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View Room Comments for Sunday, Dec. 23 2012

Sunday, December 23, 2012   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 12/23/2012 6:21:45 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo! The little ones are flying home today and we are left with a quiet intimate family christmas. Again change gears and resist the temptations to just fill in the dead air spots. I'm composing a short list of thanks for some of our blog members. I cannot do service to you all but hopefully over the next few days.
rw- You and I are more alike then I care to admit maybe that's why the sparks "fly" I've kicked you in the colognes more then once and had to apologize the once for going way over the line. Yet when I was most vulnerable you were one of the first to offer support. For that I thank you. (And going to the SAH on a daily basis has demonstrated how terrible our city water tastes. I have sweet well water and if I need a new filtering system you are it.)
FLY - you are truly one of the most fascinating, articulate, life wise gentlemen I've ever had the pleasure to meet. Thank you for sharing that knowledge. I do, like I'm sure the rest of us enjoy your head butting with "rw".
Status = What a delightful mix. Your calling is beyond this towns requirement for an honest auto mechanic with integrity. I see you as an outrage's political scientist holding court in your own column. keep up the observations this blog would be flat without you. P.S. ever been to sea Billy?
Nanag - you are the inspiration you so often talk about. I listen to you putting one foot in front of the other and obviously your journey has been a struggle. I'm still convinced the most beautiful pottery comes from the hottest part of the kiln. As we grow in our own worth of self we come to understand that the transformation we seek in life is to accept all of ourselves just as we are with the power to respond to any situation how we choose,
We become our own heroes. Then and only then do you have enough to give away.

For all the rest i hope I'm the first today to tell you that you are loved and loveable and yes Steely that includes you. PS Steely my full status Step kids send you a big hug. (made that up) We will respect boundaries for the moment thanks!
Spellchecker 12/23/2012 6:35:23 AM Report

Skipper, great to see those two correct THENS. *
nanag 12/23/2012 7:38:42 AM Report

SKIPPER DAVE

I am both humbled and honored. Thank you

I could go on and on but ... my mouth is full of pecan cinnamon bun and my fingers are sticky.. can't be messing up the keys (MMMMMM... licking the good stuff off the fingers so I can type) :)

Only 2 more sleeps kids!!! yipppeee
skipper dave 12/23/2012 7:46:18 AM Report

Thanks Spelly and your on my list too. With you it's always been your most beautiful quality of walking up first with your hand out to greet me at the beginning of every sailing season. Wish everyone on here could see you as I see you masks and all?
frizz 12/23/2012 7:54:10 AM Report

I almost risk my being allowed to post here by stating my opinion on moderators pulling the ability to post yesterday regarding the blockade article. It angers me that we the taxpayer, have no right to our viewpoint when a hot topic such as that comes up. For starters, what do they think is going to happen when an isolated faction is again allowed to block a major highway three days before Christmas. Are we supposed to jump for joy, pick up plackcards and join them? I highly doubt it. People are angry. It is not the Prime Minister who is inconvenienced by this event and actions which hurt their fellow Ontarions do nothing to increase their support nor does it help to end racism, supposedly the majority goal. One faction, who continuously get preferential treatement,lets call it, gets to pull this stunt, supported by police whose salaries we pay, and we get told to suck it up and are told not to show anger towards them. I do not blame people for their stand yesterday. I do think sootoday has lost part of the charm and appeal of its roots for not simply deleting posts that were too extreme, while letting the public have a place to voice their anger. They might as well have not posted the story at all if they thought it was too sensitive for the public to handle and indeed they knew full well their attempts to obsure who was behind it would come out within a post or two. The truth is, we are angry, both at the group who persist in blocking OUR access routes, the forces who won't let anyone else but one particular segment block highways, and for the media which are acting like eastern block dicatators for not allowing at least some of the anger people are feeling to get out there. If sootoday is worried about the loss of advertising dollars by allowing people to speak I think they should realize some of their advertisers are posters and the customer base of the advertisers are speaking too. All of these actions, by every group yesterday are the reasons why racism doesnt die, and attempts at suppression of public opinion causes bigger wars in the end in the world. Take a look at history. All of the actions yesterday, the protest group, the police and the media are not being taken lightly by the public and public opinion should be allowed to vent on some level....
skipper dave 12/23/2012 8:08:02 AM Report

