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Grump 1/3/2013 6:10:38 AM Report
Good morning all, sure starting to look and feel like winter to me. Have a great day everyone.
Good morning all, sure starting to look and feel like winter to me. Have a great day everyone.
AceOfBass 1/3/2013 7:25:29 AM Report
Treaty 9 and Huron Robinson Treaty
Excerpt from these treaties
The Ojibway,Cree and other chiefs and headmen on their own behalf of all Indians whom they represent,do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strict observe this treaty,and also to conduct themselves as good loyal subjects of His Majesty the King.
They promise and engage that they will in all respects ,obey and abide by the law;that they will maintain peace between each other and between themselves and others of His majesty's subjects,whether Indians,half-breeds or whites,this year inhabiting and here after to inhabit part of said ceded territory; and they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tract,or any other district or country,or interfere with any or trouble any person passing or traveling through said tract,or any part thereof, and that they will assist the officers of his Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty,or infringing the law in force in the country so ceded.
Treaty 9 and Huron Robinson Treaty
Excerpt from these treaties
The Ojibway,Cree and other chiefs and headmen on their own behalf of all Indians whom they represent,do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strict observe this treaty,and also to conduct themselves as good loyal subjects of His Majesty the King.
They promise and engage that they will in all respects ,obey and abide by the law;that they will maintain peace between each other and between themselves and others of His majesty's subjects,whether Indians,half-breeds or whites,this year inhabiting and here after to inhabit part of said ceded territory; and they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tract,or any other district or country,or interfere with any or trouble any person passing or traveling through said tract,or any part thereof, and that they will assist the officers of his Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty,or infringing the law in force in the country so ceded.
Grace 1/3/2013 7:27:15 AM Report
RW and Fly...this one is for you two!
John Boehner allegedly curses Harry Reid, drops F-bomb over ...
http://www.startribune.com/politics/185457722.html?refer=y
RW and Fly...this one is for you two!
John Boehner allegedly curses Harry Reid, drops F-bomb over ...
http://www.startribune.com/politics/185457722.html?refer=y
Grace 1/3/2013 7:29:54 AM Report
Ace..Treaty is void. There is no king.
Old outdated document has no validity!
Ace..Treaty is void. There is no king.
Old outdated document has no validity!
Grump 1/3/2013 7:35:09 AM Report
I wonder where Steve's heavy hand of the law (as with the G8 and G20) is when it comes to dealing with our First Nations brothers?
I wonder where Steve's heavy hand of the law (as with the G8 and G20) is when it comes to dealing with our First Nations brothers?
Grump 1/3/2013 7:38:09 AM Report
Grace how can that be when one of their major complaints is that Harper is infringing on their treaty rights? Then again it seems that they can talk out of both sides of their mouths.
Grace how can that be when one of their major complaints is that Harper is infringing on their treaty rights? Then again it seems that they can talk out of both sides of their mouths.
statusquo 1/3/2013 7:42:59 AM Report
..oh, and Ace, PC is for political correctness....just in case your reading comprehension skills fail you .
..oh, and Ace, PC is for political correctness....just in case your reading comprehension skills fail you .
nanag 1/3/2013 7:44:43 AM Report
R.I.P.
Patti Page has passed away.. how sad she was a beautiful woman and had a wonderful voice. I always sing her hit song "The Tennessee Waltz" when I am taking a shower.
I guess some of you kids are too young to appreciate her music :(
R.I.P.
Patti Page has passed away.. how sad she was a beautiful woman and had a wonderful voice. I always sing her hit song "The Tennessee Waltz" when I am taking a shower.
I guess some of you kids are too young to appreciate her music :(
flyhawk25 1/3/2013 7:48:01 AM Report
Grace...thanks.
I knew that but chose to not mention it.
Boehner is a jerk. Pure and simple.
Gov. Chris Christie (R) of New Jersey called it when he said about the current mess in the House, "...there is only one person to blame...Boehner...(he) reflects the toxic internal politics".
John Boehner is the poster boy for country club politics.
Christie in the other hand would be my current choice to be the next president. He is a fiscal conservative, pragmatic and recognizes bullshit from a mile away.
And I think if he was elected that President Obama would be his biggest fan.
Grace...thanks.
I knew that but chose to not mention it.
Boehner is a jerk. Pure and simple.
Gov. Chris Christie (R) of New Jersey called it when he said about the current mess in the House, "...there is only one person to blame...Boehner...(he) reflects the toxic internal politics".
John Boehner is the poster boy for country club politics.
Christie in the other hand would be my current choice to be the next president. He is a fiscal conservative, pragmatic and recognizes bullshit from a mile away.
And I think if he was elected that President Obama would be his biggest fan.
Grace 1/3/2013 7:49:05 AM Report
Grump..I don't know..makes for good media sound bites.
Easy to sling accusations but harder to make them stick
Grump..I don't know..makes for good media sound bites.
Easy to sling accusations but harder to make them stick
AceOfBass 1/3/2013 8:02:13 AM Report
More info from the Treaties
And whereas,the said commissioners have proceeded to negotiate a treaty with the Ojibway,Cree, and other Indians inhabiting the district hereinafter,defined and described,and the same has been agreed upon, and concluded by respective bands at the dates mentioned hereunder,THE SAID INDIANS DO HEREBY CEDE,RELEASE,SURRENDER AND YIELD UP TO THE GOVERNMENT OF the Dominion Of Canada,for his Majesty the King and his successors FOR EVER,ALL RIGHTS TITLES AND PRIVILEGES WHATSOEVER.
More info from the Treaties
And whereas,the said commissioners have proceeded to negotiate a treaty with the Ojibway,Cree, and other Indians inhabiting the district hereinafter,defined and described,and the same has been agreed upon, and concluded by respective bands at the dates mentioned hereunder,THE SAID INDIANS DO HEREBY CEDE,RELEASE,SURRENDER AND YIELD UP TO THE GOVERNMENT OF the Dominion Of Canada,for his Majesty the King and his successors FOR EVER,ALL RIGHTS TITLES AND PRIVILEGES WHATSOEVER.
Nunavut 1/3/2013 8:06:02 AM Report
Thanks Ace of Bass, very interesting, also quite interesting that some here pick and chose when a treaty is no longer valid " stating "no King so not valid" .. By that thinking one could state that there was no Prime Minister or Canada when other treaties signed so then void.
No wonder treaties cannot be taken at face value, they are so vague and un comparable to todays world. There will never be consensus with in the multitude bands and reservations in Canada. (600 all wanting to be nations)
Thanks Ace of Bass, very interesting, also quite interesting that some here pick and chose when a treaty is no longer valid " stating "no King so not valid" .. By that thinking one could state that there was no Prime Minister or Canada when other treaties signed so then void.
