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View Room Comments for Thursday, Jan. 10 2013

Thursday, January 10, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 1/10/2013 6:22:26 AM Report

Good Morning Sweet Soo!
The eve of the teachers one day strike. Don't know bout you folks but on this one I've got to go with the step kids, bring it on - we don't call them strike days or snow days, I've taught my kids to call them "Lolly gagging" days. They are well defined, you do what you want and the dress for the day is PJ's. Since I've met these little gaffers it has been an objective of mine to teach them how to do a mental health day. I'm learning for instance to express my own anger rather than grow tumours. They are catching on. My little princess handed in a project that was just OK and not done over the top aimed at perfection. She and I were so proud. If I had an epitaph I would want it to read "that's good enough". Ex: my misses the mechanic in the family replaced the sump pump hose last nite with that clear 1 1/2" reinforced very expensive c/w reducers last a lifetime stuff. What was on there was a chunk of three foot plastic corrugated hose that sells for ten bucks a hundred foot. I put it in last year and it worked well until it became a soaker hose thru chaffing along the side of the pit. P.S. don't tell rw. I went and made supper, moral of the story is "that's good enough" maybe the wrong attitude to bring to the table for some tasks such as sump pump stuff and open heart surgery. Speaking of hospitals I'm off like a herd of turtles in a spray of sheep shit and gravol.
anabanana 1/10/2013 6:49:40 AM Report

Good Morning Skipper Dave,

Thank You for getting/giving a great start to a possible boring day. Enjoy your posts, and hearing about the kids.
Grump 1/10/2013 7:00:09 AM Report

Good morning all. The phone rang last night and my wife answered it and ended up bent over double laughing. This went on for a while and she finally handed me the phone. A little voice said this is Chief Spence and I'm hungry and on and on. I finally recognized the voice which belonged to a good friend from Garden River. He said the First Nations members are backing away from her and he felt she was digging herself a huge hole now. We were both laughing so hard I didn't get a chance to ask if that was general or just a local opinion. It's too bad some of the Whiteys on here can't develope a sense of humour which most of the First Nations folk I know have.
flyhawk25 1/10/2013 7:55:19 AM Report

I had to go down to Queen St. yesterday.
Another store gone - The Furniture Gallery.
The owner of the place I went to said only the crack heads are down there.
But the parking meters still take your money.
Javaman 1/10/2013 8:04:18 AM Report

I wonder if those parking meters bring in enough money to pay the "meter guys".It would seem to .free parking would have been in order years ago on a permanent basis. Downtowns everywhere are a thing of the past but is still sad to see. My only trip to downtown is to get my meat and fish from City Meat Mareket...wonderful family business
flyhawk25 1/10/2013 8:38:07 AM Report

City Meat along with a few others in town still offer the personalized service that some remember.
And they deliver.
old-cat33 1/10/2013 9:00:59 AM Report

flyhawk25: There was a store on Queen St. (I think)that had one of those old fashion doors that go in a circle when you walk through them. The name of that store was it Fairweathers? Just want to settle a dressing room argument.
Javaman 1/10/2013 9:03:22 AM Report

I think it was Eatons.
flyhawk25 1/10/2013 9:34:49 AM Report

It was. It is now what - the Walker Building?
Javaman 1/10/2013 9:43:31 AM Report

Here is a memory quiz for you "oldies". On Queen where the old WOOLCO building is there used to be ROYAL CAB. On each side of the cab company were restaurants. Name them.
TFinn 1/10/2013 9:47:10 AM Report