Lighter side of Christmas past - I revealed that I am a recovering catlick - well Christmas mass was obligatory as you well know and it was our habit to attend midnight mass (the lower mass in the basement not the high mass upstairs.) My family were in place downstairs while I shamelessly flirted with my first true love. I was seventeen and formally attired in my new christmas finery which included a brand new pair of leather shoes. My hormones were in overdrive and I lost all sense of time. I caught the opening call to mass and bounded for the top step of three flights of wooden stairs leading down to salvation. Bear in mind the steps were slick and both feet went somewhere I never intended. I managed to crash bang down all three flights and roll out onto the floor. Tradition says that in church seats fill up from the back to front and my loyal brood were all sitting in the front row. The priest in true catlick spirit judged me to be severely inebriated much like himself I was later to learn. He was a chronic chalice tipper. My mom and Dad's looks were enough to keep me rather subdued that festive season. Ain't love grand?
Grump 12/23/2012 8:23:10 AM Report

Good morning all. Skipper that was a great lesson, love is grand but as with your slide from grace on the stairs, it sure hurts like hell too at times. One more short work day and then it's Christmas. Oh well the boss is suggesting I get dressed for Church. Have a great day everyone.
flyhawk25 12/23/2012 8:26:38 AM Report

Skipper...I am thankful and humbled by your comment.
Funny but I liked your boat before I knew you so it's a natural progression it seems to admire the ship - admire the sailor.
Taking us with you on your voyage has been one of the true gifts of an open forum like this.
Yesterday it seemed everything I did and everywhere I went there were either traffic obstacles or rattled hurried people. Back here I had arranged for my daughter to be watching and waiting to come out to my car and take my groceries up to my place due to the broken elevator. When I pulled in front I got stuck and no sign of her.Thankfully two strangers pushed me out and I got down to the parking garage. When I got into the basement proper there she was in the laundry room. She had lost track of the time because of her disability. But she quickly apologized and said she was doing laundry for one of our neighbor ladies who could not navigate five flights.
Another found gift.
So I made the climb and she hauled my things upstairs in two trips.
Her ability to organize may be diminished but he ability to be kind and loving is not.
And so it is with you.While certain of your physical abilities may be diminished your ability to lead us to a better more gentle reality is increased.
Lead on captain. Lead on.
skipper dave 12/23/2012 9:01:54 AM Report

Fly as with all human beings it is not possible nor advised to stay in an open state of intimacy at all times so we retreat to discuss politics and plumbing problems and just serious pissed off emoting of feelings. We all have boundaries that were designed to keep us safe. Some I feel secure with other my spidy senses tingle. I have a sneaking suspicion you know I write more for my own cathartic healing. Leading I don't think so. Never been one to aspire to power. Now comforting one who is in pain I'm slowly learning. Intimacy = "Into-me-you-see."
You a non sailor have always coveted my old motor sailor I have more than a inkling she has the same attraction to me as yourself. Cute tight canoe stern (buttocks) high proud bow built to take anything the north sea can throw at her (she was built and saled over from England.) And her lovely tan sales on both main and mizzen masts that barely push her 14,000 lbs thru the water in a twenty knot breeze. When the rest of the sailboats are returning to the barn at Hilton the Celtic Cross is just beginning to kick up her heels. Ever been to sea Fly?
flyhawk25 12/23/2012 9:37:51 AM Report

Skipper...not even close.
The best I could do was an ill-fated trip from Michigan City Indiana to downtown Chicago in a 36' Carver in a storm. Cured me for life. The only other boat we saw was a Coast Guard rescue craft practicing - probably anticipating our demise.
Spelly did invite me many times but weather and health prohibited.
So we sit at the Tiltin' Hilton and sip cold ones.
Perhaps this summer...
right wing 12/23/2012 9:49:31 AM Report

skipper dave

Good reads.
You are definitely "in the spirit" in every way possible.
I only offer support because I have to build my opponents up just prior to knocking them down...otherwise it's just not as much fun.

