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View Room Comments for Thursday, Dec. 6 2012

Thursday, December 06, 2012   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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bounder 12/6/2012 6:14:17 AM Report

Today try and exclude the use of three or four letter words from your vocabulary. ,e.g.ass,cat,duck,I could go on .Get it.
Grump 12/6/2012 7:49:18 AM Report

No moron it's obvious that you don't get it. I come here to connect with friends, have a few laughs and keep up with events. Now if you feel like some sort of intellectual then for goodness sake start acting like one. Now if you are feeling 10' tall, then come see me and I can probably cure that for you. Other than that just scroll on by and I'll do the same because I work all the time and don't have much time for twits like you. Bye, bye.
Grump 12/6/2012 7:49:41 AM Report

No moron it's obvious that you don't get it. I come here to connect with friends, have a few laughs and keep up with events. Now if you feel like some sort of intellectual then for goodness sake start acting like one. Now if you are feeling 10' tall, then come see me and I can probably cure that for you. Other than that just scroll on by and I'll do the same because I work all the time and don't have much time for twits like you. Bye, bye.
bounder 12/6/2012 7:51:57 AM Report

Wednesday,archives,last post, Blue room,look.
Grump 12/6/2012 8:01:45 AM Report

The double post was so you might understand by the time you got through the second one. LMAO
Sunshine_banks 12/6/2012 8:02:32 AM Report

I love reading Grump's posts! Actually I love reading them all! But.......I really miss the Duck's posts first thing in the morning!! Hoping you all have a fabulous day I am heading down to the Sault this morning to pick up my beautiful daughter from College so I know its going to be a great day for myself! All has been well here in Wawa most of our roads have been fixed but the Northern Lights Motel and the 2 houses that were damaged are not fixed and hopefully the insurance and government steps in to help them. We received a check from the United Association of Plumbers and Steamfitters to help with costs associated with the disaster.
Have an amazing day!!!
statusquo 12/6/2012 8:02:42 AM Report

"Yous" two guys should just hug ...'tis the season after all.

I did just check the archives and "bounder" posted at 1:45 AM and this morning at the crack of dawn....insomnia?
right wing 12/6/2012 8:03:29 AM Report

nanag 12/5/2012 9:36:19 PM Report

well aren't there a few on here who believe themselves above the rest

You noticed that also nanag.
Grump 12/6/2012 8:03:41 AM Report

I ignored it ,so what?
bounder 12/6/2012 8:14:46 AM Report

Wisenheimer 12/6/2012 8:38:54 AM Report

Why are they making men's under shorts without a fly ? Are evil liberals behind this ?
Pink Peony 12/6/2012 9:06:48 AM Report

Good morning.
Grump 12/6/2012 9:40:44 AM Report

Wisen that's because the neo-cons are all p****s. What else? lol
Grump 12/6/2012 10:09:57 AM Report

Status If you will shave my legs too I'll hug you but not D.D.D., you know Duffy, Daffy Duck.. I have to go out of town for a couple of days next week so will bring my pony by for sevice and leave it there. If it's in your road just run it over to Bobby's place. See you then
flyhawk25 12/6/2012 10:51:05 AM Report

Grump...I like SQ but I'd think about he might interpret 'servicing your pony'. The guy has some interesting fantasies.
Grump 12/6/2012 11:10:25 AM Report

Fly you might well have a point there and that item requires a different variety of service person than my pal Status. I'll leave all those shenanigans to he and rw. lol. How is your elevator coming along?
Big Bad Bob 12/6/2012 11:23:37 AM Report

One of my favourite stories about four-letter words involves the Right Honourable John Diefenbaker, many of whose political positions I didn’t appreciate, but whose basic values I profoundly respected. Shortly after he retired from the political scene, he was asked in an interview what he thought of the younger generation. “Oh, it’s not all that different from any other such generation,” he replied.” I have noticed, however, that they like to use a lot of four-letter words; except for one that they don’t like very much. It’s spelt W-O-R-K.”
old-cat33 12/6/2012 11:48:34 AM Report

Big Bad Bob: Was it you that told me to bring my Eco Fan to the shop on East St.and is that your fan in there as well? I have some bad news. The guy says that ours are both paper weight's now....LOL.
Grump 12/6/2012 11:53:10 AM Report

Big Bad Bob that seems to be quite a problem these days. Not enough young people going into the trades because they can't sit at a desk and keep their hands clean. Then there is the sad state of our welfare system. Those in true need don't get enough and then there are all the rest that need to have their a***s kicked out to WORK. We are bringing in workers from all over the world for jobs and we have third generation welfare cases still sitting and collecting.
Brianne 12/6/2012 12:09:36 PM Report

I think the problem with the trades is, there are no more apprenticeships being handed out. The trades, years ago was inundated with people, and a lot of workers had to get "other jobs" as there wasn't any available for their trade.

