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View Room Comments for Sunday, Jan. 6 2013

Sunday, January 06, 2013   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 1/6/2013 7:12:54 AM Report

Good morning everyone, just waiting to haul the old girl out of the sack for breakfast. Have a great day and peace to all.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 7:15:18 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo!
Spent the Saturday lounging at Searchmount and one thought kept coming up. our "don't drink and drive" campaign is not getting thru? As a recovered Alcoholic I certainly never knew how to drink responsibly and I have no wish to be anyone's moral compass but my own, but I can't help making a judgement on someone else making stupid choices.
Observation - Young families being driven down THAT twisty highway by someone whose had four or five beer over the afternoon?
Three or four obviously comfortable retirees spend the afternoon on the hill accompanied by three or four beers topped off with a rum and coke and all head home?
Now these are not your hard core drunks - I was one of those and I'm going to drive even if it's a hanging offence. These folks were not one of those. I think it's just a matter of education. I have a friend who we both attended a BBQ and he had two beer over the space of an hour and a half. Being the responsible guy I know him to be he stopped for a period of an hour then drove home to the island. Cut to the chase he was pulled over and blew. he was borderline, brought back to the station where he registered right under the line. Scared the crap out of the guy and yes he is a little skinny body mass. But to this day he gets it? The crowd at Searchmount I believe don't. Again the issue is not how much you drank?
nanag 1/6/2013 7:23:50 AM Report

Good Morning Skipper Dave,Grump,Everyone

Grump

Are you waiting for your wife to get out of bed so she can make you breakfast? or you make her breakfast? or you take her to breakfast?

I hope it's not so she can make you breakfast... first guy up on Sunday should do the cooking :)


Grace 1/6/2013 8:51:27 AM Report

I see that the hockey lock out may be finally at an end..Leafs been tied for first place for too long...Go Leafs Go!!!
skipper dave 1/6/2013 8:54:41 AM Report

Thought - What if we get mothers against drunk driving in conjunction with the bars to push the "DD" program? Go to the bar and identify yourself as the groups DD and you get free soft drinks and a silly free brightly coloured goofy hat that becomes part of the program branding. Now those who are making the choice to not drive can relax and drink until they fall on the floor. The bar makes more money selling booze and Skipper Dave can stop making moral judgements cause you have a goofy hatted person at your table and as a bonus you get a free pass at the ride program while transporting a car load of stinking drunks home to their loved ones and prevent me and my loved ones from having the crime of vehicular manslaughter perpetrated upon us. Also it makes the act of supporting "Crime Stoppers" imprison the drunk driver for life program more effective? Goofy hats anyone?
flyhawk25 1/6/2013 9:05:18 AM Report

Skipper...I can't speak for most other places but at my favorite watering hole the bartenders and servers are very, very careful.
One of many reasons is that they know that they are liable if a drunk leaves there and gets into trouble.
I have also seen many folks 'leave their cars for a sleep-over' and take a cab or hitch a ride or walk.
I believe that the message is getting through.
That said - when my kids were young that drive in from Searchmont scared me for that reason. That road is scary enough without drunks but I hope that attitudes have changed.
Bad Dawg 1/6/2013 9:38:06 AM Report

Good morning all
As for the DD program I am all for it, I have younger friends that will call my house at 2:30 am and I go drive them home, the wife don't mind the phone call as to a sad one by the families later on.
My Dad did the same thing, I can't count the times I called him from a friends house after midnite, he was happy to do it cause he knew we made the right choices.
Some larger cities have scooter DD's they take a scooter to your bar and drive your car home, take the scooter out of the trunk and off to the next one.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 9:57:20 AM Report

Bad Dawg - Commendable, I'd like to say I would do the same but when woken I come out of a deep sleep grouchier then "rw" on a Mitt defeat nite. I've been known not to be of sound mind (bah hah) when half asleep. But you my friend have my admiration. So I'd prefer to offer cab fare instead and leave it on the little table by the entrance. Works for me! Of course if it's my kids and apples don't fall far from the tree they would get their friends to drive them home to get more beer money, wouldn't you know. My eldest used to go to the nearest pizza joint and order a delivery and hit the delivery guy with a five dollar tip plus ride. That's a chip off the old block.
statusquo 1/6/2013 10:01:12 AM Report

Even if one would ignore the potential ultimate tragedies for drunk driving ... and gamble on being pulled over for a RIDE check...it really is not worth it.
I doubt the consequences are clearly understood.
If you blow over the limit, you will lose your car for a while and will have to pay towing and storage fees, then the loss of your driver's license, then the court date, lawyer's fee , the fine, if and when you get your car back your insurance rate will skyrocket and you'll have to pay for an interlock system imposed by the court.
What if your job requires you to drive?
What if your job is an hour's drive from home?
Feeling "fine" after a few drinks means squat, some people can drink far more then others and still carry on a conversation but that does not matter as the blood alcohol level is what counts. Several factors influence how long alcohol is metabolized by the liver..i.e age, sex as in "gender" (not if you had any), body weight, medications, food intake, drinking history etc.
For most adults one beer or one 12 oz glass of wine with a meal spanning 2 hours will be fine. Anything above that is a gamble. So, if you're not sure drink Ginger ale and hand the keys over to a responsible person BEFORE you start drinking!
Also, if you must drink yourself into a stupor, the morning after you might still be impaired!

