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Sunday, December 02, 2012   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grace 12/2/2012 5:34:10 AM Report

Good Morning...snow is melting!!
Gotta love global warming!

RW an Fly this is for you two!

U.S. Secretary of State candidate Susan Rice has substantial interests in Canadian oil


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/u-secretary-state-candidate-susan-rice-substantial-interests-155053592.html
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 6:54:15 AM Report

That story was also on the national news section of this site. She's also into other Canadian stocks. Anyone with her kind of money and any sense at all are into Canadian oil, right Wisenheimer?
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 6:55:57 AM Report

Oh oh, no no there. Should have been 'isn't' with the singular 'anyone'.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 6:57:37 AM Report

Oh oh, another no no. Should have been 'is'. I forgot what I said in the first place. I gotta get outta here. See you later, folks.
nanag 12/2/2012 7:06:46 AM Report

Good Morning Folks

Glad the rain didn't freeze..I don't feel like slip sliding all over town going to work

Have a good day
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 7:21:34 AM Report

Sparks7, this one might interest you.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article37753.html
Retreaded 12/2/2012 7:51:13 AM Report

THE WEATHER NETWORKS long range 4cast does not promise much snow at all thru Dec 16. It looks like another snowless winter coming up...PERFECT !!!
statusquo 12/2/2012 8:02:39 AM Report

I really like the CEO of Costco.

No comparison to Walmart for sure, but this business model seems to work well for him and his employees.
If Walmart were to operate similarly and pay its employees a bit more than a survival wage I might consider shopping there.
I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/business/yourmoney/17costco.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1
Retreaded 12/2/2012 8:08:06 AM Report

I wish we could convince COSTCO to set up shop here !!! I wonder if our EDC has even looked into wining and dining them.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 8:27:01 AM Report

Good one, status. I liked it. Thanks.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 8:45:34 AM Report

Is there really only 10 days until the end of the Mayan calendar?
What if the world won't end with a bang but a whimper?
What if it has already started?
T-rat 12/2/2012 9:23:41 AM Report

No Walmart or Costco for this item. There's enough plastic in the world. I'm looking for a used wooden table and chairs for a very special little girl. Any leads or search suggestions would be most appreciated.
statusquo 12/2/2012 9:24:20 AM Report

You're welcome spelly.



I know it is a link to the New York Times . They occasionally have good articles (smiley face).

And I share retreaded's sentiment about a Costco here in the Sault. Their online catalog sucks.

Costco's success is really not that hard to emulate. Buy smart and treat your employees fairly with a decent wage and an affordable healthplan. This then translates into happy customers. Walmart's business plan is all about cutting costs and predatory , ruthless enslavement of suppliers. It has worked well for them so far. But at what costs to us? A gallon of Javex for 99 cents?

On an greater global economic scale we are witnessing the results of greed and a grotesque gap that is widening between the haves and have-nots.

It is a repeat of mistakes that were made before.

It has nothing to do with a true
"Free Market Theory," as poor performance should
be rewarded by a loss of income. Instead, we are seeing an
increasing number of instances in which poor performance is
being rewarded with bonuses and golden parachutes while
workers at the bottom receive a golden shower....i.e, they are literally getting pissed upon.

Look at Wall Street, we have our "Too Big
To Fail" investment banks betting that their very own customers
will fail. Fortunes are being made, not by producing a
valuable service or product, but by gambling with other people's money and betting on negative odds.



The same thing happened in the period leading up to the Great Depression. Someone would dig a hole in
Alaska and then sell millions of dollars of
stock offerings in a "gold mine."

And the very rich would start buying up an essentially
worthless stock to drive the price up and then cash out,
leaving the newest investors out in the cold.

This Ponzi scheme came to a devastating halt in October of 1929.

Millions were left holding worthless pieces of paper
representing companies with no tangible assets and no money
in the bank.


The "Glass-Steagall" act was supposed to watch those pesky banksters by regulating the money market and it worked well until the late nineties when it was repealed under Clinton. But almost all administartions before had tried to get rid of these regulations due to powerful bank lobbyists.


