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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Dec. 11 2012

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skipper dave 12/11/2012 6:22:44 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo.

The sale of the Canadian oil company Nexen to the Chinese on Friday has my testis in a knot. And not because it may not be good for Canada it is personal. Harper's arrogance at saying the details of the sale cannot be disclosed at this time really pushes my buttons. What's to hide. Did I not give him my vote (and I did) to represent me and my fellow Canadians. Methinks both Federal and Provincial have operated with such an air of entitlement and there is so much swept under the rug that both levels of government are operating under damage control. I think if we opened the books we would have to have Weldwood standing by to fumigate. As Fly states, thank god for the net and instant access to information. The politicians have fewer dark places to formulate the new party song.
bounder 12/11/2012 6:30:44 AM Report

Good morning.
Notes.
The pink and green are making me blue.
Lord make me the person my dog thinks I am.
Last night I dreamed you cameback,(I woke up screaming).
If two of us are the same,then one of us is unnecessary.
Your partner dos'nt love me anymore.
I love you,I'm stupid.
Have a nice day.
Mr. Poster 12/11/2012 7:04:36 AM Report

I still have a hard time accepting Canada selling off resources...especially to CHINA.. Why can we not employ Canadians to develop resources??
celest5 12/11/2012 7:10:06 AM Report

Bounder, what kind of dog do you have?.
I use to have a pure bred black lab named Blacky and a pointer named Tawny.
AceOfBass 12/11/2012 7:27:19 AM Report

Chill out it is only like between 1 to 3%. Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.It 's a good deal with China.
Jimssm 12/11/2012 7:30:07 AM Report

Ace...

"it's a good deal with China"

How would we know if it's a good deal, since the details are being kept secret.

Kept secret.... why ???
flyhawk25 12/11/2012 7:42:24 AM Report

Jimssm...obviously because we won't understand the Big Picture.
Trust our beloved PM. You don't think that he would harm you do you?
nanag 12/11/2012 7:49:53 AM Report

Good Morning Everyone

Nice to "hear" from you this morning Skipper Dave

Have a great day everyone be safe and stay warm.
skipper dave 12/11/2012 8:05:04 AM Report

Mr. Poster - In fairness to the Conservatives we are not selling off our natural resources, we are selling off a Canadian firm developing those resources. The resources are still ours by legislation. Yes, I find it confusing. It's the secrecy that drives me nuts.
Right Winger 12/11/2012 8:11:53 AM Report

All you people quit your whining. Our natural resources have been being sold off long before Harper became PM. Our forests, minerals, natual gas, oil. China already supplies us with everything we buy, and it isn't because of any legislation. Look around your house today and see how much you yourself support Canada's manufacturing and retail sector.

At least China wants to shop here while most of us don't.
right wing 12/11/2012 8:25:05 AM Report

Skipper dave

Well lets see if we can help your nuts stop driving you.
Other have tried to provide some facts on the deal but of course the hysteria over the "secrecy" thrown in with a measure of the Harper Haters and you get a mountain of misinformation.
The agreement is not shrouded in secrecy, you might have to be a Harvard Lawyer to understand it all but it has been broken down into simpler terms.
This is, at the core, the same agreement that Canada has signed with many other countries.


The Nation Post

"In the version making the rounds on the Internet, the agreement is a charter of rights for Chinese investors, entitling them to prohibitive amounts in compensation for any costs imposed on them by Canadian laws and regulations, notably with respect to the environment. Their demands would be enforced by secret arbitration tribunals, who would have carte blanche to interpret the treaty in all sorts of fanciful ways."

Now to read more.

http://tinyurl.com/bdx3za6

flyhawk25 12/11/2012 8:43:10 AM Report

My goodness I feel better already.
I just knew Stephen Harper had my best interests at heart.
And you're right. I'm not a lawyer so there is no way I could ever muddle my way through this.
So I'll just trust the PM.
Harper is good for me.
Harper is good for me.
Harper is good for me...
I'm too stupid to understand.
I'm too stupid to understand.
I'm too stupid to understand...
Wonderful!
I feel enlightened already and I haven't even finished my coffee.
Thank you!
mallet 12/11/2012 9:05:52 AM Report

Flyhawk 25...

