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skipper dave 1/5/2013 6:35:57 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo! Hey Bobby your onto me - writing graffiti on the bathroom walls of the SAH cancer clinic. What a hoot, the walls of le pissoirs are virginal and my identity remains intact. After all they must have tons of bald, 65 year old one-arm guys!
Here's a few samples of my creativity - "for the best phlebotomy poke see nurse george". "If you have the drip make sure to wash after". " For the best drugs in town, free, see your neighbourhood lo cum oncology guy". Of course I leave phone numbers! Shocks the poo out of some of these grey haired little elderly ladies. Fact, just the other day one followed me in the pissoir and when she came out all four foot-five of her walked up and threw a size eleven boot right in the gonads and called me pervert. I said "hey grandma I'm handicapped cause I have an ileostomy" She said you poor dear, what side? I showed her and for the love of Gawd, sweet jesus, she kicks me again this time right in the bag". Maybe this new found career is going to be evaluated a bit or I'm going to start wearing a disguise? Today I'm off to Searchmount with a good book to watch the misses and step kids hurtle themselves down the mountain while I sit by the fireplace with a new book and cancer clinic dietician if your listening I snack on some deep fried tater salad with just a smidge of sea salt and a side dish of Heinz spaghetti sauce in a bottle. you folks have a good day unless of course you have other plans! P.S. if your out there please drop by and say hi. I'll be the one wearing the green knitted watch cap.
Good morning sweet Soo! Hey Bobby your onto me - writing graffiti on the bathroom walls of the SAH cancer clinic. What a hoot, the walls of le pissoirs are virginal and my identity remains intact. After all they must have tons of bald, 65 year old one-arm guys!
Here's a few samples of my creativity - "for the best phlebotomy poke see nurse george". "If you have the drip make sure to wash after". " For the best drugs in town, free, see your neighbourhood lo cum oncology guy". Of course I leave phone numbers! Shocks the poo out of some of these grey haired little elderly ladies. Fact, just the other day one followed me in the pissoir and when she came out all four foot-five of her walked up and threw a size eleven boot right in the gonads and called me pervert. I said "hey grandma I'm handicapped cause I have an ileostomy" She said you poor dear, what side? I showed her and for the love of Gawd, sweet jesus, she kicks me again this time right in the bag". Maybe this new found career is going to be evaluated a bit or I'm going to start wearing a disguise? Today I'm off to Searchmount with a good book to watch the misses and step kids hurtle themselves down the mountain while I sit by the fireplace with a new book and cancer clinic dietician if your listening I snack on some deep fried tater salad with just a smidge of sea salt and a side dish of Heinz spaghetti sauce in a bottle. you folks have a good day unless of course you have other plans! P.S. if your out there please drop by and say hi. I'll be the one wearing the green knitted watch cap.
Mr. Poster 1/5/2013 6:57:21 AM Report
The hospital needs more patients like you, skipper. Enjoy your day amongst the snow capped mountains.If you pee in the snow...make sure to create your initials...in caps.
The hospital needs more patients like you, skipper. Enjoy your day amongst the snow capped mountains.If you pee in the snow...make sure to create your initials...in caps.
nanag 1/5/2013 7:13:26 AM Report
Good Morning Skipper Dave and Mr Poster
Skipper Dave:
I hate getting up on the weekend to go to work and I lay in bed thinking how nice it would be to do the "pillow flip" and sleep a bit longer..but no time for that. I want so badly to hit the snooze button again and again.. then I think ...Okay get up and go see what Skipper Dave has to say this morning.
So thank you yet again.. for your humor, your positive attitude and for your ability TO GET ME OUT OF BED.
Have a great day out at Searchmont
Good Morning Skipper Dave and Mr Poster
Skipper Dave:
I hate getting up on the weekend to go to work and I lay in bed thinking how nice it would be to do the "pillow flip" and sleep a bit longer..but no time for that. I want so badly to hit the snooze button again and again.. then I think ...Okay get up and go see what Skipper Dave has to say this morning.
So thank you yet again.. for your humor, your positive attitude and for your ability TO GET ME OUT OF BED.
Have a great day out at Searchmont
Grump 1/5/2013 7:40:27 AM Report
nanag, Skipper is a great guy and gets you out of bed but maybe you should be checking out a bad one that gets you into bed. LMAO
nanag, Skipper is a great guy and gets you out of bed but maybe you should be checking out a bad one that gets you into bed. LMAO
Jimssm 1/5/2013 8:17:51 AM Report
I love your attitude skipper...it never fails to make lift me up.
Enjoy your day !
I love your attitude skipper...it never fails to make lift me up.
Enjoy your day !
flyhawk25 1/5/2013 8:39:23 AM Report
skipper...funny that you should be so goofy so early.
I just finished praying for you. I figure it's like the chicken soup theory - it can't hurt.
Believe it or not I had a religious experience.I actually heard God's voice. (I know it was God because it sounded exactly like Charlton Heston. I have to validate this stuff before right wing challenges it.)
So The Voice said "Are you fooling with me? That crazy one-armed mad man is doing the crap I sent him to do. That's exactly what I meant when I said to 'make a joyful noise unto me'.