There is something not right to allow someone to blackmail our government ..anyone else would be questioned and investigated with zeal.. BTW …It is blackmail … political and emotional blackmail, and all of the FN people will certainly suffer because of it. Spencer is only thinking of one person ..herself and now because of her antics has set the FN back …way back. I have no respect for people of any race to use underhanded tactics to try and get their own way. Well she is now in the spot light and has received attention, however this sort of attention is probably not what she wanted, with accusations of misappropriating of funds that were meant to help and not to be a slush fund for herself and relatives as she sees fit. I can only hope the government will address this as aggressive as they would if anyone else tried to defraud or mislead the government. This will now give the Gov the power and excuse to shut down many of the funds, and make it very difficult for the FN people in the future to get any assistance. I am not a racist person of any sort , I just do not like people that have such a sense of entitlement about everything in life. I hope the government is not racist either, and when they investigate, I hope they investigate this in the same manner, as they would investigate any other business or person or citizen that is suspect of any wrong doing. Karma is a bitch ...and now it may just bite the FN in the ass, thanks to their misguided leaders.
TFinn 1/10/2013 10:20:51 AM Report


I believe Woolco had a revolving door. The Sault Star was on the east side of Woolco (I believe) not 100% sure tho.
Wicket 1/10/2013 10:26:16 AM Report

Flyhawk - the Furniture Gallery has moved to the westerly end of Queen just before Gore St., old Edwards Hdwe building (or thereabouts)
Grump 1/10/2013 10:36:30 AM Report

Javaman the Old Legion was upstairs ,east of Royal Cab but don't remember a restaurant. West of Royal Cab was a Chinese Restaurant that belonged to the Ma Family who now own Sun Kwong across the street.
Javaman 1/10/2013 10:40:28 AM Report

On one side was THE RITZ and on the other side was THE COMMERCIAL CAFE.
Canna D. Yenn 1/10/2013 10:40:33 AM Report

Skipper... You may get a kick out of this poem... It's "Pretty Good", written by Charles Osgood (now of CBS Sunday Morning)

Pretty Good
From The Osgood File (1986)

There once was a pretty good student
Who sat in a pretty good class
And was taught by a pretty good teacher
Who always let pretty good pass.

He wasn’t terrific at reading,
He wasn’t a whiz-bang at math,
But for him, education was leading
Straight down a pretty good path.

He didn’t find school too exciting,
But he wanted to do pretty well,
And he did have some trouble with writing
Since nobody taught him to spell.

When doing arithmetic problems,
Pretty good was regarded as fine.
5+5 needn’t always add up to be 10;
A pretty good answer was 9.

The pretty good class that he sat in
Was part of a pretty good school,
And the student was not an exception:
On the contrary, he was the rule.

The pretty good school that he went to
Was there in a pretty good town,
And nobody there seemed to notice
He could not tell a verb from a noun.

The pretty good student in fact was
Part of a pretty good mob.
And the first time he knew what he lacked was
When he looked for a pretty good job.

It was then, when he sought a position,
He discovered that life could be tough,
And he soon had a sneaking suspicion
Pretty good might not be good enough.

The pretty good town in our story
Was part of a pretty good state
Which had pretty good aspirations
And prayed for a pretty good fate.

There once was a pretty good nation
Pretty proud of the greatness it had,
Which learned much too late,
If you want to be great,
Pretty good is, in fact, pretty bad.
Big Bad Bob 1/10/2013 11:01:11 AM Report

In catching up on yesterday’s Archive, the following thought occurred to me: whatever the outcome of the latest kerfuffle concerning the financial affairs of Attawapiskat, it is only one First Nation. No matter what goes on - good or bad – in one First Nation does not automatically hold for all of them and it would be wrong, if not a symptom of extreme prejudice, for anyone to believe or say so.
JUSTANOTHERNAME 1/10/2013 11:06:48 AM Report

I have to applaud Julian Fantino for his musings on the $1 billion relief fund sent to Haiti. With a billion dollars already sent there yes we expect to see results. Especially when other countries have also been very generous with their funds. I understand this country was completely devastated but it is time we look after our own people and put our billion dollars into looking after our own poor and destitute. Yes that may sound crass but at a time when we are demanding FN to show results for $90 million in our own country I want to see tangible results for our $1 billion.
itsky123 1/10/2013 11:08:54 AM Report

Canna D
pretty good poem, but says alot.
Snobank 1/10/2013 11:09:23 AM Report

Isn't it interesting that when someone states firmly that they are not racist it is nearly always followed by a racist comment?
old-cat33 1/10/2013 11:41:26 AM Report

