mallet 1/12/2013 3:54:59 PM Report
ginjur...
The N W P act is somewhat out of date, navigable waters in the act means anything that is deep enough to float a canoe. Seeing as there are 4 (four) studies that are made for every application removing some is not that big a deal, seeing as how you would still have your provincial oversight and enviromental studies to be made,and also if they were going across F N lands they would have to be consulted anyhow. As for the U N. I have no time for that bunch of parasites, their Human Rights committee is made up of some of the biggest violators on the planet..
Sometimes laws have to be modernized, otherwise you will never move forward, same goes for treaties, what was envisioned 150 years ago does not necessarily meet todays needs.. If everyone wants something different it is very hard to please everyone, would you not say???
There are 600 odd Chiefs for half a million F N . not counting Metis.. but only 300 odd M P's for the other 34 million at the Federal level...
ginjur...
The N W P act is somewhat out of date, navigable waters in the act means anything that is deep enough to float a canoe. Seeing as there are 4 (four) studies that are made for every application removing some is not that big a deal, seeing as how you would still have your provincial oversight and enviromental studies to be made,and also if they were going across F N lands they would have to be consulted anyhow. As for the U N. I have no time for that bunch of parasites, their Human Rights committee is made up of some of the biggest violators on the planet..
Sometimes laws have to be modernized, otherwise you will never move forward, same goes for treaties, what was envisioned 150 years ago does not necessarily meet todays needs.. If everyone wants something different it is very hard to please everyone, would you not say???
There are 600 odd Chiefs for half a million F N . not counting Metis.. but only 300 odd M P's for the other 34 million at the Federal level...
Brianne 1/12/2013 3:57:30 PM Report
Old cat........... you charming devil you......... wee mitties coming up !
Old cat........... you charming devil you......... wee mitties coming up !
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 4:01:35 PM Report
A person stands on the edge of a high roof. Below a crowd gathers; some even shout “Jump!” Without any ‘action’ the crowd dissipates; the jumper comes down.
A child in a super market loudly shouts and deliberately stomps around, lies on the floor and starts kicking and screaming. The mother ignores the vocal demands and moves on down the aisle. The kid stops screaming and kicking and eventually catches up to mom.
An orator in Hyde Park in London steps up to speakers’ corner and starts to deliver a tirade. A crowd gathers. Seeing no substance in the accusations and demands, and the obvious lack of credibility in the speaker, the crowd dwindles until no one is left. The speaker moves on.
An irrational, unstable demonstrator with suicidal tendencies camps out on an island in the Ottawa River….....
Oh never mind… you get my point.
A person stands on the edge of a high roof. Below a crowd gathers; some even shout “Jump!” Without any ‘action’ the crowd dissipates; the jumper comes down.
A child in a super market loudly shouts and deliberately stomps around, lies on the floor and starts kicking and screaming. The mother ignores the vocal demands and moves on down the aisle. The kid stops screaming and kicking and eventually catches up to mom.
An orator in Hyde Park in London steps up to speakers’ corner and starts to deliver a tirade. A crowd gathers. Seeing no substance in the accusations and demands, and the obvious lack of credibility in the speaker, the crowd dwindles until no one is left. The speaker moves on.
An irrational, unstable demonstrator with suicidal tendencies camps out on an island in the Ottawa River….....
Oh never mind… you get my point.
realitycheck 1/12/2013 4:08:51 PM Report
Jimssm
Do really enjoy picking fly shit out of pepper that much or is it just me that you love.
Right Wing:
Actually, Jimssm was just making a correction of fact. The change in regard to transparency was in Bill C-27. Part of the applicable section follows:
3. The purpose of this Act is to enhance the financial accountability and transparency of First Nations by requiring the preparation and public disclosure of their audited consolidated financial statements and of the schedules of remuneration paid and expenses reimbursed to a First Nation’s chief and each of its councillors . . .
Jimssm
Do really enjoy picking fly shit out of pepper that much or is it just me that you love.
Right Wing:
Actually, Jimssm was just making a correction of fact. The change in regard to transparency was in Bill C-27. Part of the applicable section follows:
3. The purpose of this Act is to enhance the financial accountability and transparency of First Nations by requiring the preparation and public disclosure of their audited consolidated financial statements and of the schedules of remuneration paid and expenses reimbursed to a First Nation’s chief and each of its councillors . . .