No wonder treaties cannot be taken at face value, they are so vague and un comparable to todays world. There will never be consensus with in the multitude bands and reservations in Canada. (600 all wanting to be nations)
AceOfBass 1/3/2013 8:30:41 AM Report
It appears according to the treaties that the Indians are the one breaking the treaties with protests.
The OPP and City Police should start doing their job and arrest the offending Indians according to the treaties.
It appears according to the treaties that the Indians are the one breaking the treaties with protests.
The OPP and City Police should start doing their job and arrest the offending Indians according to the treaties.
bounder 1/3/2013 8:45:52 AM Report
ACE OF B.
When you speak of North American natives do you put them in all one group?Or do you think all natives in Canada surrendered their land,forever and forever?
ACE OF B.
When you speak of North American natives do you put them in all one group?Or do you think all natives in Canada surrendered their land,forever and forever?
right wing 1/3/2013 8:48:56 AM Report
Grace
Good link.
Long read but informative...that is if you read it.
Of course if you read it is clear that it is not just "Boehner is a jerk. Pure and simple.", or "there is only one person to blame...Boehner...(he) reflects the toxic internal politics".
There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides.
You also understand what I stated yesterday about band-aides.
Grace
Good link.
Long read but informative...that is if you read it.
Of course if you read it is clear that it is not just "Boehner is a jerk. Pure and simple.", or "there is only one person to blame...Boehner...(he) reflects the toxic internal politics".
There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides.
You also understand what I stated yesterday about band-aides.
Jimssm 1/3/2013 9:00:09 AM Report
Ace...
Yes...and let's arrest Santa Claus next time he blocks Queen Street for his parade.
Ace...
Yes...and let's arrest Santa Claus next time he blocks Queen Street for his parade.
theprotector 1/3/2013 9:05:05 AM Report
perhaps you should read our constition...where the treaties are apart of....basic fundamental knowledge of Canada...dumbasses!!
perhaps you should read our constition...where the treaties are apart of....basic fundamental knowledge of Canada...dumbasses!!
skipper dave 1/3/2013 9:25:16 AM Report
Good morning sweet Soo! I'm thinking this theatrical presentation by congress may be the best thing that has happened to the Republicans. The two gentlemen who stood up and refused to sing the party song will be their salvation. There are some very valuable lessons here that I doubt canadian politicians will profit from. The biggest of course is if you see the party song does not represent the people who sent you there STOP singing it, your constituents aren't stupid. Example our own Mr. Orazoonie who has been passed over twice for promotion by Dalton still aligns himself with his master! Example the Federal Liberals needed a new leader so they pick the most unlikely candidate to connect with the people then all jump on the teflon ramp down too extinction with no one having the balls to say we picked the wrong guy. Instead they tried to sell the people a pig in a poke and they were not buying it. Dave I haven't given up trying to shame you into growing some balls. The alternative scares the crap out of me. He has a wind up key in his back and I'm not sure who safe guards it.
Good morning sweet Soo! I'm thinking this theatrical presentation by congress may be the best thing that has happened to the Republicans. The two gentlemen who stood up and refused to sing the party song will be their salvation. There are some very valuable lessons here that I doubt canadian politicians will profit from. The biggest of course is if you see the party song does not represent the people who sent you there STOP singing it, your constituents aren't stupid. Example our own Mr. Orazoonie who has been passed over twice for promotion by Dalton still aligns himself with his master! Example the Federal Liberals needed a new leader so they pick the most unlikely candidate to connect with the people then all jump on the teflon ramp down too extinction with no one having the balls to say we picked the wrong guy. Instead they tried to sell the people a pig in a poke and they were not buying it. Dave I haven't given up trying to shame you into growing some balls. The alternative scares the crap out of me. He has a wind up key in his back and I'm not sure who safe guards it.
Sam C 1/3/2013 9:31:12 AM Report
Ace... not sure where you got that "excerpt," but the copy of the Huron Robinson Treaty I am reading says:
"THIS AGREEMENT, made and entered into this ninth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifty, at Sault Ste. Marie, in the Province of Canada, between the Honorable WILLIAM BENJAMIN ROBINSON, of the one part, on behalf of HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN, and..."
The Treaty was signed during the reign of Queen Victoria.
Grace... It wouldn't matter whether or not there is a King or Queen, either is the Sovereign, and any document that refers to one also refer to the other.
The treaties are not "outdated."
If your great-great-great grandfather bought a piece of property, and the deed was handed down through the generations to you, it would not be "outdated" -- it would still be valid, and you could claim ownership of that property.
Legal documents do not expire.
Ace... those treaties are more complicated than you seem to be suggesting.
On the Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development website you will find the full text of the treaties, as well as accepted interpretations of them.
http://tinyurl.com/Robinson-Treaties
Ace... not sure where you got that "excerpt," but the copy of the Huron Robinson Treaty I am reading says:
"THIS AGREEMENT, made and entered into this ninth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifty, at Sault Ste. Marie, in the Province of Canada, between the Honorable WILLIAM BENJAMIN ROBINSON, of the one part, on behalf of HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN, and..."
The Treaty was signed during the reign of Queen Victoria.
Grace... It wouldn't matter whether or not there is a King or Queen, either is the Sovereign, and any document that refers to one also refer to the other.
The treaties are not "outdated."
If your great-great-great grandfather bought a piece of property, and the deed was handed down through the generations to you, it would not be "outdated" -- it would still be valid, and you could claim ownership of that property.
Legal documents do not expire.
Ace... those treaties are more complicated than you seem to be suggesting.
On the Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development website you will find the full text of the treaties, as well as accepted interpretations of them.
http://tinyurl.com/Robinson-Treaties
right wing 1/3/2013 9:32:51 AM Report
The treaties are a basic fundamental knowledge of Canada?
It certainly is not with the majority of its citizens.
The truth of the history of the treaties and First Nations Peoples, their treatment under past and present government, is not taught to our "citizens" in the schools and it should have been from an early age.
This is a major problem with understanding the disputes, a complete lack of knowledge and truth.
The treaties are a basic fundamental knowledge of Canada?
It certainly is not with the majority of its citizens.
The truth of the history of the treaties and First Nations Peoples, their treatment under past and present government, is not taught to our "citizens" in the schools and it should have been from an early age.
This is a major problem with understanding the disputes, a complete lack of knowledge and truth.
right wing 1/3/2013 9:39:17 AM Report
skipper dave
Read the link above provided by Grace.
It was not just the Republicans that disputed the short term solution....many Democrats did not want the deal.
The Dems hold all the cards on this one and they fully well knew that, no matter what happened if a deal was not done the Republicans come out the bad guys.