I am not sure but I think I heard that old chestnut being bandied about, "I cannot give you details due to the Privacy Act". Now I really have no idea who first drew up that fine piece of legislation, but it seems everyone and their uncle now hides behind that. From my perspective, it seems the intent was reasonable, but like every bit of recent legislation, and I don't mean just this present government, legislation has slowly been creeping in to negate the "Freedom of Information Act" under the guise of "Privacy"..
Right Winger 12/11/2012 9:06:08 AM Report

hawk, as you have mentioned the details fo the sale are not out, and I bet you nor I nor almost anyone on this site would understand them. Now do I like that your resources are being sold? Not really.

That being said how do you think the US banking sector feels about RBC TD and other Canadian banks operating in the US, but we don't allow them here? How about Canadian companies that own companies in China that use their natural resources?

You are not too stupid to understand, but you are too stubborn to.
right wing 12/11/2012 9:10:11 AM Report

No flyhawk you have it correct.

In your world Stephen Harper, The Phantom Menace and our Prime Minister, cares nothing about his country Canada or its Canadian citizens.
As pure evil nothing will prevent him from completing his real(?) agenda.
On your planet, known as Taboo, world of hypocrisy, ears are plugged at any criticisms of Obama because after all, as Imperial leader of Taboo, you have stated many times, he is the President of the United States...do you really believe he would do such evil things purposefully.
Ain't dual citizenship grand!
Wisenheimer 12/11/2012 9:14:46 AM Report

Mr. Poster .. to clear your muddification. Canadians don't have "deep enough pockets" to fund oil sands development. (need upwards of 600 billion in the next 10 years.) CNOOC can not take the oil home with them, need to pay taxes and royalties on production, like every body else. Essar and Tenaris saved the Sault's economy with their "deep pockets". So it goes.
Just Curious 12/11/2012 9:18:15 AM Report

Don't really care much about the Nexen deal as I probably won't be around by the time it's signed,if ever,but I watched a bit of the CTV news last night and heard something interesting about it. Seems that our neighbor to the south actually gets the final say on the deal and that's not been decided yet. Nexen aparently has several rigs in the gulf of Mexico in US waters and the deal can't pass until the US decides it can and there is some question about that...
right wing 12/11/2012 9:39:11 AM Report

Clamping Down on Puffers in Elliot Lake

Now how could a city ban asthma inhalers!

Grump 12/11/2012 9:49:52 AM Report

Well boys I may be a suspicious old guy and I'm not a Harper fan. That said if I had a Lawyer who was trying to hustle a deal through and couldn't give me all the details then I know for sure if I didn't walk away I would be getting it big time. This Harper gov't have pulled too much of this secretive crap to be trusted across the street let alone with our future
flyhawk25 12/11/2012 9:52:14 AM Report

Awww rw...
To say that I do not criticize President Obama is simply not true.
My disgust of bad leadership, transparency and honesty is bipartisan.
Once again you attack the writer not the argument.
My citizenship is not germane to the issue. Nor is my religion, career choice or sexuality.
What matters is politicians who act unilaterally in a supposed democracy.
Recently I have been critical of McGuinty's handling of Ontario besides Harper's rough ride over the nation.
In the past I have been publicly critical of Tony Martin's positions on issues.
Your position of blindly supporting all things conservative is myopic.
Notwithstanding the fact that you appear to be an expert on almost any topic I don't agree.
I acknowledge your expertise in plumbing.
Everything else seems skewed.
Right.
right wing 12/11/2012 9:57:27 AM Report

...and I am sure that you believe all that you just posted 100%.
My "sainthood" something to strive for.