Besides. I've got George Burns up here.He's even funnier than Dave.
I'll let you in on a little secret. And it's no silly miracle like that Red Sea baloney.
I'm going to keep him there for a lot longer. He's got some serious mistakes to pay off.
When his account balance gets paid I'm going to throw open the gates and we are going to party our pants off."
So relax pal.
The boss has your back. But if you start hearing Chuck Heston's voice start packing. In the meantime enjoy the snow and the hills.
skipper...funny that you should be so goofy so early.
I just finished praying for you. I figure it's like the chicken soup theory - it can't hurt.
Believe it or not I had a religious experience.I actually heard God's voice. (I know it was God because it sounded exactly like Charlton Heston. I have to validate this stuff before right wing challenges it.)
So The Voice said "Are you fooling with me? That crazy one-armed mad man is doing the crap I sent him to do. That's exactly what I meant when I said to 'make a joyful noise unto me'.
Besides. I've got George Burns up here.He's even funnier than Dave.
I'll let you in on a little secret. And it's no silly miracle like that Red Sea baloney.
I'm going to keep him there for a lot longer. He's got some serious mistakes to pay off.
When his account balance gets paid I'm going to throw open the gates and we are going to party our pants off."
So relax pal.
The boss has your back. But if you start hearing Chuck Heston's voice start packing. In the meantime enjoy the snow and the hills.
TFinn 1/5/2013 9:45:34 AM Report
I don’t often use Sootoday as once I did. The reasons are of many, but the main reasons are the comments from SOME posters that are quite unintelligent and solely based on the need to have a response yet from some other unintelligent poster. The other reason is the censorship that Sootoday applies to sensitive topics after they themselves have opened the preverbal can of worms. After all it is a forum for comments is it not ?? Yes, I agree to have a watchdog to insure the comments are civil and do exercise control, but to censor a complete topic that they have posted for all to see, I believe is not proper. There is such a thing called freedom of speech, as long it is based on comments without personal attacks, and are not in a defamatory nature and do exercise some sort of rapport. There will always be situations where people agree or disagree, that has always been the human way, and we should have that right to do so. Sootoday is only the medium here, and with disclaimers they have in force, can not be held responsible of the words posted on this site. In closing, all people should have the right to be able to express their views as long as certain rules are observed as I had mentioned in this post. I do enjoy the posts as a whole, that being said, everyone have a grand and safe day and remember to have your brain in gear before you allow your fingers to operate .!
I don’t often use Sootoday as once I did. The reasons are of many, but the main reasons are the comments from SOME posters that are quite unintelligent and solely based on the need to have a response yet from some other unintelligent poster. The other reason is the censorship that Sootoday applies to sensitive topics after they themselves have opened the preverbal can of worms. After all it is a forum for comments is it not ?? Yes, I agree to have a watchdog to insure the comments are civil and do exercise control, but to censor a complete topic that they have posted for all to see, I believe is not proper. There is such a thing called freedom of speech, as long it is based on comments without personal attacks, and are not in a defamatory nature and do exercise some sort of rapport. There will always be situations where people agree or disagree, that has always been the human way, and we should have that right to do so. Sootoday is only the medium here, and with disclaimers they have in force, can not be held responsible of the words posted on this site. In closing, all people should have the right to be able to express their views as long as certain rules are observed as I had mentioned in this post. I do enjoy the posts as a whole, that being said, everyone have a grand and safe day and remember to have your brain in gear before you allow your fingers to operate .!
Wisenheimer 1/5/2013 9:55:36 AM Report
The Bureau of Labour Statistics (BLS) says job search and hirings increase as unemployment benefits run out. Aboriginal protests stop when governments provide them with more money. Teachers stop using students as pawns, when they are given 12 weeks off and can use PD days to fly to Jamaica. "Just the facts ma'am."
The Bureau of Labour Statistics (BLS) says job search and hirings increase as unemployment benefits run out. Aboriginal protests stop when governments provide them with more money. Teachers stop using students as pawns, when they are given 12 weeks off and can use PD days to fly to Jamaica. "Just the facts ma'am."
statusquo 1/5/2013 10:43:44 AM Report
Good for you skipper,
While your gang is sliding down the mountain at Searchmont, may I suggest you go to the trading post and try some of the home baking....a gazillion calories but really good.
I enjoy reading your straight talk sans
dubious meaning. A refreshing lack of
phrases that "grind my gears" and should be banned....i.e,
"going forward...."
true meaning, "forget the shit from yesterday"
"at the end of the day...."
true meaning, " we've accomplished less than squat"
"this a valid question..."...
true meaning,
"you're an idiot but I am going to exlain it to you one more time"
"win win situation...."
true meaning , " somebody is going to get (censored)
"I appreciate your concern, but...." true meaning, "I don't give a (censored)"
"I am sorry you feel this way..." true meaning (see above)
"Good effort, but try a little harder next time..."
true meaning..."you suck!"
Good for you skipper,
While your gang is sliding down the mountain at Searchmont, may I suggest you go to the trading post and try some of the home baking....a gazillion calories but really good.