Bon Soo will be having it's 50Th celebration this year!! Yahoo!
Get out and support this event and quit worrying about the Natives and teachers tying up traffic.
Bring back the Miss Bon Soo Contest along with a hockey tournament of some kind?
Why did they quit doing that Miss Bon Soo Pageant anyway??
Mr. Poster 1/10/2013 11:42:03 AM Report

Our so called cash strapped Ontario government has a million dollars to give to Soo College so the students will not have to walk outside for a short distance. Talk about a waste of money. The fresh air would do them good. There must be more worthy projects to support and fund.
steelworker 1/10/2013 11:47:35 AM Report

The Miss Bon Soo pageant was cancelled due to the shrieking of feminazis at the time.
Just Curious 1/10/2013 11:51:17 AM Report

Snobank, I kinda like all animals but I really can't stand cats.....Does that make me racist???
Give your head a shake..."Racist" is becoming a catch phrase for everyone and every thing. Hell,I don't like one of my neighbors and he is as white as I am...Does that make me a racist??? I don't like a person for what they did or didn't do,not because of what color they are. Chief spence,in my mind ,is a fraud. That is my opinion,my own opinion,and not meant to try to change any one elses mind on anything,and I don't really give a damn what color or race she is....So There....:)
Grace 1/10/2013 11:52:51 AM Report

Your water and sewerage charges
city sewage charge - 29.02
water consumption - 10.96
basic service charge - 18.06
total 58.04

off peak winter
mid peak winter
on peak winter
debt retirement

steelworker 1/10/2013 12:02:48 PM Report

...ya but they got a nice building.
theprotector 1/10/2013 12:04:14 PM Report

no - not a racist but a butthole! Learn the issues over and above the media.
YOu have spoken many racist undertones here so it is difficult to determin whether you are reacting to a situation because of your racist/sterotypical held beleifs or an educated opinion. However much like right wing I doubt it is an educated opinion.
Just Curious 1/10/2013 12:09:02 PM Report

Protecter;One butt hole to another,I already said it was MY opinion,not yours or rw's,mine and if you don't like it,too bad... Lots of people don't like or give a crap about your opinion either but you still give it...Suck it up,buttercup.:)
Snobank 1/10/2013 12:10:34 PM Report

Whew! I seem to have hit Just Curious in the sore spot when I wasn't even aiming at him/her. Give yourself a good shake Justy. I was not calling you a racist. I making a general observation. I would say that from your last posting you are a catist. ;)
Just Curious 1/10/2013 12:17:41 PM Report

Snobank;you didn't hurt my feelings at all and if I hurt yours it was unintentional. my whole comment was to try and poke a bit of fun at some of the posters that take themselves way too serious,the protector for one.We can bitch and crab on here all day and in the end have done squat about it.:)
And protector,be careful how you insult me,'cause now that the Metis have the same rights you could be yelling at one of your own...LOL.:)
Just Curious 1/10/2013 12:19:56 PM Report

Catist??? I kinda like that..Snobank,you may have just coined a new word for the english language....:)
Canna D. Yenn 1/10/2013 12:31:47 PM Report

Addressing Canada’s Prime Minister as Stevie Harpoon, our member of parliament as Brainy Hazy, Ontario’s Premier as Dalty McGuilty, our member of the provincial parliament as Davy Dudley Orazooty, or our Mayor as Debbie Airasamosa is disrespectful and is deemed a benefit by us adopting the constitutionally chartered ‘freedom of expression’ clauses.

Addressing a certain leader of a First Nations within Canada as Trees-a Spends Alot, is disrespectful and brands the writer a racist….. if your name-calling is because she is AnishinaaBEG. If the intent is to disrespect or discredit her as an incompetent political leader, apparently that’s OK.

I was a racist once, but because I came in third so much, they dropped me from the team.