This was a band-aide and the "fiscal cliff" has not been resolved but extended.
skipper dave
Read the link above provided by Grace.
It was not just the Republicans that disputed the short term solution....many Democrats did not want the deal.
The Dems hold all the cards on this one and they fully well knew that, no matter what happened if a deal was not done the Republicans come out the bad guys.
This was a band-aide and the "fiscal cliff" has not been resolved but extended.
the_mage 1/3/2013 9:41:17 AM Report
Makes me scratch my head. Ancient pieces of paper are null and void, time to move on. Yet they have people south of us, who believe in older pieces of paper that are stored in a helium filled bullet proof box in some heavily guarded building.
I see everybody's point and to some I am empathetic on both sides.
Chief Spence, bring your pot of tea, your reservation's fiscal info and all your books.
Harper, bring your laid back demeanor, your Christmas sweater and a quarter pounder with cheese...
Makes me scratch my head. Ancient pieces of paper are null and void, time to move on. Yet they have people south of us, who believe in older pieces of paper that are stored in a helium filled bullet proof box in some heavily guarded building.
I see everybody's point and to some I am empathetic on both sides.
Chief Spence, bring your pot of tea, your reservation's fiscal info and all your books.
Harper, bring your laid back demeanor, your Christmas sweater and a quarter pounder with cheese...
skipper dave 1/3/2013 9:42:11 AM Report
What part of any treaty says that in the sixties you drive onto reserves in school buses and round up the little kids in one fell swoop and ship them off to residential schools. This was the sixties folks not a hundred years ago. This kind of genocide was not made public and certainly wasn't negotiated. Oh ya we apologized.
Quote: Sitting Bull, chief of the Hunk papa." I'm not aware of any treaty that the red man has broken?"
What part of any treaty says that in the sixties you drive onto reserves in school buses and round up the little kids in one fell swoop and ship them off to residential schools. This was the sixties folks not a hundred years ago. This kind of genocide was not made public and certainly wasn't negotiated. Oh ya we apologized.
Quote: Sitting Bull, chief of the Hunk papa." I'm not aware of any treaty that the red man has broken?"
flyhawk25 1/3/2013 9:46:51 AM Report
As I suspected right wing now offers a weak defense of Boehner by saying there is enough blame to go around.
That seems to imply that the Speaker of the House didn't drop the ball.
We'll see about that as this plays out.
Certainly the GOP don't have the rigid party line all to themselves.
But what I find interesting is that Boehner got side-stepped by the Republican leaders.
The President did not suffer the same fate with the Dems.
When a guy like Christie calls you out the GOP listen.
But rw will keep defending the neo-con nuts right up to the point when the Tea Party is just a stain on the house floor.
Then he'll say the Dems have nuts too.
They do. Get over it.
But this president made the call and came through. That's called leadership.
Boehner caved to the loopy quasi-power-brokers. That's called lack of leadership.
As I suspected right wing now offers a weak defense of Boehner by saying there is enough blame to go around.
That seems to imply that the Speaker of the House didn't drop the ball.
We'll see about that as this plays out.
Certainly the GOP don't have the rigid party line all to themselves.
But what I find interesting is that Boehner got side-stepped by the Republican leaders.
The President did not suffer the same fate with the Dems.
When a guy like Christie calls you out the GOP listen.
But rw will keep defending the neo-con nuts right up to the point when the Tea Party is just a stain on the house floor.
Then he'll say the Dems have nuts too.
They do. Get over it.
But this president made the call and came through. That's called leadership.
Boehner caved to the loopy quasi-power-brokers. That's called lack of leadership.
right wing 1/3/2013 9:56:16 AM Report
Biden made the real call along with his republican pal...but lets not confuse flys reality and love in with his "pal" Obama with facts.
Biden made the real call along with his republican pal...but lets not confuse flys reality and love in with his "pal" Obama with facts.
learningaswego 1/3/2013 9:59:51 AM Report
Best thing that could happen is if both sides could get their Boehners out of the way. Then maybe, but it's a big maybe, they could solve this thing.
Best thing that could happen is if both sides could get their Boehners out of the way. Then maybe, but it's a big maybe, they could solve this thing.
learningaswego 1/3/2013 10:03:04 AM Report
BTW, IMHO the screeching-psycho-hag Pelosi has to be THE biggest Boehner ever witnessed in a political position of power in the US.
BTW, IMHO the screeching-psycho-hag Pelosi has to be THE biggest Boehner ever witnessed in a political position of power in the US.
old-cat33 1/3/2013 10:28:31 AM Report
I was saddened this morning when I sprang out of bed after the alarm went off to hearmy buddy Turnbull on Easy Rock say that Team Canada LOST to the American team 5-1!!!
Being I'm a proud North American Ojibwa Native.Canada is the country that I live in earn my money in and spend 99% of it in and (pay the 8% HST in). So Good Luck boys in the Bronze Medal round!
I was saddened this morning when I sprang out of bed after the alarm went off to hearmy buddy Turnbull on Easy Rock say that Team Canada LOST to the American team 5-1!!!
Being I'm a proud North American Ojibwa Native.Canada is the country that I live in earn my money in and spend 99% of it in and (pay the 8% HST in). So Good Luck boys in the Bronze Medal round!
Right Winger 1/3/2013 10:45:26 AM Report
The former vice president confirmed the sale Wednesday, saying in a statement that Al-Jazeera shares Current TV's mission "to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling."
Al Gore commenting on the sale of Current TV to Al-Jazeera.
Time Warner Cable has now dropped it from their line up.
The former vice president confirmed the sale Wednesday, saying in a statement that Al-Jazeera shares Current TV's mission "to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling."
Al Gore commenting on the sale of Current TV to Al-Jazeera.
Time Warner Cable has now dropped it from their line up.
Grace 1/3/2013 10:47:00 AM Report
Sam..I say out dated. This agreement was fully written to give one side an advantage over the other.
Times have changed.
Sam..I say out dated. This agreement was fully written to give one side an advantage over the other.
Times have changed.
flyhawk25 1/3/2013 10:59:27 AM Report
Pelosi is the poster grandmother for botox and bullshit.
I would never debate that she was a very nasty leader.
But that is not the issue.
Boehner is the issue. Not Pelosi, Biden or Obama.
Not Al Gore.
John Boehner.
So all you neo-con acolytes can drop as many names as you want - we get it. Hitler was worse than FDR.
Gingrich might have been worse than Pelosi. So what?
Just admit it.
Speaker Boehner caved to the Tea Party and relief money for Hurricane Sandy was delayed.
That speaks to a lack of leadership and partisan wrangling.
You guys do understand the concept don't you?
Good grief.
Pelosi is the poster grandmother for botox and bullshit.
