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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Nov. 27 2012

Tuesday, November 27, 2012   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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skipper dave 11/27/2012 4:34:35 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo!

Here ducky, come on ducky. Someone get Jay Pee,s mom to wake him up.
statusquo 11/27/2012 5:49:02 AM Report

Morning skipper,

What the hell are you doing up so early?
Shouldn't you be resting?

Are you following Bobby's advice on nutrition? He seems to know a thing or two about that.
Also, since you need to gain some weight, you might want to call Rod Ford, he seems to have some free time on his hands now and he also appears to know a thing or three about weight gain .
Maybe he even has a recipe on stuffed duck.

statusquo 11/27/2012 6:13:24 AM Report

And furthermore...on the Rob Ford affair, as much as it pains me to say it, as I really don't like the guy and what he stands for, in all fairness, the punishment does not fit the crime, in this case.

He should have been reprimanded, warned and reminded that he is an idiot. Allow him to finish his term as mayor and let the people of Toronto speak. They voted him in after all.
The sentence was a little over the top.

In our very own city of Sault Ste. Marie we've had far more serious shenanigans in the past ....

Things like that make me wonder what it is that compels folks to run for public office . One might as well join the circus.

Grump 11/27/2012 6:29:12 AM Report

Status I always thought politics were. lol. Good morning everyone, have a great day.
skipper dave 11/27/2012 6:48:22 AM Report

Morning Status - Ever try to rest lying in bed in the dark starring at the ceiling having your mind racing. Best anecdote distraction. Speaking of distractions my beautiful wife will be contacting you shortly. Apparently those studded snow tyres I've been bragging about are doing me no good in the back of the SUV. go figure. On Mr. Ford, a lynching plain and simple. Watch him come back with a gang of Jeroneous lawyers.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 7:12:50 AM Report

I still haven't looked at yesterday's Toronto paper with details of the Ford fiasco.
On first blush it does seem like overkill but it may have been how the judge had to apply a narrow law.
The guy seems to be a flatulent bully who saw an election victory as a coronation. But that is not a hangin' offense.
My fear is that if there is a new - and expensive - election and he wins he'll see it as a mandate to ratchet up his agenda.
If he lost the election he could blame the 'left wing courts and the lefty liberal media' and become a martyr for all the neo-con iconoclasts in the GTA.
Sort of a right wing poster boy for why the world is becoming too liberal.
At the least we'll probably see more of what started here yesterday - ignore what the guy did and focus on how he was unjustly punished.
nanag 11/27/2012 7:17:42 AM Report

Good Morning Everyone

Skipper Dave

You are an inspiration.. I have patients who just stick their heads under the covers and give up....nice to hear you are fighting hard.. keep it up..

If I could share some of my extra ahhh poundage with you by hugging you I would be there in a heartbeat.. sharing :D

bounder 11/27/2012 7:19:28 AM Report

Traffic light at Lukenda Drive .Whom ever made the decision to have it operate in it,s present form was,nt thinking.Entry only, no exit except emergency vehicle.Only enter right hand turns on Hwy 17.Enter from North 3rd line.
All the traffic that has to stop for one or two vehicles.Heavy trucks, cars, busses, motorhomes, travel trailers,ect.What a waste of gas and more polution starting up and now they do it all over again at the 3rd line.Exit from the hospital 3rd line only.
Ernest Raymond 11/27/2012 7:28:34 AM Report

The Rob Ford punishment sure does fit the crime statusquo.

When you're so STUPID that you stand up as the Mayor at city council and argue that you shouldn't have to pay back money that you obtained inappropriately through your city council office, and then vote against having to pay back the ill-begotten funds you sure need to be turfed. And fast!

Next you'll be saying Rob Ford can speak on his own behalf, and use his influence with city council, to get the Toronto CAO position or speak on behalf of his sister's paving company for city paving jobs, or ...

Sheesh.

The guy's a dunkoff. He should've just kept his mouth shut and paid the $3,000. End of story.

Engaging in council discussions where your personal financial position is impacted is very very serious stuff.

