skipper dave 1/8/2013 5:50:05 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo! Me and my new plastic sewer system are up early. I'm hoping more than I watched the Puc presentation on future rate hikes of 5 to 10% per annum to cover the costs of replacing the water main infrastructure over the next thirty years. I'm fascinated at how much the man with the brief case can sell snake oil to lay people. RW I'm hoping you watched. Brief case guy showed pretty charts of how long the present pipes are in the ground and what kind of life expectancy we hope to get out of them and using present day costs how much it will costs to replace. I found the whole presentation flawed from an engineering stand point. First the biggest = do you know how much technological change there will be in the next thirty years with respect to putting pipes in the ground. What if we think of the old pipe as an existing ready made horizontal shaft in place just waiting for us to insert a high carbon plastic pipe inside it from manhole to manhole? Can we live with a slightly smaller diameter main? We have line drilling now that allows us to drill horizontal holes some distance, possibly from manhole to manhole. The individual tap offsI leave to the experts like RW. What I'm saying is you may be able to think outside the box and not have to add the costs of replacing the road, by the way nobody choked on that relationship. Another biggy, what if we gamble, put money aside to replace as they fail? Empirically the data must show that they like us don't all fall down dead at the age of 74.8 years - Some pipes may live to be a hundred. Where was the city's engineering staff last night to challenge these estimates? Based on the Brief case guys presentation we are all faced with whopping big increases to bring everything up to snuff. Here's another thought who says the water main has to run under the street? Put the new ones under the sidewalk and leave the street alone? Somebody think outside the box before these guys start planning a new palatial palace to replace the thirty year old one down the road.
tugboatnick 1/8/2013 6:42:02 AM Report
Just got this news clip re"Idle No More"
Some interesting news here
This is not a link so just copy and paste. Have a good day.
Grump 1/8/2013 6:53:55 AM Report
Good morning Skipper and Tugboat and all you sleepy heads, have a great day all.
Javaman 1/8/2013 7:37:40 AM Report
Why do so many people find it insulting to ask chief Spence where the money went? As taxpayers we are required to report everything via our tax return...no exceptions.
nanag 1/8/2013 7:56:38 AM Report
Good Morning Everyone
Having slow internet this morning. That is almost as bad as having no hot tea to start the day(or coffee for some)
Make it a good one. Smile and enjoy your day :)
bounder 1/8/2013 8:24:41 AM Report
Yesterday I took the new Pine street extension to the second line hoping to bypass a few lights ,save some time ,pollute the atmosphere a litle less and idle a little less.After a few minutes of waiting a few cars took off turned right on second line pulled u-turns and came back up second line and were gone.I waited some more and the same thing happened,more cars took off,same thing u-turn,they were gone.I waited some more ,same thing.They should have put the sign up (EXTENDED WAIT)whtf is wrong with this engineering here,its electronics for Gods sake fix it.Now we have a accident waiting to happen.Again.
flyhawk25 1/8/2013 8:28:01 AM Report
I don't know if there is a correlation between these but it strikes me that both the PUC and the SAH have become more of a 'professional workplace for suits' for wont of a better term.
The days of the Charlie Murphys at the PUC and the Grey Sisters at the hospital have been taken over by an apparent need to 'improve' our lives.
One could make the same case with Sault College. But the difference is that the former have a captive audience who have no other recourse.
The College needs clients who expect good outcomes and go elsewhere if they don't.
Just a thought to consider.
Javaman 1/8/2013 8:34:35 AM Report
I think they are called FAT CATS ,flyhawk.
mallet 1/8/2013 8:54:14 AM Report
The term a lot use are pryamid builders, and instead of the traditional way of building from the ground up they start at the top and build down! Presidents have to have vice presidents who have to have assistants and secretaries, they in turn have to have managers who have to have supervisors, who have to have foremen/women in order to stay above the rank and file, thus inulating themselves from the inevetable cutback when the wage bill gets too big, or to put it another way... dogs have fleas, upon their backs to bite them, and little fleas have smaller fleas, and so ad infinitum...
RLE 1/8/2013 9:03:00 AM Report
Perhaps the following adds to your point.