LMAO
right wing 12/11/2012 10:01:53 AM Report

"This Harper gov't have pulled too much of this secretive crap to be trusted across the street let alone with our future"

Grump Fiction

You wouldn't want to clarify that statement any would you, the "too much" part, the "secretive crap"...no I thought not.
Another bipartisan opinion.

skipper dave 12/11/2012 10:19:49 AM Report

RW I have a great deal of respect for your intelligence and I know you rush in to say white to Fly's black. Truth be told doesn't your sphincter muscle tighten just a little when someone talks down to you be it Harper or Clement. You are by admission a staunch conservative but do you sometimes wonder who is driving our bus if anyone along the 401?
Right Winger 12/11/2012 10:23:06 AM Report

RW or rw?
Wicket 12/11/2012 10:32:13 AM Report

Oh, oh, too confusing.... must move on... no, I don't mean the politics but the two posters who are following one behind the other -
Right Winger and
right wing....
It's enough to make a person feel discombobulated!
Grump 12/11/2012 10:43:19 AM Report

rw if you took off those rose coloured glasses all you would have to do is read and listen as it certainly is public knowledge. That said if you want to continue to keep your head buried in the, the, the, uh , uh sand then so be it. LMAO
Wisenheimer 12/11/2012 11:02:58 AM Report

Skipper .. my sphincter muscle tightens when I entertain the thought of Justin Trudeau or Mulcair having anything to do with our economy.
Grump 12/11/2012 11:18:29 AM Report

Wisen and this is after Harper burying us in debt and his retreaded clown Finance Minister who hasn't come close to getting it right yet?
bounder 12/11/2012 11:38:44 AM Report

Gas prices in town.
I don'nt know about you people but I think that they all have broken price indicators.
Collusion, maybe,price fixing.
I'm calling my MP.They hav'nt moved in six weeks.USA is moving on a daily basis,sometimes by the hour.
Call your MP and make a difference.
theprotector 12/11/2012 11:55:23 AM Report

Call Hayes ROTFLMAO!!!!!
bounder 12/11/2012 12:11:15 PM Report

ROTF?
flyhawk25 12/11/2012 12:25:59 PM Report

I e-mailed David O 3 1/2 weeks ago while looking at his ad on here -
'Putting you first'.
No response yet.
Guess I'm not first after all.
My sainted mother lied to me .
I'm not even second.
bounder 12/11/2012 12:32:06 PM Report

Fly, oh ya I hear you,I guess complaining is useless.But call him anyways.
bounder 12/11/2012 12:58:46 PM Report

RE: Reality shows.
Like Canada's worst driver.
Cash cab.
Bid and destroy.
I've decided to rename them all for my own personal use.
Stupid,stupider and of course stupidest.
Been hunting for a lot of years,lots of changes taking place,some good ,some bad.The worst for me, will be when I see a guy in camo with his belt just below his crotch.
I'm outa there.
Brianne 12/11/2012 1:00:52 PM Report

• In 2004, the U.S. Treasury Department reported that CNOOC had entered into a joint venture in Myanmar with a company “run by a family notorious for heroin trafficking.”

• In 2007-08, CNOOC allegedly clashed with its Myanmar workers over low wages, long working hours and other mistreatment of “inhabitants,” concerning “environmental contamination, land confiscation” and other unspecified “human rights abuses.”

• CNOOC is said to have persecuted its Falun Gong workers, collaborating with the PRC in sending them to “labour camps, brainwashing centres, decreasing their pay, and prohibiting them from receiving benefits or regular wages if they refused to give up their beliefs.”

• CNOOC’s operational accidents last year are alleged to have involved a large oil spill in its Penglai oilfield operation (a joint venture with ConocoPhillips), as well as an explosion in one of its oil refineries in Guangdong province close to a nuclear facility.

• A portion of Moody’s assessment rating refers to CNOOC’s weak “stand-alone credit profile” and the “execution risks” associated with uncertainties about “the retention of Nexen’s management and operating expertise.”