;)

flyhawk25

You must have had sore legs...get rid of that peddle car, you won't get stuck.
right wing 12/23/2012 9:56:56 AM Report

...and I hope you thanked the two conservatives that pushed you out.
highway1 12/23/2012 10:17:27 AM Report

Frizz, comments on the blockade article were removed due to persistent inappropriate postings.
The mod should have removed and deactivated the accounts of those who persist in the racist remarks but let the civil discussions continue.
Just Curious 12/23/2012 10:51:12 AM Report

Highway 1 ;I scanned all 118 of the posts yesterday and didn't notice any that weren't racist to some degree on both sides. Sure got a lot of people's dander up,that did,good and bad.Can you imagine all the people that could just about smell that Timmies coffee yet couldn't get to it?
right wing 12/23/2012 10:55:41 AM Report

Just Curious

???? Not sure what you were scanning.

There were, mine included, lots of posts that had zero racism in them.
debo 12/23/2012 11:00:58 AM Report

ALL COMMENTS were removed regarding the traffic blockade ... and while many comments were racists others were not ... although they may have expressed sentiments against this tactic.

Unfortunately the PTB at Sootoday decided to shut down any discussion of the subject. I guess the easy/lazy way to do things is to censor EVERYTHING.
mallet 12/23/2012 11:06:11 AM Report

Highway 1...

I am not sure how you can have a discussion about one ethnic group from another without having some regard it as racist. Would you not say calling someone a "Limey" is not racist if the term is thought to be dorogatory by the person being so called? I am, and I am proud to be, but I am also Canadian now.Prehaps I am being a little simplistic, but as long as the is not a expletive in front, how is being called what you are racist? I think peoples skin has gotten too thin, when it comes to perceived insults, look where the words are coming from and then decide whether to tell the person/s to go have sex with themselves somewhere else...
northernmale 12/23/2012 11:28:01 AM Report

Skipper Dave just want to let you no how much I enjoy your post each morning. Funny how as we get older and our health changes we see things through difrent coloured glasses. We come to see just how short life is, and the times we have wasted. As for the highway block all I can say glad I was not in Winipeg as they blocked the road to the airport.Now that would upset me if I was catching a flight home.
highway1 12/23/2012 11:37:32 AM Report

Mallet, as far as your first point is concerned, you can have discussions regarding different cultures and races without racism being a part of the conversation. I suppose it depends on who you associate with.
As for the rest of your post, I just don't know what to say...
bounder 12/23/2012 11:45:27 AM Report

Well I for one want the duck back for Xmas.That individual he/she, has never made a racial slur that I read anywhere.Merry Xmas soon.
Grump 12/23/2012 12:05:54 PM Report

Re the road blocks. I have yet to decide if the First Nation organizers are smart as foxes or just plain dumb as hell. They may be playing to the world reaction by trying to create incidents at these blocades. That said this is also about the worst thing they could do to gain public support and is going to turn any support away from their cause. They also have picked a strange figurehead to head up their cause. Chief Spence and her cronies lived high on the hog while her band members lived in terrible conditions, got her new housing and refused to let the gov't look at the books. If First Nations want a different and a better deal they had better be prepared to be accountable. That would also mean living under the same rules as everyone else in Canada. Canadians for the most part are pretty easy going ,reasonable folks, but if this nonsense keeps up I think something bad will eventually happen. That would be a great shame on everyone.
Wicket 12/23/2012 12:12:58 PM Report

northernmale, if that is true that the highway to the airport was blocked, flights and connecting flights were missed - then, that action was just mean spirited and achieved only negative results I'm sure.
As per statements by the leaders, this is just the beginning and there will be many more disruptions in everyone's lives. What I don't understand is why no other groups of people affected by govt decisions are not also protesting. Why have the natives not invited anyone else to protest with them. Why is this recognized as a 'native thing' only?
BIG BROTHER 12/23/2012 12:33:58 PM Report

Wicket,
I recall the Native leaders requesting that the 'rest' of us join in. The omnibus bill, as passed by the Cons, is an overwhelmingly right wing agenda, looking past previous environmental concerns we all should have. It is over-reaching big time, with no Parliamentary debate. The 'bill' most directly affects the Native people, but it actually does directly affect all of us. And we (non native) are sitting back, not exercising our rights to protest. On some level, we should be thankful the Native People are protesting!!
BIG BROTHER 12/23/2012 12:53:00 PM Report

