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View Room Comments for Thursday, Dec. 27 2012

Thursday, December 27, 2012   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 12/27/2012 4:51:50 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo! I've been on the Lance Armstrong diet and enhancement program to get in shape for the up coming SAH special Olympics. Owe it all to chicken and tuna sandwiches. It's been suggested by my good sailing buddy Spelly that I enter the wheel chair races an the third floor. No use trying to splain to Spellchecker that with one wing my tracking needs a lot of work. He's so damned enthusiastic there's no making sense of him. Especially if he's ODing on Nascar?
I attribute the crazy hours to the meds and yes I had some forewarning. Been struggling all evening with trying to come up with a solution to the Fly-miester's vertical lift dilemma. Now hear me out - We adopt a geographical cure and relocate him. Yep I haven't discussed it with the one who must be obeyed yet (mere formality) but I thought he could bunk in with me. Couple of details to work out. 1 -His son the chef is part of the package. 2- He brings and uses his own depends. 3- he pay his fair share of the rent. 4- My wife insists on her being on the outside of the bed and me too. 5- My spouse is asthmatic and directly across from us is eighty acres of fresh mown hay field, you figure out the tobacco issue. Lastly I go to bed with the chickens and tend to throw my leg and arms around the nearest warm object. (I have abandonment issues so don't take it personal.) Any better suggestions out there? Oh yes this is an apple house so if you and rw are going to joust please do so quietly. On a more serious note can you let your biggest fans in on the up coming tilt at your windmill Don Quixote?
nanag 12/27/2012 7:23:24 AM Report

Skipper Dave

If I read you right, that means the three of you in one bed? or was that 4 of you? Sounds a bit too cuddly to me :)

I guess nobody liked my cherry picker idea.. hmmmm
Grump 12/27/2012 7:51:16 AM Report

Good morning everyone. I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I don't think your idea will fly Skipper. It's not likely that the boss would take on another old *art on a bet but you are a brave man for suggesting it. Nanag a wonderfull idea but you need a ticket to operate one of those lifts. Issued of course by the same crew who inspect (you guessed it) elevators. Have a great day all.
skipper dave 12/27/2012 7:51:47 AM Report

Nanag not so - Fly is no longer a young orang utan capable of climbing over balconies and into the basket of cherry pickers. Also truth be told (you won't hear it from him), he is deathly afraid of heights and if he were to go that route he would be smothering the poor operator from head to foot. Not a good image to portray for a guy who has it all together.
skipper dave 12/27/2012 7:56:21 AM Report

Grump you seem to have some experience with Mr. Otis. Is it a massive undertaking to change out just the drive. I'm thinking the electric package and tune up the mechanics?
Mr. Poster 12/27/2012 8:18:00 AM Report

I think flyhawk has to just stomp up and down and use his fluency in english to make those landlords shiver in their boots.
By the this the most serious and pressing topic to discuss?
nanag 12/27/2012 8:23:28 AM Report

Mr Poster

I guess I missed the instruction page that said we could only discuss the most pressing and serious items on here ????
Just Curious 12/27/2012 8:29:59 AM Report

It is indeed a serious problem when you are a senior on the 5th floor and the elevator packs it in,especially for a month. I recently moved because I was having too much trouble with 3 flights of stairs(partly).I now have a basement Grampa flat and my son says if I get much slower on the stairs he's gonna put a chair lift in. I'm trying to slow down a bit at a time so he won't get suspicious...:)
TFinn 12/27/2012 8:31:15 AM Report

Southern Ontario is getting some snow …..what makes me chuckle, is all the news casts and reports they have concerning what we experience many times throughout the season, with hardly a mention.
Just Curious 12/27/2012 8:40:03 AM Report

We got about 5 inchs with a wind where I am down here in the London area.We drive thru that much in the Soo without thinking about it but it is heavy wet stuff and tough to shovel,for the odd person without a blower. That`s all you can hear for the last hour down here...:)
Grump 12/27/2012 9:49:34 AM Report

Mr Poster I would rather wrestle a grizzly and an alligator at the same time than take on Fly's Landlords daughter. A fellow might have some chance with the pair.
Mr. Poster 12/27/2012 10:02:46 AM Report

wow...what kind of landlord does fly have?
BIG BROTHER 12/27/2012 10:10:38 AM Report

She came by it honestly. Her dad was no pussycat.