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1295529--nexen-bidder-cnooc-has-a-troubling-record
Right Winger 12/11/2012 1:13:13 PM Report

Michigan just voted in right to work legislation for all public sector unions. Meaning you don't have to be a member of a union or pay dues to the union. Thursday is private sector. Watch the membership drop!
Oldie Goldie 12/11/2012 1:41:33 PM Report

Right Wing---I quote you from your response to hawk " your resources "
Are they not yours too right wing ?
25miller 12/11/2012 1:47:29 PM Report

Right Winger..Yes and wait ( and it will ) start up in Canada..The high paying jobs will be a thing of the pass..We will be China soon.
Right Winger 12/11/2012 1:50:36 PM Report

Its not that we need to get closer to China, but we have to quit getting further away. The only thing that has changed is the dollars on our cheques are bigger, but so have the dollars on everything we buy. So we are no further ahead but price ourselves out when it gets global.
anabanana 12/11/2012 2:11:39 PM Report

Grump,
Responding to your invite, I would like that. I think it would be fun and interesting.

A.
theprotector 12/11/2012 2:47:45 PM Report

lol watch wages drop, medical drop, pensions drop, services drop, standard of living drop, health and safety legislation drop LOL
learningaswego 12/11/2012 2:47:50 PM Report

Actually "we" aren't selling off anything. It's a private deal between a company which operates in Canada, and in this case a government owned company. Our government and laws oversee these transactions.

Just like (and here's the part the usual critics - opposition party goofs and special interest groups - like to hide) thousands of Canadian companies, which have businesses located in or do business with other countries around the world.
Right Winger 12/11/2012 3:14:09 PM Report

Actually protector, I don't think legislation will drop. And heaven forbid being given the FREE option whether or not to be a member of a union.
Right Winger 12/11/2012 3:18:07 PM Report

Wages and benefits probably won't drop, but they might get reeled in a bit. In which case medical, dental and the like will become less expnensive for those without insurance.
Grump 12/11/2012 3:41:34 PM Report

anabanana I'll let you know when we are having something. You can reach me anytime at grump@inbox.com
Grump 12/11/2012 3:44:06 PM Report

Learningaswego "Our laws oversee these transactions". And did you get this privately from Steve or do you really believe this to be so?
Wicket 12/11/2012 3:46:04 PM Report

Thanks Grump....
Grump 12/11/2012 3:46:08 PM Report

Brianne good research but I'm sure the posse will be back with many excuses or just the standard denial because they can't google any.lol
Grump 12/11/2012 3:47:03 PM Report

Wicket you are more than welcome.
Oldie Goldie 12/11/2012 3:47:42 PM Report

Brianne---You supplied good solid info. as to why we should worry about the deal with China---especially when Harper won't disclose any details.

Slowly, but surely, foreign owned companies bring in their own key workers.
Will Canada Immigration allow all of this ?

The Human Rights of Companies like China leave a lot to be desired as Harper stated himself after a visit to China.

I believe that Harper only responded to the Shareholders of Nexen who found a way to get a lot of money and a way out of a poorly run Company.

I believe that I heard on some News Broadcasts that Nexen were big contributors to Harpers last election campaign but I can't remember who disclosed it but it sure sounded reasonable.

But there is still hope that the U.S.A. will not approve the Chinese Company to get hold of some of Nexen's resources in the U.S.A.
skipper dave 12/11/2012 5:05:33 PM Report

Right Winger - Michigan voting in the right to work! Yep union membership does drop along with wages and benefits. The work week goes to 48 hours and the workers are at the mercy of the owners. There are enough states that now have this, please google the wages. If you were offered a job on the condition that you bow out of a union do you think you would be treated fairly? Check out the big happy family at Wallmart or Tim Hortons. The only one that comes close to getting it right is Costco apparently those folks think they will make more money by treating their employees well, what a novel concept.
steelworker 12/11/2012 5:13:04 PM Report

So the big Chief of the Attawapiskat tribe is going on a "hunger strike" because the gov't is going to pass legislation forcing the chiefs to be accountable to their people and the taxpayers. It should take that little butterball all winter to get down to a size anyone would worry about.
skipper dave 12/11/2012 5:34:14 PM Report

Quote. Neil MacDonald analyst.

Work for less
There are 23 "right to work" states in the U.S., right now, most of them in the deeply union-unfriendly Norma Rae South.