The aforementioned financial consequences are just if you get pulled over and nothing else happens....if you get into an accident with injuries or death ,your life and the lives your thoughtless behaviour affected will never , ever be the same.
And for what?....the cost of a cab ride?


skipper dave 1/6/2013 10:08:15 AM Report

PUC nite at city council on monday - lots of notice. Folks my deepest apologies on your puke like tasting water. I didn't appreciate the magnitude of the chlorine issue till I was forced to drink that crap at the SAH. I'm fortunate enough to be on artesian well water c/w filtering system. What if someone gets a court order against finishing their palatial new HQ until they fix the product they sell to the public. For the love of Gawd this zone of denial that we even have a problem is in itself a public lashing offence. Please somebody admit the problem, somebody define the problem and somebody have the balls to explain the solution. Anybody out there? We want our glorious tasting water sans javex impregnated slop we are now being served returned to us.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 10:17:29 AM Report

jeez Stats I've heard a minimum price tag of $10'000 big ones before your all finished. This Bud's for you? Ironically I have a close relative whose an executive for a beverage company out of St. Louise. Wonder if they validate the fines?
old-cat33 1/6/2013 10:20:27 AM Report

Nothing on the missing snowmobilers on Lake George this morning?

Grace: So the Leafs are tied for first?....LOL. Now that's a good one!! Maybe in two weeks we will get to hear Don Cherry's side of the story?

19 years ago I quit drinking and for the first year offered my services as a DD. Man was that a pain in the ass job!....LOL.

Gotta game across the creek so gotta blast...Go Bruins!!!!!
Bad Dawg 1/6/2013 10:29:36 AM Report

I think they are still searching. It is a real shame that people still don't know to stay off the ice til its safe. Only 3-4 inches on Cloudy/Diamond and they are way smaller than George.
right wing 1/6/2013 10:33:41 AM Report

Cost for a first offense of impaired when all expenses are added in can reach as high as 18,000.
This does not factor in job loss.
It is simple...if you drink...don't drive.
The examples that you gave skipper dave are typical of those that still believe that four or five over the afternoon is still O.K.....they will some day get their eyes opened wide.

...hate to break it to you but we have always had chlorine in the water, along with ammonia.
Chlorine was and always will be present in the water.

skipper dave 1/6/2013 10:46:46 AM Report

BUT rw the taste quality is no where near what it used to be with or without the chemical soup recipe they have been playing with. It may be a boon to your profession but for the 70,000 other folks it's all a puke!
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 10:48:30 AM Report

In 1978, my 17 year old foster brother was killed by an under aged drunk driver. Jamie was delivering pizzas in order to help with finances because my foster father was in the hospital dying of cancer. He was stopped under a street light looking at a map when the drunk rear ended him. The car squashed (austin mini) and the impact of the stearing wheel against Jamie's chest killed him.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 10:49:55 AM Report

I use a Brita water filter. It gets rid of the smell and bad taste.
Mr. Poster 1/6/2013 11:01:07 AM Report

The PUC should pay for your BRITTA. It is obvious the PUC does not know HOW to fix the problem ...OR.. do not have the MONEY to fix the problem. Whatever...it is time to bring in out of town water specialists and gets this problem looked after.Perhaps that 100 grand donation could have paid for experts from the outside?
AceOfBass 1/6/2013 11:04:25 AM Report

Good to hear Coaches Corner will be back on.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 11:07:25 AM Report

Mr. Poster, I think they should too. I didn't need one before.
goldie 1/6/2013 11:10:16 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo, off to the gym today to workout. It is my moral duty to not be disgustingly overweight and not be a burden to the health care system. It takes some commitment and work, planning and responsibility but I can do it and will do it. There are no excuses to be unhealthy.
right wing 1/6/2013 11:20:31 AM Report

skipper dave

It is not a "boon" to my profession.
As much as folks bitch and whine about this issue I have had only a couple of dozen calls on it.
When the "issue" is explained honestly along with the different options and costs most folks don't do squat about it.
Some in the business have advertised extensively and suggest "this problem will never go away".
Completely untrue, (from an odour aspect) it will and already has in many areas of the city.
I have pointed out repeatedly that there has always been chemicals in municipal water, in our case there used to be more.
Long before the city changed to free chlorine, I offered my opinion as to why I believed you should remove the chemicals from the water prior to consumption.
If I sell a system for municipal water my customer is making an educated decision based on chemical elimination from water and why, not on an odour issue that will eventually go away.
Many still will not spend the money.
I have come to the conclusion it is a S.S.M. mentality as the equipment that I speak of is almost a standard in homes in Southern Ontario.
It does make me chuckle a bit the way folks are...