I enjoy reading your straight talk sans
dubious meaning. A refreshing lack of
phrases that "grind my gears" and should be banned....i.e,
"going forward...."
true meaning, "forget the shit from yesterday"
"at the end of the day...."
true meaning, " we've accomplished less than squat"
"this a valid question..."...
true meaning,
"you're an idiot but I am going to exlain it to you one more time"
"win win situation...."
true meaning , " somebody is going to get (censored)
"I appreciate your concern, but...." true meaning, "I don't give a (censored)"
"I am sorry you feel this way..." true meaning (see above)
"Good effort, but try a little harder next time..."
true meaning..."you suck!"
Brianne 1/5/2013 12:03:39 PM Report
A Summary of Current Federal Legislative Amendments Affecting First Nations
http://www.oktlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/legamend.pdf
A Summary of Current Federal Legislative Amendments Affecting First Nations
http://www.oktlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/legamend.pdf
Big Bad Bob 1/5/2013 12:09:39 PM Report
Although, like most others, I’m a firm believer in freedom of speech in principle, I am prepared to accept an editorial rider when it comes to posting on this site. To wit, none of us readers pay any subscription or membership fees for the right to post here. Meanwhile, the owners and editors of this site as such have particular responsibilities for anything that appears here which we don’t. One example of what I mean is respect for copyright, for which I was “censored “ once without bitching, and there are doubtlessly many others of which I am not necessarily aware. Until this site begins to charge me for the privilege of using it, I will therefore respect the decisions of the owners and editors concerning what goes in and what stays out, whether or not I agree with such decisions in every case.
Although, like most others, I’m a firm believer in freedom of speech in principle, I am prepared to accept an editorial rider when it comes to posting on this site. To wit, none of us readers pay any subscription or membership fees for the right to post here. Meanwhile, the owners and editors of this site as such have particular responsibilities for anything that appears here which we don’t. One example of what I mean is respect for copyright, for which I was “censored “ once without bitching, and there are doubtlessly many others of which I am not necessarily aware. Until this site begins to charge me for the privilege of using it, I will therefore respect the decisions of the owners and editors concerning what goes in and what stays out, whether or not I agree with such decisions in every case.
Grump 1/5/2013 12:26:28 PM Report
BBB good point ,if it's free then the provider should call the shots. I know it's a sore point with many and myself when those revieving a free ride do so much bitching and whining.
BBB good point ,if it's free then the provider should call the shots. I know it's a sore point with many and myself when those revieving a free ride do so much bitching and whining.
Left Winger 1/5/2013 12:38:58 PM Report
Grumpy
you obviously have no clue what the FN's people gave up to get the so called free ride that you like to think is the reality when the truth is very much different.
would you please educate yourself before making such statements as it only reflects how uneducated you truly are.
a link has been posted on here before that backs up the claim that they do not receive "your" hard earned taxes yet you continually go on about your preconceived idea that they do. so either you have limited reading skills or you are too hard headed to get the point.
Grumpy
you obviously have no clue what the FN's people gave up to get the so called free ride that you like to think is the reality when the truth is very much different.
would you please educate yourself before making such statements as it only reflects how uneducated you truly are.
a link has been posted on here before that backs up the claim that they do not receive "your" hard earned taxes yet you continually go on about your preconceived idea that they do. so either you have limited reading skills or you are too hard headed to get the point.
BIG BROTHER 1/5/2013 1:00:49 PM Report
Left Winger,
Don't be too hard on Grump. It is a syndrome....hear something enough times and eventually it sticks. We (society) fall victim to this phenomenon all too easily and politicians use it to their advantage regularly. Soon enough, you/we catch yourself/ourself spewing the same lies or mis-truths.
Left Winger,
Don't be too hard on Grump. It is a syndrome....hear something enough times and eventually it sticks. We (society) fall victim to this phenomenon all too easily and politicians use it to their advantage regularly. Soon enough, you/we catch yourself/ourself spewing the same lies or mis-truths.
Brianne 1/5/2013 1:27:03 PM Report
"Any changes to the treaties requires the consent of the two parties to the treaties, who are the Indian Governments representing Indian Nations and the Crown, represented by the British Government. The Canadian Government is only a 3rd party and cannot initiate any changes."
http://tinyurl.com/bhebm62
"Any changes to the treaties requires the consent of the two parties to the treaties, who are the Indian Governments representing Indian Nations and the Crown, represented by the British Government. The Canadian Government is only a 3rd party and cannot initiate any changes."
http://tinyurl.com/bhebm62
flyhawk25 1/5/2013 1:28:36 PM Report
I've given the issue of the FN dilemma some thought. I haven't commented much because I don't understand the complexity of it.
However.
It is ironic that this is the 150th anniversary of President Lincoln signing the Emancipation Proclamation.
It is also the 100th anniversary of the law in the US changing to let women vote.
Change takes time. It takes time for ideas to become reality and when 'the tide of time' begins we look back years later and wonder how humanity could be so foolish to not see some 'truths to be self evident'.