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 4:09:40 PM Report
Got it, Canna D. Yenn. Creative Canadian name btw!
"I'm willing to die for my people", "I want this and I want that", "I got this and I got that but I like that attention I'm getting so I'll keep dying for my people", "all cameras on me eh", "HEY, no talking about the money, go away!"
Got it, Canna D. Yenn. Creative Canadian name btw!
"I'm willing to die for my people", "I want this and I want that", "I got this and I got that but I like that attention I'm getting so I'll keep dying for my people", "all cameras on me eh", "HEY, no talking about the money, go away!"
right wing 1/12/2013 4:11:04 PM Report
mallet
Good luck in pointing out anything to ginjur.
I have tried and all you get back is the same repetitive post(s).
Some just do not what to see what really is but would rather believe in what gives them a "cause".
If I had a nickel for each time in my lifetime that I have heard that a bill or a law was going to be the end of our environment I'd be rich!
mallet
Good luck in pointing out anything to ginjur.
I have tried and all you get back is the same repetitive post(s).
Some just do not what to see what really is but would rather believe in what gives them a "cause".
If I had a nickel for each time in my lifetime that I have heard that a bill or a law was going to be the end of our environment I'd be rich!
right wing 1/12/2013 4:21:00 PM Report
realitycheck
If you look at my original statement I did not state which bill it belonged to.
Just that it was a fact and that it had been protested.
"One of the changes to the Indian Act is a public disclosure of the salaries of all First Nations chiefs and disclosure of all funding each band receives.
Now why would anybody protest that?"
Of course Jimssm being himself along with the fact I posted it went on his usual (wrong) dissection of what I posted.
Hey, whatever turns his crank....
Now if you read the link I posted prior to this there are further links in that story that discussed this.
It was protested.
realitycheck
If you look at my original statement I did not state which bill it belonged to.
Just that it was a fact and that it had been protested.
"One of the changes to the Indian Act is a public disclosure of the salaries of all First Nations chiefs and disclosure of all funding each band receives.
Now why would anybody protest that?"
Of course Jimssm being himself along with the fact I posted it went on his usual (wrong) dissection of what I posted.
Hey, whatever turns his crank....
Now if you read the link I posted prior to this there are further links in that story that discussed this.
It was protested.
steelworker 1/12/2013 4:21:03 PM Report
Pam Palmeter (a professional activist) was just on CTV news claiming that Spence was basically a micrcosm of the native population. If this is the case then every native would weigh 300lbs.,drive an Escalade and have a "significant other" that makes $850.00 a day. Where do I sign up. It looks like Spence went to Davy Johnstones' house for the free buffet (sorry; I meant super-serious meeting wink wink) but had trouble getting her head in the door. I'll be here all week,don't miss my three shows a day with a 2 drink minimum. Thank you, thank you very much.
Pam Palmeter (a professional activist) was just on CTV news claiming that Spence was basically a micrcosm of the native population. If this is the case then every native would weigh 300lbs.,drive an Escalade and have a "significant other" that makes $850.00 a day. Where do I sign up. It looks like Spence went to Davy Johnstones' house for the free buffet (sorry; I meant super-serious meeting wink wink) but had trouble getting her head in the door. I'll be here all week,don't miss my three shows a day with a 2 drink minimum. Thank you, thank you very much.
right wing 1/12/2013 4:25:13 PM Report
sparks7
Do not blame Big Bro.
He is under a lot of stress as he invested heavily in green power and is anxiously waiting for it to reach parity. We'll all be dead before it ever happens but hey, narrow minds believe it.
;)
sparks7
Do not blame Big Bro.
He is under a lot of stress as he invested heavily in green power and is anxiously waiting for it to reach parity. We'll all be dead before it ever happens but hey, narrow minds believe it.
;)
Pink Peony 1/12/2013 4:25:28 PM Report
It's not the Indian Act though. It's the First Nations Financial Transparency Act and that's not part of the omnibus bill.