Knuckle's rapped my ...
skipper dave 11/27/2012 7:32:54 AM Report

Nanag - Thank you, I don;t know about inspiration but my whole life has been an uphill battle. If you met me you would understand. All I know is put the next foot forward. What other option do we have. My life motto has been "we all live long enough to make a difference and the difference is in us."
bounder 11/27/2012 7:39:59 AM Report

Guilty before being judged.The money was for a football team,what he did is use City letterheads from his office to obtain those funds.Letterhead or not we all new he was the mayor of TO.
statusquo 11/27/2012 7:46:42 AM Report

Ernest,

You seem to have been following the Ford story more than I.
I just heard snippets on the radio and glanced through the news story....the man just doesn't interest me that much.
I guess you're right, even if it wasn't blatant corruption one should know and abide by the rules especially when at the head of the largest city in Canada and he should have been aware that his every move will be scrutinized. It does appear the man doesn't give a s_it, but now he must!
Now you wait and see good ole' rw come back at you with a furious vengeance and accuse you of being part of a "lefty" conspiracy.
Take cover and protect yourself....it will be ugly (smiley face)
right wing 11/27/2012 8:05:38 AM Report

statusquo

Why don't you read my post in yesterday's archives.
It already stated what you and your other fellow lefties did on here this morning.
I posted a quote from the judge and a link to the entire article.

Retreaded 11/27/2012 8:09:05 AM Report

Ford needs to spend time on his health. At the rate he is growing he will not see too many elections in his future. HE IS A BULLY,,,ARROGANT...SELF CENTERED...just what Toronto needs.
right wing 11/27/2012 8:20:32 AM Report

So Rob Ford gets kicked from office for basically using letterhead while a now X-high school principal in New Brunswick gets one year in jail for sex crimes against children.
Yes there is definitely something wrong with the punishment meeting the crime in this country.
Does he still get his pension?
Any of you fellow teachers out there answer that one.....
bounder 11/27/2012 8:22:11 AM Report

Great let,s talk about everyone else ,except ourselves and this city.
right wing 11/27/2012 8:27:58 AM Report

Hahahaha...just what we need another topic whiner.

I'll take the duck.
bounder 11/27/2012 8:40:27 AM Report

RIGHT WING
If you had a left wing you may be a duck.
That said,should,nt we care more about the breakin,s,prostitution,speeding,drugs and everything else in this fair city,and do something about it.Maybe we should fix our problems first.Just a thought.
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 8:48:22 AM Report

bounder,
'Just a thought'

There ain't no room on this site for thoughts. Now, if you have an opinion and an absolutely obstinate way of presenting it, then you're in the right spot.
bounder 11/27/2012 8:55:49 AM Report

BIG BROTHER
Please ingore (just a thought) in my previous post.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 9:05:39 AM Report

Now there's a segue.
From Fatso Ford to a perverted principal.It reminds me of all those parents who defended their children's behavior by saying that:
-he certainly wasn't the only one and was being discriminated against;
-he wouldn't have been caught stealing if it weren't for the gestapo cameras in the school;
-the rule the kid broke was stupid anyway.
Somehow Ford's behavior is now being compared to other stuff out of the context of political chicanery.
Sounds like the myth surrounding Dudley George's murder - he wouldn't have been killed if he wasn't there.
Typical neo-con bafflegab.
skipper dave 11/27/2012 9:10:31 AM Report

Not fair - Left or Right - Does not equate to approval nor rejection of Dear Mr Ford - Total nut bar who does have rights that I feel have been trampled on in the name of justice. Given his track record the man was going to derail sooner or later without any outside help. It's like we were all sitting around with the noose set to go proclaiming that the trial will be fair. I don't like the guy and will celebrate his fall from grace but let's let him do the hanging.
steelworker 11/27/2012 9:11:25 AM Report

...and I thought that the Three Stooges were all dead. My bad.
old-cat33 11/27/2012 9:19:36 AM Report