Judge not thy neighbours by how they look, but by what they say and do.
flyhawk25 1/10/2013 12:56:11 PM Report

Based on the latest report from the CBC it appears that GG David Johnson agreed to meet with FN chiefs after they meet with the PM.
Now - if I have it correct - they say they want to meet both the PM and the GG at the same time.
If all of that is true I'd say they are pushing things a bit far.
In fact if all that is true I'd love to see the protest downtown go as planned. Then I hope that the police arrest everyone for disturbing the peace and public mischief.
Enough already.
You don't move the goal posts after the game begins my friends.
theprotector 1/10/2013 1:08:43 PM Report

opinions are fine but when they target an identifiable group based on limited knowledge from clearly uneducated persons....just shut the hell up go back to your own country leave ours to those of us who embrace ethinic and cultural differences.
The Metis btw were included in many definations under federal law, it wasnt until the mid 1980s that the government tried to distance themselves from their responsiblities. So what, big deal in in the big picture. So the govenment has another group to consult - hey at least the first nations are trying to stop this bill especially with the enivronmental devestation it will cause. How many non natives have been out?
Just Curious 1/10/2013 1:08:59 PM Report

Canna D Yenn, that is freaking hilarious.... That has got to be the funniest post of the day,at least so far.ROFLMAO.....Really.....:)
TFinn 1/10/2013 1:20:35 PM Report


You mentioned about a racist comment from your post. (Snobank 1/10/2013 11:09:23 AM)

I'm assuming you read my post, since your comment come just after it. However if you reread it, you will not find anything to do with racism or being racist. Be sure you read it slowly without jumping to conclusions. I merely stated a general opinion, and just because it is concerning FN news, does in no way say that I am labelling any one group, On the contrary , I said ….I just do not like “ people” that have such a sense of entitlement about everything in life. “People” meaning any and all. Just Curious made a good point, using the word "Racist" is becoming a catch phrase for everyone and every thing and in my opinion,used far too often and for the wrong reasons.
Just Curious 1/10/2013 1:22:47 PM Report

Protector,how do you find a hat to fit your head?? An opinion is an opinion,nothing more,nothing less,educated or not. Mine is as good as yours is and you are assuming I haven't read up up on it. I may well have read as much of it as you have and understood as much as you seem to think you do,the difference being I can accept the fact that bitching about it on here is just venting and accomplishes absolutely zero,other than pi$$ing people off. You ,by the way,seem to be doing a very good job at doing that. I personally am old and retired and have lots of time to sit and beat the keys,what do you do that allows you so much time on here? just curious,as my name implies...:)Actually, the only time I see you on here is when it is a "racist"issue. Anyway,friend,don't take yourself too seriously,'cause you can bet not too many others are..Funny,but you and I are in the same canoe in that respect...Which brings up the subject for another post.....
25miller 1/10/2013 1:33:46 PM Report

Here is a good chuckle to make you smile...enjoy....
steelworker 1/10/2013 1:34:29 PM Report

flyhawk: it's just been reported that Chief X-spencive wants Jesus to show up for the meeting with the P.M. and Davey Johnson. If these latest demands are not met Spence will starve herself up to or past the 400 lb. mark. Be forewarned!!
Brianne 1/10/2013 1:44:18 PM Report

Fly "The owner of the place I went to said only the crack heads are down there.
But the parking meters still take your money."

That's cause it's called " crack change" lol

That furniture store has moved beside the new federal building by gore street.
steelworker 1/10/2013 1:52:07 PM Report

Maybe we can turn Queen Street into a Bon Soo festivity. Go from East Street to Gore without being accosted by crackheads, hookers or protesters and win a night at the Watertower with Mr. Bon Soo. (Where the hell is Mrs. Bon Soo?)
Just Curious 1/10/2013 1:57:38 PM Report