It's not the Indian Act though. It's the First Nations Financial Transparency Act and that's not part of the omnibus bill.
mallet 1/12/2013 4:59:31 PM Report
Right Wing..
Coming from over the pond, we have/had some really good (funny ha ha) laws there. The LDOA (lords day observence act) allows you to be fined the sum of one halfpenny if you are out of your parish without the priest's permission. The hackney carriage act (London diesel taxis) states the cab must have a bale of hay and bucket of water in the boot (trunk) for the horse. Sometimes governments take a look at all the laws on the books and starts to think "do we really need all these" and removes all or part which has no use in todays world.
The only reason I have some knowledge of the N W P act is because we had a stream/watercourse that a logger interferred with and the Min of Oceans and Fisheries were involved when we had to replace a small culvert that the water drained through, the MTO did most of the paperwork but we as the road board had to sign off on it...
Right Wing..
Coming from over the pond, we have/had some really good (funny ha ha) laws there. The LDOA (lords day observence act) allows you to be fined the sum of one halfpenny if you are out of your parish without the priest's permission. The hackney carriage act (London diesel taxis) states the cab must have a bale of hay and bucket of water in the boot (trunk) for the horse. Sometimes governments take a look at all the laws on the books and starts to think "do we really need all these" and removes all or part which has no use in todays world.
The only reason I have some knowledge of the N W P act is because we had a stream/watercourse that a logger interferred with and the Min of Oceans and Fisheries were involved when we had to replace a small culvert that the water drained through, the MTO did most of the paperwork but we as the road board had to sign off on it...
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 5:12:02 PM Report
I respectfully suggest that while much attention addresses the nation’s ‘potential’ environmental impact in changing legislation, more local attention should address our own area’s ticking time bombs.
We have a current daily practice of transporting tens of thousands of barrels of chemical products on the St. Mary’s River, thousands of pounds of hazardous waste products crossing the International Bridge and containerized radio-active product using Highway 17.
I know, I know… it’s all safely containerized…. Ya right!!!!
I respectfully suggest that while much attention addresses the nation’s ‘potential’ environmental impact in changing legislation, more local attention should address our own area’s ticking time bombs.
We have a current daily practice of transporting tens of thousands of barrels of chemical products on the St. Mary’s River, thousands of pounds of hazardous waste products crossing the International Bridge and containerized radio-active product using Highway 17.
I know, I know… it’s all safely containerized…. Ya right!!!!
mallet 1/12/2013 5:18:59 PM Report
Canna....
So what do you suggest? we stop all forms of transportation? while we are at it how about the global warming/climate change from all the vehicles sitting wait for customs on either side of the bridge? How about we imitate the Amish (no disrespect intended) and use their form of transportation, just dont step in the exhaust!!!
Canna....
So what do you suggest? we stop all forms of transportation? while we are at it how about the global warming/climate change from all the vehicles sitting wait for customs on either side of the bridge? How about we imitate the Amish (no disrespect intended) and use their form of transportation, just dont step in the exhaust!!!
sparks7 1/12/2013 5:23:42 PM Report
Enron
freddie may
freddie mac
Aig
Nortel
All canadian banks
credit default swaps
derivatives
stuff even the inventors could not understand
stuff they sold people long
then sold short
behind their backs
Hmmmm
this is a just a short list
How come the natives do what they do? Where did they learn this stuff?
Enron
freddie may
freddie mac
Aig
Nortel
All canadian banks
credit default swaps
derivatives
stuff even the inventors could not understand
stuff they sold people long
then sold short
behind their backs
Hmmmm
this is a just a short list
How come the natives do what they do? Where did they learn this stuff?
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 5:24:56 PM Report
Mallet:
Nope... just adding another perspective into the "View" room".
Mallet:
Nope... just adding another perspective into the "View" room".
mallet 1/12/2013 5:50:40 PM Report
Canna....
Fine, but how about a solution, a way to minimize this traffic. There are lots of things I disagree with, but I also like to be able to say why and offer a solution to that particular problem.. So what about this weather... too warm for January.. what should we do about it.. oh right we are in Northern Ontario.. it will get cold shortly...
Canna....