Off the topic a bit but I had a game over the river on Sunday and coming back it wasn't that bad at all with the traffic? Compared to last year I was stopped past the first hump coming back.And I still think that some of those pulp wood in the St.Mary's yard would make good kin-ling?? Oh and where is that new bridge plaza thingy suppose to go? On which side of the bridge coming back to Canada?
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 9:33:50 AM Report

skipper...if you recall Ford was photoed driving without a seat belt and while talking on his cell phone.
Neither of those are capital crimes but serve as part of a mosaic of the guy's personality.
At the very least he continually shows a lack of mature judgement.
However somewhere there is a line between being 'colorful' and acting beyond common sense.
That kind of stuff worked before the days of instant social media. Today he is less a victim of 'the lefty media' than the author of his own arrogance.
In time he will be relegated to the garbage heap of supposed saviors of society from bleeding hearts.
The GTA is a big diverse group.
They'll find a new icon to worship and the goofiness will take a new plot twist.
Davis, Stanfield and Broadbent must have clones somewhere.
RLE 11/27/2012 10:10:34 AM Report

CTV news last night noted that Rob Ford got turfed over $3,000. If city council decides to hold a by-election to replace him it will cost Toronto taxpayers over one million dollars.
everson 11/27/2012 10:10:40 AM Report

Ford is what is wrong with society, an arrogant twit and he got ousted GOOD.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 10:16:13 AM Report

RLE...you seem to be suggesting that the cost of an election is not worth the democratic right of the people to hit the 'reset' button.
If that is the case where do we draw the line with elected chicanery?$30,000?$300,000?$3M?
Hell - we waste millions on broken submarines to keep us safe from pirates.
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 10:21:42 AM Report

Interesting how Health Canada pulled OxyContin off the shelves in February but now they're allowing a cheaper generic form to hit the shelves.

As far as Ford goes,
http://fordcountdown.com/
na na na na na
Spellchecker 11/27/2012 10:43:23 AM Report

Hey shakey, you gotta go to the red room to see Pink Peony's great progress with the 'affect, effect thing'.
Brianne 11/27/2012 11:01:02 AM Report

This is an enormous amount of reading, but please take the time to do so.

http://www.cancertutor.com/
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 11:01:50 AM Report

If you take any of the following drugs, you may want to stay away from grapefruit!

"anti-cancer drugs, including Crizotinib and Pazopanib, antibiotics, including Erythromycin and Quinine, and drugs that treat cardiovascular disease, such as Apixaban and Felodipine"

http://tinyurl.com/chpus67

Grapefruit leads to ‘overdose’ when combined with common drugs, study finds
Brianne 11/27/2012 11:07:01 AM Report

Yes grapefruit is very bad when taking most meds !
Brianne 11/27/2012 11:07:36 AM Report

Yes grapefruit is very bad when taking most meds !
Just Curious 11/27/2012 12:29:12 PM Report

So the Mall owners and engineers want screcy regarding the mall collapse enquiry??? Ok,so what's the point of the enquiry in the first place in that case? I don't care if it's financial or whatever,the damn thing fell down and people were killed...Everything needs to come out,even the financial aspects. That could well be the main reason maintenance was so shoddy on the place...
learningaswego 11/27/2012 12:42:01 PM Report

I'm no fan of Rob Ford, but he was elected by 47% of the voters in Toronto.
Seems like overkill in the extreme, that one or two left-wing union activists, one lawyer and a judge, can now uproot what a few hundred thousand voters put in place.

And all over using city letterhead, to write a letter for donations to a football team - which, incidently is for under-privileged or at-risk youth who live in "the projects" in Toronto.
steelworker 11/27/2012 1:11:38 PM Report

Unlike the Mayor of London who used city funds to pay for a wedding poor Rob Ford did the unthinkable-he used City Hall letterhead paper to raise money for disadvantaged youth. All you lefties go find a tree that will take hizzoners fat ass, I.ll bring the rope. Jack Layton and his wife stole subsidized housing from the taxpayers for years and not a peep from the MSM? Double standards STILL apply in Tarranistan.
learningaswego 11/27/2012 1:14:37 PM Report

By the way - the handful of people behind ousting Ford - none were elected by anybody.
Not surprising in the hypocrisy of it, this was engineered by leftists, who are usually the first to froth and foam at the mouth about "assaults on democracy".
Whether you like Ford or not, when 4 unelected people can oust a politician elected by about 400,000 voters for what is a very minor infraction, then that is the worst "assault on democracy" that I ever recall happening.
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 1:25:04 PM Report

JC, I'm with you on that! They obviously feel the need to hide something from the public in order to try and save their collective asses from losing business in the future!