So the question I would pose is - do we believe all people to be equal?
Or was Orwell prophetic when he wrote 'some are more equal than others'?
I've given the issue of the FN dilemma some thought. I haven't commented much because I don't understand the complexity of it.
However.
It is ironic that this is the 150th anniversary of President Lincoln signing the Emancipation Proclamation.
It is also the 100th anniversary of the law in the US changing to let women vote.
Change takes time. It takes time for ideas to become reality and when 'the tide of time' begins we look back years later and wonder how humanity could be so foolish to not see some 'truths to be self evident'.
So the question I would pose is - do we believe all people to be equal?
Or was Orwell prophetic when he wrote 'some are more equal than others'?
Grump 1/5/2013 1:51:07 PM Report
Left Winger and Big Brother ,suppose you two genius' explain to me just who provided the millions to Attawapiskat for all the infastructure and the free housing and free housing and free housing again, Also could you explain why a band of 1500 (probably far less) needs 3 paid chiefs ,16 paid councillors and the same no of paid school board members when they spent the school money on a new Zamboni. You fellows also wouldn't mind explaining to me where that money comes from. Next could you explain that with all that paid supervision why they can't have decent housing on their own when their average income is 98,000.00 dollars per year for every man ,woman and child listed in that band. Yes there were injustices but I fail to see why Canadian taxpayers should support this kind of extortion forever. I further agree that Canada should settle all the land claims fairly, get rid of Indian Affairs, turn over the Reserve land to the Natives and then let them get on with their lives. They might as well settle this now as it is only going to escalate until a binding deal is hammered out. Now I await our heroes informed responses.
Left Winger and Big Brother ,suppose you two genius' explain to me just who provided the millions to Attawapiskat for all the infastructure and the free housing and free housing and free housing again, Also could you explain why a band of 1500 (probably far less) needs 3 paid chiefs ,16 paid councillors and the same no of paid school board members when they spent the school money on a new Zamboni. You fellows also wouldn't mind explaining to me where that money comes from. Next could you explain that with all that paid supervision why they can't have decent housing on their own when their average income is 98,000.00 dollars per year for every man ,woman and child listed in that band. Yes there were injustices but I fail to see why Canadian taxpayers should support this kind of extortion forever. I further agree that Canada should settle all the land claims fairly, get rid of Indian Affairs, turn over the Reserve land to the Natives and then let them get on with their lives. They might as well settle this now as it is only going to escalate until a binding deal is hammered out. Now I await our heroes informed responses.
Grump 1/5/2013 2:04:18 PM Report
Fly I agree with your take on the US bringing on individual rights when as you said it became self evident. It was also self evident to US lawmakers to not only create reserves but to basically also untether them from being in a welfare state. Different parts of the World move at different paces. Saudi Arabia did not officially ban slavery until 1949. It is Canada's time to free our First Nations from being a welfare state and become their own people, or Canadians of possibly some combination of both. That said lets not waste time on sink holes like Attawapiskat but deal with the real issues.
Fly I agree with your take on the US bringing on individual rights when as you said it became self evident. It was also self evident to US lawmakers to not only create reserves but to basically also untether them from being in a welfare state. Different parts of the World move at different paces. Saudi Arabia did not officially ban slavery until 1949. It is Canada's time to free our First Nations from being a welfare state and become their own people, or Canadians of possibly some combination of both. That said lets not waste time on sink holes like Attawapiskat but deal with the real issues.
Brianne 1/5/2013 2:05:37 PM Report
I too agree that changes are needed to be met, and a fair understanding for all. The treaties need to be honoured , and/or changed to the betterment of all.
Truths need to come out and taken care of....... I think that's all they've asked for...... not 100% on that, but it appears to be what is wanted.
As far as Chiefs misappropriating monies.... that will all come out in the end once proven either way. On the other hand "our elected officials" have done far worse with our tax dollars than possibly some band Chief...... So why would we point the finger at one demographic ?
Maybe now that "idle no more" has garnered worldwide attention.... the issues will finally get resolved, everyone taken care of, and peace and harmony can take place amongst all Canadians.
Canada is not looking good at this time to the world, and it's a shame..... one that will take time for the world to feel about Canada as they once did.
I too agree that changes are needed to be met, and a fair understanding for all. The treaties need to be honoured , and/or changed to the betterment of all.
Truths need to come out and taken care of....... I think that's all they've asked for...... not 100% on that, but it appears to be what is wanted.
As far as Chiefs misappropriating monies.... that will all come out in the end once proven either way. On the other hand "our elected officials" have done far worse with our tax dollars than possibly some band Chief...... So why would we point the finger at one demographic ?
Maybe now that "idle no more" has garnered worldwide attention.... the issues will finally get resolved, everyone taken care of, and peace and harmony can take place amongst all Canadians.
Canada is not looking good at this time to the world, and it's a shame..... one that will take time for the world to feel about Canada as they once did.
bounder 1/5/2013 2:14:41 PM Report
Canada .
Has moved to in the top 10 best places to live now we're 9..Usa was No 1 in 1988 now is tied with Germany at 16th place.That said I think we're doing pretty good.