Harper is alienating many moderate Conservatives. That should tell us all something. Even some of the kool aid drinkers are preferring not to swallow anymore. This does not bode well for him and his party, in the long run and explains the preemptive attacks on Trudeau, a relative light weight, gaining momentum through the attacks. For that matter, Harper is a relative light weight character and wields way too much power. He is on the fast track to make changes, while he has the power, which will be so ingrained by the time he gets the boot, that the damage will be done. Canada will be largely unrecognizable to most of us, by the time he is done.
right wing 12/23/2012 12:56:54 PM Report

Now there is a mostly misleading post.
Oh surprise...
I would encourage all to read the bill and exactly what it does and does not do.
Read why the First Nations are using this to protest.
It is not what the Harper haters are attempting to make it out to be.

right wing 12/23/2012 12:59:52 PM Report

"Harper is alienating many moderate Conservatives."

Really.
...and young Trudeau does not have the confidence or support of many moderate Liberals.

Thanks for the laugh....no really, thanks.
Grump 12/23/2012 1:14:08 PM Report

rw Hang in there, the Harper ship will go down just as surely as Mitt's sank. Your steadfast support will make it happen. Merry Christmas.
Wicket 12/23/2012 1:26:57 PM Report

right wing, I do not follow all of the political jargon, nor do I understand much of it. It is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaf (whatever that word is). That being said, if our lakes and rivers are no longer protected, why are the hunters, fishermen, lodge owners, etc. also not protesting? It seems that the type of protests that are being held do not set well with most folk and therefore there will not be a physical support of the cause that should be shared by all of us.
Better organization and publicity ahead of time in a constructive way as seen by most, would probably achieve more positive results, and perhaps some of us would actually join in and express our views in support of same.
Kudos to 'the people' who do actually go out and do something, I just wish it would be in a more constructive way that the average Canadian would see and support.
Brianne 12/23/2012 1:39:16 PM Report

Went for a walk down to the station mall......sidewalks and roads are meagerly plowed down here.... fell 3 times on the sidewalk ( not due to ice, but big clumps of snow everywhere)...roads are a mess.......... guess the city doesn't care about the downtown core and plowing.

Now, i get to go lay down for the next 3 days to rest my back that i threw out from falling.......... thanks !
Wicket 12/23/2012 1:47:15 PM Report

Brianne, we were out this a.m. and noticed that the streets had not been plowed but saw a couple of sanders putting sand on the road mess....
Plow first, sand second...simple concept.
right wing 12/23/2012 1:48:55 PM Report

Brianne

Stop drinking before you go.

;)
mallet 12/23/2012 1:49:44 PM Report

Big Brother and Wicket...

I read just the point lines of this bill, and from the comment of the protesters yesterday they were complaining about the fact that lakes and rivers were not being protected, and about the situations on some of the reserves up north. Okay, now I cannot say why there is so much poverty on the northern reserves, the media only wants to highlight the plight not the root causes, and that is where most get the news from. Now as to the rivers and lakes, from what I read or understood the Feds were keeping their responsibility for Navigable waters and leaving the little streams and lakes to the various provincial Ministry's of Natural Resouces, that is how I understood it to mean. Should someone want to dam a stream for hydro power then one layer of enviromental procedures would be eliminated, making it quicker and easier to do whatever. Another of the protesters said he wanted to educate to public as to this bill's effects on the enviroment, having hundreds of vehicles idling away spewing co2 is not exactly helping, or is it? You want to educate the public, hand out brouchures, make a video, sitting in a queue of vehicles is not going to educate many people...
right wing 12/23/2012 1:57:52 PM Report

Wicket

People should actually read what these bills are in their entirety and understand exactly what they will and will not do.
Instead many jump on the headline bandwagon always present courtesy of the opposing parties.
I love it when somebody states to me "I don't like Harper and the conservatives" and I get to ask "really, why."
That's when the stammering usually starts.
I have no problem when somebody can and does present a concrete reason based on fact, makes for good debate, but that is sadly far and few between.
...and I find that for all political parties, people actually side themselves with a party but when asked do not even know what that parties policies and beliefs really are.
right wing 12/23/2012 2:00:16 PM Report

mallet....exactly, we are basically on the same page.