"I can smell the chlorine, what the hell is with that"

...yes but chlorine has always been in your water and you have been drinking it along with ammonia.

"I don't care...now I can smell it"

It makes for an new saying..."out of smell out of mind."

As I told statusquo a while back,(we had a personal conversation on this) the mistake the PUC made was poor education and communication with the public on the free chlorine process and grossly underestimating the time frame for the change over.
right wing 1/6/2013 11:26:09 AM Report

P.P.

Brita is only doing just that...we call it a polishing effect.
It does not do chemical elimination and the filters should be changed on a regular basis.
statusquo 1/6/2013 11:30:43 AM Report

"If a trip to the Vatican is on your to do list, you’ll need plenty of cash for all the tickets, souvenirs and food. The world’s tiniest state has suspended all bank cards payments and emptied ATMs after it failed to comply with EU money laundering legislation"

What??? The Vatican laundering money????
What's this world coming too ?...Oh Mother!...I can't stop laughing!


RLE 1/6/2013 12:09:52 PM Report

RW

Your comment,"the mistake the PUC made was...." is right on. If they had been upfront and not overly optimistic about the time frame for the odour issue at the same time as they were building the new PUC building that a lot of people thought was a waste of money they would not be involved in this public relations fiasco.

One can also throw in the AUC donation, as well as the seeming coronation of Brian Curran's successor and the fiasco just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
AceOfBass 1/6/2013 12:17:52 PM Report

The PUC should have hired an outsider with no personal connections to take over from Mr Curran.It would have been much better than having one of the Old Guard who was groomed for the position.
redranger 1/6/2013 12:17:58 PM Report

Hi Skipper
You say you are "recovered". Wonderful..I envy you.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 12:47:50 PM Report

Red after 15 years I get it! Just like smoking, you get it?
Staying in the disease mode sets you up for failure, I have no one but myself to thank or to choose to drink and lose everything. Someday I hope you graduate and stand on your own two feet without replacing one dependence with another. Love the line from that great book of wisdom - "Oz never gave to the tin man what he didn't already have". Alcoholism is a response not a disease. Put two people in a room for thirty days one with diabetes the other with alcoholism and without treatment see who walks out in thirty days. Sorry Red but I had so many friends who felt they had to attend meetings everyday in order to not drink (goofy logic) you don't hear of ex-smokers attending meets do you, is that not a disease too? So am I getting into a pissing contest with the 12 step program?Damn right I am. They are as effective as doing nothing at all. They have published their success rate at 5 to 10%. Try that bit of evidence on a cancer ward and see how many takers you get. Don't tell the lay people how much of that program is based on faith healing or your going to get a big rush to break down the door?
mallet 1/6/2013 1:00:42 PM Report

Statusquo...

Oh yeah, just love all those E U rules and regulations... You know the one they have tried to bring in, in the U K... And this would be right up your street.. No after market parts on cars and motorcycles.. has to be dealer parts... Another one of the reasons the U K wants to re-negoitiate that E U deal... Maggie should have had her head examined on that one... it was bad enough when they decemalized the money.. Same as the idea of doing away with the penny here... you really, truly, honestly believe ANYTHING will be rounded down... I got a nice bridge in Broklyn I will sell you real cheap!!!!
Just Curious 1/6/2013 1:03:22 PM Report

Skipper,you are right on so many points. A friend of mine is a counselor at AA and does 20 or so meetings a month,even rides the busses a couple fridays a month to try and convince drunks to go to AA. If that isn't cult mentality I don't know what is. If you want to quit you will ,if you don't you won't. I personally drink on a regular basis,quite heavy at times but at other times i may go weeks or months without touching it or maybe the odd one. I never have hangovers or withdrawl so I guess I am one of the lucky ones. I quit a 3 pack a day smoke habit Jan 3rd,1991 cold turkey after smoking the best part of 40 years. Had a heart attack and wasn't given much odds if I didn't quit,so the need was there. Haven't even wanted a smoke since that day and don't crab at those who do,I just had to so I did. Told my son the other day tho,that he will know if I ever get anything incurable 'cause i will come home drunk as hell with a drink in one hand a cigar in the other...:)
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 1:18:56 PM Report

Skipper,

"Put two people in a room for thirty days one with diabetes the other with alcoholism and without treatment see who walks out in thirty days."

A person with type 2 diabetes you mean. A person with type 1 diabetes and no access to insulin would have ketoacidosis, may be in a coma or dead or close to it. I have to speak on that because I advocate for awareness of type 1 diabetes due to my son having it. They are two very different diseases.

Also, my brother has been sober for about 26 years now. AA is what helped him to stay sober and although he doesn't attend meetings like he use to, he still does go every now and then.