I would never debate that she was a very nasty leader.
But that is not the issue.
Boehner is the issue. Not Pelosi, Biden or Obama.
Not Al Gore.
John Boehner.
So all you neo-con acolytes can drop as many names as you want - we get it. Hitler was worse than FDR.
Gingrich might have been worse than Pelosi. So what?
Just admit it.
Speaker Boehner caved to the Tea Party and relief money for Hurricane Sandy was delayed.
That speaks to a lack of leadership and partisan wrangling.
You guys do understand the concept don't you?
Good grief.
skipper dave 1/3/2013 11:18:28 AM Report
Some body splain to me what the translation is "ontario government repeals bill C blah blah" I'm confused?
Some body splain to me what the translation is "ontario government repeals bill C blah blah" I'm confused?
Mr. Poster 1/3/2013 11:26:35 AM Report
Does the repealing of bill 115 mean the Catholic Boards will have less than the public schools counterparts? Were the Catholics too quick to settle?
Does the repealing of bill 115 mean the Catholic Boards will have less than the public schools counterparts? Were the Catholics too quick to settle?
skipper dave 1/3/2013 11:28:17 AM Report
Patti Page, Doris Day, Mary Tyler Moor, The hills are alive with the sound. Yep where have all the real women gone? I want a girl just like the girl that married dear old Dad. Hey wait a minute, he died at 52 I'm now 65, let me think this thru! Wonder if Mary knew I was fixated on her caboose as a teen. The shame, she would wear those spandex leotards on the Dick VanDyke show, how I hated Dick. How old would she be now and bet you she looks just as good?
Patti Page, Doris Day, Mary Tyler Moor, The hills are alive with the sound. Yep where have all the real women gone? I want a girl just like the girl that married dear old Dad. Hey wait a minute, he died at 52 I'm now 65, let me think this thru! Wonder if Mary knew I was fixated on her caboose as a teen. The shame, she would wear those spandex leotards on the Dick VanDyke show, how I hated Dick. How old would she be now and bet you she looks just as good?
flyhawk25 1/3/2013 11:34:11 AM Report
skipper...sad to say she still has the great shape and smile but her face looks like a relief map for a Kentucky coal mine.
Apparently she asked Nancy Pelosi for advice and Botox Granny told her to vote Democrat.
skipper...sad to say she still has the great shape and smile but her face looks like a relief map for a Kentucky coal mine.
Apparently she asked Nancy Pelosi for advice and Botox Granny told her to vote Democrat.
Big Bad Bob 1/3/2013 11:44:08 AM Report
I was delighted to note that I am not the only one who sees similarities between political correctness and Nazism, to which I would add Communism; i.e. a bunch of intolerant sexual intellectuals who believe that they alone possess all the answers to everything and that nobody else is entitled to any opinion but theirs on any subject.
I was delighted to note that I am not the only one who sees similarities between political correctness and Nazism, to which I would add Communism; i.e. a bunch of intolerant sexual intellectuals who believe that they alone possess all the answers to everything and that nobody else is entitled to any opinion but theirs on any subject.
the_mage 1/3/2013 11:48:25 AM Report
Yeah, but reading all the moaners posts on this page is cheaper than a movie...
Yeah, but reading all the moaners posts on this page is cheaper than a movie...
KENNEDY919 1/3/2013 12:13:33 PM Report
Sam C
The First Nation Treaties of the 1800s are greatly outdated. The economy of the 1000 reserves in the 1800s revolved around Hunting,Fishing and Fur trading.These economies no longer exist. Many of these 1000 reserves have no economic activity within 100 miles of their reserve yet they continue to be maintained.
The costs of Healthcare,education,Social welfare,construction,road maintenance,police services and water/sewer infrastructure have gone up a little bit since the 1800s. All these services are duplicated on an administrative level for every one of the 1000 reserves throughout Canada. The Department of Indian Affairs serves as an administrative duplication of all regular government services. These administrative costs are mind boggling.
Accountability for the disbursement of funds to these reserves are poor at best.
The high priced Chief on her Hunger strike did not do her job when her reserve members used the wood from their homes to burn as firewood when there was a forest 20 feet away of available firewood. When the construction of the homes were compromised and the homes not properly heated mould set in as reserve members spent their monies on other things other than oil for their furnace. So Ottawa and the taxpayer have to replace these homes due to mould. In 200 years this reserve has not developed skilled tradesmen to deal with the everyday maintenance of a remote nation. When things go wrong it is Ottawa's fault and that of Stephen Harper.
The Public Sector Fiscal mess we are now in can not be properly dealt with until the people rise up and demand to throw political correctness out the window and deal with the insanity of current public sector spending.
Sam C
The First Nation Treaties of the 1800s are greatly outdated. The economy of the 1000 reserves in the 1800s revolved around Hunting,Fishing and Fur trading.These economies no longer exist. Many of these 1000 reserves have no economic activity within 100 miles of their reserve yet they continue to be maintained.
The costs of Healthcare,education,Social welfare,construction,road maintenance,police services and water/sewer infrastructure have gone up a little bit since the 1800s. All these services are duplicated on an administrative level for every one of the 1000 reserves throughout Canada. The Department of Indian Affairs serves as an administrative duplication of all regular government services. These administrative costs are mind boggling.
Accountability for the disbursement of funds to these reserves are poor at best.
The high priced Chief on her Hunger strike did not do her job when her reserve members used the wood from their homes to burn as firewood when there was a forest 20 feet away of available firewood. When the construction of the homes were compromised and the homes not properly heated mould set in as reserve members spent their monies on other things other than oil for their furnace. So Ottawa and the taxpayer have to replace these homes due to mould. In 200 years this reserve has not developed skilled tradesmen to deal with the everyday maintenance of a remote nation. When things go wrong it is Ottawa's fault and that of Stephen Harper.
The Public Sector Fiscal mess we are now in can not be properly dealt with until the people rise up and demand to throw political correctness out the window and deal with the insanity of current public sector spending.
BIG BROTHER 1/3/2013 12:33:02 PM Report
Kenedy,
The public sector fiscal mess has been with us for as long as I can remember. It is a political tool, used by various governments, to help sell their particular programs. The treaties were written in terms that the average Canadian, at the time, could barely read, let alone understand. How could we/they expect the Natives to understand them when most natives couldn't read or write English. They (the treaties) have not been re-written nor followed, according to the way they were supposed to be. Now that the Natives are demanding consultation when the treaties are being altered, they are being treated like criminals for asking what they were entitled to from the beginning, yet have been denied from that same beginning.
This is not just Harper, but a succession of government's responsibilities being neglect. Of course the Natives are indignant about opening their books for public scrutiny. The money is theirs to do with what they decide. We may not like it, but think about the many things they may not like and yet, can't have addressed.