How lazy are people when they will not read for themselves but will jump up and down joining in with the crowd mentality.
BIG BROTHER 12/23/2012 2:13:12 PM Report

rw,
For all your yapping, you'd think you may take your own advice. Harper is not a conservative in the sense you're talking. He is a Reformer, pure and simple. The reform party are the extreme (in Canadian terms, the equivalent of communism on the left) fringe of political ideology. They don't represent the traditional conservative values we knew in Canada.

An omnibus bill is a way to sneak in legislation by burying it so deep in paper, a Philadelphia lawyer would spend a lifetime weeding through. They should be outlawed. Legislation should not be sweeping; it should be presented, one item at a time, and debated. If it is worthy, it will pass the smell test.
mallet 12/23/2012 2:23:06 PM Report

Big Brother and Wicket...

I read just the point lines of this bill, and from the comment of the protesters yesterday they were complaining about the fact that lakes and rivers were not being protected, and about the situations on some of the reserves up north. Okay, now I cannot say why there is so much poverty on the northern reserves, the media only wants to highlight the plight not the root causes, and that is where most get the news from. Now as to the rivers and lakes, from what I read or understood the Feds were keeping their responsibility for Navigable waters and leaving the little streams and lakes to the various provincial Ministry's of Natural Resouces, that is how I understood it to mean. Should someone want to dam a stream for hydro power then one layer of enviromental procedures would be eliminated, making it quicker and easier to do whatever. Another of the protesters said he wanted to educate to public as to this bill's effects on the enviroment, having hundreds of vehicles idling away spewing co2 is not exactly helping, or is it? You want to educate the public, hand out brouchures, make a video, sitting in a queue of vehicles is not going to educate many people...
Brianne 12/23/2012 2:28:19 PM Report

rw......... I don't drink....... last time i had a beer was at one of the summits at wacky wings......last winter :P
mallet 12/23/2012 2:32:08 PM Report

In Other News....

Today Chelsea beat Aston Villa 8 nothing... Bet Paul Lambert, their Manager, regrets leaving Norwich City now!!!!
Snobank 12/23/2012 2:38:24 PM Report

I agree in principle that one should read a bill before complaining about it, (although I suspect it might be written in legal jargon I may not understand.) My question is, "Where do you find the bill to read it?"
I may sound naive to some but I honestly don't know. Any help, links etc. would be appreciated.
nanag 12/23/2012 3:10:01 PM Report

the bad road conditions are not only in the downtown core.. the mess is everywhere.. I worked today and went from one end of town to the other and didn't see one plow not even at 7:30 this morning. Very few sidewalks plowed.. I can see not being out there at height of shopping hours but early this morning was sparse traffic.That cookie dough snow is a B**ch to drive in.
sparks7 12/23/2012 3:14:46 PM Report

Miller

Having a few SECRET lakes in one's packsack is always a good thing.However,knowing THE SECRET to fishing many lakes can be almost or just as good IMO.I suppose knowing the required secret to fishing a secret lake is probably the best kind of secret of all!I was trying to figure a way to weedle a clue or two out of you as to the location of some of your secret lakes.After pondering on it for a spell I had to give it up as an exercise in futility in a public forum.What is your favorite beer Miller?Perhaps sometime we could sit down together and drink a case or so.It would be on me.I tell you what,it's Christmas time so I don't mind sharing a clue or two about where some of my secret lakes are.One of them is up Logging Truck Road.
skipper dave 12/23/2012 3:18:05 PM Report

Oh oh Snowbank - hang on and rw will point out paragraph and line of any bill ever passed in our legislature. He is the el supremo Google Guru of this site.
mallet 12/23/2012 3:19:33 PM Report

Snobank...

Just type in "Bill 45" in your browser and it will take you there and you should be able to sort it out from there... as long as you are a lawyer...
Grump 12/23/2012 3:41:46 PM Report

rw Come on now you can't be that naive. Any omnibus bill that gets rammed through without any debate or time to examine it is not democratic and sure as hell isn't in the best interest of Canadians. Not only does the average Canadian not read these bills, a few are dumb enough to believe they are in our best interest.
Wicket 12/23/2012 3:52:31 PM Report

So basically, if you read all the mumble jumble of govt papers, you come to your own conclusions and then get to argue on here who is right, who is left, who is middle, neo-con (still don't understand that term), who is wrong. Again - interpretation is in the mind of the beholder.
BIG BROTHER 12/23/2012 4:25:53 PM Report

Wicket,
Neo means new. As in brand new, with old connections. if you know what a conservative is and where they fit on the political ideological continuum , then think of new as meaning further towards the extreme. The term neo-nazi is thrown around and a connotation we here frequently. It is a reference to Hitler's boy's only further to the right.