Fine, but how about a solution, a way to minimize this traffic. There are lots of things I disagree with, but I also like to be able to say why and offer a solution to that particular problem.. So what about this weather... too warm for January.. what should we do about it.. oh right we are in Northern Ontario.. it will get cold shortly...
steelworker 1/12/2013 6:07:12 PM Report
I was out planting palm trees today in the front yard. Should I cover them?
I was out planting palm trees today in the front yard. Should I cover them?
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 6:18:39 PM Report
Mallet: I offer no suggestions. In this room, that would be folly.
I will point out, however that a liter of oil on the ground is easier to clean up than a liter of oil in the St. Mary's River; hazardous waste disposal should be a joint responsibility of the producer and the consumer; and radio-active/nuclear product transportation by rail is safer than by tractor-trailer.
I like Aesop's Fable of The Man, The Boy and the Donkey, though, where the lesson is... 'Try to please all and you'll end up pleasing none.
Mallet: I offer no suggestions. In this room, that would be folly.
I will point out, however that a liter of oil on the ground is easier to clean up than a liter of oil in the St. Mary's River; hazardous waste disposal should be a joint responsibility of the producer and the consumer; and radio-active/nuclear product transportation by rail is safer than by tractor-trailer.
I like Aesop's Fable of The Man, The Boy and the Donkey, though, where the lesson is... 'Try to please all and you'll end up pleasing none.
ginjur 1/12/2013 6:19:32 PM Report
"Put it this way: Before the passage of Bill C-45, 2.6 million rivers, lakes, and a good portion of Canada's three ocean shorelines were protected under the Navigable Waters Act. Now, only eighty-seven are protected. That's just the beginning of the problem, which seems not to have drawn much attention from the general public."
Winona LaDuke, Yes magazine
"Put it this way: Before the passage of Bill C-45, 2.6 million rivers, lakes, and a good portion of Canada's three ocean shorelines were protected under the Navigable Waters Act. Now, only eighty-seven are protected. That's just the beginning of the problem, which seems not to have drawn much attention from the general public."
Winona LaDuke, Yes magazine
nanag 1/12/2013 6:25:00 PM Report
Steelworker
I've said it before and I will say it again BAHAHAHAHAHA you always give me a good giggle :)
Steelworker
I've said it before and I will say it again BAHAHAHAHAHA you always give me a good giggle :)
steelworker 1/12/2013 6:30:15 PM Report
Thank you Winona LaDuke for your totally unbiased opinion. (sarc)
Thank you Winona LaDuke for your totally unbiased opinion. (sarc)
mallet 1/12/2013 6:47:59 PM Report
Ginjur...
It was a blanket law passed in the 1880's as there was no other method to control use of water/waterways. Today there are many other options and not every stream/creek/ mill pond needs the protection of the Federal Government. Your have at the start, various conservation authorities, then the MNR of the Provinces, then the EPA. God Almighty how many people do you need to tell someone they cannot control/polute/alter waterways. The Federal Government maintains the right to Naviable Water as far as shipping is concerned, they are just passing the right to tell you how/where you can float your canoe to the Provinces, And You Have A Problem with THAT...
Ginjur...
It was a blanket law passed in the 1880's as there was no other method to control use of water/waterways. Today there are many other options and not every stream/creek/ mill pond needs the protection of the Federal Government. Your have at the start, various conservation authorities, then the MNR of the Provinces, then the EPA. God Almighty how many people do you need to tell someone they cannot control/polute/alter waterways. The Federal Government maintains the right to Naviable Water as far as shipping is concerned, they are just passing the right to tell you how/where you can float your canoe to the Provinces, And You Have A Problem with THAT...
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 7:02:11 PM Report
Three Break and Enters
Three houses were entered and thieves made off with old coins, jewellery, and electronic equipment.
Police would like to remind the public not to keep anything of value in their homes.
Three Break and Enters
Three houses were entered and thieves made off with old coins, jewellery, and electronic equipment.
Police would like to remind the public not to keep anything of value in their homes.
Canna D. Yenn 1/12/2013 7:12:33 PM Report
Steelworker: I hear ya....