To each, his own.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 1:19:31 PM Report

OK rw I accept what you say as coming from one who knows of what he speaks, but the question begs to be asked "how long"? I believe the taste is more pronounced for me because I have the luxury of having the same water as the Moss road well. So if I'm having brunch at the Delta or taking pre-meds at the SAH the taste and stench are noticeable. Where at in the city ie; ward has the symptom dissipated?
skipper dave 1/6/2013 1:22:13 PM Report

Pink - you are absolutely right on all counts, good luck with your loved one.
TFinn 1/6/2013 1:26:07 PM Report

skipper dave 1/6/2013 7:15:18 AM

Well it’s only a matter of time …someone or somebody will think they’re good to go and that’s when something can happen. 95% of the visitors have to get to Searchmont by their own means. Smart serve covered many issues with serving drinks and the servers of Searchmont better follow the rules in this situation with a greater diligence knowing there are no taxis or easy public transit. Someone is going to be driving back to the Soo and it will only take one time for a screw up with possible tragic events. The owners of Searchmont better have the best people watching this never occurs, otherwise they may find themselves in a huge lawsuit. If I was the owner of Searchmont I would cover my rear …I would have kind of a stationary ride program, manned by a designated employee stationed at a kiosk , and it would be compulsory to stop and let the staff member observe and if there were any red flags then the driver would have to submit a breath sample before their departure of the area. It would be piece of mind for all, …. creates employment, promotes safety and good insurance to avoid any future repercussions or lawsuits due to drunk drivers.
Sometimes you have think outside the box.If it saves just one life ..it is worth it.

Cheers ..!! No pun intended ..!
skipper dave 1/6/2013 1:27:04 PM Report

Just Curious - right on brother - I have a saying about addictions. "you stop when you feel the heat or see the light and to date I've never met anyone who has truthfully seen the light."
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 1:37:07 PM Report

I think cops should be allowed to put a breathalyzer to anybody who walks out of a bar and gets behind the wheel. They should be able to check anybody leaving a bar. But politics you know...that wouldn't be good for the bar owners business.
bounder 1/6/2013 1:50:16 PM Report

PP
I think that they should go to your house in the middle of the night and make sure you are not doing anything illegal.Dosn't sound logical does it.Neither does your comment.
Bad Dawg 1/6/2013 2:02:54 PM Report

Bars should have a ride program in effect and a free breath-analyzer. I don't mind picking up my buddies but I do mind when there is someone too cool to make the right choice. I have taken keys from drunk people and it always ends with me or someone else telling them "getting your arse kicked won't get your keys back any sooner get in so I can drive you home or go take a long nap". I do return the next day and hand them their keys. They hang their head in shame for their actions the night before and feel how they should...... like an idiot!!

I am proud to say most of the ones I did it with the first time don't do it again and turn into somewhat of a enforcer themselves!!

As for the AA comments... any treatment will work if the person addicted wants to be treated, and if some want it bad enough they don't need any type of treatment.
statusquo 1/6/2013 2:08:08 PM Report

AA could be described as a cult. It preys on the most vulnerable and subjects them to a form of mind control. But hey, what's the alternative you might say...

There are dozens of equally well working secular programs one might choose to participate in.

Of course there are millions of people who fervently believe that the AA 12-step program saved their lives. They are inclined to recommend that others follow their example even though the majority of the people who enroll in the program do not succeed in it.
AA gained popularity by disguising "religion" with "spirituality" hence flying under the radar and gaining the support of courts, replacing one yoke with another.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 2:17:06 PM Report

Hey bounder/JP...quack! Do you miss all the attention you got quacking?
Just Curious 1/6/2013 2:54:00 PM Report

When i lived out side of Ottawa for a few years there was a bar at Carlsbad Springs that was a favorite watering hole for anybody heading that way to get home. The Ottawa area police made a fortune from that bar by stopping a lot of cars and nailing drunk drivers. Turned out the police would stop up the street, walk to the parking lot and clean ONE headlight on every car in the parking lot. They just sat down the road and stopped(supposedly at random)every car with one clean headlight. Worked for a long time until the patrons caught on and started cleaning their own lights before pulling out.:)

And I agree with the other posters,it's whatever works for you,but I know several people that swear that they were alcholics and go to every meeting and I don't recall ever seeing them drunk. A couple I have never ever seen drink,period,my son among them...He doesn't go to meetings,just says he was an alky..Different strokes for different folks,I just always have a DD so life is good...:)
bounder 1/6/2013 3:08:58 PM Report

Bad Dawg .
Good comment,I like that idea.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 3:16:02 PM Report

I had a friend who was an alcoholic. He died 4 1/2 years ago at the age of 53 (heart attacks during his last 3 months and didn't want treatment). I never knew a physically addicted alcoholic before him. It was scary to watch him as he tried to detox...never saw anything like it before. The longest stretch he went was 10 days without booze. It was always the third day that seemed to be the worst for him...the buckets of sweat that poured out of him and the shaking!! He couldn't eat either, just felt too sick. He tried AA and it didn't work for him.
statusquo 1/6/2013 3:25:10 PM Report