Kenedy,
The public sector fiscal mess has been with us for as long as I can remember. It is a political tool, used by various governments, to help sell their particular programs. The treaties were written in terms that the average Canadian, at the time, could barely read, let alone understand. How could we/they expect the Natives to understand them when most natives couldn't read or write English. They (the treaties) have not been re-written nor followed, according to the way they were supposed to be. Now that the Natives are demanding consultation when the treaties are being altered, they are being treated like criminals for asking what they were entitled to from the beginning, yet have been denied from that same beginning.
This is not just Harper, but a succession of government's responsibilities being neglect. Of course the Natives are indignant about opening their books for public scrutiny. The money is theirs to do with what they decide. We may not like it, but think about the many things they may not like and yet, can't have addressed.
25miller 1/3/2013 12:35:39 PM Report
Two Michigan men have been fined a total of $31,500 and received a one-year bear hunting licence suspension for several offences under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.
These laws mush change...Lost their hunting bear rights for 1 year???
Two Michigan men have been fined a total of $31,500 and received a one-year bear hunting licence suspension for several offences under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.
These laws mush change...Lost their hunting bear rights for 1 year???
Brianne 1/3/2013 12:50:23 PM Report
Does anyone have, or know of anyone that has a pasta machine that they are not using and want to sell ......... I need one to make buttons !
Does anyone have, or know of anyone that has a pasta machine that they are not using and want to sell ......... I need one to make buttons !
skipper dave 1/3/2013 1:30:03 PM Report
Big Bad Bob, those are pretty harsh words to be directed at "Are Dubya" I personally think you have crossed over the line and rw needs an apology forthwith.
Big Bad Bob, those are pretty harsh words to be directed at "Are Dubya" I personally think you have crossed over the line and rw needs an apology forthwith.
learningaswego 1/3/2013 1:46:09 PM Report
So, Big Bro', who then protects or advocates for the people on the reserves, when the money is not used for its intended purpose (housing, infrastructure, programs - basically for the people on the reserve, instead of lining the pockets of reserve "leaders" )? - which is now quite obvious, happens regularly?
So, Big Bro', who then protects or advocates for the people on the reserves, when the money is not used for its intended purpose (housing, infrastructure, programs - basically for the people on the reserve, instead of lining the pockets of reserve "leaders" )? - which is now quite obvious, happens regularly?
AceOfBass 1/3/2013 2:06:32 PM Report
Skipper Dave; from Treaty 9 Further,His Majesty agrees to pay such salaries of teachers to instruct the children of said Indians,and also provide such school buildings and educational equipment as may seem advisable to His Majesty's government of Canada.
Skipper Dave; from Treaty 9 Further,His Majesty agrees to pay such salaries of teachers to instruct the children of said Indians,and also provide such school buildings and educational equipment as may seem advisable to His Majesty's government of Canada.
Pink Peony 1/3/2013 2:24:33 PM Report
“(Spence’s) message is that the chiefs must and will redeem themselves despite an imperfect past; the time has come for the leaders of our nations to become one and the same as the people,” reads the letter from Angela Bercier.
“The chiefs have made mistakes in the past, but don’t shame them for these. They are, after all, our people. The chiefs are ready now to humble themselves for the people.”
http://tinyurl.com/a8zjbzv
Shame/blame the government instead and use non native people as pawns, after all they are not their people. So, government is suppose to pay for their mistakes? I don't know about that. When I've made mistakes in my life, I pay for them. I live with the consequences and I make changes if I choose to do so. Sure my history, where I had no control, may have something to do with the mistakes I've made but the bottom line is, it's my choice to either repeat or learn from my mistakes. Why give special treatment to the FN for their mistakes.
Let go of the past and move forward but stop trying to take, take, take from others. That won't fix things...the fixing needs to be done in the mind first.
Although I'm tired of the bs, the longer it goes on, the more truth that comes out. It seems that chiefs are to blame for the plight of their own reservations...not the government.
Why can't we all just be ONE nation.
“(Spence’s) message is that the chiefs must and will redeem themselves despite an imperfect past; the time has come for the leaders of our nations to become one and the same as the people,” reads the letter from Angela Bercier.
“The chiefs have made mistakes in the past, but don’t shame them for these. They are, after all, our people. The chiefs are ready now to humble themselves for the people.”
http://tinyurl.com/a8zjbzv
Shame/blame the government instead and use non native people as pawns, after all they are not their people. So, government is suppose to pay for their mistakes? I don't know about that. When I've made mistakes in my life, I pay for them. I live with the consequences and I make changes if I choose to do so. Sure my history, where I had no control, may have something to do with the mistakes I've made but the bottom line is, it's my choice to either repeat or learn from my mistakes. Why give special treatment to the FN for their mistakes.
Let go of the past and move forward but stop trying to take, take, take from others. That won't fix things...the fixing needs to be done in the mind first.
Although I'm tired of the bs, the longer it goes on, the more truth that comes out. It seems that chiefs are to blame for the plight of their own reservations...not the government.
Why can't we all just be ONE nation.
Just Curious 1/3/2013 2:36:07 PM Report
Totally aside from this other crap on here:),Sam C,where is your New years pontification.? I keep scrolling to editorials hoping to see it and it's not there. What's happenning? May not always agree with it but it is still always a good read...
Totally aside from this other crap on here:),Sam C,where is your New years pontification.? I keep scrolling to editorials hoping to see it and it's not there. What's happenning? May not always agree with it but it is still always a good read...
BIG BROTHER 1/3/2013 3:03:37 PM Report
PP,
The behavior of the Native people is learned behavior. The elders in their society are the 'one's' who were the product of the Residential Schools. They have not truly learned the traditional ways and have not learned the mainstream ways or white ways. Their's is a tragic story...a nightmare we should all be thankful we didn't have to live it. We (our government) pushed them on to reserves, separated them from mainstream society and expected that we 'done good'. Throw some money at them and forget about them. That has been the so-called cure.
Personally, I think projects like the James Bay/Labrador power projects should be dedicated to the Native people. Profits, after expenses, including maintenance, should be directed back to the Natives...100%. That is the land that sustained them for a couple of thousand years. It should still be sustaining them.
Instead, we give them a million dollars, knowing this will fail, then demand that they open their books for public scrutiny. Feed the propagandists more ammunition and sneak through more legislation aimed at stripping more rights away from them. The million dollars is a pittance, compared to what we owe them.
PP,
The behavior of the Native people is learned behavior. The elders in their society are the 'one's' who were the product of the Residential Schools. They have not truly learned the traditional ways and have not learned the mainstream ways or white ways. Their's is a tragic story...a nightmare we should all be thankful we didn't have to live it. We (our government) pushed them on to reserves, separated them from mainstream society and expected that we 'done good'. Throw some money at them and forget about them. That has been the so-called cure.