You likely have seen this:
HOW TO INSTALL A HOME SECURITY SYSTEM
1. Go to Value Village and buy a pair of size 14-16 men's work boots.
2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns & Ammo Magazine.
3. Put four giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazines.
4. Leave a note on your door that reads...
"Bubba: Me, Marcel, Donnie Ray and Jimmy Earl went for more ammo and beer.
Be back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls. They got the mailman this morning and messed him up pretty bad. I don't think Killer took part, but it was hard to tell from all the blood.
Anyway, I locked all four of 'em in the house. Better wait outside.
Be right back.
Cooter"
Steelworker: I hear ya....
You likely have seen this:
HOW TO INSTALL A HOME SECURITY SYSTEM
1. Go to Value Village and buy a pair of size 14-16 men's work boots.
2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns & Ammo Magazine.
3. Put four giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazines.
4. Leave a note on your door that reads...
"Bubba: Me, Marcel, Donnie Ray and Jimmy Earl went for more ammo and beer.
Be back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls. They got the mailman this morning and messed him up pretty bad. I don't think Killer took part, but it was hard to tell from all the blood.
Anyway, I locked all four of 'em in the house. Better wait outside.
Be right back.
Cooter"
Brianne 1/12/2013 7:32:21 PM Report
It worries me that the Idle no more issue is all part of a hegelian dialectic.
You know...... where the government creates a problem or continues to allow a problem to grow.
Then the people scream for help.
Then the government steps up to help,or what appears to be help,( even though they created the problem in the first place). Meanwhile ,garnering more power and control over the situation, actually causing it to be worse.
It worries me that the Idle no more issue is all part of a hegelian dialectic.
You know...... where the government creates a problem or continues to allow a problem to grow.
Then the people scream for help.
Then the government steps up to help,or what appears to be help,( even though they created the problem in the first place). Meanwhile ,garnering more power and control over the situation, actually causing it to be worse.
ginjur 1/12/2013 7:42:04 PM Report
The key water-related statutes administered by the federal government include:
the Canada Shipping Act, the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999 – , the Fisheries Act, the International Boundary Waters Treaty Act
and the Navigable Waters Protection Act.
The Navigable Waters Protection Act prohibits the dumping of wastes that may interfere with navigation and prohibits the construction of works in navigable waters without approval. It is administered by Transport Canada.
Navigation is entirely in the federal jurisdiction. There are no laws or regulations, other than the NWPA, in place to protect the public right of navigation in Canada.
The provinces have no jurisdiction over navigation and no ability to protect navigable waters.
The key water-related statutes administered by the federal government include:
the Canada Shipping Act, the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999 – , the Fisheries Act, the International Boundary Waters Treaty Act
and the Navigable Waters Protection Act.
The Navigable Waters Protection Act prohibits the dumping of wastes that may interfere with navigation and prohibits the construction of works in navigable waters without approval. It is administered by Transport Canada.
Navigation is entirely in the federal jurisdiction. There are no laws or regulations, other than the NWPA, in place to protect the public right of navigation in Canada.
The provinces have no jurisdiction over navigation and no ability to protect navigable waters.
steelworker 1/12/2013 7:45:03 PM Report
Just try and build a dock at your camp without the necessary permits and watch the wrath of big gov't descend upon you.
Just try and build a dock at your camp without the necessary permits and watch the wrath of big gov't descend upon you.
northernmale 1/12/2013 7:51:49 PM Report
Going back after world war 2 the goverment put out income tax it was to be a temp. thing we still have it. And yes it has even gone up The goverment makes and brakes promises all the time .. If we are elected there will be no increases, one week later anounce tax increases. I quess what I am getting to is everyone gets told one thing but it never happens , not in the real world. So first nations is not alone. I do support them on protecting our waters. But when the agenda has now changed and the goverment is getting everything all at once tossed at them, and they all cant agrea with each other.. I think maybe its time for the chiefs to deal with this matter the water . Then all get toegether as first nation and sit down and decide how to move on with the goverment.. They will not get everything they want all at once. So set your goals in order of needs.. The goverment cant just print money or give money we do not have.. We all as tax payers have things we would like to see.