Some of us remember "the tech bubble" crash
in the late '90s. Most of the highly touted "tech" companies
were nothing more than a rented building with a desk and a chair and
no tangible assets.

Then came the "housing bubble" as
Wall Street bundled and sold worthless
mortgages as "Triple-A" rated securities and, when the
wheels finally fell off in 2008, many pension funds and
other institutional investors were left holding worthless
paper.

The current incarnation of "Free Market Theory" appears to be
more about rewarding incompetence and keeping greedy crooks out of
jail than it is about providing rewards for hard work and
innovation.
Grump 12/2/2012 9:28:22 AM Report

My goodness you folks are a morbid crew this A.M. It will likely be a little bitter and short of cash for a bit but we will get rid of the free spending Tories and good times will return. Well not quite as good as before but good in any case. Both the extreme right and the extreme left will be forced to give up what they see as their right to entitlement and life will go on. In the meantime have a great Christmas season.
Grump 12/2/2012 9:34:53 AM Report

T-rat that may be a hard thing to find as most families just pass them on down the line. Try Les Weeks at the Flea Market on King St. If he doesn't have a set he may know where there is one. Good Luck.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:46:18 AM Report

Just goes to show you, status, even the New York Times can produce something worth reading from time to time, just like someone else I know.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:46:47 AM Report

:)
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:49:38 AM Report

The Costco guy's compensation is nothing to sneeze at either, and that's considered modest for a CEO, $350,00 with a $200,000 dollar bonus. He doesn't sound very deprived himself.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:55:29 AM Report

$350,000 with a $200,000 bonus
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:58:08 AM Report

Don't get me wrong. I like the guy. Anyone who treats his employees well is okay in my books.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 9:59:10 AM Report

Especially if he can do it with decent prices for the goods.
right wing 12/2/2012 9:59:44 AM Report

statusquo

Costco dumped a food supplier that they found was selling at a lower price to Walmart.
That also qualifies as ruthless enslavement of suppliers.
They all do it.
Yes you can (and you always do)dig up your horror stories about a free market society.
As a business owner would you have it any other way?
Overall it does work.
Costco is playing a good angle.
Same game as Walmart except "the people of Costco" have deeper pockets than "the people of Walmart" and they are shinning in the public eye by paying their employees better.
Good angles and all doable in a free market society.
What Costco has to be careful of is their margins versus operating costs versus profits.
I don't care how well you pay employees, you don't make a decent profit and it won't do any good when your well paid employees don't have a store to work at anymore.
Not that Costco is in any immediate danger but Sam's Club could most likely crush them if they got into an all out price war.
It would seem so far they are willing to live and let live, all the results of a free market society.
Another 25 years from now and it's anybodies guess what new types of super stores we shall have.
Bottom line is they are not going away any time soon and those that learn to play the game and play it well will stay.
Sears is on life support at the moment but I would expect it to be gone in 2013.
The consumer controls all and that is the bottom line.
I also would welcome a Costco in this town.
right wing 12/2/2012 10:02:12 AM Report

...and Statusquo, is Darlene complaining?
Size really does matter when it comes to inflatables?
Weird stuff my friend, really.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 10:26:47 AM Report

Speaking of bubbles, we are now into a currency bubble. Just watch where that ends.
Spellchecker 12/2/2012 10:28:47 AM Report

My 7:21 AM offering will give you a clue.
right wing 12/2/2012 10:29:31 AM Report

Statusquo

I found that video I took of your son.
The one that shows the training that you gave him on how to treat his toys that come from Walmart.
I didn't notice it until I played it back but at the very end you can hear J.P. in the background...must have been before the sauce pan came out.

http://tinyurl.com/cn8wxjv
right wing 12/2/2012 10:34:38 AM Report

...now by the look on his face at the end did you let him....say it isn't so!
Wisenheimer 12/2/2012 10:48:36 AM Report