Canada .
Has moved to in the top 10 best places to live now we're 9..Usa was No 1 in 1988 now is tied with Germany at 16th place.That said I think we're doing pretty good.
mallet 1/5/2013 2:24:53 PM Report
Skipper Dave...
As for your washroom humour, do not forget that favourite one from the door of the Urologist... "Thank you for not coming".. Always wanted to put that on the door of Dr Ma****, when I have visited him for kidney stones. There would be a lot more one child families if us guys knew how painful childbirth can be....
Skipper Dave...
As for your washroom humour, do not forget that favourite one from the door of the Urologist... "Thank you for not coming".. Always wanted to put that on the door of Dr Ma****, when I have visited him for kidney stones. There would be a lot more one child families if us guys knew how painful childbirth can be....
Grump 1/5/2013 2:25:43 PM Report
First Nations are a tough subject for many. If you want 90% of the answers to most of the reserves Google the Osoyoos Band and their Chief Clarence Louis. By doing away with nepotism and make work projects on his reserve he has turned a lemon into a sucessfull business venture that employs all his members and members from quite a few close by reserves. He is doing joint ventures with non First Nation firms. If more Chiefs emulated him instead of Chief Spence we would all be better off.
First Nations are a tough subject for many. If you want 90% of the answers to most of the reserves Google the Osoyoos Band and their Chief Clarence Louis. By doing away with nepotism and make work projects on his reserve he has turned a lemon into a sucessfull business venture that employs all his members and members from quite a few close by reserves. He is doing joint ventures with non First Nation firms. If more Chiefs emulated him instead of Chief Spence we would all be better off.
bounder 1/5/2013 2:25:56 PM Report
Brianne.
What about FN that do not have a treaty with British Crown,federal government and are all first nations under treaties..This could be a trick question.
Brianne.
What about FN that do not have a treaty with British Crown,federal government and are all first nations under treaties..This could be a trick question.
Brianne 1/5/2013 3:06:26 PM Report
Treaties have been negotiated in Canada between First Nations and the Crown in both the pre and post Confederation eras. Pre-Confederation Treaties include the Peace and Friendship Treaties on the East Coast, the Treaty of Swegatchy (Southern Quebec), the Murray Treaty of 1760 (Quebec), the Upper Canada Treaties (Southern Ontario), the Robinson Treaties (Ontario), the Douglas Treaties of Vancouver Island, the Selkirk Treaty (Manitoba) and the Manitoulin Island Treaties (Ontario).
The first post-1867 Treaty was Treaty 1, which was concluded on August 3, 1871 at the Hudson’s Bay Company post, Lower Fort Garry. Treaty 2 was signed on August 21, 1871 at the Manitoba House Post and Treaty 3, or the North-West Angle Treaty, was concluded on October 3, 1873, near the Lake of the Woods. The first of the Treaties in present-day Saskatchewan was Treaty 4, concluded on September 14, 1875 at the Qu’Appelle Lakes. The rest of the Numbered Treaties were concluded between 1876, when Treaty 6 was negotiated, and 1921, when Treaty 11 was concluded.
Treaties have also been signed in the modern era, with the negotiation of the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement in 1975 and most recently, the Nisga’a Treaty, which was concluded in 1999.
Treaties have been negotiated in Canada between First Nations and the Crown in both the pre and post Confederation eras. Pre-Confederation Treaties include the Peace and Friendship Treaties on the East Coast, the Treaty of Swegatchy (Southern Quebec), the Murray Treaty of 1760 (Quebec), the Upper Canada Treaties (Southern Ontario), the Robinson Treaties (Ontario), the Douglas Treaties of Vancouver Island, the Selkirk Treaty (Manitoba) and the Manitoulin Island Treaties (Ontario).
The first post-1867 Treaty was Treaty 1, which was concluded on August 3, 1871 at the Hudson’s Bay Company post, Lower Fort Garry. Treaty 2 was signed on August 21, 1871 at the Manitoba House Post and Treaty 3, or the North-West Angle Treaty, was concluded on October 3, 1873, near the Lake of the Woods. The first of the Treaties in present-day Saskatchewan was Treaty 4, concluded on September 14, 1875 at the Qu’Appelle Lakes. The rest of the Numbered Treaties were concluded between 1876, when Treaty 6 was negotiated, and 1921, when Treaty 11 was concluded.
Treaties have also been signed in the modern era, with the negotiation of the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement in 1975 and most recently, the Nisga’a Treaty, which was concluded in 1999.
Brianne 1/5/2013 3:08:03 PM Report
http://intercontinentalcry.org/harper-launches-major-first-nations-termination-plan-as-negotiating-tables-legitimize-canadas-colonialism/
http://intercontinentalcry.org/harper-launches-major-first-nations-termination-plan-as-negotiating-tables-legitimize-canadas-colonialism/
Left Winger 1/5/2013 3:10:51 PM Report
Grumpy get off your lazy a## and find the info for yourself instead of repeating info from the misinformed.
Perhaps you and your chum steely could work together on finding the info thereby educating each at the same time.