Going back after world war 2 the goverment put out income tax it was to be a temp. thing we still have it. And yes it has even gone up The goverment makes and brakes promises all the time .. If we are elected there will be no increases, one week later anounce tax increases. I quess what I am getting to is everyone gets told one thing but it never happens , not in the real world. So first nations is not alone. I do support them on protecting our waters. But when the agenda has now changed and the goverment is getting everything all at once tossed at them, and they all cant agrea with each other.. I think maybe its time for the chiefs to deal with this matter the water . Then all get toegether as first nation and sit down and decide how to move on with the goverment.. They will not get everything they want all at once. So set your goals in order of needs.. The goverment cant just print money or give money we do not have.. We all as tax payers have things we would like to see.
statusquo 1/12/2013 8:12:09 PM Report
"We all as tax payers have things we would like to see."
I'd like a new set of "stemware" so I can slurp my Prosecco in style. The glasses I bought at the dollar store don't cut it anymore.
Also, I would like to have some scrotoplastic surgery. George Clooney had it done so it must be trendy and hip.
Nothing like a nice, tight scrotum. Darlene is excited about the prospect.
"We all as tax payers have things we would like to see."
I'd like a new set of "stemware" so I can slurp my Prosecco in style. The glasses I bought at the dollar store don't cut it anymore.
Also, I would like to have some scrotoplastic surgery. George Clooney had it done so it must be trendy and hip.
Nothing like a nice, tight scrotum. Darlene is excited about the prospect.
mallet 1/12/2013 8:25:04 PM Report
ginjur..
Thank you Steelworker, anything to do with water and working on the shore of any lake or river comes first under the Provincial Min of Natural Resouces... Again just how many levels of government do you need, they can move responsibility around from dept to dept, but you are still dealing with a law that was made 130 years ago and set as nagigable water in the SCOC in 1906 or thereabout. You are just going round and round in circles, you are like the DoDo bird you will eventually end up in your own orifice.
ginjur..
Thank you Steelworker, anything to do with water and working on the shore of any lake or river comes first under the Provincial Min of Natural Resouces... Again just how many levels of government do you need, they can move responsibility around from dept to dept, but you are still dealing with a law that was made 130 years ago and set as nagigable water in the SCOC in 1906 or thereabout. You are just going round and round in circles, you are like the DoDo bird you will eventually end up in your own orifice.
AceOfBass 1/12/2013 9:24:09 PM Report
This c 45 and Idle No More may have some impact here with the Point Louise development.
This project was approved the Conservation Authority.
The decision was kind of rope a dope deal.
Where there were perceived conflicts because the developer supposedly spoke when they were not supposed to. Members of the Authority were related to the developer,and other members were business associates.
So we have our cronyism right here.
This c 45 and Idle No More may have some impact here with the Point Louise development.
This project was approved the Conservation Authority.
The decision was kind of rope a dope deal.
Where there were perceived conflicts because the developer supposedly spoke when they were not supposed to. Members of the Authority were related to the developer,and other members were business associates.
So we have our cronyism right here.
Jimssm 1/12/2013 10:54:35 PM Report
rw...
Don't flatter yourself. I get no satisfaction out of 'pissing off a rightie'.
I just would like you to read and post excerpts of the actual Bill instead of posting non-truths which simply keep the misconceptions going.
Once again, the Bill that got Idle no more's dander up has nothing to do with 'accountability'. Chief Spence probably has other, less noble motives.
rw...
Don't flatter yourself. I get no satisfaction out of 'pissing off a rightie'.
I just would like you to read and post excerpts of the actual Bill instead of posting non-truths which simply keep the misconceptions going.
Once again, the Bill that got Idle no more's dander up has nothing to do with 'accountability'. Chief Spence probably has other, less noble motives.
right wing 1/13/2013 10:21:10 AM Report
Once again Jim, I never said it was.
If you look at my original statement I said nothing about any bill.
You were the one that came out flapping your lips about bills.
...pissing me off?
Hahahahaha....I'd say it was you that got your feathers ruffled.
Once again Jim, I never said it was.
If you look at my original statement I said nothing about any bill.
You were the one that came out flapping your lips about bills.
...pissing me off?
Hahahahaha....I'd say it was you that got your feathers ruffled.
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