Now you have to go to "school" to learn the trades. Some people can't learn in school and need to do the job hands on and learn that way.

My son wants to learn the construction trade, but sees no point in taking a 2 or 4 year course, when he can learn on the job training easier and faster and more accomplished. Two to fours years of going to school and no income is not feasible these days...... hence the lack of trades persons available. It's not like it was 30 years ago where a parent could support a child going through school to learn a trade.
T-rat 12/6/2012 12:30:36 PM Report

old-cat33: I believe that three-bladed job is mine. The company making these rather expensive gadgets doesn't like to make parts available. They want you to buy a new one. But the East Street shop did repair my food dehydrator, which was a lot easier than shipping it to the company repair shop in Montreal.
Wicket 12/6/2012 12:36:51 PM Report

Brianne... a person has to get hired into a company that provides the trade that s/he is interested in, then the company sponsors the employee as an apprentice to attend 3 sessions of 'trade school' at eight weeks each. They have to work a pre-requisite number of hours between each session. While attending school (Sault College being one of the most popular and highest attendance and number of trades offered in Ontario) they receive EI benefits. Electrial trade attend school for 10 weeks in the 2nd and 3rd sessions, the rest do eight.
Nov/Dec session at Sault College has over 30 apprentices just in the plumbing trade alone - lots from Thunder Bay area and more coming for Jan/Feb from that area.
T-rat 12/6/2012 12:46:59 PM Report

old-cat33: my apologies to the ecofan company. I may have been premature in my judgement. Visit them at: They have a FAQ section and apparently you can purchase a new blade or a replacement motor kit with detailed installation instructions. Or you can call them at 1-800-567-3556 x227. Since they're a sponsor of the Wiarton Willie festival they must be in the Owen Sound area. Let us know if you have any success.
Brianne 12/6/2012 12:50:16 PM Report

that's the problem Wicket, trying to find a company in town that supports the apprenticeships. AS you said, these young people are coming from out of town to take those courses.
Wicket 12/6/2012 2:05:46 PM Report

Not so Brianne, there are lots of Soo people in the programs. In trhew past two years, Electricians for one, make up 80% - 90% of the local enrollment, making it difficult for out of towners to complete their apprenticeships after they have the pre-requisite number of hours in. It depends on the trade, auto mechnics, heavy equipment, truck and diesel have mostly out-of-towers because there are way too many local people already qualified and some not working. The Soo is notorious for paying the lowest wages in these trades. There is not a lot of work in the Soo left for trades people, a couple of years ago would have been the best time to get into it as we were in a building boom that is now finished. Essar Steel has not done their own trades program since the 1980s when it was still ASC. However, that may be changing in the future. Heard that a lot of the trades people that retired in July got hired back on full time in the fall because they could not find qualified people to fill the positions.
cathyh 12/6/2012 2:26:33 PM Report

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. I was in the downtown mall today and I got a handshake and a hug from Santa. I was really excited because I've never ever had a Santa hug. I love Santa, he made my day.
Brianne 12/6/2012 2:35:05 PM Report

Wicket, nothing in the construction business though.
right wing 12/6/2012 2:46:10 PM Report


When you say "nothing in the construction business" exactly what "trade" are you talking thinks you are a tad confused on how the apprenticeship program works.
Brianne 12/6/2012 2:51:28 PM Report

House/building construction
Wicket 12/6/2012 2:57:13 PM Report

house/building construction - you have to pay your dues and get hired as a 'flunkie' gopher kinda person, prove your interest in learning. Knock on every construction company door and keep going back until someone will give you an opportunity. As I said, construction is on a very fast downhill slide in the Soo, only big project is the new high school and the housing sector is going to die out very fast. Too many houses built over the last couple of years of expensive building projects which are now finished. Hopefully, people will not see foreclosures for over-spending.
mallet 12/6/2012 3:10:44 PM Report