A few momths ago I paid my PUC bill and Shaw bill on-line. In both cases before the due date. For whatever reason the payment was not received by either company prior to the due date. When I received my next bill I noticed that both companies had charged interest. I went to PUC and basically was told to go away,shut up and pay the interest. At Shaw cable the interest was rescinded. PUC is a monopoly. Shaw has competition. In both cases I provided proof that I had made my payment prior to the due date. As the amount of money was not significant I did not pursue the matter further, but from that point on the taste of the water was not the only thing that left a bad taste.
RLE 1/8/2013 9:06:29 AM Report
Your post reminds me of a saying a friend of mine used to have. It was,"The working class can kiss my a--,I got the foreman's job at last."
ROLAND_ROLLY 1/8/2013 9:10:49 AM Report
I just read the article regarding the water rate increase for the next 10 years.
Only in the Sault would this be tolerated. Currently we have water that is less than acceptable in purity and taste, yet we will allow an increase for a sub-standard product.
Let's face it, this corporation is NOT accountable to anyone ! Case in point is the new building, the cost of which may have put a dent in the water rate increase !
Second point, even the councillors in Ward 1 do not respond to emails, phone calls etc. anymore.
Suck it up Saultites, we have created this mess over many years, and it will take an act of a supreme power to clean it up !
Just wait for the crash of ESSAR and the Lottery leaving town happens in the near future, the increase in water rates will be the least of our cities worries.
Hope everyone has a happy new year !
KENNEDY919 1/8/2013 9:12:50 AM Report
There is something seriously wrong with the underlying value of our Canadian principles when the mayor of Toronto loses his job over a $3,150.00 donation to his football foundation without a declared conflict of interest while Chief Spence is heralded as an inspiration even though she cannot account for 104 million dollars of taxpayer funds.
right wing 1/8/2013 9:16:38 AM Report
Some Canadians become more outraged over a traffic light not operating properly or a street under construction...go figure, it does have some comedic value...I know I chuckle at them every day.
bounder 1/8/2013 9:21:54 AM Report
Re: Chief Spence.
A smear campaign against her ,maybe poor accounting,probably,poor judgement,probably.
The leaked release of alleged misspending,supposedly leaked,timing could'nt have been better.
From a government that acts with impunity.This from the same people that brought you(PROFUNC)prominent funcionaries of the communist party. ,1950-1983.Look it up on Wikipedia.
Law abiding citizens who would be locked up in the event of war.Surely they tell the thruth at every turn.
skipper dave 1/8/2013 9:49:30 AM Report
I for one feel saddened by the revelation that all is not kosher with our hunger campaign. Again we have victims. When we put people on a pedestal and we all do, checking their resume should be a must. Like a candidate running for office, make sure you are squeaky clean, you will be found out. So if there is a hint of truth about this Chief then I feel saddened for the people who have been duped. The cause is still just and right but that may be overshadowed and lost thru the discrediting of the messenger. I'm wondering if maybe the first nations hire some objective legal advice before starting off on this type of campaign. Like getting in a tank full of sharks before knowing anything about their feeding habits. Wouldn't surprise me if the conservatives had full knowledge for some time but waited for the maximum impact.
Grump 1/8/2013 9:59:47 AM Report
Skipper you are too nice a guy. I would be surprised had they not had that info all along.
Budster 1/8/2013 10:01:38 AM Report
Skipper you are right timing is everything in p;olitics. I believe that Harper planned this release for maximum impact but for him to be able to do this there had to be some lead time because these audits are not a one day affair. So I also believe Spence had forewarning that it was coming and what they would find...hence Harper had better timing than Spence. Notice Spence didn't allow any questions from reporters since the release.
Wicket 1/8/2013 11:18:25 AM Report
The last part of my post from yesterday evening, referring to a CBC news report concerning the audit:
??? Funding was meant for housing, education,infrastructure and other services and then the audit says ' could not do really was to determine whether the money was spent the way it was intended to be'??? What???? "Funding conditions may not have been met." What???? Ask the people living there, was infrastructure (I assume meaning water, sewer, electrical infrastructure) done? Do they have adequate housing with heat, running water, etc. (housing); are the children attending a school housed in a decent building to receive their education. Really! How hard can it be to determine whether monies did actually get spent on what it was intended to be for??
the_mage 1/8/2013 12:11:55 PM Report
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
bounder 1/8/2013 12:33:01 PM Report
Two hrs ago. The high court has ruled that Metis and Non status indians are indeed Indians acording to the constitution.600,000 more natives are now on board,it also says that the federal government may not be on the hook right now, but eventually will happen.OMG I get a tax exempt card.GRUMP better check your ancestors as you maybe on the other side of the fence now.LMAO.