But, they are reasonable people and quite likely, fully appreciate the issue and are doing their utmost best to correct the situation.

Fly will survive this 'bump in the road' and be back dueling with the devil once again.
Wicket 12/27/2012 10:30:24 AM Report

Apparently, from what I heard, there are two elevator companies in Ontario and their technicians service all of Ontario. Most cases it is not a big deal, if the cables and motor pulleys have always had maintenance, the main problem could be the panel which can be costly to replace if it is near to impossible to get parts. The building on March St had problems and their elevators were shut down for over six months. East St. doctors building had major work done and they were also down for almost six months. This, I think, would be totally unacceptable in an apartment building. This does not even meet fire code, let alone seniors who cannot manage the stairs. Lots of government offices need to called on this one.
I have had two experiences of being stuck in an elevator in two different buildings. Being claustrophobic, they were experiences I will never forget.
Snobank 12/27/2012 10:43:00 AM Report

Some advice sought:

We have a well loved thirteen years old small dog. Although he appears in reasonably good health I know most of his life is behind him,It dawned on me that when he dies I will have to dispose of his body.

I've been told that the vets dispose of the bodies by sending them to the garbage dump. Is there any truth in that? If so I don't think I could go along with that. I know he's not human, but he has brought a lot of joy and unconditional love to our house. He deserves better than the dump.

I'm looking for any reasonable solutions you might suggest for a respectful disposal of a beloved pet's remains.
goldie 12/27/2012 10:50:10 AM Report

Some vets have cremation services and give back the ashes in a small urn with its name and paw print on it.
Bob the builder 12/27/2012 11:02:22 AM Report

Snobank - yes, have a talk with your vet. There are several options open to you. I agree, the dump is not an ideal ending for a friend.
mallet 12/27/2012 11:06:30 AM Report


There is a pet cemetery at Bells point operated by the gentleman who owns the trailer park there or used to be, also I believe there is one over on St Joe's Island... Failing that if you know someone out in the country they could let you dig a hole and bury the loved one there. Personally I have quite a graveyard of pets out here...
Grump 12/27/2012 11:12:07 AM Report

Snobank there is or was a Pet Cementery on St Joes Island or simply dig a nice grave in your back yard. That's OK for pets but not a wife. lol.
flyhawk25 12/27/2012 11:19:10 AM Report

Moving away from my plight. But before I do I want to thank everyone for the kind thoughts and advice.I have a statue of my patron saint here on my desk - Don Quixote.Do the math.
Now that the holiday season is winding down I reflected on so many really kind thoughts I read on here.
And noted the absence of others.
So President Obama is flying back to Washington to try to work out a financial deal.
Before the resident rednecks start with their Rush-rants...the costs for Air Force One for all presidents is covered by the federal budget.
He and all the other presidents pay for lodging on vacation but it is usually comped for tax purposes and bragging rights.
So let's focus on how the GOP will try to keep to their agenda in spite of the president winning re-election on the issue.
mallet 12/27/2012 11:23:14 AM Report

Skipper Dave...

Elevators come under a Safety Authority, and I believe it's the Transport section. They have all sorts of rules and stangulations, I remember at Creighton Mine at Inco (Vale) you had to have a special ticket to work on the cage and skip hoists, and just to assist in helping you had a weeks instruction, when major jobs came up. Not knowing the age of this one, but I would hazard a guess that anything over 25 years would now have difficulty in getting control parts, obsolecence is built into just about everything these days...
Brianne 12/27/2012 11:44:38 AM Report

Snobank, there is a pet crematorium on McNabb street just east of black road ( on the left if you are driving east) It's right at Acciavetti's (sp) gated yard.
skipper dave 12/27/2012 12:04:33 PM Report