Spelly .. especially ones with juicy dividends. Ditto pipelines.
Brianne 12/2/2012 10:50:23 AM Report

T-rat...I know of a local crafter that recycles small tables and chairs and paints them, she does an amazing job...... she'll be at the craft show at the Moose Lodge today.
Pink Peony 12/2/2012 10:58:32 AM Report

T-rat, this place may have something.
Church Street Boutique 69 Church Street, SSM (Behind The Bushplane Museum). They're open today from 12:30-4:00.
Contact: Chris Carter
Phone: 705-253-7075

Look at this neat one on Ebay, 50's style and pricey!!
http://tinyurl.com/d86lx3a
AceOfBass 12/2/2012 11:19:37 AM Report



What is going on with the PUC and the $100,000 donation to Algoma University?

Councillors Mick and Bruni should resign because they as PUC Board members representing the city and the taxpayers did not bring this to Council.
Brianne 12/2/2012 11:55:00 AM Report

Went for a walk downtown ( queen street) with the poochie.......brought poopie bags with me......... in the 6 blocks that we walked, NOT ONE garbage bin... garbage all over the sidewalks, timmies cups, food wrappers. Like really ? You can't leave at least one garbage bin per block at least ?
Grump 12/2/2012 12:06:51 PM Report

Brianne there wouldn't be anything left of them in a month with the sidewalk plows. lol.
Grump 12/2/2012 12:10:59 PM Report

rw you had better take another little jaunt up brokeback mountain and see what you pals Blues and the Duck are up to. Don't return with pics unless they are for your personal and private collection.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 3:21:59 PM Report

Grump...wow.
Mention 'broke back mountain' and two familiar names and the site goes silent.
Well done sir.
shakespeare 12/2/2012 3:39:37 PM Report

Probably every one has been out decking their balls with boughs of holly.
shakespeare 12/2/2012 3:40:55 PM Report

oops, make that "halls"
Wisenheimer 12/2/2012 3:42:41 PM Report

Most people have left because of you embarrassing a-holes.
shakespeare 12/2/2012 3:51:14 PM Report

Are you one of those a-holes that we have been embarrassing, Wisen?
steelworker 12/2/2012 4:07:01 PM Report

The Three Stooges live.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 4:18:01 PM Report

Aha!
Down from the mountain and ready to rumble.
I'll alert the media.
So...we've got Curly and Larry back, Shakes - any sight of Moe?
Grump 12/2/2012 4:43:16 PM Report

It really doesn't seem fair to irritate these poor righties. That said my evil nemesis from the dark side says he likes doing it because he can and he is right. I'm likely confused but could someone remind me when he got one right. Hell's bells that must have been before my time.

bounder 12/2/2012 4:51:11 PM Report

Ramblings!
I believe that the voices of fear,both from without or within can only be dispelled by trusting the voice that comes from the heart.
Be still and listen to it.If it speaks for love and compassion for others,for the world ,it might be the voice of God or a resonable facsimile.
If,however,it snarls with fear of the unknown,fear of losing what you have or not getting wht you want,then it just might be the voice of GRUMP --or a reasonable facsimile.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 4:53:57 PM Report

Oh oh.
Could it be?
A day pass and a new name...?
Yikes.
right wing 12/2/2012 4:54:11 PM Report

The Apple Dumpling Gang is alive and well.
Bunch of giggling adolescents.

I have been listening to CBC radio.
They are discussing municipal politics, corruption and the conflict of interest act.
Of course Rob Ford came up and not only did their "experts" compare but most of the general public calling in did compare Ford to the Mayors that were given the boot in Quebec.
I kept waiting for flyhawk25 to call in a straighten them all out by telling them it was deflection and not allowed.
Seems it is allowed.
The general consensus seemed to be that although what Ford did was of course wrong it was shoplifting compared to armed robbery.
right wing 12/2/2012 4:56:42 PM Report

Grump

I certainly got it right when you needed advice to fix your water.
But that was O.K. then, wasn't it.
Worth knowing at that point....
Grump 12/2/2012 5:06:56 PM Report