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 12:34:10 PM Report
Grump 1/8/2013 12:49:04 PM Report
Bounder the problem with that is I have always worked for a living. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. lol.
Christina216 1/8/2013 12:54:52 PM Report
so because they have a tax card they dont work??? there may be a few bad apples but you dont need to label them all that way...
TFinn 1/8/2013 1:31:10 PM Report
As a business owner like many of the posters out there, must always submit my taxes and GST taxes monthly and have very accurate records at all times ... or they (Gov) are all over me if there is even a small discrepancy ... I MUST be accountable …always with no excuses …period...!
Left Winger 1/8/2013 1:31:49 PM Report
What's really sad is that Chief Spence's hunger strike occurred near the same time as the Idle No more movement.
There is no connection between the two except what is being generated by the media.
My understanding is that the Chief is on a hunger strike to get Haprer to meet with all of the Chief's while the Idle No More movement is a protest against the omnibus bill stripping the need for environmental assessments prior to any work taking place ie mining, oil pipelines etc and the selling of reserved lands....
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 2:15:03 PM Report
I thought this made things pretty clear. It's concise.
Untangling the web of issues around #IdleNoMore and Attawapiskat
TFinn 1/8/2013 2:28:01 PM Report
Everyone is accountable throughout their lives for a myriad of matters. Looks like Spencer’s shenanigans may have backfired. Kind of reminds me of the old Honeymooners sitcom, when Ralph had to explain something he did wrong to his wife Alice ahhh ……hummana hummana hummana hummana ……!
BTW ..Didn’t little children hold their breath to get their way or attention. .??
the_mage 1/8/2013 3:06:11 PM Report
Free gas like Justin Bieber!
Left Winger 1/8/2013 3:37:02 PM Report
mut be nice to feel so smug about your own affairs to declare that Chief Spence does not desrve to live....please tell us how you truly feel....
Perhaps it's time you moved back to Gilligans Island so you can be voted off!!!!
right wing 1/8/2013 3:49:12 PM Report
...I believe she was voted off.
nikapeakin 1/8/2013 3:55:48 PM Report
I THINK EVERY ONE HAS THIER OWN SAY BUT WHEN YOU WORK AND PAY TAXES AND FOLLOW THE LAW AND ARE NOT RICH YOU GET NOTHING FOR FREE.NOT EVEN A LAWYER TO GET CHILD SUPPORT,SPOUSAL SUPPORT BECAUSE YOU MAKE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS PAST $26,000.00.YOU GET NO CHILD TAX CREDIT AS THEY ARE NOW 18 AND IN HIGH SCHOOL.YOU GET NO GST,NO NOTHIN FREE!!BUT IF YOU ARE ON ASSISTANCE,INDIAN STATUS,ODSP ECT YOU GET FREE LAWYERS,CHILD TAX CREDIT GST,ALL FREE,FREE FREE.MUST BE NICE.SHOULD HAVE QUIT MY JOB TOO.I WOULD BE LIVING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ABOUT&230.00 FOR A HOUSE A MONTH ALL INCLUSIVE,FREE EVERYTHING AND I DON,T EVEN HAVE TO GET UP FOR WORK PAY UTILITIES,JUST STAY HOME,GO TO BINGO,GO TO STATION MALL,THE MOVIES.MY I MUST HAVE MY HEAD RED.WORKING SINGLE MOM
right wing 1/8/2013 4:01:01 PM Report
" Spence's spokespeople said Monday that the release of the Attawapiskat audit is an attempt to distract the public from the bigger issues at hand.
Her common-law partner and co-manager of Attawapiskat, Clayton Kennedy, said there are no allegations of "misappropriation or anything like that."
Kennedy defended his and Spence's reported combined household income of about $250,000 a year, saying: "I think it's adequate for the job that is being done."
These are the kind of reckless statements that can and should boil folks blood.