Can't resist, Brianne you are not talking about the BBQ pit are you? That's privately owned!
skipper dave 12/27/2012 12:07:01 PM Report

Ok, ok - in bad taste, it was my inner child acting up, honest.
Snobank 12/27/2012 12:07:43 PM Report

Thank you Goldie, Bob the Builder, Mallet and Brienne. Good advice and some things for me to investigate.
Merry Christmas to you all. I hope Fly's elevator is fixed soon. That is a serious problem for anyone with health or age issues,
shakespeare 12/27/2012 12:14:05 PM Report

I took on the reponsibility of burying the family cat a couple of years ago. It was very difficult ... mainly because the damn thing wouldn't keep still!

Bobby Nerves 12/27/2012 12:19:41 PM Report

Good morning all.

Mallet, in Ontario the elevating devices should be certified in accordance to the TSSA, Technical Standards and Safety Act, the TSSA Technical Standards and Safety Authority is a non for profit organization in charge of the inspections and recommendations. They charge a fee for the inspection. The elevators are regulated by the B 44 in Ontario, elevators, escalators and so.

But... if the elevator doesn't work or someone believe, it's not working properly because it speeds up or stops abruptly... then they can contact the Ministry of Consumers Affairs and an inspector will be dispatched to verify and recommend repairs and eventually close the car off. And that's gonna cost few dollars... each and every time someone calls to report a malfunction.

Grump, can I borrow an excavator, now that I know only pets can be buried in my backyard... hmmmmmm... just delete that question, please.
Bobby Nerves 12/27/2012 12:23:04 PM Report

Shakespeare, I had the same complications to bury my mother in law cat and only six months after the facts my wife told me, that I should have my mother in law detached from the cat, before burying it.
Brianne 12/27/2012 12:30:45 PM Report

Skip........ you bad ! lmao
nanag 12/27/2012 12:37:32 PM Report

You guys are soooooo bad :)
Brianne 12/27/2012 12:40:47 PM Report

Mr. Prime Minister,

Since December 11, 2012, Chief Theresa Spence of the Attawapiskat First Nation has been on a hunger strike. On behalf of her people and all First Nations, Chief Spence has asked for a meeting with you to discuss Canada’s treatment of First Nations people.

Across the country, Canadians are calling for meaningful action to support this woman.

A growing grassroots First Nations movement called “Idle No More” is gaining momentum and urging Canadians to support Chief Spence’s request for a meeting with you and its quest for Ottawa’s recognition of First Nations treaty rights.

Prime Minister, you cannot continue to ignore this request. This is not a question of not wanting to set a precedent.

Four years ago on June 11th, 2008, you called for politicians across the country, from across partisan lines, to stand in unity behind your apology for the historic wrongs of the Residential Schools system.

The date of that apology was hailed as a new chapter of engagement between our federal government and all Aboriginal peoples. In your words, that day was to be “a new beginning…a positive step in forging a new relationship between Aboriginal peoples and other Canadians, a relationship based on the knowledge of our shared history, a respect for each other and a desire to move forward together with a renewed understanding that strong families, strong communities and vibrant cultures and traditions will contribute to a stronger Canada for all of us.”

I stood that day, as a citizen of Canada, in solidarity behind that message. Those words were not only a commitment by you, but a commitment by me, indeed by all Canadians, to forge that new beginning.

Let our words not be empty. This past January at the Crown – First Nations gathering, Canada committed to re-establishing its relationship with our First Nations through mutual recognition, sharing and trust. That trust has been lost. To regain it, it must be earned. Trust is not built on a single statement. It is built step-by-step, day-by-day, through action.

I ask you to take the next step to building the “renewed understanding” we promised and grant Chief Spence and First Nations leadership a meeting to plan a course of action respecting the treatment of Aboriginal peoples.