Much as I would like to agree with you, unfortunately you need the schooling to learn the theory. The theory is necessary to learn how to do the angles and load points etc. It is not a case today of being able to nail a couple of pieces of wood together, there are basic house building codes that need to be learned, which you cannot do without the schooling, and the exam for the trade ticket. I had to go to Sault college to upgrade my trade ticket, which I had held for quite a while when Algoma Steel decided to amalgamate the trades of Millwright/welder/pipefitter. There is one other thing one must take into consideration, and that is the availability of work in this area compared to another, like out west. Your boy may not want to leave the area but sometimes you must to make a living, even if you do not want him to...
Brianne 12/6/2012 3:15:27 PM Report

sigh... so we all just went through this whole long conversation for what ........ to confirm my first post about apprenticeships in construction not being around........ hmmmmmmm lol

RW are you unconfused yet, cause i got a sinus headache from hell ( stupid weather ) and it hurts to type ! lmao
old-cat33 12/6/2012 3:22:03 PM Report

T-Rat: Thanks ole buddy I shall check that out.The guy told me that a sensor was screwed up and they don't make them? Yours looks a lot newer than mine though...LOL.
Brianne 12/6/2012 3:22:11 PM Report

I know Mallet, but the schooling can go along with the appenticeship.

I dont' know how people do it, go to school for 2-4 off student loans........ then find work, ugh

Maybe because i'm getting older, that i find that exhausting.

And, some people just like to stay "home" where their roots are ingrained. He's thought about going out west and had an opportunity to work in Saskatchewan on a 10 year contract........ be he stubborn, not sure...he wants to stay here in the soo. Which in both his eyes and mine, there should be opportunity to succeed in your home town.
old-cat33 12/6/2012 3:37:49 PM Report

I run into a lot of young people from my line of work especially during this time of year or summer time and they all tell me that they are home for a visit 25- 35 yr olds. Lots all ply their trade out of town because their is just no work for them here. And that's from law enforcement,fire protection,carpenters and the list goes on. These young people moved to southern Ontario to State side.
When I was younger I would work the shut downs in the plant any construction work as far as that matters that's where the money was back then.But those days are gone.
Just Curious 12/6/2012 3:42:31 PM Report

Brianne,maybe there should be an opportunity to work in your home town,but we don't live in Utopia. You go where the work is,like it or not. I have friends in the Soo that took transport training and bitch 'cause they can't find work,yet you look on the hrdc pages or Kijiji in southern Ontario and they are crying for drivers.I'm 70 and was offered a job home every night and no hand-bombing with help getting my license up to date..Your son wanted to be a carpenter he should have started taking courses in high school to cover that.. There is work all over but you have to move to get it,like it or not.You can always come home for the holidays.And as a PS,,,THE cost of living isn't that much greater down here and at least you can afford it..Should have moved back down here years ago,just too stubborn to. Some of you motheres need to kick your kids in the ass and move them out....:)
right wing 12/6/2012 3:45:26 PM Report


First of all "house/building" construction do not have apprenticeships per say.
Most contractors sub out the work, i.e. framing, plumbing, electrical, heating, etc.
Some contractors will have some general laborers on staff and perhaps a licensed carpenter or two.
Getting on as general labor is good as it gets you exposed to the other trades.
As already stated on here persistence can pay off or relocating.
Who cares where you are, just get the trade ticket...then you can go where you want.
What other vocation can you go to school, work, get paid and at the end, no big debt and receive a ticket that will give you work for life.
The biggest problem with the trades (it is in the works to correct it) is the licensed tradesman to apprenticeship ratio.
As an example if you have two apprentices you need one licensed tradesman, four then two and so on.
This is very costly for small shops and is why they will not hire as many apprentices.
Another way into the trades is a related education.
The two year or three year electronic technician or engineering course is an excellent way to make it attractive for an electrical firm to hire you.

right wing 12/6/2012 3:48:37 PM Report


You are incorrect on the residential housing market in the Sault.
It is booming and due to demand.
Take a ride near the new hospital and check out the subdivision going in...and that is just one going up.
The players in this are seasoned developers and if they are building there is a reason for it.
Brianne 12/6/2012 3:55:05 PM Report

"Your son wanted to be a carpenter he should have started taking courses in high school to cover that.. "

He did !
right wing 12/6/2012 4:01:15 PM Report


Have him put out a resume to every contractor/construction company in the yellow pages.
Hand delivered not mailed.
Two weeks later, return for an update, in person not on the phone.
Keep repeating.
Do some research on any that look promising, find out who the owner is, general manager, what type of work they do...anything he can.
If he suddenly finds himself in front of a decision maker he can talk like he knows what they do and why he would be a good contribution to their business.
Eventually they will tell him to stop coming in or they will hire him because he is a pain in the ass.