These two are the worst thing possible for the First Nations cause.
bounder 1/8/2013 4:01:52 PM Report
OH Maryanne .
Let me add more worries for you,600,000 new faces have been labeled as Indian by the federal court to-day.The Metis and Non status Idians are now the federals responsibility.Kinda makes you wish your ancestors stayed home.
Left Winger 1/8/2013 4:27:07 PM Report
go easy on yourself Nikpicker
My sister is on ODSP and does not get a free lawyer or not much of anything else free. On a very limited budget and if she overspends for an item guess what, that's her tough luck.
As for the natives getting free lawyers, well take a look at some of the audits...the only ones that seem to be getting rich are the lawyers on the FN's payroll fighting the govt on their behalf. don't forget Natives were not allowed a lawyer to represent them against the govt until recently - about 20 - 30 years ago...
As well, quit screaming at us just because you screwed over by your ex and his LAWYER....
Christina216 1/8/2013 4:33:03 PM Report
you can get a lawyer...its called legal aide...what reserve gives houses away?? last i heard they get a morgage...they pay utilities..as for the comment about tax free land...lmao thats what the government gave them after they gave up(tricked into)"Canada"
Grump 1/8/2013 4:45:10 PM Report
I feel sorry for the Metis and non status Indians. If they thought they were being discriminated against before wait until they run into the white backlash now as Chief Spence and the Idle no more movement has done more to set back First Nation/White relations than anything else I can think of happening before. I believe the old saying is quite true in this case. "Be carefull what you wish for as you may just get it".
the_mage 1/8/2013 4:46:20 PM Report
Can somebody tell me where I can find info on the process of how my Canadian tax dollars fund the First Nations lives?
Christina216 1/8/2013 4:48:15 PM Report
there is nowwhere cause they dont....
Christina216 1/8/2013 4:49:13 PM Report
if there was someone on this site would have posted it by now....
nikapeakin 1/8/2013 4:56:16 PM Report
I AM ACTUALLY NATIVE ALSO BUT DID NOT APPLY FOR STATUS AS I GREW UP AWAY FROM MY NATIVE FAMILY.I DID NOT INTEND TO KNOCK DOWN OR OFFEND ANY PERSON.I WAS JUST SAYING THE GOVERNMENT WANTS THIS WAY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE SO THEY STAY QUIET.I DID TRY FOR LEGAL AID .I MADE $2,000.00 OVER THE $26,000.00 LIMIT FOR A PARENT WITH TWO CHILDREN.I HOPE THEY ALL GET MORE MONEY BECAUSE THE GOVERMENT WILL ONLY KEEP IT FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE DISABLED OR HAVE SMALL CHILDREN UNDER 5 THAT CANNOT WORK.HOW DO THESE PEOPLE AFFORD MORGAGES IF THEY DON,T WORK OR EVEN QUALIFY.PLEASE LET ME KNOW.STILL PROUD FOR MYSELF AND KIDS AS THEY KNOW WHERE MY CHECK COMES FROM.MOM
Christina216 1/8/2013 5:00:59 PM Report
are you saying all natives that live on reserve dont work?? if they dont have an income to afford these houses then they dont get a house...plain and simple...if they dont have money to pay for power it gets cut off just like everyone else..
realitycheck 1/8/2013 5:24:25 PM Report
If she is on a so called "hunger strike", she should go hungry and be given nothing to eat. She does not deserve to live.
She does not deserve to live, you say. That is the most crass statement I have ever read on this site and there have been some crass ones. Not deserve to live? I can't believe it was said and I can't believe it is being allowed to stand.
nikapeakin 1/8/2013 5:42:30 PM Report
This lady has a right to live more tahn most,as she is fighting for her people and many children.I pray&hope for her to live and help make our greedy government pay for what they have taken from these poor family,s.Maybe we can feed Canada,s poor first then when they are no longer straving ,give to other country,s.No madder the Nationality she has a right to life.
TankGirl 1/8/2013 6:36:39 PM Report
Ugh. Wake up Aboriginals friends! Chief Spence is and will continue to rip you off and lie, lie, LIE! She needs to be replaced with a Chief who cares for their people and knows how to do the job right! The audit is not a smoke screen, was not done by or in favour of a Conservative agenda and is the TRUTH! CBC released this audit and they are not fans of Conservatives AND have always supported Aborignal rights and causes. They of all people would have torn this document to shreds had it been false or Conservative funded.