Sincerely, Marc Garneau
mallet 12/27/2012 1:05:36 PM Report


I hate to sound cynical, but isn't this from a person who wishes to become leader of a political party?? At the risk of sounding racist, this is the reserve that had 10 or 12 new houses delivered, has the media followed up on that, who got the new houses? what condition are they in now? I have not heard a word about that, have you?? I heard the other night on the news about another reserve where the housing was in a rather bad way, holes in the walls etc, mold, most people I know fix these problems themselves, somehow, or ask someone to do it for them, generally a contractor, are there none on the reserves?? Do the reserves have no general maintenence people whatsoever?? I am sorry, I just do not understand. If Chief Spence rally wants to meet with Harper, get the MP for that region to walk her up to Harper's office, and bang on the door.
flyhawk25 12/27/2012 1:15:34 PM Report

mallet...nice idea but there's no one home. Sadly even when the office is full there is still no one home.
mallet 12/27/2012 1:38:09 PM Report

Flyhawk 25...

Maybe so, but has it been tried?? I like old sayings... If the Mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed should go to the Mountain, if I want to see my MP or MPP I would not sit home waiting for him to come to me, principles be damned.
flyhawk25 12/27/2012 1:43:59 PM Report

mallet...good that you have them. You might want to share some with our government leaders both nationally and provincially.
shakespeare 12/27/2012 1:47:41 PM Report

Be careful mallet! Talk like that may result in a fatwa being issued against you!
mallet 12/27/2012 1:56:54 PM Report


I had to go to Libya to find out why they called the Camel the Ship of the Desert... beacuse it's full of Arab C men.... and why the Arabs all run out from the Oasis to meet the Camel trains.... you want a pretty one don't you!!!
skipper dave 12/27/2012 2:44:53 PM Report

Aw the spirit of christmas has gone and good old male pee pee humour has returned, thank you. Couldn't last.
debo 12/27/2012 3:30:51 PM Report

Regarding the demonstration at the Hwy. 17 juncture ... I received a call from a person that I consider credible. He stated that the wait at times was well in excess of an hour to pass through the protest. Is there anyone out there who can deny or confirm that this is fact?
steelworker 12/27/2012 3:39:49 PM Report

Harper is doing the right thing by refusing to meet with Chief Stay-Puffed. Extortion never works and the P.M. should not have to deal with a terrorist.
Christina216 12/27/2012 4:10:03 PM Report

i can deny the wait time.... if the wait time was that long you would see traffic backed up right passed boundry road. i can see boundry road from my house and see no traffic increase or decrease..looks like the same traffic flow i see everyday...and i think they are letting trucks pass cause i see them passing too!!
steelworker 12/27/2012 4:24:33 PM Report

It doesn't matter if it is 2 minutes or 2 hours; no one has the right to impede anyone from going about their lawful business. If you want to protest go to Ottawa.
shakespeare 12/27/2012 4:30:13 PM Report

I understand what the movement is all about and the derivation of the "Idle No More" slogan (a series of workshops), but can anyone tell me the significance of what the words mean?
the_mage 12/27/2012 4:38:49 PM Report

I think it means get off your ass.
steelworker 12/27/2012 4:42:13 PM Report

Jimssm 12/27/2012 4:45:15 PM Report

I went by the protest around 1:30. No delay at all to get to the 4 lane.

The route through Garden River (17B) was blocked.

The word from the truckers at the Husky was to go through before the top of the hour as it was blocked for 15 minutes after that. More of a problem for truckers arriving into town as they couldn't time it as easily.

Mr. Poster 12/27/2012 4:48:49 PM Report

I have never known these kinds of protests to work. Why not gang up on the lawns of the governement where it MIGHT do some good.Making ordinary citizens angry is not a way to DRUM UP support for your cause(whatever it might be ).
the_mage 12/27/2012 4:54:10 PM Report

Cause if they did that, all the non-natives who were ganged up on, might be screaming "terrorist!"
shakespeare 12/27/2012 5:05:43 PM Report

You see the two meanings of "Idle No More" that come to my mind are the following:
a. idle as an adjective giving the meaning, " We used to be idle, but we aren't anymore" or
b. idle as a verb giving the meaning "Stop idling your engine, put it into gear and get moving" which would tend to support the_mage's definition.