Personally, I think projects like the James Bay/Labrador power projects should be dedicated to the Native people. Profits, after expenses, including maintenance, should be directed back to the Natives...100%. That is the land that sustained them for a couple of thousand years. It should still be sustaining them.
Instead, we give them a million dollars, knowing this will fail, then demand that they open their books for public scrutiny. Feed the propagandists more ammunition and sneak through more legislation aimed at stripping more rights away from them. The million dollars is a pittance, compared to what we owe them.
Jimssm 1/3/2013 3:31:18 PM Report
On a brighter note...
The Pine Street Extension to 2nd Line is now open !
On a brighter note...
The Pine Street Extension to 2nd Line is now open !
Jimssm 1/3/2013 3:37:10 PM Report
@ Kennedy919
"The high priced Chief on her Hunger strike did not do her job when her reserve members used the wood from their homes to burn as firewood when there was a forest 20 feet away of available firewood"
You're kidding, right ?
1. Firewood 20 feet away ? This is the arctic...no trees
2. High priced Chief ? Spence makes $70,000/year, that's $330,000/year less than the guy sent in to check their books.
@ Kennedy919
"The high priced Chief on her Hunger strike did not do her job when her reserve members used the wood from their homes to burn as firewood when there was a forest 20 feet away of available firewood"
You're kidding, right ?
1. Firewood 20 feet away ? This is the arctic...no trees
2. High priced Chief ? Spence makes $70,000/year, that's $330,000/year less than the guy sent in to check their books.
Mr. Poster 1/3/2013 3:43:43 PM Report
Talking about Native problems is akin to talking about religion and politics...you never win the debate.
Talking about Native problems is akin to talking about religion and politics...you never win the debate.
skipper dave 1/3/2013 3:45:27 PM Report
Ace Baby the education phrase of the children applies equally to yours and mine. You and me would react entirely different if our children were kidnapped!
Ace Baby the education phrase of the children applies equally to yours and mine. You and me would react entirely different if our children were kidnapped!
skipper dave 1/3/2013 4:26:57 PM Report
What clown writes the ontario liberal pap? We are at the same stage as the american voters and their congress. What an insult to their constituents. if the teachers did not have the majority support they do now. We will enact bill 115 then we will repeal it, so there satisfied now? All together - So they built that ship titanic that the sea would never go thru.
What clown writes the ontario liberal pap? We are at the same stage as the american voters and their congress. What an insult to their constituents. if the teachers did not have the majority support they do now. We will enact bill 115 then we will repeal it, so there satisfied now? All together - So they built that ship titanic that the sea would never go thru.
Pink Peony 1/3/2013 4:49:21 PM Report
BB, I understand about learned behaviour. I also know that with the right support, most can learn a new way of behaving. I do not agree with what happened in the past but that is past and it can't be changed and it isn't the fault of current day people. Governments have hurt many people. Do you remember training schools for example. I believe the only way is to move forward and leave the negative things of the past behind. I understand about wanting to hang onto culture and that can be done. I don't believe reserves were or are the solution. They bring about isolation and division.
Mr. Poster, I agree but it makes for great discussion, don't ya think? Also, a lot can be learned.
BB, I understand about learned behaviour. I also know that with the right support, most can learn a new way of behaving. I do not agree with what happened in the past but that is past and it can't be changed and it isn't the fault of current day people. Governments have hurt many people. Do you remember training schools for example. I believe the only way is to move forward and leave the negative things of the past behind. I understand about wanting to hang onto culture and that can be done. I don't believe reserves were or are the solution. They bring about isolation and division.
Mr. Poster, I agree but it makes for great discussion, don't ya think? Also, a lot can be learned.
mallet 1/3/2013 4:53:24 PM Report
Skipper Dave...
It's those damn "orders in council" that confuse people, even I am not sure of the legality of them. However I do remember Mr P Trudeau getting an order in council so one of his sons could have a Blowpipe, which is one of those Prohibited weapons, from one of his world trips. Now as far as this bill 115 is concerned I do not know how the government can use it and then repeal it without a debate in the legislature. I am sure that those damn Cons would want to keep it for future use.. :)
Skipper Dave...
It's those damn "orders in council" that confuse people, even I am not sure of the legality of them. However I do remember Mr P Trudeau getting an order in council so one of his sons could have a Blowpipe, which is one of those Prohibited weapons, from one of his world trips. Now as far as this bill 115 is concerned I do not know how the government can use it and then repeal it without a debate in the legislature. I am sure that those damn Cons would want to keep it for future use.. :)
BIG BROTHER 1/3/2013 5:01:58 PM Report
PP,
Well said. Reserves were/are not the answer, but they weren't the Natives idea in the first place either. None of any of this was their idea. They have merely been spectators at the ritualistic signing of these documents. Then followed what they were told to do.
Yes, we have all felt the wrath of bad government policies. We were also given or taught the tools to fight back or use the system to our advantage.
Yes, the treaties are outdated, but they are the only documents left to work with and our past and present governments haven't lived up to the spirit of them. Why would the Natives want to give those up, with no other consideration.
I believe the 'hunger strike' is having it's desired effect. People are paying attention and the discussions are happening. It worked for Mandella, Ghandi and MLK...non-violent protest!! Bring attention to your cause.
PP,
Well said. Reserves were/are not the answer, but they weren't the Natives idea in the first place either. None of any of this was their idea. They have merely been spectators at the ritualistic signing of these documents. Then followed what they were told to do.
Yes, we have all felt the wrath of bad government policies. We were also given or taught the tools to fight back or use the system to our advantage.
Yes, the treaties are outdated, but they are the only documents left to work with and our past and present governments haven't lived up to the spirit of them. Why would the Natives want to give those up, with no other consideration.
I believe the 'hunger strike' is having it's desired effect. People are paying attention and the discussions are happening. It worked for Mandella, Ghandi and MLK...non-violent protest!! Bring attention to your cause.
Oldie Goldie 1/3/2013 5:34:52 PM Report
Mr. Poster---The Catholic and Francophone Teachers had nothing to lose by agreeing to a Government dictated agreement.
If the other group of Teachers got something better then the Catholic and Francophone Teachers would get the better agreement too. It is in their agreement so they had no fear of any agreement signing and the Liberals took advantage of them by trying to tell all the others how good the Catholic and Francophone Teachers were without telling the whole truth about their agreement.
Mr. Poster---The Catholic and Francophone Teachers had nothing to lose by agreeing to a Government dictated agreement.