Workers in those states enjoy lower wages, roughly 10 per cent lower, and of course far fewer protections against arbitrary treatment at the hands of managers striving for efficiency bonuses.

In the late-1940s, George Orwell invented the concept of newspeak to lampoon such oily official euphemisms. He could not have imagined how the skill would be perfected in America decades later.

Right-to-work laws are almost exclusively the efforts of Republican legislators in the American South and West and essentially mean the outlawing of almost any arrangement guaranteeing union security.

Michigan's law, actually two bills passed by the Republican-controlled state legislature on Tuesday, is merely the latest in a long train of these partisan victories. But its symbolic import is that it will likely deal a crippling blow to already weakened unions in the state where the American labour movement was born.
goldie 12/11/2012 6:02:40 PM Report

That is so precious Steelworker. Our own government is the worst ever for accountability. I voted for them on transparency but either they changed their mandate or we were duped.
AceOfBass 12/11/2012 6:21:02 PM Report

Tomorrow's Catholic School Board meeting is going to be a doozy. I will be in attendance to ask this School Board why they are sending the entire Trustees to a seminar in Toronto in January. This kind of wasteful spending has to stop. These monies are for the students and should not be wasted on paid vacations each year for the trustees.
Brianne 12/11/2012 6:21:48 PM Report

On December 7, Prime Minister Stephen Harper approved the first two complete takeovers of Canadian-owned energy firms by foreign state-owned companies in our country's history. He gave permission to CNOOC of China to purchase Nexen Inc., with its global conventional oil and shale gas assets, and to Petronas of Malaysia for its purchase of Progress Energy Resources Corp., a natural gas firm with operations in British Columbia and Alberta.

The Prime Minister did this without the support of the Canadian public, whose opposition to both foreign takeovers crossed traditional political and party lines.

Instead of listening to the public, or even those within the Conservative Party who opposed the CNOOC deal in particular, the Prime Minister used sleight of hand to trick Canadians into thinking these were "exceptional" cases, to be repeated only cautiously in the future.

He made changes to the Investment Canada Act that raised the general threshold under which there would be no review of foreign takeovers to $1 billion while leaving it at $330 million for bids by state-owned firms. He appeared to close the door to ownership of the tar sands by companies controlled by foreign governments.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/maude-barlow/harper-nexen_b_2273137.html
steelworker 12/11/2012 6:24:14 PM Report

So Goldie: I guess you would rather live in Greece or France?
steelworker 12/11/2012 6:32:41 PM Report

Gee Brianne: an article by Maude Barlow in the Huffpo showing how Darth Harper plans to sell Canada down the drain. Funny how Essar took over the steelworks here in the Sault and nary a peep from the public. Just because China is about to "own" something like a 1-2 percent interest in the oilsands doesn't mean there will be noodle shacks on every corner in Alberta. Maude Barlow = ultra left wing enviro-wacko to the U.N. with almost zero credibility (but a nice bank account).
goldie 12/11/2012 6:40:05 PM Report

Steelworker I have lived inthe Western Cape of SA in the early 90's so I know of oppression and you do know that SA was an oppressive country and it still is if you look at all the townships some progressing most are not. I am talking abject poverty. No running water, dog houses as homes, disease and an overall malaise of unemployment just like our native people. I hang my head in shame.
Brianne 12/11/2012 6:51:36 PM Report

OUch steely, you hurt my feelings :(

I think you deserve a spankin !
steelworker 12/11/2012 6:53:52 PM Report

Best offer I had all day. :}
Brianne 12/11/2012 6:58:25 PM Report

lol nah, nah,nah, apologies first :)
steelworker 12/11/2012 7:18:30 PM Report

I'm sorry. Now get to work.:}
nanag 12/11/2012 7:36:10 PM Report

It's a little frisky in here
Brianne 12/11/2012 7:52:10 PM Report

lmao , it's all good nanag !