Pink,

Some folks are beyond help. It's a fact of life. Sometimes there is no hope.
For some AA may work very well but this notion that alcoholism is a "disease" doesn't sit very well with me.
Alcohol or any other drug, with some exceptions, is not the enemy....it's the overindulgence.
This puritanical idea that zero is the only option is antiquated and does not work for a lot of people.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 3:36:49 PM Report

Status...I realized it is a disease when I saw the physical withdrawals my friend went through. It took a hold of his body to the point that he needed the alcohol to function. There are many reasons for a person to drink excessively. My friend started at 8 years old. It felt good to him to numb out from the pain he felt from watching his mother being beaten all the time and being unable to help her.
redranger 1/6/2013 3:38:59 PM Report

Gee..I quit drinking Dec 31, 1978 and I quit smoking Sept 5, 1982 and have had no relapses and no regrets.
I would never say that one recovery method fits all but I would never denigrate any program that works. Dave and I have different programs but we are both long sober and agree on most things. The little ones don't really matter such as the semantics of "recovered" and "recovering".
As for those of you who think it is a matter of will power..try will power next time you have diarrhea.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 3:40:14 PM Report

For some, zero is the only option because one leads to many more. For others, they can keep it under control. Everybody's different.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 3:42:53 PM Report

I just have to say congrats to you redranger and to you Skipper!! That's really quite an accomplishment!!

I'm going out for a smoke.
mallet 1/6/2013 3:52:58 PM Report

P P..

If you want to call an addiction a desease, fine, but it still amounts to the same thing as Status says it is an overindulgence for whatever reason. In the U K it was a time honoured occaision on ones 18th birthday to go out and get pie eyed for the first time, not many told you of the hangover the next day or puking your guts out in the washroom of some pub. I was fortunate, I was born in a pub, and as a toddler had a little shot glass I would hold under the pull pumps and catch the drips, not many were that lucky, and the taste of beer was not that mystery for me. I then worked as an apprentice at a large firm who ran breakdown trucks (wreckers) and we all took our turn, however in those days we were the only ones with extraction equipment and went to many accidents or crashes involving drunk drivers, which swore me off doing that forever...
skipper dave 1/6/2013 4:02:20 PM Report

Diarrea and will power is a perfect example of what I call 12 step goofy logic. Runny stool is a symptom of disease not a symptom of choice. If you don't want to drink, guess what don't ......... . Are there unpleasant side effects, you bet, we call them withdrawal symptoms and ask any ex smoker which was tougher. Bless you if AA keeps you from being lonely but don't tell the unsuspecting what it's not. As you and I know Red there are plenty of priests who claim their denomination keeps them sober. i'm going to get just as uptight. If you could only find Jesus your cancer would be cured. Jeez Louise, so guess whose fault it is if I don't get cured, not the program it's yours sonny boy the program has a 100% success rate. Goofy Logic and if you or a loved one are battling addictions this kind of thinking will drive you insane. Get professional mental health help and a life and you may just come around. And I am in complete agreement with Stats. 75% of problem drinkers mature out of it without AA and a lot resume reasonable drinking habits.
redranger 1/6/2013 4:39:12 PM Report

Dave..you should recall what Disraeli said about statistics,
What does it matter that 75% of problem drinkers mature out of it? Alcoholics are certainly problem drinkers but problem drinkers are not necessarily alcoholics. I would expect someone with your knowledge and experience with both types not to twist words to suit your jaded outlook. Didn't you learn anything in the Bolands Bay Emporium?
Incidentally, I will have to get your response in person next time we meet because I have visited this "room" for the last time.
statusquo 1/6/2013 4:49:44 PM Report

Jeez Skipper,

You touched a nerve there with red boy...he's upset now...damn shame that is.

Don't touch AA or Jesus !...he'll smite you don't you know?

It never fails to amaze me how it is that folks fall for this scam over and over again......misery, sickness, rape and torture ..all over the world...but somehow some drunk finds Jesus and all is well.....molest your niece but be "born again" and the world is in alignment. Lose your dog?...no problem...kneel and pray to the Virgin Mary....eh? Ace?
This God bullshit is really getting on my nerves.
right wing 1/6/2013 4:51:50 PM Report

skipper dave

It is a matter of what your palate is used to.
As a person on well or spring water I would imagine that even the "old" water would taste different to you.
The first time I went to Europe and took a drink of water from a faucet I thought I was going to puke...I literally spit the water directly from my mouth as soon as my taste buds kicked in.
A buildings water supply lines can affect the taste of the water...temperature, frequency of fresh water replacement, etc.
Just Curious 1/6/2013 4:54:21 PM Report

redranger,don't quit....I love your analogy about diareha.. That was funny....:)
skipper dave 1/6/2013 4:55:37 PM Report

Sorry you feel that way Red, I respect youR views and would hope you to do the same. I still believe it or not have a great deal of gratitude for my friends in AA and will not change that but that path is not mine and it's sad that you and I cannot agree to disagree. I have aways liked you and just like my few friends who are priests I am not going to squelch my views, and you will be sadly missed. You are a good hearted man.
mallet 1/6/2013 4:58:00 PM Report

R W....