The republicans are conservative; the tea party folks are more extreme...ergo, neo-cons. The reform are more extreme to the right than the progressive conservatives were. Ergo, neo cons. I hope this helps. I'm sure someone will have a better description, but that's my read.
mallet 12/23/2012 4:27:28 PM Report

Wicket....

Why do you think so many lawyers are MPs or MPPs, it is so to pass legislation that only another lawyer understands.. It has been this way for as long as I can remember, after all you only need two laws after the Highway traffic act, thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal, wasn't until lawyers came along that things changed to burglary and housebreaking, theft under and over $5000, murder 1st and 2nd degree and manslaughter. If there is a way to make money lawyers will figure it out, and they will keep fighting until you run out of money!!!
Snobank 12/23/2012 4:31:59 PM Report

Thanks for your advice Mallet. I did try googling Bill 45 and thousands of hits. If the bill is hiding in there I can't find it. Everything is commentary or news items related to Bill 45. I'm going to try to refine my terms a bit and see if I can bore in and find it.
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 4:36:34 PM Report

Snobank, this might be it.

http://parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5942521
Brianne 12/23/2012 4:38:42 PM Report

Snowbank, here it is, in pdf form, 457 pages long......... don't fall asleep :)

http://www2.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/C-45-Jobs-and-Growth-Act-2012.pdf
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 4:42:07 PM Report

All sorts of info about the bill here:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Bill=C45&Parl=41&Ses=1
Snobank 12/23/2012 4:54:43 PM Report

Thanks folks. It is available as a 330 km pdf file available for downloading.

From the looks of it, it would take days to read and comprehend. Let me give you and example. I choose the 3rd page, two paragraphs, at random, as an example of it's readability.

"J. Avoidance of Tax Through the Use of Partnerships
This measure has two parts, both intended to ensure that partnerships cannot be used
to circumvent the intended application of certain sections of the Income Tax Act.
First, where there is a winding-up of a subsidiary corporation to which section 88 (or an
amalgamation to which subsection 87(11)) of the Income Tax Act applies, the measure
reduces the amount of a “bump” (i.e., a step-up in cost base) in respect of a partnership
interest acquired on the winding-up if the partnership holds certain types of property.
The bump is generally reduced to the extent that the accrued gain in respect of the
partnership interest is reasonably attributable to unrealized gains in respect of income
assets held by the partnership such as inventory, depreciable property and resource
property. This part of the measure generally applies to amalgamations that occur, and
windings-up that begin, on or after March 29, 2012. Transitional relief is provided for
transactions in progress."

Some of the posters on this site must be secret lawyers or geniuses. They keep saying "read the act" when others criticize. I have kind of a suspicioun they are blowing smoke and have not read all the act.

At the same time I know everyone who posts here is a bastion of honesty and integrity and if you say you have read it all I believe you.

I ask all posters who have actually read all the act to state publically on this site that they have. I will accept your statement as fact. Of course, since I have not read or comprehended all the act I will ask you a number of direct, detailed, pertinent, specific questions about the portions of the act that I either don't comprehend or, in my slow witted way, don't seem to agree with.

Please step up now and state that you have read the entire act so I can seek clarification from you. (If you haven't read the act you don't have to say anything unless you want to.)