OK, this it,I'll get off after this one.
The perfect picture of the indian( I will continue to use that term until you repaint the bridge)in the canoe,dressed in breachclout and vest paddling off into the sunset.. beautiful picture and I love it,see it all over the place on reserves...Did anyone besides me notice the one at Sewells gas bar and variety? The very same picture except this one has a firm grasp on the throttle control of an outboard motor on the back of the canoe?? Must have looked at that sign a hundred times before I noticed the difference...LOL..Now there is a guy that is getting on with life and the hell with it. Why paddle when you don't need too. Sorry,I know this has nothing to do with any of the current issues,I just found it funny....:)
Brianne 1/10/2013 2:05:16 PM Report

"The government was wrong in its response to the crisis in Attawapiskat and its ongoing attempt to divide Canadians with misleading information is shameful. Federal court ruled
this morning the that the Conservative government's response to the crisis in Attawapiskat was unreasonable and failed to look at any remedy other than the appointment of a Third Party Manager.

Rather that own up to their mistake the Conservative government says it is "disappointed" with the decision. What will it take for this government to take responsibility for its own incompetence?

The court made it clear that Attawapiskat did not mismanage funds, as the Conservatives -- from the Prime Minister on down -- accused them of doing in an attempt to deflect blame from themselves. It also made clear that the decision to appoint a third party manager during the Attawapiskat crisis was unreasonable. But this is part of a much broader issue."
Just Curious 1/10/2013 2:12:11 PM Report

25 miller,that was funny..Still laughing...:)
steelworker 1/10/2013 2:19:11 PM Report

Carolyn Bennett is one of the most biased donkeys in politics.
Brianne 1/10/2013 2:22:03 PM Report

I knew "you" would say something steely, that's why I posted the CBC story as well. :) Smile sunshine it doesn't hurt a bit............ come to think of it...... I don't think i've ever seen you post a "positive" note..... got a problem darlin ?
Just Curious 1/10/2013 2:25:55 PM Report

Brianne,what was their mistake? sending too much money in without asking for a receipt? Not asking why they built an arena for the one or two Gretsky wannabes instead of a new school? Not asking why they bought a new Zamboni when with all the unemployed they could have cleaned the ice with snow scoops?. Hesus H. Keerist,there has to be accountability,for everyone ,anybody...When I borrowed 20 bucks off my old man as a kid,he had to know what I wanted it for,when it was coming back,and why in hell didn't i get ajob and pay for it myself...It was easier to keep my self respect,buy another box of KD and go get a job to feed the family.. This is something a couple of generations of PEOPLE,black,white,brown or purple have totally forgotten how to to do...Got no sympathy for a lot of it.Can't afford to live where you are,move....Don't expect somebody else to pay your rent....
Mr. Poster 1/10/2013 2:28:09 PM Report

Do you recall in the not too distant past that BREAKING NEWS caused everyone to pause and take note. Now it seems that everything is breaking news. This is a term for Lake State to look at for their banished words list.
25miller 1/10/2013 2:31:47 PM Report

Check out channel 20
AceOfBass 1/10/2013 2:35:03 PM Report

The IDLE NO MORE protesters should all be arrested tomorrow for breaking the law in shutting down Queen Street.The City Police need to start enforcing the law on these protesters.

They claim that the treaties are broken.When in fact they are the ones who are breaking the law and the treaty,
steelworker 1/10/2013 2:38:12 PM Report

No problems Brianne; that was my positive note for the day. I'm always willing to help the ill-informed as well as the Just Plain Stupid. Here's a smiley face for ya punkin' :)
Brianne 1/10/2013 2:38:42 PM Report

JC, I think you are missing the point of the story......... it was the government that failed to look at another way of fixing the problem, than just appointing a third party management.