And steely, no work today, day off , hehehe
Brianne 12/11/2012 8:10:57 PM Report

Please view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZhfWv6Sds4

Utterly astounding what the world thinks of Canada at this moment. Sad, very sad :( Thanks Harper !
goldie 12/11/2012 8:14:50 PM Report

A mall shooting in Oregon with an assault gun. Ar-15. What is the common denominator...guns.
My prayers go out to the people.
nanag 12/11/2012 8:55:48 PM Report

Brianne

I was by no means complaining about the frisky chat. I happen to like frisky :)
Brianne 12/11/2012 9:14:29 PM Report

Ohhhh, quick question for you nanag........ I have osteoarthritis in my right foot, ugh

It hurts so bad to have a shoe that causes any kind of pressure on the top of my foot. I am on my feet, basically running all day long, and the only shoe i can wear is a croc shoe. I have a pair that are work acceptable as they are closed in. I want to order another pair, as no stores in town that I can find carry the full line unfortunately. There are a pair specifically taht I want to order, but I really need to try it on first to see if it is tight across the top of my foot.

They are so far the only shoe that i can work in all day and come home and feel like i haven't been on my feet all day.

Do you know of any other shoe that may be just as good or better ?
joewho999 12/11/2012 10:44:24 PM Report

Brianne
Cngrats you got the 69er I got a old pair of work boots you can have,from the dirty old asc. I haven't used them in over 20 years,
steelworker 12/11/2012 10:45:11 PM Report

I could really give a flying frisbee as to what a bunch of U.N. thugs think about Canada. How many of these criminals support a democracy. They like the foreign aid but don't like the responsibility that goes with it. Canada should tell the Palestinian Authority and the Muslim Brotherhood to go pound sand. Funny to watch the idiot "President" of Egypt do the dance to maintain his multi-billion dollar foreign aid from the States and Canada while turning Egypt into another Islamic hellhole.
nanag 12/11/2012 10:50:44 PM Report

I think Birkenstock makes a good shoe for bad feet.. I believe there is a shoe store up on Grt Northern .. that sells them maybe.. is it Bergamins? you might give them a try

Have you been to anyplace like Just Feet? they also have more info on footwear but it is pricey for sure. Unfortunately as comfortable as crocs are they do NO good for feet
Brianne 12/11/2012 11:21:14 PM Report

I dunno nanag, i have 2 crushed discs in my back as well as scoliosis and a deteriorating vertebrae, and now the foot issue.... i can wear crocs all day, and my back doesn't feel like it's on fire and my foot doesn't hurt :)
atticus 12/11/2012 11:34:04 PM Report

Brianne;

I know something about a foot problem. Two years of pure agony. Orthotics did not work. But I still wear them, and Dr. Scholl inserts sp? when I can. What really seemed to help is Motion Lotion (health gear business in the Paul Mall) and regular foot rolling (on a proper wooden roller, a Dr. Scholl foot bath and something so simple as a golf ball enclosed in a four inch rubber tube). I also tossed a whole bunch of shoes and am now very particular as to what graces my feet. Good luck to you. A foot problem is pure he**. And thank you Brianne for your links. Keeps me up with news, important, that I often miss.
Brianne 12/11/2012 11:46:21 PM Report

Well thank you atticus ! I like to provide the "other side of the story " from outside of the msm. Most don't like it, but meh, i don't care :)

I've tried the orthotics as well....... I think they're a croc, pardon the pun. My feet and back hurt worse after wearing them.

I'll stick with my crocs, they do the job, just hate ordering online when there is no store around that carries any :(

Brianne 12/11/2012 11:49:39 PM Report

That link to that video with representatives from around the world speaking, and everyone clapping for every speaker, except for Canada, is a real shocker. Canada was a country looked up to by other nations....now it's......... I don't know what to say about it. It hits a real sour note that's for sure, and it's not a good thing. It worries me.
atticus 12/11/2012 11:55:58 PM Report

Brianne;

"I think they're a croc"

Right on. I think that business is a sham personally. Maybe it works for others ... to get them free footwear on their benefits. I didn't even consider going that route, and I could have. You will find you 'shoes'. Keep looking and best wishes.
anabanana 12/11/2012 11:59:14 PM Report

Grump,

Thanks for the info.

A.
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