Ah yes! When I lived in "the projects" in TO, a guy like Ford would have been the perfect mentor...by example, teaching how to be deceptive and to disregard rules and others for your own benefit! Just what those young people need.

Grump 11/27/2012 1:45:05 PM Report

As usual you friends of Mitt are missing the main point. It is against the law and while many may break the law and many may even get away with it. At some point someone will call them on it. Now you can all make all the whiney, lefty excuses you want but he broke the law, he was called on it and he lost. Now it doesn't matter a pinch of duck do do that he was elected by whatever many. He may act like a moron but he is not and ignorance of the law is no excuse period.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 1:50:39 PM Report

First of all - Ford was found guilty by a judge because he broke the rules.
To suggest it was engineered by lefties is stupid.
But once again we get 'innocent by deflection'.
As for the football team, it is Don Bosco HS.I've been there. Like all schools in the 416 area it attracts mostly minority kids. So it isn't much different except it was founded by a Catholic teaching order of priests.
Ford has been dancing around the rules re. conflict in the donations to support this football program since December of '09.
Now his brother is calling for his supporters to show their support for Hizzoner at tomorrow's Metro Bowl in Toronto.
What does that have to do with kids' football?
Finally - a judge has also ruled that Ford cannot run in any new election for his seat - not lefty journalists. A judge.
It does not matter what percentage of the vote Ford got because he broke the rules before and after the mayoralty election.
Pity I didn't go to see SMC this year at their Metro Bowl. I could have walked by the Ford brothers and saluted them.
steelworker 11/27/2012 2:01:14 PM Report

I don't think they allow wankers in the Ford section.
everson 11/27/2012 2:24:41 PM Report

Wankers? WOW SUCH GREAT WORDS.

steelworker 11/27/2012 2:35:41 PM Report

I'm always ready to help the uneducated on this site. (smirky phiz)
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 2:48:56 PM Report

I guess it's safe to assume that SW doesn't go into the Ford section then.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 3:39:03 PM Report

Rob Ford has gotten more attention on here than he deserves.
I don't see him as big an issue as the sadly predictable finger pointing as to why he got canned.
He wasn't done in by lefty media or abducted by aliens.
He thumbed his nose at the rules for too long and finally got nailed.
He's just another bellicose bully who will become a footnote in the history of lousy politicians who use their office to rule instead of to provide thoughtful leadership.
He's not the first and won't be the last.He missed the brass ring of greatness on the political merry-go-round because of weight. Not his obvious corpulence but the weight of the law.
learningaswego 11/27/2012 3:57:04 PM Report

The Ford farce WAS engineered by a well-known to be leftist, Ryerson student, who also claims (probably self-proclaimed rahter than any real credentials) to be a "labour relations" expert.
Surprisingly? (yah right! LOL) he didn't have the balls to put himself out there to take Ford on; rather he weaseled around the backrooms, and got some wealthy people to do his bidding.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 4:06:30 PM Report

learning...bullshit.
You guys never quit.Tape on the colander a bit tighter your melon is swelling.
learningaswego 11/27/2012 4:14:17 PM Report

Well I guess all the other newspapers are wrong or bullshit, then.
Every one of them describes the person behind it as a left-leaning "activist" (which is lefty-speak for unemployed, and probably unemployable).
shakespeare 11/27/2012 4:14:25 PM Report

learning: as usual, you have a very naive take on things. Sure, Ford's action was not horrible, but, as the judge said, he had a "stubborn sense of entitlement" like many who achieve power do. Witness our own CEO. Ford could have easily got himself out of this but thought he was above it all.
As an analogy, we all know about the marijuana laws and how the great majority feel the laws are not reflective of their beliefs. I know many police officers concur. What Ford metaphorically did is basically walk up to a police officer and blow marijuana smoke in his face. What else could the judge do?
steelworker 11/27/2012 4:23:26 PM Report

I guess that Rob Ford has sunk to the same level as Connie Black (Lord Ankle-grabber of Cell Block H) with his "false sense of entitlement". The horror,the horror.
Grump 11/27/2012 4:36:11 PM Report

Steelworker you finally have it right, They are both, born to the manor neo-cons who believe what they want is always the right thing and to hell with any commoners opinion. Now you keep kissing up to the like of them and they may give you the sweat off one of the boys if you were dying of thirst. Then again likely not.
steelworker 11/27/2012 4:41:23 PM Report