Don't forget the lead pipes.... adds just that sparkle to the taste...
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 5:00:06 PM Report

Sorry to see you go redranger! Some people just don't know how to get along. They constantly are looking to put people down. Really miserable to say the least. Some quit drinking and never really deal with why they went down that road in the first place and consequently, they're sober but still angry. Gee, some don't even drink and are angry and controlling. They never deal with anything. They just try to control everything and everybody around them. That's how they numb out!
right wing 1/6/2013 5:00:16 PM Report

statusquo

"This God bullshit is really getting on my nerves."

As an atheist you do not believe in a "god" or creator or a higher power of any kind other than yourself, correct?
You are the highest power.
Therefore I can totally understand how this kind of "God bullshit" would get on your nerves.
I know you don't understand this but "God" doesn't like it either.

;)
Just Curious 1/6/2013 5:02:28 PM Report

Do you guys realise we have spent the whole day without talking politics or native issues??? Sorry,Satus,but it almost makes you beleive in a god of some sort,seeing as this is Sunday..:)
It has been an altogether great day on here(as long as redranger doesn't quit).Thanks folks...
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 5:08:11 PM Report

Status...why don't you grow up and stop whining about what others believe in. It really frustrates you to not be able to control the beliefs of others, eh.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 5:10:01 PM Report

RW, what would it cost to have a filter installed under my sink?
statusquo 1/6/2013 5:16:16 PM Report

mallet,

Lead apparently brought down the Roman Empire...they were drinking wine out of lead goblets...or so they say.


And Skip,

If you say that "redranger" is a good guy then I will take your word for it.
He shouldn't leave...why if I was disgusted(and I am) with "steely's" posts I would have left a long time ago. But I didn't!
This "littul" room of ours is a microcosm of the collective psyche of our little town in the woods . The anonymity of the posters is great as it removes inhibitions and thus we can see the true thought process of the people we have to interact on a daily basis.
Some posts by some posters would never be verbalized in a social setting, "moi" excluded as I talk this way all day long...i.e "you must know me to love me"..or else...F_ck off...(smiley face)




right wing 1/6/2013 5:17:25 PM Report

P.P.

Do-it-yourself kits start at around 75 to 90 dollars.
They are fairly simple and can be installed by a handyman...neighbor, friend, Dad, Uncle, Brother... and if your not afraid and have some basic tools...yourself.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 5:21:34 PM Report

Oh...that's not too bad! I thought they'd be a lot more expensive. Thanks.
right wing 1/6/2013 5:22:20 PM Report

statusquo

Hahaha....and most would never connect your face to the "F_ck off..." type of guy.
...kinda of like meeting a face that belongs to the voice, they almost never match.

skipper dave 1/6/2013 5:30:09 PM Report

Pinky - First time I heard the truth with a capitol "T" was comedian George Carlton and I turned him off and went to the bathroom to hurl knowing in my gut he was right. I had spent so much emotionally trying the other catlick path that when he spoke I hated him!
right wing 1/6/2013 5:42:43 PM Report

...skipper, you heard "the truth?", according to George Carlin.
One of my favorite comedians...which "truth" did he bestow upon thee.
statusquo 1/6/2013 5:43:03 PM Report

Pink and rw...ok...I'll bite....

It frustrates me to listen to people how "God" saved their lives...in our case it's the Biblical God. A Jew that somehow stood by for say...200,000 years of human evolution and decided that only 2000 years ago he should show his face and walk on water....for the remaining 198000 years he stood by watching debauchery, infanticide , pestilence and so on and goes on without lifting a finger. Now he shows up telling me that I was born in sin, that he sees what I think and that I will burn in hell for eternity if I don't follow him...Ok...I get it...fine.
So then, lets say I am a drunk and join AA, declare myself a worthless pawn needing divine intervention and halleluiah I get "saved"......He still does not lift a finger in say the Sudan where women and children are slaughtered on a daily basis.....
If that is the case....and if He truly exists...well then He can go and (censored) Himself!
As for my part, if you truly believe in a God, keep it to yourself and shut up about it and I will do the same.
If it was up to me I would prosecute anyone to the full extent of the law that teaches children before the age of 18 about the true existence of any god as I believe that it is child abuse!.
One need to look no further than Islam or the equally demented nut cases in the Bible belt.
If you believe in a particular God then it follows that any other religion has to be dismissed....that is mighty arrogant. More so than my stand on this issue.
The Judeo- Christian doctrine is a plagiarized version of Babylonian and Egyptian sun worship before these folks even knew about germ theory and nuclear physics. It is hocus -pokus on a grand scale and an utter fraud.
This myth "can" make for better people but it can and has caused a general collective dementia resulting in death and mayhem.
Religion attaches itself like a pilot fish on a shark on a suffering human being in need. It seeks out vulnerabilities and feasts on it, depraving us of our humanity. It is sick and must be ridiculed and taken to task every time it rears its ugly head. I raised my children with this in mind and they turned out honest and compassionate...and believe it or not ...so am I.
mallet 1/6/2013 5:43:08 PM Report