Also, they don't get free houses. They pay a monthly mortgage for 25 yrs and then own the house. Get your facts straight.
TankGirl 1/8/2013 6:39:32 PM Report
Spence received this audit report in August. If there was nothing to hide, she would have come forward first with facts and supporting documents to quash it. She didn't. Her inactions and distractions on this subject speak volumes of her guilt and lies. GET RID OF HER!!
the_mage 1/8/2013 6:45:29 PM Report
LOL. Your soapboxes are all caked up with something else...
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 6:49:12 PM Report
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for. This tells where your tax dollar went for 2011. I didn't look for 2012.
the_mage 1/8/2013 6:50:10 PM Report
True dat 216.
If there was proof that the Canadian tax payers money went to the natives then someone would have posted it by now. I keep hearing most of the idiots moaning on this site about their tax dollars being used on natives when in fact they don't. I call them on that with proof but they don't own up to their posts.
In the meantime, both parties should fess up.
And in other news...Don Cherry thinks sending millions to Haiti is "nuts."
the_mage 1/8/2013 6:51:10 PM Report
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 6:53:38 PM Report
Thief Spence isn't fighting for her people...she's just trying to get more for herself and her pals. She was enjoying being in the spotlight. Now that she won't speak to any journalists about the audit, it seems that she isn't getting as much attention. I wonder what her next move will be so she can get more attention.
the_mage 1/8/2013 6:58:56 PM Report
flyhawk25 1/8/2013 7:18:39 PM Report
psssttt...I think we get it.
Some posters are sympathetic, some aren't and some actually have facts and reasoned comments.
In the meantime there is a big world out there besides this one volatile issue.
Good grief - let's get hockey back and give the zealots something else to scream about.
sparks7 1/8/2013 7:39:27 PM Report
I think it was you that posted a while back about an efficient way to boil veggies.Well,I just tried it and am amazed to find that it works like a charm! I never would have thunk it.Thanks!
TankGirl 1/8/2013 7:43:11 PM Report
Pink - her next move was played today to further deflect the attention on the audit. She stated she was adding to the cause of her hunger strike and demanding measures of the C45 Bill be removed.
She is playing the same game she is accusing the Government of. Creating smoke screens to steer the public eye away from the truth.
Chief Spence is a joke and the people of Attawapiskat need to know this and demand her removal. They deserve more and can have it if she leaves and they can replace her with someone with morals and accountability to their people. They can make this happen much easier than we can with our Governement. But, we would stand beside them and help them fight! There are many reserves that have done much more for their people with less money and resources so we know it can be done.
I see comments about posters complaining about money, blah, blah. I am not arguing against the people of Attawapiskat and their funding. I am saying it has not been managed properly and the evidence is clear when you see pictures and video of the state of the reserve. So please don't put me in the category of people arguing about who deserves what money, where it comes from or anything else. They have the right to the money but deserve someone who will do the job right.
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 8:09:14 PM Report
sparks7, I'm glad you tried it. My aunt taught me that. I was amazed too when she showed me that.
skipper dave 1/8/2013 8:09:21 PM Report
There are some posters on here who only feel good about themselves while denigrating another.
There are two ways to have the best house on the street, fix yours up or burn down everyone else's! Any takers?
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 8:17:16 PM Report
Tankgirl, she's quite the player. So is her boyfriend.
nanag 1/8/2013 8:27:17 PM Report
I am with you .. enough already.. Bring on the hockey!!!!!
sparks7 1/8/2013 8:55:53 PM Report
I sure wish I would have known that trick years ago.Imagine a savings of let's say 25 or fifty cents a day in power costs, invested and compounded over the the life of a dinosaur like me?But here is where it really gets me.When I think of all the extra firewood and all the time and work that entails.Wood I would not have had to burn while in the bush.I just shudder,Yikes.