When will people realize that "Idle no more" and "Chief Spence" have nothing to do with each other. Yes , they may support her in her stand...... but they are not protesting for her. They are there to protect Canada from Bill C45, which means they are there for "you" as well.
T-rat 1/10/2013 2:39:10 PM Report

Big Bad Bob: I don't think folks on here are painting all FN reserves with the same tarry brush. Check across the country and you will find a number of reserves that are better managed and more financialy stable than a lot of municipalities, and with quite favourable economic forecasts. Geography and circumstances are important considerations in all cases but daring to challenge the seemingly otherwise impossible, and to join the economic mainstream, doesn't also mean setting aside traditions and culture. And neither should anybody lump all FN chiefs and councils in with Theresa Spence and her Attawapiskat council.
Brianne 1/10/2013 2:40:06 PM Report

lol steely........ awwww muffin !
nanag 1/10/2013 2:42:52 PM Report


along your theme of quiz for oldies.. do you remember the name of the hotel that used to be along the same stretch as where Royal Cab used to be? just a bit more to the west I think??
Brianne 1/10/2013 2:46:27 PM Report

Thought for the day:

We didn't elect the oil and gas industry. Therefore, those corporations shouldn't be writing legislation.
Dreamer 1/10/2013 2:48:26 PM Report

Harper can not give away whats not his ;)
steelworker 1/10/2013 2:52:23 PM Report

The Grand Hotel I think.
Dreamer 1/10/2013 2:59:06 PM Report

The Grandview Hotel ;)
Just Curious 1/10/2013 3:12:03 PM Report

Brianne,you are missing my point too. The government sent a truckload or two of money in there,sent in a bunch of houses,sent in another truckload of money and when they sent in somebody to ask where it went got stonewalled. Now ,if the city had of done the same for you or me,they would have asked for an accounting right down to the penny and if you didn't provide it they would have asked for it back,and you would have had to give it all back,no matter what. That is the difference. We(government)gave all kinds of it to them up there and there was no accountability for most of it.
Secondly,I stand by my statement,if there is no work,move....There probably isn't 10 people in that whole village that make a living off the land as their forefathers did(illegal hunting out of season doesn't count)so move where there is work and get over it. Keep the land to go hunting on or have a cottage there but get the hell out in the real world and get a job..You had to get out and get one,didn't you? Have you not ever moved for the sake of employment? I have ,lots of times. I had a family to feed and did what ever it took to do so and I'm no better than anyone else. When there's no grocery money coming in we started packing,just that simple...:)
ginjur 1/10/2013 3:15:13 PM Report

"There is a prevailing myth that Canada's more than 600 First Nations and native communities live off of money -- subsidies -- from the Canadian government. This myth, though it is loudly proclaimed and widely believed, is remarkable for its boldness; widely accessible, verifiable facts show that the opposite is true.

Indigenous people have been subsidizing Canada for a very long time."

If you REALLY want to know.......
Just Curious 1/10/2013 3:20:24 PM Report

By the way ,the "idle no more" movement is not as widespread as the FN or media would have you believe. I am in Southern Ontario for some medical procedures and if you ask most people down here about it,nobody knows what you are talking about for the most part. No demonstrations here,might interfere with gas and tobacco sales,and you try blocking a street here in rush hour and somebody is gonna get hurt,no matter what the reason. You can't believe everything you see on TV or the 'net,a lot of it is "spin"...
cathyh 1/10/2013 3:39:08 PM Report

Why doesn't everyone on this site red the Indian Act and then come back and preach your solutions.
Brianne 1/10/2013 3:47:17 PM Report

Woops, steely must be off work now........ the "company time thief".
Norm 1/10/2013 3:55:18 PM Report

A judge with the Supreme Court of Canada said that I'm an Indian, same as the rest. Harper will appeal, I guess.
Dreamer 1/10/2013 3:56:08 PM Report

Thats jus it JC, the government doesn't want people to know about this movement. Past PM's have visited Spence at her teepee and none of that was news? Justin Trudeau was there, as was Joe Clarke, Paul Martin? Jus to name a few. Bus loads of people are on their way right now to Ottawa.
Round dance at Dundas Square tomorrow at 1:00. See ya there!
realitycheck 1/10/2013 3:56:54 PM Report