Wicket 12/6/2012 4:07:19 PM Report

I realize that house construction is still on-going in the Soo. My concern is that people are already laid off in the construction industry, without going out of town, they are not going to be able to get work locally. Too many $400,000 plus houses have been built, young families, huge monthly payments and if one person is laid off, there goes the toys/house/cars.... happened in the 80s and 90s in the Soo already.
When contractors are building $380,000 plus condos (previously called row housing) and targetting seniors buyers, there is something not quite right...
right wing 12/6/2012 4:28:13 PM Report


The condo style may be targeting seniors (even those are in demand) but not the single family homes.
Many retirees have lots of $$$$ and cannot find what they want.
Trust me, the majority of those purchasing the single family homes can afford the mortgage on just one income, not both...and that is the way to do it.
The post war baby boom retirees are just getting under way and it is going to get bigger.

mallet 12/6/2012 4:28:30 PM Report


I am very well aware of the difficulties, however as in life there are things what one must do if you want to work.. Fifty odd years ago when I was apprenticed there was competition, but most people wanted their offspring to go on to higher education, I wanted to see the wheels go round, and got apprenticed. However I have had to move around a bit, I have worked up in the Artic, Mines in the bush, North Africa and Sudbury, while my wife has stayed home, here in the Soo and now retired out to the cottage.. Has it been hard, sure at times, but we both think it has been worth it...
right wing 12/6/2012 4:29:04 PM Report

...and what is not right? The market demand is there and it is being filled.
Grump 12/6/2012 4:29:31 PM Report

Wicket the writing was on the wall mid 70's which was the main reason I spent 9 years in The Middle East. Instead of scaping by here I benefitted from the downturn by getting as high as 21% on T-bills through the early 80's. That said I'm not sure who is buying all these large homes but Saldan, Palmer, Ficmar etc all seem to be reading the market correctly. The folks I work for are building new hotels (4) and there is another one scheduled for the Sault this Spring. I should have had all this damn work when I really could have used it not when I'm a worn out old guy. lol
right wing 12/6/2012 4:30:13 PM Report


If you do not mind saying so, what was the trade that you apprenticed in?
right wing 12/6/2012 4:36:09 PM Report


You "worn out old guys" are few and far between.
You do it because you can't resist and the money is great.
Absolutely nothing wrong with paying ones dues and having it pay back in spades.
Careful not to get overly involved.
Remember... enjoy, play, and spend it all... leave squat for your kids....except any that might actually need it.
mallet 12/6/2012 4:38:14 PM Report


It was "fitter, turner, machinist"
When I came here I applied and got my "Class A" and then when the steel plant wanted millwright I wrote the test for that ticket too.
right wing 12/6/2012 4:41:28 PM Report


Was that in the U.K.
right wing 12/6/2012 4:43:33 PM Report

...oops sorry Mallet, "when I came here", now what was the class "A", machinist?
Wicket 12/6/2012 4:50:19 PM Report

Right wing and Grump, sure hope you are right on the construction of new homes and buyers. I am a very positive, optimistic person but somehow have some doubts in this regard. I know of quite a few people who never thought they would own a house and now do because of the ladder that happens when someone moves up into a more expensive house. There are actually apartments available now because of this.
RW - would not want to be taking equity out of my home and buying 'up' in retirement unless it was impossible to travel and enjoy life or unless I was wealthy enough to do everything - lol.
right wing 12/6/2012 4:55:39 PM Report


Two books I recommend you read
Die Broke, Stephen Pollan and Spend ’til the End, Scott Burns and Larry Kotlikoff.
It will change the way you (we) many of us have been taught to think.

right wing 12/6/2012 4:59:41 PM Report

...anybody else see something wrong with this?

You have until noon tomorrow to do this
Thursday, December 06, 2012 by: Staff

The public is advised that the last day to apply for Christmas Cheer is tomorrow, Thursday, December 13.