I do think that both he and steely have gone a little hyperbolic and need to understand what words like "extortion" and "terrorist" actually mean.
Grace 12/27/2012 5:09:54 PM Report

When it comes to protesting Canadians are marshmallows. They piss and whine, never to lift a finger to do anything only to frown upon those that exercise their democratic rights under the law.
To all those that are taking a stand….. Bravo!

shakespeare 12/27/2012 6:01:27 PM Report

We are marshmallows. Grace. because we (as a majority of Canadians) have lots of marshmallows to roast and little, like the Swiss, the Danes etc. to complain about. We have a solid banking system, are rated as one of the most stable economies in the world, we have a health care system that could be better, but is O.K., we are not in a recession, we are not, like the Brits, paying $2.25 a litre for gas and we have a cunning PM who pushes through an Omnibus Bill that is so wide-ranging that there is little for the populace to unite about in protest. Let's face it, the First Nations are not really interested in the Omnibus Bill but a certain part of it. It's a divide and conquer tactic that Harper is using, so you are unlikely to see many "other" Canadians marching alongside those at Garden River.
My sense is that Harper (personality-wise) is painting himself into a corner, but he'll turn over the keys to a more palatable successor in a year or so.
flyhawk25 12/27/2012 6:16:52 PM Report

shakes...'a little hyperbolic'?
After many days of blessed silence from The Swamp we now have someone using terms like "Chief Stay-Puffed...extortion...terrorist".
As a reasoned person to respond to that kind of nonsense just encourages them to breed.
There will always be red-necks in the world. Like rats, spiders and snakes they will survive because that's what they do.
We can't exterminate them; we can't change their DNA; so best just learn to learn to ignore them in public places.
In private we can do all sorts of things.
Remember the other rule of survival - we are smarter than they are. We have a conscience and a sense of humor. We will limit their damage.

flyhawk25 12/27/2012 6:20:11 PM Report

My apologies for the blank space. But think of it as a metaphor.
Think of it not as a slip of my keyboard as much as a model of the Swamp Peoples' minds.
shakespeare 12/27/2012 6:45:53 PM Report

mallet: I rode a camel (in a good way) a few years ago in Fuerteventura, and I was a little worried about its bad attitude and its attempts to bite me. I asked the camel drivers if the animals were indigenous to the island (which was the last post of the French Foreign Legion)and he said "No, they come from Libya". Now I understand!
Grace 12/27/2012 6:47:29 PM Report

Comments please!
steelworker 12/27/2012 6:54:40 PM Report

The blank space is where you nodded off with your finger on the space bar. Time for a high colonic to clear your mind then off to bed. Funny how some people think they have a right to disrupt other peoples lives but when then are called to task on it they whip out their "racist" card or the equally famous "redneck" deck of cards.
Grace 12/27/2012 6:58:33 PM Report

Shakes I agree ...we have it pretty good
But no system is perfect and not all agree with what happens in Ottawa.
Will the protests change the direction of the relationship between First Nations and Canada...for the good or the bad?
mallet 12/27/2012 7:00:10 PM Report


I just checked my local rag for petrol (gas) prices, so in Norwich (rhymes with porridge) there are 29 outlets within 5 miles and the price is 130.2 pounds per litre.. As you so succinctly put it, Bill 45 is so obscure in pertaining to all that it will be near immposible to get everybody to oppose it. First Nations people oppose because they claim it infringes on their Treaty rights which they should protest and also on the lakes and waterways, however as Provincial regulations also cover lakes and waterways, so I am not sure why they would want to protest that particular item in the bill. I also am cynical enough that you are right that as the end nears Harper will step aside and let a fresh face go into the next election...
steelworker 12/27/2012 7:04:25 PM Report

Don't worry mallet,I think Harper will be around for some time. It's being reported in the National Post that Spence has a bank account for donations for her "hunger strike". It's being managed by her boyfriend. Please donate suckers.
shakespeare 12/27/2012 7:12:38 PM Report