If the other group of Teachers got something better then the Catholic and Francophone Teachers would get the better agreement too. It is in their agreement so they had no fear of any agreement signing and the Liberals took advantage of them by trying to tell all the others how good the Catholic and Francophone Teachers were without telling the whole truth about their agreement.
Oldie Goldie 1/3/2013 5:36:36 PM Report
Mr. Poster---The Catholic and Francophone Teachers had nothing to lose by agreeing to a Government dictated agreement.
If the other group of Teachers got something better then the Catholic and Francophone Teachers would get the better agreement too. It is in their agreement so they had no fear of any agreement signing and the Liberals took advantage of them by trying to tell all the others how good the Catholic and Francophone Teachers were without telling the whole truth about their agreement.
Mr. Poster---The Catholic and Francophone Teachers had nothing to lose by agreeing to a Government dictated agreement.
If the other group of Teachers got something better then the Catholic and Francophone Teachers would get the better agreement too. It is in their agreement so they had no fear of any agreement signing and the Liberals took advantage of them by trying to tell all the others how good the Catholic and Francophone Teachers were without telling the whole truth about their agreement.
Resident 1/3/2013 5:42:25 PM Report
I worked with a fellow who was taken away from his parents at age FOUR! This happened (as well as worse things in the Residential schools) to a GENERATION. Ask yourself how you would do (and your parents and other family members) if this happened to you. Then factor in some prejudice to keep you down if you had the incentive to try to improve your lot in life. There needs to be a lot of healing and, to me, that starts with talking. Didn't harper say he was going to talk to First Nations to try to make things better for everyone?
I worked with a fellow who was taken away from his parents at age FOUR! This happened (as well as worse things in the Residential schools) to a GENERATION. Ask yourself how you would do (and your parents and other family members) if this happened to you. Then factor in some prejudice to keep you down if you had the incentive to try to improve your lot in life. There needs to be a lot of healing and, to me, that starts with talking. Didn't harper say he was going to talk to First Nations to try to make things better for everyone?
Grump 1/3/2013 6:22:59 PM Report
Big Brother you mention Ghandi and Mandella among others for peacefull protests. That said look at their situations compared to our First Nations. Then look at the First Nations in the States and I'm certainly not suggesting doing as the Americans and damn near decimating them. That said they had to sink or swim and they certainly have improved their lot compared to ours. That was also fighting huge odds with the GOP and the Tea Baggers. LMAO
Big Brother you mention Ghandi and Mandella among others for peacefull protests. That said look at their situations compared to our First Nations. Then look at the First Nations in the States and I'm certainly not suggesting doing as the Americans and damn near decimating them. That said they had to sink or swim and they certainly have improved their lot compared to ours. That was also fighting huge odds with the GOP and the Tea Baggers. LMAO
Pink Peony 1/3/2013 7:43:05 PM Report
I think the other things that need to be considered, to be realistic, are population increase and the advent of industrialization since those treaties were signed. I doubt that either side could have begun to imagine both of those things to the extent that they have become. With the increase in population, more people needed the resources available. With industrialization, all resources and all land has been affected. I guess that's where the protests regarding parts of C-45 come in. In the bigger picture though, we have a lot of people to accommodate. We need to establish and or maintain relationships with other parts of the world, have allies.
The protests are stirring up anger, resentment, hatred too. Not good. They may be peaceful protests but for many of those inconvenienced (in my mind, used as pawns), it isn't leaving much of a peaceful feeling.
I think the other things that need to be considered, to be realistic, are population increase and the advent of industrialization since those treaties were signed. I doubt that either side could have begun to imagine both of those things to the extent that they have become. With the increase in population, more people needed the resources available. With industrialization, all resources and all land has been affected. I guess that's where the protests regarding parts of C-45 come in. In the bigger picture though, we have a lot of people to accommodate. We need to establish and or maintain relationships with other parts of the world, have allies.
The protests are stirring up anger, resentment, hatred too. Not good. They may be peaceful protests but for many of those inconvenienced (in my mind, used as pawns), it isn't leaving much of a peaceful feeling.
statusquo 1/3/2013 8:45:02 PM Report
What inconvenience?
15 minutes stuck in traffic or 200 years of oppression?
The natives have been handed the short end of the stick from the get go.
This situation will never be solved...ever!
We've created a culture of dependency.
The treaties that were drawn and signed are redundant as they do not work for either side and times and circumstances have changed.
Leases and contracts have an expiry date and on that date things need to be renegotiated.
The native people never invited us . We crashed the party and then some.
But it is what it is...and I am not going to pack my bag and move back to Europe. I contributed and my kids will contribute to what we call Canada.
We are in this boat together whether we like it or not and unless we learn to co-operate this crap will continue forever.
The living conditions in Attawapiskat are untenable and pumping money into it is not going to solve anything.
We seem more preoccupied with million dollar contracts for Hockey players than the fate of kids living in abject conditions with but a scant hope of a better life.
We have designed a nation of "us" and "thems" and both sides are more or less responsible for that and yet we seem upset at the results.
What inconvenience?
15 minutes stuck in traffic or 200 years of oppression?
The natives have been handed the short end of the stick from the get go.
This situation will never be solved...ever!
We've created a culture of dependency.
The treaties that were drawn and signed are redundant as they do not work for either side and times and circumstances have changed.
Leases and contracts have an expiry date and on that date things need to be renegotiated.
The native people never invited us . We crashed the party and then some.
But it is what it is...and I am not going to pack my bag and move back to Europe. I contributed and my kids will contribute to what we call Canada.
We are in this boat together whether we like it or not and unless we learn to co-operate this crap will continue forever.
The living conditions in Attawapiskat are untenable and pumping money into it is not going to solve anything.
We seem more preoccupied with million dollar contracts for Hockey players than the fate of kids living in abject conditions with but a scant hope of a better life.
We have designed a nation of "us" and "thems" and both sides are more or less responsible for that and yet we seem upset at the results.
mallet 1/3/2013 8:49:40 PM Report
P P...
I think this is where a lot of confusion is coming in.. When all these treaties were signed most First Nations people were Hunter/gatherers and they were not concerned with the advent of the immigration policies of the time, nor the industrialization either. Fast forward to the present time and there are very few First Nations people who fit the bill as Hunter/gatherers anymore. Most use the motor vehicle for transportation, Metro, AP or No Frills for groceries, PUC or Gt Lakes for water and Energy, yet they want to be treated and acknowledged as different according to a treaty signed 150 years ago, which did not envision a world like we have today. I have not seen one First Nation person come on here and say which of their rights under the Treaties is being renaged on, I have not seen any specific reason for all the "protests". A Band Chief does not want to disclose the Salary she gets and how many of her relatives have their fingers in the cooker jar, thats between her and the paymaster, not me or the rest of Canada. You want my supprt, fine, but be honest and specific in what it is you feel is wrong, but just remember this was the Lady was given a dozen quarter million dollar homes just last year...