I await the statements from those posters who have read the act.
Wicket 12/23/2012 4:54:50 PM Report

Thanks everyone for the input.
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 5:04:49 PM Report

I haven't read the Bill and have no intentions of reading it. Guess that makes me lazy! The days of understanding it are gone for me now (head injury from 6 years ago). It just makes my mind go in knots.
skipper dave 12/23/2012 5:23:00 PM Report

Snobank - Legislative language written by lawyers for lawyers is designed to be exclusionary. Keeps the lawyers in a closed shop and employed. Basically it's demeaning to the lay person and I chaff at the bit when they slip into that mode. You find medical and I.T. people doing the same and if you look real close they have a little chub on.
Jimssm 12/23/2012 5:25:23 PM Report

I haven't read the bill and don't intend to. Another lazy one, I guess.

right wind...since you're defending it, I am surmising you have read it. Could you post a Cole's Notes version of it for the rest of us Plebeians ?
sparks7 12/23/2012 5:30:23 PM Report

Snowbank

Now you,sir are a natural born fisherman if i ever did see one!Sizing up conditions and bait presentation are second to none.You set the hook beautifully.Can't wait to watch you reel em in and land them.
mallet 12/23/2012 6:04:02 PM Report

Skipper Dave...

If it were left to me, there would only be allowed one lawyer per party to sit in parliament, and that would only because you cant have a good argument without one in politics. As they would be outnumbered they could only fume at the idea, that laws would be understandable by the people who have to follow them, no "where as's" or anything like that... Just simple plain language that anyone can understand, of course this will never happen, but maybe one day!!
Just Curious 12/23/2012 6:16:13 PM Report

Just as a total off-side to nothing in particular, reference was made to a couple of old sayings in the last few posts that kind of tickled me. Getting a bit tired of all this semi-serious debate this close to Christmas anyway..

Wicket,seperating the wheat from the CHAFF is an old farm term which is meant to seperate fact from bullcrap...LOL..And Skipper, some things really can CHAFE you if you let them..I'm sure Spelly will be here in a minute correcting me but this was only meant tongue in cheek anyway..

In all seriousness tho,skipper,I read your stuff every morning and Identify with most of it. Although I am not going thru the Chemo and radiation I am still fighting the same battle,They just keep taking parts off as they get bad. Amazing really what one can live without when it comes down to it. You keep hanging in there and posting your take on life,you are sure as hell an inspiration to me..

Merry christmas to your and yours Skipper,and to all the other posters on this site.. Ok, Now carry on...
flyhawk25 12/23/2012 6:18:22 PM Report

Well we have an MP and an MPP who are not lawyers representing us.
Hmm...so how is that working?
nanag 12/23/2012 6:21:40 PM Report

Okay kids I have been ppprrreeetttyyy quiet today on here.. (I know a lot of you are saying ohh thank goodness)

I hate politics cuz I don't understand it and choose not to understand it(makes my head hurt)

So since I "listen" to your stuff I figure it's only fair you listen to mine ( Ohh I hear the clicking of every body scrolling by bahahahah)

I "officially " started my weekend at 1 o'clock this afternoon and it runs until I go to bed. I did a wee bit of last minute shopping, finished my baking, did a pile of dishes, have almost finished knitting the last 2 Christmas gifts, tidied up and NOW I am going to change the washers on the taps in the bathroom.. when that is done I am going to dance around the living room listening to toe tapping music and why have I done all this ??? BECAUSE .... PITTSBURGH LOST AND I AM PIS**D OFF

If you hear a lot of gurgling send the Plummer...

I know this kind of crap annoys a lot of you but hey it's Christmas and sometimes I like to annoy :)
Snobank 12/23/2012 6:22:47 PM Report

suspicioun = suspicion

Thanks to Mallet, Pink Peony and Brianne for helping me locate the Omnibus Bill. Also, I appreciate the honesty of the replies by Pink Peony, Skipper dave and Jimssm. Sparks7, I blush.

No one has yet stepped up and declared they have read all the bill. Oh well, it might be just a coincidence that all the experts aren't on line this afternoon. I'll call on them again tomorrow. We need their insight whenever any of the rest of us venture to express an opinion.
Norm 12/23/2012 6:39:24 PM Report

Pulling all the posts would be easier than going through them all to find which one's might be deemed racist. Maybe some laziness going on at SooToday. I don't know.
nanag 12/23/2012 7:00:19 PM Report

Ohh woe is me

Why does the word Plumber have a "b" in it.. sorry to all the Plumbers for the mispell
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 7:02:02 PM Report

I just watched a video of someone separating wheat from the chaff/threshing wheat by hand. Wow...talk about time consuming! Learn something new every day!
mallet 12/23/2012 7:06:27 PM Report

Flyhawk 25..