You both repeat the same bs that is spoon fed to you by the government.
Can you say Divide and conquer?
Are you that much of a sheep or lemming to go along with info being spewed by those that are benefitting the most from this fiasco?
I agree that there needs to be more transparency as far as Chief Spence goes but you seem to like to paint all the Chiefs with the same brush - must be a lot easier for you then actually looking for the truth yourself. But wait you did find some info for a FN that is successful in their endeavours perhaps there is hope after all.
Grumpy get off your lazy a## and find the info for yourself instead of repeating info from the misinformed.
Perhaps you and your chum steely could work together on finding the info thereby educating each at the same time.
You both repeat the same bs that is spoon fed to you by the government.
Can you say Divide and conquer?
Are you that much of a sheep or lemming to go along with info being spewed by those that are benefitting the most from this fiasco?
I agree that there needs to be more transparency as far as Chief Spence goes but you seem to like to paint all the Chiefs with the same brush - must be a lot easier for you then actually looking for the truth yourself. But wait you did find some info for a FN that is successful in their endeavours perhaps there is hope after all.
BIG BROTHER 1/5/2013 3:18:02 PM Report
Grump,
Take a pill!!
The money the Natives receive is far from 'free' money. If you're a landlord and the tenants pay you money....then that's free money, according to your narrow take. The Natives are only getting money that is channeled through the government. The government collects the rent on behalf of the natives (as an agent for the Natives) and channels that money to the Natives. The propaganda machines call it free money.
And, if I didn't know better, I'd think you're being sarcastic!!
Grump,
Take a pill!!
The money the Natives receive is far from 'free' money. If you're a landlord and the tenants pay you money....then that's free money, according to your narrow take. The Natives are only getting money that is channeled through the government. The government collects the rent on behalf of the natives (as an agent for the Natives) and channels that money to the Natives. The propaganda machines call it free money.
And, if I didn't know better, I'd think you're being sarcastic!!
Brianne 1/5/2013 3:19:17 PM Report
First Nations are all indigenous people and are all covered under the treaties.
First Nations are all indigenous people and are all covered under the treaties.
bounder 1/5/2013 3:22:55 PM Report
Hey Brianne I di'nt call you any names,I just wanted an awnswer.Have a nice.
Hey Brianne I di'nt call you any names,I just wanted an awnswer.Have a nice.
Brianne 1/5/2013 3:26:53 PM Report
Oh give it up bounder......... why are you always trying to play games with me........it doesn't work. Now you're trying to make me feel bad for something YOU started ? * rolling eyes*
Why not just be upfront and honest ?
Oh give it up bounder......... why are you always trying to play games with me........it doesn't work. Now you're trying to make me feel bad for something YOU started ? * rolling eyes*
Why not just be upfront and honest ?
Brianne 1/5/2013 3:28:37 PM Report
And yes, " the trick question" was the fact that you said it might be a trick question. >)
And yes, " the trick question" was the fact that you said it might be a trick question. >)
Grump 1/5/2013 4:01:02 PM Report
Hey boys if you want to keep posting crap that shows how little you know and want to know so be it. I reread some of the Clarence Louie articles and was pleasantly surprised that there is mention of four or five other Chiefs following the same pattern of self sufficiency. The closest Reserve to here is Sagamok, just this side of Sudbury. The main thing that they all do is being open and accountable to their people. That by the way is a far cry from what Spence stands for. BB I agree that the Government
has responsabilities to the First Nations but I find it hard to believe that responsability extends to the crap going on in Attawapiskat and others where the Chief is paying himself 600,000. per year. Some of you may want to read Mac Headricks article on this. His take was for the most part that the Governments past and present have done little to nothing to resolve these issues other than throwing more money at it. The chiefs have learned to make a fuss, get more money.
Hey boys if you want to keep posting crap that shows how little you know and want to know so be it. I reread some of the Clarence Louie articles and was pleasantly surprised that there is mention of four or five other Chiefs following the same pattern of self sufficiency. The closest Reserve to here is Sagamok, just this side of Sudbury. The main thing that they all do is being open and accountable to their people. That by the way is a far cry from what Spence stands for. BB I agree that the Government
has responsabilities to the First Nations but I find it hard to believe that responsability extends to the crap going on in Attawapiskat and others where the Chief is paying himself 600,000. per year. Some of you may want to read Mac Headricks article on this. His take was for the most part that the Governments past and present have done little to nothing to resolve these issues other than throwing more money at it. The chiefs have learned to make a fuss, get more money.
Left Winger 1/5/2013 4:17:51 PM Report
Grumpy
in case you missed it....
"Carol Martin 1/5/2013 11:37:41 AM Report
Comments questioning how our neighbours spend their money will be deleted because they perpetuate a racist myth that Anishinaabe and other First Nations citizens are supported by Canadian's tax dollars and Canadians are owed some explanation of how their money is being spent.
First Nations are sovereign nations. The transfer payments made to them are part of our obligations under treaties. Their governments are beholding to no one but their own citizens for the way they spend their money.