Sorry Grump but I don't swing that way and if I did I'd probably have to shove you out of the way.
shakespeare 11/27/2012 4:44:04 PM Report

steely: it's funny that you have quoted what rw commonly does ... "the Horror the Horror".
Are you familiar with its context and what happens immediately afterwards to its speaker in the famous book that many students hated, because most people are not eager to confront their own primitive, godless instincts?
Start googling!
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 4:45:09 PM Report

Grump,
You hit it (steelworker) on the head!! Cut from the same cloth and the cheerleaders are lining up saying 'thank you mother; give me another'!! They think, if they cheer for these self-entitled people they will become part of their crew. Last team in the world a thinking person would want to be part of. Pack of bullies.

Same with Mitt....he absolutely despises the 47% and it backfired on him.

LAWGO, democracy is the most inefficient form of government. And the most costly. Would you rather the alternatives. Hitler maybe?? Change the laws, but don't blame the messenger!!

realitycheck 11/27/2012 4:50:42 PM Report

"From Fatso Ford . . . "

flyhawk:
Cheap shot. Ford's weight doesn't have anything to do with this.

"By the way - the handful of people behind ousting Ford - none were elected by anybody."

Learning:
Neither were the people elected who lodged the complaint against Joe Fratesi when he got the job of CAO. In conflict cases, it is usually members of the public who lay the complaint. In regard to your backroom comment, in that post I have no idea what the hell you are saying but it is probably a stretch.

Long before the public got involved Ford was in trouble. He was ordered to pay back the money by the commissioner. He didn't want to and this was his undoing. He spoke at council against his having to pay it back, which was probably a borderline conflict. But then he voted, and won his case. Voting was clearly a conflict and I can't see why anybody would complain about those who brought the complaint forward. Would you have the public disregard conflict in all instances or are there some you could stomach? Politics should have nothing to do in these cases. It should just involve whether there is a conflict or not. That is all a judge can go on. In this case the judge made the right call. Ford only has to sit out this term, which means he can run again two years from now.



BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 4:52:40 PM Report

Clinton was impeached for less. He lied to congress about a fling he had. Dubya lied to congress about WMD and nada. Reagan lied about Iran/Contra and nada.

See a pattern here. Do you understand the difference between bombing the crap out of a country and justifying the action based on lies versus having a fling with a willing debutante and lying to your wife about it? The only victim were the dress and the people who had to suffer for months of GOP crap.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 5:16:56 PM Report

shakes...you are asking a question about Conrad's masterpiece to the colander crowd.
There are days on here when I think - surely they're not really serious. But they continue and I realize that is what happens to someone with a soapbox and no education.
I was fortunate enough to have a remarkable teacher who required us to read classics early in high school. For no extra credit.
He went on to get his PhD but at the time we just thought he was nuts.Now years later his body of work shines and we unwashed recruits he force fed great fiction, rhetoric and debate to marvel at how fortunate we were.
His name was Bob Dixon and his lessons made many of us into the men we are.
He did not suffer fools well and it rubbed off.
steelworker 11/27/2012 5:33:43 PM Report

I think Fly got stuck on "The Heart of Dorkness"
right wing 11/27/2012 5:38:50 PM Report

The bottom line is the judge that handed down the ruling was, by what he stated, basically saying that if he had the flexibility he would not of ousted Ford as the punishment, it did not fit what had taken place.
...but he had no choice.
What Ford did was not that serious.
There was a panel on CBC this morning debating it and that was also the overall consensus, this law carries to big a hammer, no flexibility and needs to be rewritten.
This issue it not over by a long shot.

...flyhawk, he sure must have suffered with you.
mallet 11/27/2012 5:53:00 PM Report

Grump...