Neither are lawyers, I know, but they toe the party line so close that should the leader stop suddenly, you would need a colon surgeon to remove them. It is just that sometimes people have to make complicated that which is simple, and lawyers seem to be the worst of them...
shakespeare 12/23/2012 7:31:11 PM Report

More support for teachers than government? It can't be so. RW proclaimed the other day that there was very little public support for teachers, and his own "valid" and "reliable" data from his 'honking survey' supported his thesis.
I,too, am waiting for the "Omnibus Bill for Dummies" summary that rw will be providing shortly. I, too, am embarrassed that I haven't perused it, and I, like BB, was suspicious of a wide-ranging bill rammed through by a government that I foolishly thought was being sleazy and less than transparent.
Silly me!

BTW who wants to be part of the NRA's brave new world?
Wicket 12/23/2012 7:36:44 PM Report

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Wicket 12/23/2012 7:36:59 PM Report

niner
shakespeare 12/23/2012 7:43:20 PM Report

Congrats Wicket, a pre-Christmas niner. Hope to see you on 27th. Family are up. but I hope to sneak out for an hour or so.
mallet 12/23/2012 7:58:42 PM Report

Snobank...

Actually that bill is in the words of Robin Williams, given to people who have insomnia and do not respond to heavy medication!! If you can read through it without falling asleep you will be a contender for the Guinness Book of Records.
Wicket 12/23/2012 8:25:41 PM Report

Shakey, hope you are able to make it, even if just to grab a bite to eat and a 'hi' to everyone...
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 8:28:46 PM Report

Wicket, what is the niner thing about? Or is it a secret?
Budster 12/23/2012 9:35:09 PM Report

Wicket is your party on the 27th or 28th??? I thought the 28th.
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 9:42:22 PM Report

I've been looking at this page off and on.

http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-1/C-45/?page=1

I scrolled down to the very bottom of the page and read this:

"This is not a government site. Not even sort of.
Questions, suggestions, complaints, epic poetry? E-mail, or our feedback forum."

Ahhhh hahahahahahahaha
Pink Peony 12/23/2012 9:43:12 PM Report

Hi Budster. I have my calendar marked for the 28th.
flyhawk25 12/23/2012 9:52:46 PM Report

shakes...good question about the NRA.
Imagine if there were armed personnel in every school. Now imagine if your old elementary school teacher could even pack a gun.You know - that nice lady in the print dress who smelled like lavender and forgot where she left her glasses.Grandma Rambo.
And her hubby who retired 14 years ago and had a job as a greeter at Walmart but got a better job as a security guard in her school because he was a veteran.Grandpa Rambo.
I don't know about you but I'm sure the NRA would believe that our schools would be more secure.
Until she drops her piece in the washroom, he hears the gunshot and goes in gun blazing.
Welcome to the brace new world of Charlton Heston School where every child gets to watch two armed seniors blast away at each other in the belief that any silhouette over five feet tall is a serial killer.
Makes me warm and fuzzy.
shakespeare 12/23/2012 9:57:24 PM Report

My mistake: 28th it is!
PP As far as I know the 69 thing refers to a kind of good luck charm dating back to medieval times with the reversed numbers kind of hugging each other. Right, Wicket ???
Wicket 12/23/2012 11:18:37 PM Report

THE party (not my party, I just provide a facility) is on FRIDAY, the 28th...

Shakey - no comment, PP - will discuss at party.
Guenther_Of_The_Apes 12/23/2012 11:45:21 PM Report

Hey Flyhawk...

Since we're dealing with the outrageous, how's this one?

Your little old lady teacher is working to rule (altruistic level 100++ right?). Her contract doesn't say she 'has' to protect her students.

The parents are not allowed to enter the school after hours, because of 'insurance' concerns, and the SWAT team all have children attending this particular school.

It sounds to me like the son of a deranged gun owner allowed to take the lives of innocent children because a teacher would not sign over some banked sick days!

Ain't it great to make generalisations?
skipper dave 12/24/2012 12:50:55 AM Report

I am very clear om what the NRA doesn't want - Have they defined what it is they are willing to give up? The general public has voiced it's disdain for military style assault rifles. Can we both agree on that or are they digging in their heels and bringing their full mite to bear. Maybe shaming is the way to go?
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