Canadians have no more right to ask how our neighbours in the Cree, Ojibway or other nations spend their money than we do to ask where the United States spends its money and, even if the majority of us believe the softwood lumber tariffs (for example) imposed on us by our American neighbours under one of the treaties we have with them are unfair we still have to pay them, just as we have to pay for the things our forefathers agreed to when the treaties were negotiated with our Cree, Ojibway, Iroquois and other neighbour nations.
We have a right to complain if we think a treaty is unfair but, to suggest that the nations we made that treaty with are accountable to our scrutiny is racist"
Hope this helps to clarify things for you.
Grumpy
in case you missed it....
"Carol Martin 1/5/2013 11:37:41 AM Report
Comments questioning how our neighbours spend their money will be deleted because they perpetuate a racist myth that Anishinaabe and other First Nations citizens are supported by Canadian's tax dollars and Canadians are owed some explanation of how their money is being spent.
First Nations are sovereign nations. The transfer payments made to them are part of our obligations under treaties. Their governments are beholding to no one but their own citizens for the way they spend their money.
Canadians have no more right to ask how our neighbours in the Cree, Ojibway or other nations spend their money than we do to ask where the United States spends its money and, even if the majority of us believe the softwood lumber tariffs (for example) imposed on us by our American neighbours under one of the treaties we have with them are unfair we still have to pay them, just as we have to pay for the things our forefathers agreed to when the treaties were negotiated with our Cree, Ojibway, Iroquois and other neighbour nations.
We have a right to complain if we think a treaty is unfair but, to suggest that the nations we made that treaty with are accountable to our scrutiny is racist"
Hope this helps to clarify things for you.
BIG BROTHER 1/5/2013 5:20:00 PM Report
Once again Grump, I don't fault you for perpetuating the belief that the Natives are given 'free' money. Fact is, they haven't received near what they are owed according to the Treaties.
Now you and I didn't sign those treaties and we may not like them, but the Canadian government did. And the last I heard, we were still under the umbrella of the Canadian government. And so are the Natives and so are the Treaties. And there is still plenty left over for our politicians to figure out how to P away on their 'pie in the sky' ideas. Oh, we hold them accountable, but we vote them out and vote in their 'stepbrothers'. All of the same church, just a different pew.
That is why I think it is 'none of our business' how the Natives spend their money. It would be wise of us to advise the Natives to invest their money in infrastructure that is sustainable. ie. hydro-electric power plants that generate cash flow perpetually and replaces the lost hunting grounds.
Once again Grump, I don't fault you for perpetuating the belief that the Natives are given 'free' money. Fact is, they haven't received near what they are owed according to the Treaties.
Now you and I didn't sign those treaties and we may not like them, but the Canadian government did. And the last I heard, we were still under the umbrella of the Canadian government. And so are the Natives and so are the Treaties. And there is still plenty left over for our politicians to figure out how to P away on their 'pie in the sky' ideas. Oh, we hold them accountable, but we vote them out and vote in their 'stepbrothers'. All of the same church, just a different pew.
That is why I think it is 'none of our business' how the Natives spend their money. It would be wise of us to advise the Natives to invest their money in infrastructure that is sustainable. ie. hydro-electric power plants that generate cash flow perpetually and replaces the lost hunting grounds.
BIG BROTHER 1/5/2013 6:08:43 PM Report
The discussion, bickering and general malaise over the 'Idle No More' protest and Chief Spence's Hunger Strike has produced some very solid results. One can sense the feeling that information is slowly sinking in to people. Like finding out there is no Santa Claus. It takes hold very slowly and is then replaced with a belief that there really is a Santa Claus, but not the one we were told about at a very early age.
As open ended as the treaties seem to be, keep in mind, the Natives didn't write them. Our government did. The Natives could barely read them and didn't have Wall Street lawyers standing beside them when they signed them. They were written in the Queen's finest English of the day. And most of us who can read still have a hard time understanding them. But they were open ended; meaning, no conclusions offered. No official end date.
The discussion, bickering and general malaise over the 'Idle No More' protest and Chief Spence's Hunger Strike has produced some very solid results. One can sense the feeling that information is slowly sinking in to people. Like finding out there is no Santa Claus. It takes hold very slowly and is then replaced with a belief that there really is a Santa Claus, but not the one we were told about at a very early age.
As open ended as the treaties seem to be, keep in mind, the Natives didn't write them. Our government did. The Natives could barely read them and didn't have Wall Street lawyers standing beside them when they signed them. They were written in the Queen's finest English of the day. And most of us who can read still have a hard time understanding them. But they were open ended; meaning, no conclusions offered. No official end date.
goldie 1/5/2013 7:12:14 PM Report
EI is an insurance that everyone pays into and if given the chance I would use it to the max.
EI is an insurance that everyone pays into and if given the chance I would use it to the max.