Did the Greyhounds stand pat at the trade deadline?
cathyh 1/10/2013 4:20:05 PM Report

oops sorry, read the Indian Act.
nanag 1/10/2013 4:20:33 PM Report


Yep.. you are correct!!!!
Big Bad Bob 1/10/2013 4:45:43 PM Report

T-rat 1/10/2013 2:39:10 PM
I sincerely hope that you are correct in your statement to the effect that “folks on here are not painting all FN reserves with the same tarry brush.” I also agree most heartily with your opinion that nobody should “lump all FN chiefs and councils in with Theresa Spence and her Attawapiskat council.”
I have doubts though when I read some of the comments posted on this site.
Grump 1/10/2013 4:51:39 PM Report

The protector what I find strange is that Western First Nation Chiefs are not against bill C 45 but see it as a positive step. Around here we seem to have many protesters than don't seem to have a clue about just what they are protesting about. Somewhat like a number of posters on here. I also know that almost anyone on here can confirm that I'm not a fan of Harper as I'm not a fan of Chief Spence. That said I believe Harper may be partly right while Chief Spence does not appear to have any redeeming qualities.
phantom 1/10/2013 4:59:48 PM Report

Old Enough...know exactly what your saying...last time I checked I am native canadian...I was born and raised in this country! You do all realize that the only Minority left in this country is the working class white man! And guess where we would be if we decided to disrupt traffic on queen st...probably the "crow bar hotel" Just saying maybe us white folks should blockade the reserve just to see how equal all this B.S. really is!
Snobank 1/10/2013 5:12:07 PM Report

Income tax time is coming. Wish they were lower? I have a plan. Stick with me on this,

Most people in Canada get a small refund when they file their taxes each spring. It's sort of a pleasant experience when the refund arrives. Of course what this really means is that the government has taken too much off your paycheck and has collected interest on your money that should be in your pocket. Nice system, they take your money early and a little too much. If they raise your taxes they takeoff a little extra to ensure you will still get the refund of your own money. They've tricked you into feeling grateful as they nick you for more and more.

The solution? Simple, drastic but simple: Stop all income tax deductions from paychecks.

Imagine what would happen each March when we all did our income tax and had to come up with the thousands of dollars each of us would owe. There would be such an uproar about the amount of money the government takes from us. Accountability would be demanded and if the taxes were not lowered we would tar and feather every politician we could get our hands on.

Will this happen? Not bloody likely,but I can dream.
T-rat 1/10/2013 5:19:01 PM Report

BBB: fortunately there are only a few like "old enough to know better" who likes to make derogatory and inflammatory references to "injuns". And he/she claims to be native Canadian. Why? Because he/she was born here? The original ancestor of every single white on this continent was born somewhere else. Just as the original ancestor of every single "injun" was born somewhere else. And the reference to Indians comes from the fact that some white man from Italy landed over here in 1492, lost, thinking he had found India, met up with the locals who were here for thousands of years before he arrived, and called them Indians. Those Indians today are only too happy that the white guy wasn't searching for Turkey at the time!!!
Just Curious 1/10/2013 5:20:02 PM Report

dreamer,why should it be news? she is a fraud and I would be willing to bet odds that most of the leaders(sic) that went to see her are kicking their collective asses now that some of the truths are starting to come out. Most of these guys are just looking for a parade to get in front of for publicity and now it's gonna bite them in the ass.Pretty soon she is going to demand the Pope and jesus show up for this meeting or she ain't going. Methinks she may have been eating fish broth a bit tooooooo long....:)
Just Curious 1/10/2013 5:30:58 PM Report

Good idea,Snobank, but the employer has no choice in the matter. The only way around it is to be an independent contractor and even then you have to pay quarterly or they come after you. I am on OAS and CPP and I still have to pay taxes,if I don't they just deduct it from my cheque. I was overpaid on CPP disability(their fault) and I am paying 110 bucks a month for the rest of my life until it's paid back,and they don;'t give a damn if I have enough left to live on or not..Kinda glad to be able to get my foot in the door as Metis,just hope I live long enough...:)
right wing 1/10/2013 5:32:42 PM Report