You're my hero rw but you need a little sweetening. Bounder you are truly an ass.
bounder 12/2/2012 5:41:32 PM Report

GRUMP
Your affected response was the result of my effective post.
I think I got it.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 5:51:10 PM Report

I think if you check the archives you'll see we agree on Ford's blunder.
That act on a scale of wrong from 1 -10 is probably a 2.Unfortunately the judge only had nuclear punishment for j-walking.
However - add to it an arrogance rating of perhaps 7 and add on all the other goofy misdemeanors he's committed and you get a guy who should never be mayor of Canada's largest city.
So put him in the time-out corner for two years and let him run again. That way there is less cost to the city - $7M for a bye-election - and let the good citizens of Taranna vote again.
If they elect him again I'll shut up on the topic.
right wing 12/2/2012 6:00:31 PM Report

Actually he reminds me somewhat of Frank Manzo in his bullish ways.
People in ward six obviously love Manzo as they keep on returning him.
Just be glad we don't have a Ford for a mayor here, although I voted for our current Mayor and so far not exactly sure why....
Grump 12/2/2012 6:01:12 PM Report

Fly had there not been a huge backlash against Smitherman, Mr Ford would not be in the current self made mess he is in. They will have trouble finding a non winner to run against him to ever get him elected again.
right wing 12/2/2012 6:04:05 PM Report

If bounder is....then she is getting much sneakier...but eventually, as she can't help herself, the avalanche of posts will soon be here.
Grump 12/2/2012 6:05:12 PM Report

rw Jamie C. lost the election for a number of reasons (self Inflicted) and our current Mayor won on his mistakes.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 6:11:17 PM Report

Just a thought.
The more I read about Ford and see him on TV I sense a certain kernel of decency in him.
Perhaps in two years he can change his approach and mature and be an effective leader.
I get the sense that what he needs is to listen to either his wife, his mother or a sister and to just learn to temper his 'enthusiasm'.
Generally most of us men have someone at home telling us not to be an as....
Of course it helps if you listen.
flyhawk25 12/2/2012 6:12:39 PM Report

Grump...agreed.
Javaman 12/2/2012 6:39:52 PM Report

OUR MAYOR WON BY DEFAULT. She may still be in shock that she won.
sparks7 12/2/2012 7:24:55 PM Report


Spellchecker

I guess having a little gold and silver in the portfolio as insurance is not a bad idea.However,if the sh##t really hits the fan like some think it will,an investment in canned goods,seeds,and ammunition might be better.You can't eat gold.
Pink Peony 12/2/2012 7:29:44 PM Report

I'm going to get some chickens and a cow for my garage and plant a food garden. As Grump said at lunch earlier this week, I could barter with the cow manure. I'll survive a depression. Yepper! Every now and then, a pigeon lands on the line behind the house...I'll get a sling shot too. I heard pigeon is tasty!
mallet 12/2/2012 7:51:00 PM Report

Pink Peony...

There you go, the barter system will soon go into overdrive... I have a blueberry patch, black berries and raspberries too. Just have to get some shot for the air gun, got lots of bluejays, not sure how much meat on them, and of course that old staple chickedee, but you have to get a few, each is not much of a mouthfull... lotsa feathers!!! Then of course you can go fishing with CIL wigglers and a net, lots of meals there, and of course there's always deer, moose and bear, for the taking. At least in Northern Ontario we have the means of abundant harvest, we shall however have to draw a line at the French river, only southerners with something useful to trade will be allowed in. Politicians can be hung, drawn and quartered and used as bait!!!
Pink Peony 12/2/2012 7:59:52 PM Report

I don't think most politicians could handle a depression. Many would be jumping out of windows out of desperation or would go insane. Yep, the insane ones would make good bait but would anything want to eat them. I imagine they would taste pretty shitty. Oh yes, I have raspberry bushes that try to take over my peonies. I guess I would have to let them take over in a depression.
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