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skipper dave 1/6/2013 5:51:00 PM Report

Plumbing 101 rw and the Rush!
statusquo 1/6/2013 5:51:59 PM Report

mallet..two more to go and we can have a smoke....sick I know....and oral sex is not a transmission for HIV....(smiley face)
shakespeare 1/6/2013 5:56:25 PM Report

status: if you like redranger, you're going to love the lady whose husband won the lottery last week:

"Stanley almost died last year. Now we know that he was supposed to live, so that we could win the lottery!" explained Lottie, who is in her mid-seventies.

A divine force has saved Ace's beloved Blackie, and don't tell me that the hockey lockout ending on the 12th day of Christmas is a coincidence?
right wing 1/6/2013 5:58:45 PM Report

Hahahaha....I was waiting for your rant stausquo.
I have heard that one before.
There you go again...using all of those typical man made stories and fables along with "guy in the sky" complete with a long white beard.

I've read the bible...now go and read all about the bacterial flagellum...it's a good start and we can have a few beer and start talking about Evolution and Darwinism and Creationism, the universe, science, DNA, amino acids,...all the fun interesting stuff and how they just might fit together.
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:08:51 PM Report

Shakes
...what can I say?...."praise the Lord"..

say...what if we are wrong?..have you ever contemplated that?
I know you're a "limey" bastard and don't give much thought to Dante Alighieris's Divine Comedy ....but I really don't want to end up in the "Ninth Ring of Hell"...bad place....very hot and no air conditioning.....

Keep in mind this coming from a guy that has two Oil Changes booked for Monday....

Keep your response within "blackie's intellectual realm....
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 6:12:05 PM Report

Status, that doesn't mean you have the right to put anybody down because they're not like you and have different beliefs than you. I'm honest and compassionate too and so is my son. According to you, I've abused him. According to me, you've denied your children. This can go round and round and round forever. Why not just let it go. You make some pretty crude posts...I bite my tongue (or fingers). Surely you can do the same at times. I'm not going to try and cram anything down your throat...can you do the same? I'm not going to sit here and put down atheists. Why don't you provide the same courtesy to those who believe in (I'll say it quietly) God?
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:12:33 PM Report

rw,

"all the fun interesting stuff and how they just might fit together."

Shut the front door rw!!....man!!...are you telling me Jesus played LEGO?

I recall "somebody" (smart Swiss/Jewish guy) saying God didn't play dice.......
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:14:01 PM Report

You're correct Pink,

I don't have the "right"...but I enjoy doing it!
Gives me an erection.

(winky face)
right wing 1/6/2013 6:14:13 PM Report

stats

Don't worry...there is no "what if you are wrong" and the only "hot place" you will go to is in this life and that is a place of your own choosing....studio ten perhaps?
We will all make the journey, solo, and "the truth" will be known.
right wing 1/6/2013 6:15:26 PM Report

stats...played Lego?...hell he invented it!
flyhawk25 1/6/2013 6:22:21 PM Report

Wow!
PopTheology 101.
Let's all have an Amen to that.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 6:24:42 PM Report

Skipper...wow, you actually threw up from what he said? I understand your contempt for Catholicism...they have their own rules just like all religions. I personally do not equate religion with biblical teachings.
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 6:30:54 PM Report

Ohhh Status! How suave of you. Now I've got a hard on too. Bet mine is bigger than yours!

(wink, wink)
shakespeare 1/6/2013 6:32:19 PM Report

PP " I personally do not equate religion with biblical teachings."

But PP isn't religion inextricably bound up with a belief in God(s) as revealed through teachings from the Bible, Koran etc?
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:35:30 PM Report

theology 101 fly?

You game?

Pink thinks I am "crude"... but so is the Bible and the Quran...from infanticide to sodomy..it's the human condition... then Jesus comes along with an ironing board.."puhleezee"!

Old Testament revisited with semantics!

Dump your sins onto a lamb and walk away from it..."convenient"! as the silver haired Church Lady says......

I say, try to be a decent human being and ditch the Jew..or the illiterate, child molesting Muslim, i.e Muhammad.... both spawned from a desert dwelling clan of sheep herders, devoid of any scientific discoveries and believing that thunder was a God flue symptom.
If you teach this unmitigated crap to underage kids you should go to jail..it sets them up for a life long condition of inadequacy and guilt. Hence the need for AA...or NA...
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:38:10 PM Report

Pink pee,

"Ohhh Status! How suave of you. Now I've got a hard on too. Bet mine is bigger than yours!"

Now you got my attention...naughty "littul" wench you are...