However much we disagree on some political views, I think we both agree somewhat on the integrity politicians should have, wether municipal, provincial or federal. When someone is first elected they should try and learn what the basic rules are, so they do not fall into the trap of entitlement. It seems Mr Ford did just that, and did not have the decency to come clean, admit he had done wrong and accepted that fact. What really Pss's me off is that, it has cost the taxpayer thousands of dollars, taken time in court,which could have been better spent prosecuting a real criminal, who has hurt someone physically or financially and will now be able to kick back for a few more weeks because this case had to go thro the system.
steelworker 11/27/2012 5:58:31 PM Report

Big Brother: Clinton not only lied to his butchy wife he had the nerve to go on t.v. and flat-out lie to the American people-and the suckers swallowed it faster than Monica. Just seeing that old letch on the tube during the election creeped me out. On a lighter note I see that they are digging up Arafat to see if he died from choking on a Baconator or if the Israelis gave him a polonium/porkchop enema.
realitycheck 11/27/2012 6:05:26 PM Report

"The bottom line is the judge that handed down the ruling was, by what he stated, basically saying that if he had the flexibility he would not of ousted Ford as the punishment, it did not fit what had taken place.
...but he had no choice."

Right Wing:
Yes, he had no choice because he found Ford guilty. Once that happened, what would you have him do, just say, "OK, carry on." The following is from the judge's ruling. I think it is quite clear, when he talks of Ford's stubborn sense of entitlement and dismissive attitude toward the commissioner and Code of Conduct, where he stood on the issue.

71. For the Mayor, integrity in government should be a top priority.

The Mayor of Toronto has many responsibilities, pressures, and functions, but perhaps the greatest is providing leadership for integrity in government. The Mayor is the face of City government, both internally and externally. Maintaining the integrity of government is the Mayor’s most important job.

In view of the respondent’s leadership role in ensuring integrity in municipal government, it is difficult to accept an error in judgment defence based essentially on a stubborn sense of entitlement (concerning his football foundation) and a dismissive and confrontational attitude to the Integrity Commissioner and the Code of Conduct. In my opinion, the respondent’s actions were characterized by ignorance of the law and a lack of diligence in securing professional advice, amounting to wilful blindness. As such, I find his actions are incompatible with an error in judgment.

[59] In summary, I find that the respondent has failed in his burden to show that his contraventions of the MCIA were the result of a good faith error in judgment.

Disposition

[60] For the reasons set out above, I have concluded that the respondent contravened s. 5 of the MCIA when he spoke and voted on a matter in which he had a pecuniary interest at the meeting of Toronto City Council on February 7, 2012, and that his actions were not done by reason of inadvertence or a good faith error in judgment. I am, therefore, required by s. 10(1)(a) of the MCIA to declare the respondent’s seat vacant. In view of the significant mitigating circumstances surrounding the respondent’s actions, as set out in paragraph 48 of these reasons, I decline to impose any further disqualification from holding office beyond the current term.
bounder 11/27/2012 6:22:45 PM Report

Well, there it is Ford apology,nothing to gain personaly and nothing for Toronto to lose.Nitpicking for sure.
shakespeare 11/27/2012 6:24:48 PM Report

steely: a question. Are you British?
right wing 11/27/2012 6:28:21 PM Report

realitycheck

The judge also raised concerns with the legislation by which he was bound. Under the act, a violation of the act must lead to the politician losing his or her seat. With few exceptions the judge cannot exercise discretion on deciding an appropriate penalty.

"The mandatory removal from office for contravening s. 5(1) of the MCIA is a very blunt instrument and has attracted justified criticism and calls for legislative reform," Hackland wrote.

Toronto's former integrity commissioner David Mullan several years ago described the provision as a "sledgehammer," Hackland noted."

If the judge did not have concerns with this law he would not have taken the time to point out what he did.
Of course he found him guilty, that is not being disputed what the judge was basically saying is if he had the flexibility he would have exercised it and not ousted him from office.
What is it that you do not understand about that??
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 6:29:14 PM Report

realitycheck...thanks for doing the legwork on this.
There's still time for the colander crowd to move to Toronto to vote for Ford in two years.
For those who need bus fare call 1-800-fatso.
Apparently he keeps a shoe box full next to the Tim Bits in his SUV.
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 6:31:15 PM Report

'Big Brother: Clinton not only lied to his butchy wife he had the nerve to go on t.v. and flat-out lie to the American people'

Hate to break it to you steely, but Dubya did the same thing, except he dragged the country into a war, killing 4,000 troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
shakespeare 11/27/2012 6:41:41 PM Report

Brianne: I feel remiss in not asking before (and this has nothing to do with the prowess of your upper-body accoutrements mentioned a couple of weeks ago), but did the man from Shaw get your digital box working to your satisfaction ... and did he charge you $25 for it?
right wing 11/27/2012 6:49:06 PM Report

flyhawk25,

Your use of the word fat and fatso in reference to Rob Ford fits your true colours like a glove...and you lecture others about civility and name calling.
Shameful.
Hypocrisy once again at it's best and always the best examples courtesy of the left.
shakespeare 11/27/2012 6:51:18 PM Report

its
statusquo 11/27/2012 6:59:46 PM Report

"steely: a question. Are you British?"