I am all for dispelling myths.
I read your link and the suggestion, based on three examples, that it is First Nations that has been subsidizing Canada.
I have not researched the other two (yet, and I will) but the claim that Attawapiskat does not have an agreement with De Beers Mining is completely untrue.
This one I had researched extensively and did so when the housing crisis first came to light.
Attawapiskat and De Beers had an IBA
(Impact Benefit Agreement)since the mine began construction in 2006.
That agreement includes specific compensation and protocols to ensure Attawapiskat First Nation is the primary beneficiary of benefits available during the construction, operation and closure of the Victor Mine.
Compensation includes items such as training, employment, business opportunities and direct financial compensation.
Since the start of construction, over $325 million in contracts have been awarded to solely owned or joint venture companies run by the community.
If you try and trace this money I hope you have more luck than I did as there seems to be no solid answers as to where it went.

There were other that had similar concerns.

Check out Mike Koostachin he is from Attawapiskat and works as a cultural liaison in the schools teaching Cree values to children.
He started the blockade to De Beers mine just outside of Attawapiskat.
In an interview he had very harsh words for both De Beers and First Nations leaders.
This is part of that interview with Mike Koostachin by Marc Choyt.

How was the original IBA agreed upon?

It was voted on, as a referendum. People wanted the mining to go ahead. About 270 said yes, and 80 to 90 that said no.

People that said, yes, thought that they would get money from the project, in their hands. They were promised 2 million a year—a million up front for signing the agreement and 2 million a year for the life time of the mine. Basically, it would be 30 million over the course of the mine to 1800 to 2000 community members. Less than 20% voted, but De Beers said it was 90%.

Why didn’t more people vote?

People were not really into the process of it—there was a lack of understanding.

Then, during the referendum, the community had a signing agreement ceremony. Now, we have nothing from the IBA and no employment opportunities.

Have members of the tribe, the larger community, get the money?

No. There has been no money. The leadership established a trust fund for the community. Though the funds are there, but there is no accountability, no reports from the tribal leadership report to the shareholders.

Still don’t know what the IBA money is doing?


But De Beers can’t be blamed for that.

It is the First Nation’s leader’s fault. They have funds coming into first nation – no transparency, to this day.


You can find the full interview on the internet.
With First Nations members like Mike Koostachin demanding transparency from their own leaders combined with continued pressure on the government of the day, hopefully these issues will one day be resolved.

right wing 1/10/2013 5:36:55 PM Report

old enough to know better

Why is it that racist bigots like you come up with oxymoron's for posting monikers.
mallet 1/10/2013 5:39:46 PM Report


I like your thinking, however it will never happen because Canada followed the U K pattern of taxation, especially for employees. The employer is responsible for taking a set amount off your paycheque every week/fortnight/month as set out in a set of tables from Revenue Canada. In England it was called P.A.Y.E or pay as you earn. You can ask your employer to take MORE but he cannot take LESS. Only way you do not have to pay is if you have your own business then of course you can set your own income and deductions as you wish, until of course they audit you and then, your various bodily orfices may become much larger than normal!!!
ginjur 1/10/2013 6:21:25 PM Report

"De Beers has negotiated a lease area. Although it is acknowledged that the mine is on Attawapiskat traditional land, the royalties from Victor Mine, flow to the Province of Ontario, not Attawapiskat First Nation. They have 500 full-time employees with 100 from Attawapiskat First Nation."

There is a lot more to that interview with M Koostachin.

It points to the complex issues troubling Attawapiskat.’s-victor-diamond-mine/
steelworker 1/10/2013 7:17:49 PM Report

Brianne: I was off today and just got home from Casey's at the Water Tower. I recommend the ribs with the Jack Daniels BBQ sauce. Thank you for your concern about my wellbeing.
flyhawk25 1/10/2013 7:46:34 PM Report

steel...good stuff.
I'll tell the chef. Happens to be related.
Brianne 1/10/2013 8:13:49 PM Report

So glad to hear steely, glad you didn't choke on a bone :)
steelworker 1/10/2013 10:43:24 PM Report

I eat my ribs with a knife and fork in the proper English way.
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