Say...can I buy you a drink?...( drooley face)
Pink Peony 1/6/2013 6:51:38 PM Report

Shakespeare, Religions make rules of their own and will say that those come from the Bible but they often take things out of context from the Bible or some of the rules don't come from there at all. ie. confession (go sit in a booth, confess your sins, some guy on the other side says okie dokie, say your hail mary's, etc.) There is nothing that says that someone else does the forgiving for Jesus or that we should count beads for our sins. There is nothing that even remotely indicates that "we" are to worship Mary either.

mallet 1/6/2013 6:53:28 PM Report

Status...

Two more to go,,, then.... You are of course aware that a chinese gentleman invented the position "69" his name you may ask, was Tu Kan Chu, I do not know if you knew that...
statusquo 1/6/2013 6:57:49 PM Report

mallet,

you're sinking low..."To Kan Chu"?...really?!

God you disgust me!

How "aboots" the reddest one.."Tam Pong"?
statusquo 1/6/2013 7:13:42 PM Report



Mallet
During the Jin dynasty at approximately 11th Century China there was a fellar by the name "lic yu"..his tongue was of enormous proportions..his penchant was well digging.
Can't put enough emphasis on fresh well water...
skipper dave 1/6/2013 7:19:33 PM Report

Status, I love it when you are in your manic stage - You give new meaning to the word "doing my car" or "I've got two of my best men on it". Harkens back to my yute when I was king of the circle jerk. Held that title till a friend of mine came along and apparently he had more skill at imagery like yourself no doubt. He would be finished before we could start - Much like some ex's that have been discussed on this site.
skipper dave 1/6/2013 7:23:11 PM Report

Hey mallet I tried looking up Tu Can Chu on google and all I get is porn sites, what gives?
statusquo 1/6/2013 7:31:44 PM Report

skipper,

Porn sites are great !

Kinda like looking up recipes on "You Tube"...you'll try to emulate the techniques but somehow fall short due to the freshness of the ingredients....
mallet 1/6/2013 7:49:21 PM Report

Status...

Of course we could always get into those old mechanics jokes... like "ball bearing races" Dogs chasing cats, or "Roller bearing races" Dogs chasing cats on roller skates. or the other ones like how many cars can you get into a pair of ladies panties... one mini and several thousand corsairs. I could go on but it's like dredging up my ill spent youth!!!
shakespeare 1/6/2013 7:50:56 PM Report

I was always fascinated by the expression "lickedy split" and had bad thoughts about it. Sorry!
statusquo 1/6/2013 7:57:32 PM Report

Shakes,


The always cunning linguist.
shakespeare 1/6/2013 8:07:45 PM Report

Apropos of nothing, I'd like to tell you how great the last couple of weeks have been. We've had the whole famdamily here and the logistics worked so well. The one daughter with 3 (and another on the way)kids and husband stayed at Searchmont (where we visited and stayed over regularly) have safely returned home today to southern Ontario, and the other daughter flies back west tomorrow.
We have been discussing how much more fulfilling and participatory our relationships have been with our grandchildren than those of our parents with our children.
Oldie Goldie 1/6/2013 8:09:49 PM Report

P.U.C. strikes again---Equipment Failure they say==No money for proper Maintenance but lots of money for Overtime to fix the failures.

Who posted that there was only a few every year ?

A lot of equipment have due dates and a little Preventive Maintenance before that due date could stop a lot of failures---maybe not all of them but most of them could be avoided---but then they would not have enough money left to build their
Palace now would they !
shakespeare 1/6/2013 8:11:33 PM Report

stats: that was quick and good. I usually get "That was quick"
Zing 1/6/2013 8:42:05 PM Report

spoons
debo 1/6/2013 8:51:04 PM Report

No further word on the missing sledders? Hope for the now best possible outcome.
nanag 1/6/2013 9:21:07 PM Report

Statusquo

You never cease to amaze me :) I think I look forward to your posts almost as much as I look forward to Skipper Dave but for very different reasons.

Mechanic... a man with tools(mmm)
Atheist.... and "proud" of it?
Blow up doll... owner/operator
Crude/rude/opinionated..speak whats on your mind..no matter the topic

I have been trying to envision what the "real" Statusquo looks like.

I find I have a very active imagination.. I have mentally attached a body image on just about everybody on here.. some are easier to envision than others

Brianne 1/6/2013 9:27:56 PM Report

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/new-rules-for-ei-recipients-now-in-effect-1.1102933

They are kidding right ?




Nanag.. books and their covers rarely match lol
Sam C 1/6/2013 10:15:56 PM Report

Oldie... drive around town, and you will see the PUC doing preventative maintenance almost daily. And not all equipment waits for its "best before" date to fail.

About 10 years ago the PUC replaced ALL the underground transformers on my street. Replacements like that can prevent catastrophic failures -- ie: transformers blowing up -- but there is so much other equipment involved in both underground and overhead wiring that it would be impossible to replace everything in a "maintenance cycle."

Could they do more? Certainly. But given the extent of the infrastructure they are dealing with, I'm not sure how much more we could reasonably expect.


Wicket 1/6/2013 11:51:53 PM Report

And Stats got it.....the niner..that is.
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