Interested parties in Sault Ste. Marie and the Algoma Region are encouraged to call 705-575-9660 by 12 noon in order to register.
mallet 12/6/2012 5:01:51 PM Report

R W ...

Class "A" mechanic... In the old country fitter was the same as a mechanic here ... the apprenticeship form covered all three trades but you sort of majored in one, in my case it was as a 'fitter' however you took the basics of the other trades as well. The company I was with had a machine shop for refurbishing engines of all types and also cylinders...
right wing 12/6/2012 5:08:54 PM Report

Ah...I was wondering as a fitter/turner is a trade in it's own as is machinist although they both overlap.
Either way, great trade to have...remember, mechanical minds tick like a well engineered clock, open minds have their brains fall out.

Brianne 12/6/2012 5:14:31 PM Report

I think the apts are available now because, it's cheaper to own your own home. 2 bedroom apts go for over $900, most with puc on top of it.......... ridiculous !
right wing 12/6/2012 5:20:04 PM Report

$900.00 ???

"East end 2 bedroom ground floor unit with patio, fridge & stove, located in clean, quiet, security 8 plex with coin operated laundry facilites on site. $782.00/month inclusive, 18 month lease required. For further information please contact Kate at (705)942-7141 Monday to Friday 9-5; email or visit our website:"
right wing 12/6/2012 5:22:38 PM Report

155 Willow Avenue ~ 2 Bedroom Basement Apartment Available January 1st/13. All Inclusive ~ Secure Building~ On Site Laundry Facitilies. $ 850.00 per month. Call 705-575-9311 to view.
mallet 12/6/2012 5:23:28 PM Report

R W ...

Don't forget through.... they have to be wound up occaisionally!!! The clocks I mean, oh I don't know thro sometimes it is nice to get wound up too!!!
right wing 12/6/2012 5:25:39 PM Report

Haha...mallet...tradesmen operate on perpetual motion.

right wing 12/6/2012 5:26:19 PM Report

Newly renovated 2 bedroom apt for rent in nice neighbourhood. Very quiet 4 plex with parking and laundry on site. $700 a month heat included. email for viewing or more info.

...shall I go on?
Brianne 12/6/2012 5:36:08 PM Report

RW, so help meeeeeeeeeeeeee grrrrrrrrrrrr

Of course you wont' show the ads that are over the 900 mark, now would you ?

Two bedrooms available
for January and February 1st.

Security buildings, elevators, gym in middle building, tennis court.

Two bedrooms renting for $995 all inclusive.
First and last - one year lease.

To view call Elstrong Management at 705 942-8965

Newly renovated two bedroom apartment available January 1st.

Security building, carpeted, new fridge and stove. Renting for $975 all inclusive.

Call Elstrong Management at 705-942-8965.

Besides, They are all at over 60% of my monthly income working full yah, having to have $400 for bills and groceries for a month, nah, i'll stay where i'm at.
Wicket 12/6/2012 5:52:04 PM Report

Brianne.. RW was just pointing out to you that there are apts available for less than $900/mo and that were all inclusive. If you lived closer to work and did not have to pay for a bus pass and utilities, could you afford something else?
Brianne 12/6/2012 6:04:10 PM Report

Between my rent and utitlies, maximum i'm paying is $650, and i can have my dog here....... no one allows pets anymore,even though the landlord tenant act says they can't deny a person with a pet. If the pet is causing a disturbance, then yes, they can force you to move or get rid of it. But mine never barks, does no damage .
Brianne 12/6/2012 7:41:34 PM Report

It's that time of year again , and time for me to take my leave as usual :(

Those that know will understand.

I wish you all a great Christmas ,and Peace be with you all !

Bobby Nerves 12/6/2012 7:55:25 PM Report

Good evening all:

I'd like to challenge all participants in this board, and all those who read this column; to have a brief moment of very positive thinking in regards to our member, friend and always positive persona, the great Skipper Dave.

The Skipper and his family, is in need of our very best positive energy and all the strength we can gather for him.

Please do this with the only expectation of having him back here with his early...

Good morning sweet Soo!

All the best to you Skipper, and never one step back... not even to ramping up!

You are always in my thoughts and in my prayers... never mind what you think... God still believes in you!