Grace: definitely for the bad!
I honestly don't think Harper nor any other P.M. in recent history gives a rat's ass about the First Nations; it's just that he disguises it less well than others. He has his reform agenda and he'll do as much as he can to ram it through, before he leaves someone else to battle Trudeau or Garneau.
shakespeare 12/27/2012 7:26:59 PM Report

steely: I aways find you, if not unintelligent, a little naive. Of course there is a fundraiser for her. What did you expect? I know you may not believe it, but there are fundraisers and donations given to the Conservative Party to bolster Harper ... really!!!
mallet 12/27/2012 7:30:39 PM Report


Ah, for a moment you had me going there, then I read what was in the brackets. Yes, I met a few of those ex legionnaires, which surprised me as to why the Americans thought they could do better in Vietnam, Dien Bien Phu sort of springs to mind, and of course the various places that sort of thing happened to the U S years later. Now as they approach another sort of surrounding, I wonder of the outcome of this one...
mallet 12/27/2012 7:34:45 PM Report


It is getting near a full moon so you have to expect to see those who are afflicted by that phase, out there carvorting and doing whatever it is those people do.. give till it hurts I always say... personally I have a extremely low pain threshold...
steelworker 12/27/2012 7:45:02 PM Report

Sorry shakey but at least Harper is doing something. A "hunger strike" with a bank account? Really? Fish broth must cost a lot (especially if it's made with lobsters and garlic butter). I smell fraud.
northernmale 12/27/2012 8:03:15 PM Report

I would like to start out by saying I decided I would take the time to read billc-45. I must say I have to admire those who have read it and can understand it God Bless them.. So I will not judge why it is being protested. The only thing I see that chief Dean Sayers should have corrected in this protest was allowing the Canadian flag to be flown up side down. To me this is an insult to all Canadians.My dad was wounded in the war my mother had family that never came back. I am sure we also had many in native familys also.These man and woman gave there lifes so you and I have the rite of freedom of speach as well as all things we all enjoy today.. I hope this will not be allowed to ever happen again.
sweetc 12/27/2012 8:16:20 PM Report

I think I would like to take an ak47 or whatever equivilent and go to Cambodia and wait in the bars for the sweaty white sex tourists who prey on children. CAn't seem to catch them legally?... Let them all eat a few well placed bullets.
Brianne 12/27/2012 10:55:31 PM Report

Another massive Chinese-owned resource project is before Prime Minister Stephen Harper's cabinet.

Some time in the new year, four federal ministers are to decide how to conduct an environmental review for the Izok Corridor proposal. It could bring many billions of dollars into the Arctic but would also see development of open-pit mines, roads, ports and other facilities in the centre of calving grounds for the fragile Bathurst caribou herd.

Wobbler 12/28/2012 1:05:26 AM Report


"These man and woman gave there lifes so you and I have the rite of freedom of speach as well as all things we all enjoy today.. I hope this will not be allowed to ever happen again."

Aren't the First Nation People exercising that right of freedom of speech by flying the flag upside down? I feel that they are letting the Canadian government know that they are not happy with Bill C-45!!
Wobbler 12/28/2012 1:14:42 AM Report


Bell's Point Pet Cemetery
1719 Trunk Rd Sault Ste Marie, Ontario P6A 6X9

My niece had a dog cremated across the river and they apparently cremate many animals at the same time and divide the ashes into many urns. So I recommend the pet cemetery over cremation.
skipper dave 12/28/2012 1:58:37 AM Report

Hey maybe first in last out. No one is denying that Canada is not in reasonably sound state - What I decry is where we could have been because of Harper. We held all the cards to see us thru in glorious fashion. One by one thru mismanagement he would drop another to erode our economic global stance. If he had done nothing we would have been better off. It's those godamn malemute eyes. There's evil there.
steelworker 12/28/2012 2:16:37 AM Report

15 days and her chin looks the same.Pardon me.
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