skipper dave 1/8/2013 9:15:38 PM Report
Hey I know what's do to have some fun? Let's put down one wayward member of a disenfranchised group but deep down we all know it applies to the whole group right guys? Just like the brown people in new Orleans, every one knows had they been white there would have been a lot fewer deaths during Katrina.Is racism alive and well in the Sault? You betcha and if I was totally crass I'd call you by name on it! I'm so tired of the thinly veiled hatred, think I'll go watch the telly - Maybe some intellectual show like swamp logger or swamp people or canadian picker or american picker and of course my favourite biker build off between dysfunctional father and nut bar son of all places the history channel - second thought I'll read till I'm tired.
shakespeare 1/8/2013 9:34:22 PM Report
Skipper : I get your point, but don't assume that racism is at the core of criticisms of Spence. That's too much of an easy way out, just as it is for people to blame Harper for everything, and , believe me, I am no supporter of him. Many I know have great sympathy for the plight of those in need, but cringe at the selfish politics of those that represent them. I worked closely with local First Nations people and saw some wonderful and some very bad nepotistic things going on.
I think we can criticise Spence without feeling racist just as we can criticise a one armed, bald person with an ileostomy without feeling that we are painting all such people with the same brush.
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 9:43:18 PM Report
I'm on equal billing with the PUC. I learned that way of cooking about 3 years ago. Since then, the amount I have to pay has gone down close to $50 per month. PUC has paid me back money every year so far. 1st, they gave me back about $600. Last year, it was only $13. Year before, about $200. Having the house insulated helped big time too. I keep my thermostat 10 degrees F lower than before and I don't have to turn the heaters on, on the east side. Next (anything to pay less to PUC), I'm going to get a wood burning stove to heat the place. My house is small and I should save about $1000/1100 per year on PUC. Wood will cost me about $500-600 per year. An added bonus will be that I'll get good exercise chopping, piling, etc!
nanag 1/8/2013 10:03:05 PM Report
A man who chops fire wood is twice warmed(??)I don't know who said it but it's true
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 10:08:33 PM Report
nanag, does that go for women too? :)
Just Curious 1/8/2013 10:11:15 PM Report
PP,what's this special way of cooking veggies? I'm up for any way to save a bit. I must have missed the day you guys are talking about.....
nanag 1/8/2013 10:21:50 PM Report
Of course.. but a "smart" woman would just cuddle up to the nicely warmed up guy that just did all the work :)
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 10:25:00 PM Report
JC, copied and pasted
My aunt taught me something a few years ago about cooking veggies like turnip, carrots, potatoes. It saves on electricity if you have an electric stove.
Instead of covering veggies with water, bring to a boil and continue to boil until tender, try this.
Put a bit of water (an inch or so, all veggies won't be covered) in the pot with veggies. Put the lid on tight. Bring to a boil, then turn off the burner. Don't remove the lid for about 1/2 to 3/4 of an hour. They'll be done, tender. You will have very little water to drain and that means fewer nutrients lost too.
Pink Peony 1/8/2013 10:27:57 PM Report
nanag, I'm dumb then...sniff, sniff.
Brianne 1/8/2013 10:43:08 PM Report
where your tax dollars go
nanag 1/8/2013 10:50:16 PM Report
My apologies.. I did not mean to say you were not smart. Let me just re-state it. If we let the man chop the wood we can enjoy his workout heat while saving our energy for something a little more uhhhmmmm pleasurable like cuddling (which could lead to more heat generating activities) (wink wink).. of course this is just my over active imagination at work.. truthfully I don't even think I know how to even cuddle anymore (sigh)
sparks7 1/8/2013 11:12:29 PM Report
It will work for women too.The work out is for sure a bonus to getting your own heat.I cut all mine by hand with a bucksaw in the bush.Added bonus when you do it that way and are alone is safety,as apposed to using a chainsaw.Not to mention,cost of running and and taking care of one of them noisy,smelly,beasts.To cut that way through softwood and birch is easy,hardwood a little tougher.You have to have a good bucksaw.WARNING,if you were to choose to do it that way.Many of the "new" bucksaws on the market today are worse than useless.Do not buy that junk they are selling at canadian tire these days.I can't believe they could put stuff like that on the selves!Does not anybody do any R&D anymore? Or do they care?
Just Curious 1/8/2013 11:16:59 PM Report
Thanks PP,will try it tomorrow. I pretty much boil eggs the same way but never thought about veggies....:)
sparks7 1/9/2013 6:08:12 AM Report
for those fiberglass axes...they are junk.