Grump 12/6/2012 8:01:33 PM Report

Wicket rw is correct there are two ways to look at money. I had two older brother-in-laws both with money. One held that you paid cash and got the best price you could. The other believed that you got the lowest down payment and the longest terms possible on big ticket items. He said that say a payment of 1000.00 might be hard at the time but wouldn't mean much 20 years down the line and both big ticket items would appreciate greatly in that time. I suppose both were right but I believe that a combination of both systems works best for most folks.
Grump 12/6/2012 8:07:05 PM Report

Bobby a really nice thought and idea. I think we are all pulling for Skipper but nice that you put it into words. How about coffee or lunch monday or tuesday before I get away?
Wicket 12/6/2012 8:11:24 PM Report

thanks Bobby for the reminder... positive thoughts and prayers for Skipper Dave ....
BIG BROTHER 12/6/2012 8:11:44 PM Report

Thanks Bobby.
sparks7 12/6/2012 8:17:05 PM Report


Without going into all the reasons why,I would have to say brother-in-law number one's style is probably best for most people.Works for me.
Bobby Nerves 12/6/2012 8:18:56 PM Report

Sure big guy. We get together Tuesday, Monday is a bit complicated for me, but Tuesday should be OK, further I would like to talk to you over a coffee or a bowl of soup... I may need a bit of your help... your opinion, nothing material, just your point of view and a bit of advice, but I'll talk further when we meet.

In the same way of positive thinking, I'd like to thank Statusquo and his staff, for being such a great person, always walking the extra mile for a customer. He is such a professional... and all your big problems are just peanuts for him.

This week, he fixed the snowplow and he saved my life, because shoveling snow is not in my budget. Then he went over my daughter car, serviced and checked all over... just to discover that the car doesn't need a new battery... and the breaks don't have to be replaced... and so many other little thinks.

He saved us a good chunk of money and at the same time, solved many problems, but above all... Have no fear, Statusquo is here!

Grump 12/6/2012 8:25:18 PM Report

sparks7 I tend to lean harder that way myself but brother-in-law no. 2 started with very little, worked very hard and built up a good business by keeping as much of his own money available to build his business as possible.
Grump 12/6/2012 8:28:06 PM Report

Good I'll pick you up tuesday. I have a new spot for lunch but you had better bring a good appetite with you. lol
mallet 12/6/2012 8:33:52 PM Report

Bobby N....

Amen to that for Skipper Dave...
I don't say many prayers, however to anyone sick, I always have positive thoughts.
sparks7 12/6/2012 8:52:45 PM Report


There are no absolutes,that's for sure.
sparks7 12/6/2012 9:08:19 PM Report


You mentioned a couple books."Die Broke" and Spend 'Til the End".Ha,someone once said that the last check you write should be to the undertaker and if you play it just right that one should bounce.I can see some sense in that philosophy but I guess the trouble with that would be trying to time it.
T-rat 12/6/2012 9:33:09 PM Report


I spoke to the folks at Caframo. They can send you a motor replacement kit for less than $25, shipping included, but they have to verify the model #. Hold your fan on its ide and look for a white sticker under the head piece and you should find a serial number like 5530-030 for instance. This is an 800 model and replacement motors are available. Home Hardware stores also stock replacement motors. BUT if the white plastic ring behind the motor (thermal electric module) is cracked, the thing is toast. In that regard, ship it to the company and they will send you a rebuilt model for about $80.
nanag 12/6/2012 9:41:05 PM Report

Good Evening Folks

All the best to Skipper Dave..

Any time is a bad time to be sick but somehow being sick this time of year just seems wrong. There should be no worry or sadness over health this time of year.

Speaking of sadness ... I took the plunge today and retired my 1999 sunfire.. :( and bought a sweet 2009 vehicle... Merry Christmas to me :)... therefore I will NOT be paying for The Blue Room Surprise Christmas Dinner with door prize of trip for 4 blue room buddies 4 days 4 nights all inclusive stay at Portlock .. Sorry.. I had it all planned then said F*** it I need a new car.. but Merry Christmas :)
Bobby Nerves 12/6/2012 10:17:07 PM Report

Merry car nanag... Merry Christmas.

Well, Christmas is always Merrier with a new car.

Well with anything new, anyways.

Drive safe and if you drive, don't drink... you may spill the drink all over the place.
nanag 12/6/2012 10:22:45 PM Report

The only drink I might be spilling would be a good hot cup o tea.. and that might burn up some "personal" no drinking and driving for this chicky
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