Nunavut 1/5/2013 7:17:39 PM Report
It seems many here from the native point of view want us white folks to get more educated about treaties, but they want us to assume that their version of the treaties wording is correct. Meanwhile many Canadians like me are researching , by going to First Nation websites and Government websites and seeing that the treaties like treaty number nine and the Robinson treaty has the natives completely ceding (selling) their respective tribe land rights to the crown, and only keeping the right to fish and hunt on the traditional former lands , they also back then got to pick where they wanted their reserves located and that those lands were exclusive to them. The treaties also had them promise not to impede the crown or private owners on the use of the land they ceded. So all this talk about " still their land we are using" is completely wrong and quite frankly I think the native chiefs and lawyers are misinforming their people, they are not sovereign nations even, ( they ceded that too) but the Canadian goverment does it best to respects them as peoples the way the treaties agreed to. So maybe the natives would do best to get their own better education about treaties, because their leaders are lying to them, and also abusing them by not being transparent about where the money is going. We can all get along when the truth becomes clear.
It seems many here from the native point of view want us white folks to get more educated about treaties, but they want us to assume that their version of the treaties wording is correct. Meanwhile many Canadians like me are researching , by going to First Nation websites and Government websites and seeing that the treaties like treaty number nine and the Robinson treaty has the natives completely ceding (selling) their respective tribe land rights to the crown, and only keeping the right to fish and hunt on the traditional former lands , they also back then got to pick where they wanted their reserves located and that those lands were exclusive to them. The treaties also had them promise not to impede the crown or private owners on the use of the land they ceded. So all this talk about " still their land we are using" is completely wrong and quite frankly I think the native chiefs and lawyers are misinforming their people, they are not sovereign nations even, ( they ceded that too) but the Canadian goverment does it best to respects them as peoples the way the treaties agreed to. So maybe the natives would do best to get their own better education about treaties, because their leaders are lying to them, and also abusing them by not being transparent about where the money is going. We can all get along when the truth becomes clear.
flyhawk25 1/5/2013 8:06:36 PM Report
Nunavut...you are well named.
You don't get none of it.
I hope that you aren't a lawyer or we are all in a world of trouble.
Nunavut...you are well named.
You don't get none of it.
I hope that you aren't a lawyer or we are all in a world of trouble.
Grump 1/5/2013 8:31:37 PM Report
Clarence Louie told his fellow First Nation Chiefs that they should forget this 100 year old crap and get to work on the Reserves taking care of business. He told them the Queen is not going to take care of them forever. He also told them that business is foremost in the White man's mind and it better become number one in the First Nations minds. That article was I think several years old by now and the Band developement Corp. had a net profit of 20,000,000.00 for that year and that they had been sucessfull on a bid to build a 250 million dollar prison on Reserve land for the B.C. Government and then to maintain and operate it, opening in 2017.
Clarence Louie told his fellow First Nation Chiefs that they should forget this 100 year old crap and get to work on the Reserves taking care of business. He told them the Queen is not going to take care of them forever. He also told them that business is foremost in the White man's mind and it better become number one in the First Nations minds. That article was I think several years old by now and the Band developement Corp. had a net profit of 20,000,000.00 for that year and that they had been sucessfull on a bid to build a 250 million dollar prison on Reserve land for the B.C. Government and then to maintain and operate it, opening in 2017.
mallet 1/5/2013 10:34:33 PM Report
Flyhawk25..
I was going to answer this earlier, however I did not want to get caught up in the F N debate. That is definitely a no win proposition.
You remarked on the Orwell saying about everyone being equal but some being more equal than others. Would you not say that as far as financial rewards go that Teachers are more equal than shop assistants? And is that not the measurement of ones success today? Does there not have to be someone in charge and are they not therefore more equal? Does not every child have an equal oppotunity to learn? but are not some more adept than others?
I do not think that it matters what colour, creed or religion a person belongs too, some will succeed more than others, some will be left behind through no fault of their own and will make the best of life for themselves, while others will not and bemoan the fact that they should have what others have worked and strived for.... Should you feel that that is unfair then I guess we have to differ...
Flyhawk25..
I was going to answer this earlier, however I did not want to get caught up in the F N debate. That is definitely a no win proposition.
You remarked on the Orwell saying about everyone being equal but some being more equal than others. Would you not say that as far as financial rewards go that Teachers are more equal than shop assistants? And is that not the measurement of ones success today? Does there not have to be someone in charge and are they not therefore more equal? Does not every child have an equal oppotunity to learn? but are not some more adept than others?
I do not think that it matters what colour, creed or religion a person belongs too, some will succeed more than others, some will be left behind through no fault of their own and will make the best of life for themselves, while others will not and bemoan the fact that they should have what others have worked and strived for.... Should you feel that that is unfair then I guess we have to differ...
sparks7 1/6/2013 12:23:59 AM Report
Will the "Red Winter" have legs,or will it fizzle like "Occupy"?Flip a freakin coin as far as I can see.Watching the latest news though is scary.Spelly,never mind the impending economic collapse.I am stocking up on bucksaw blades and candles before the natives put the lights out.
Will the "Red Winter" have legs,or will it fizzle like "Occupy"?Flip a freakin coin as far as I can see.Watching the latest news though is scary.Spelly,never mind the impending economic collapse.I am stocking up on bucksaw blades and candles before the natives put the lights out.
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