Why yes.... he certainly is. He was born in Shitterton, near Dorchester.
All Is Well 11/27/2012 7:05:02 PM Report

Suppose I am a business man, lobbyist, or someone who has business with a municipal government and receives a letter asking for a donation(worthy or not), from the mayor/football coach, on city letterhead. Suppose I don't donate and lose a contract, zoning change, or whatever. Would you always think that by giving or not giving had anything to do with the decision made by the city government?
That is why the Toronto mayor was found guilty and not the money. The judge only kicked him out of office and did not rule to deny Ford from seeking public office in the future. He can run again if he so pleases.
realitycheck 11/27/2012 7:17:56 PM Report

If the judge did not have concerns with this law he would not have taken the time to point out what he did.
Of course he found him guilty, that is not being disputed what the judge was basically saying is if he had the flexibility he would have exercised it and not ousted him from office.
What is it that you do not understand about that??

Right Wing:
I understand it quite well. If you read the following from the decision, you might too.


[22] In summary, it is the respondent’s position that as a matter of policy and statutory interpretation, a Council member’s pecuniary interest in a matter, sufficient to engage s. 5(1) of the MCIA, must mean a personal pecuniary benefit arising from a city commercial or business matter before council. It is submitted that s. 5(1) cannot be interpreted to apply, as in the present case, to a situation in which a member of council is simply speaking about a potential pecuniary sanction he or she may be facing.

[23] I am, however, of the opinion that the applicant’s position is correct, that s. 5(1) of the MCIA means what it clearly says and that there is no interpretive basis for excluding the operation of s. 5(1) from municipal Code of Conduct matters. Section 5 of the MCIA clearly and broadly states that where a member, “has any pecuniary interest ... in any matter,” and is present at a meeting of council, he or she is to disclose his or her interest and must neither take part in the discussion of nor vote on the matter. There is no basis on which the court can restrict or read down the meaning of “any matter” to exclude potential financial sanctions arising from Code of Conduct violations. I note parenthetically that reading down the operation of statutory provisions otherwise applicable is a constitutional remedy and no Charter issues have been raised by the parties in this proceeding. Furthermore, there is no authority for implying a right to be heard in the face of a statutory provision (such as s. 5(1) of the MCIA), which specifically denies such a right.

[24] As learned commentators have noted, there may be a procedural fairness deficiency if councillors are precluded, at council meetings, from discussing potential findings or pecuniary sanctions which may be levied against them. I would regard these considerations as requiring study and possibly law reform, but they cannot provide a basis for restricting clear statutory provisions. In any event, audi alteram partem does not have anything to do with and cannot provide a justification for voting (rather than speaking) on a matter, as the respondent chose to do in this case
skipper dave 11/27/2012 7:20:20 PM Report

Just because Mr Ford comes from a very small gene pool is no reason to defrock the poor slob. Look at some other shining stars who have kept their jobs. "Garge Dubbya" Ronald Reagan Mel Lastmen and lastly that famous brewer Billy Carter.
everson 11/27/2012 7:20:59 PM Report

Steelwanker a butchy wife is better than your inflatable contraption faux fur and all.
Pegasus2 11/27/2012 7:22:17 PM Report