P P...
I think this is where a lot of confusion is coming in.. When all these treaties were signed most First Nations people were Hunter/gatherers and they were not concerned with the advent of the immigration policies of the time, nor the industrialization either. Fast forward to the present time and there are very few First Nations people who fit the bill as Hunter/gatherers anymore. Most use the motor vehicle for transportation, Metro, AP or No Frills for groceries, PUC or Gt Lakes for water and Energy, yet they want to be treated and acknowledged as different according to a treaty signed 150 years ago, which did not envision a world like we have today. I have not seen one First Nation person come on here and say which of their rights under the Treaties is being renaged on, I have not seen any specific reason for all the "protests". A Band Chief does not want to disclose the Salary she gets and how many of her relatives have their fingers in the cooker jar, thats between her and the paymaster, not me or the rest of Canada. You want my supprt, fine, but be honest and specific in what it is you feel is wrong, but just remember this was the Lady was given a dozen quarter million dollar homes just last year...
mallet 1/3/2013 8:57:30 PM Report
On another note...
The numbers from the holiday RIDE programs have just come in, seems that people are just not getting the message, prehaps it should go to Zero tolerance as the idea thats its O K to have a couple appears to be the normal.. Prehaps the law should be changed that if you are found driving with alcohol in the body you are immediately banned from driving for say 3 months and the vehicle impounded for that length of time too along with any other licences you may have. Second time the vehicle is forfeit and a lifetime ban. The present set up certainly doesn't seem to be working...
On another note...
The numbers from the holiday RIDE programs have just come in, seems that people are just not getting the message, prehaps it should go to Zero tolerance as the idea thats its O K to have a couple appears to be the normal.. Prehaps the law should be changed that if you are found driving with alcohol in the body you are immediately banned from driving for say 3 months and the vehicle impounded for that length of time too along with any other licences you may have. Second time the vehicle is forfeit and a lifetime ban. The present set up certainly doesn't seem to be working...
mallet 1/3/2013 9:10:32 PM Report
Status...
We seem pretty much agreed that the world has changed since the treaties were signed. But what is the answer to the F N peoples problems. Scrap the Indian Act, okay, but what then, do we call in the tribes, the Cree,Ojibway however many there are and say what? here is so much land,money, now go on your way? This is a situation that can never be solved in a satisfactory way to everyone... I do not know how much you keep up with situations in Europe, but at the moment it looks like Belgium could separate into the Walllons and Flems..
Status...
We seem pretty much agreed that the world has changed since the treaties were signed. But what is the answer to the F N peoples problems. Scrap the Indian Act, okay, but what then, do we call in the tribes, the Cree,Ojibway however many there are and say what? here is so much land,money, now go on your way? This is a situation that can never be solved in a satisfactory way to everyone... I do not know how much you keep up with situations in Europe, but at the moment it looks like Belgium could separate into the Walllons and Flems..
statusquo 1/3/2013 9:13:43 PM Report
Mallet,
There are folks on the road that should be banned from driving even if they are sober!
I consumed two beers in five hours on New years eve and I drove home.
I was stopped at the old hospital and was asked if I had anything to drink and I told them exactly what I had...they made me blow.....they told me to have a nice night.
Mallet,
There are folks on the road that should be banned from driving even if they are sober!
I consumed two beers in five hours on New years eve and I drove home.
I was stopped at the old hospital and was asked if I had anything to drink and I told them exactly what I had...they made me blow.....they told me to have a nice night.
statusquo 1/3/2013 9:18:54 PM Report
Mallet,
Belgians are a horrible people....sprouts and waffels and the occasional foray into the Congo.
Never much cared for them.
(smiley face)
They never settled on being French or Dutch.
Mallet,
Belgians are a horrible people....sprouts and waffels and the occasional foray into the Congo.
Never much cared for them.
(smiley face)
They never settled on being French or Dutch.
Guenther_Of_The_Apes 1/3/2013 9:19:15 PM Report
"....they made me blow..."
How many officers before they let you go without a ticket?
;-)
"....they made me blow..."
How many officers before they let you go without a ticket?
;-)
statusquo 1/3/2013 9:27:13 PM Report
Guenther,
Just one...he was cute....he even handed me a kleenex to wipe off my chin....one gots to do what one gots to do...
Guenther,
Just one...he was cute....he even handed me a kleenex to wipe off my chin....one gots to do what one gots to do...
Guenther_Of_The_Apes 1/3/2013 10:09:49 PM Report
Not judging...
A man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do.
Not judging...
A man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do.
Guenther_Of_The_Apes 1/3/2013 10:12:06 PM Report
and I'm glad someone else understands
'the rules of the road'.
and I'm glad someone else understands
'the rules of the road'.
Wisenheimer 1/3/2013 10:23:32 PM Report
Congratulations to the City for opening up Pine Street to 2nd Line! Makes it almost impossible to make left hand turns onto Pine from Tilley, Willoughby, Pleasant, Food Basics etc. Driving traffic back onto Great Northern. Brilliant!
Congratulations to the City for opening up Pine Street to 2nd Line! Makes it almost impossible to make left hand turns onto Pine from Tilley, Willoughby, Pleasant, Food Basics etc. Driving traffic back onto Great Northern. Brilliant!
northernmale 1/3/2013 10:54:05 PM Report
Have a plan here. Sence Quebec and First Nations seem to want the samething, all the money they can getfrom Canada and answer to no one.. I say give Quebec to the natives. They can all live together and the rest of Canada can be happy for ever after.
Have a plan here. Sence Quebec and First Nations seem to want the samething, all the money they can getfrom Canada and answer to no one.. I say give Quebec to the natives. They can all live together and the rest of Canada can be happy for ever after.
Wicket 1/3/2013 11:12:15 PM Report
Oh wisen..... give it a rest, learn to deal with it, being patient and waiting for a break in traffic to turn. Those of us living on streets that feed onto Queen or Wellington, have been doing this foreverrrrrrrr.....
So sick of all the negativity posted on here, didn't realize how many sad, unhappy, bitter, complaining people actually lived in a free country. Go and volunteer somewhere so that you will learn to appreciate what you have.
Oh wisen..... give it a rest, learn to deal with it, being patient and waiting for a break in traffic to turn. Those of us living on streets that feed onto Queen or Wellington, have been doing this foreverrrrrrrr.....
So sick of all the negativity posted on here, didn't realize how many sad, unhappy, bitter, complaining people actually lived in a free country. Go and volunteer somewhere so that you will learn to appreciate what you have.
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