Big Brother: Clinton not only lied to his butchy wife

Butchy wife? Bags of class, steelworker, bags of class. You do a disservice to the people whose name you bear.
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 7:26:25 PM Report

right wing...I'll type this slowly so you can understand.
Nah. Too much work.
There's a difference between calling Ford 'fatso' than calling another poster a name.For example I use many terms here: Mitt's Moron's; the colander crowd;gasbags...
I'm sure you've got a list somewhere.
But I don't think I call any specific poster a name.
In fact in your case I call you 'pal' or 'my friend'.
If Ford were a poster on here I would not call him that.However he is a public figure -larger than life in fact - so he is fair game.He is fat.That is not subjective. He is also a bully. That is subjective.
The terms used here by some of the posters in reference to Obama and Mrs. Clinton are often racially based or sexist.
I have a problem with that. Especially when these same people do it to other posters but never have the courage to face-off with those they name call at.
Consequently the narrative on this site often diminishes to silly sniping and giggling.
As for you calling me a hypocrite. Fine. I am many things but not that.But if you feel better - go ahead.
I have been called worse by better people.
Now...do you want to discuss issues or just jab and run.
Oldie Goldie 11/27/2012 7:33:56 PM Report

Ford will win his appeal and stay as Mayor of Toronto.

I am really surprised that the Judge removed him from Office before any appeal could be launched.

Let me say that there was no pecuniary interest for Ford except for the money for his Foundation for Sports for disadvantaged children.

He voted for the issue at Toronto Council because he believed that he had no pecuniary interest in the outcome of his vote.

His only mistake was using the Toronto Council letterhead on his appeal for funds for a non-profit group and Ford received no money for himself for his efforts.
everson 11/27/2012 7:34:07 PM Report

Pegs you have to forgive Steels because loneliness brings the worst in some men. I plead for compassion
northernmale 11/27/2012 7:34:09 PM Report

Off the subject of politics here. Can anyone tell me have any homes in the Soo ever tested positive for radon gas??I do rember seeing test kits to do this yourself for $25.00. I see adverts wanting to come into your home and do this test for $225.00
steelworker 11/27/2012 7:35:44 PM Report

Everson: I got the faux fur to look like a lightning bolt. Tres' chic. Pigass 2: please feel free to pound some sand. In a democratic way of course.
statusquo 11/27/2012 8:04:45 PM Report

Fly,

rw seems all huffy and puffy because you called Ford fat. Well...Ford IS fat!
Not rotund, not big boned...but really fat. Probably has bad body odour too...but that is just a guess.

Then he goes on this tiresome lefty righty thing again.

Yet he sees no problem with this jewell.....




"right wing 9/12/2010 10:49:19 AM Report


"When I saw Obama bowing to the Saudi King, (he even screwed that up) I thought Wow... Gorilla girl ripped his off already??"

Gorilla girl?

It's not even his original idea....I am sure our pal "steelworker" from Shitterton came up with that first....rw merely plagiarized it!

These two guys really should get a room!

Resident 11/27/2012 8:11:15 PM Report

Good one Statusquo!!!
statusquo 11/27/2012 8:18:17 PM Report

No prob resident,

and he posted that in the AM....so he can't use the excuse that he was drinking....or can he?
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 8:32:10 PM Report

northernmale

Here's a link to a Cross-Canada Survey of Radon Concentration of Homes done by the government of Canada. If you scroll down to Table 5, you'll see the results for the District of Algoma Health Unit.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/radiation/radon/survey-sondage-eng.php

I would imagine that the Algoma Health Unit should be able to answer any questions you might have.

My personal take on the radon testing advertising is that they have found something to make a business out of and it's based on fear-mongering. Just my opinion.
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 8:34:57 PM Report

Status, You have to be fair to RW. That was more than two years ago. He may have matured/grown up since then. Ahem.
statusquo 11/27/2012 8:52:17 PM Report

You're of course correct Pink Peony,

rw is really not a bad guy...I met him....he is funny, but his diet is off. He lacks essential nutrients...his free radicals are running amok.
His trip up the mountain was supposed to bring some serenity to his life...after the dreadful defeat of Mitt in the election but alas...to no avail. His rage has taken a toll.
But you have to give him credit...he is back in here day after day, fighting the lonely fight, with his single celled sidekick steels at his side...unlike bluesslinger who is prevented from posting and under supervision, being kept busy with brain stimulating activities in a caring environment and a plethora of meds and shock therapy.
Pink Peony 11/27/2012 9:01:49 PM Report

I think I met RW too, at the Legion. I couldn't point him out to you if my life depended on it though.
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:13:43 PM Report

Meanwhile...back at the ranch...

South of the border the economy is not only stabilizing but shows signs of mild improvement...fiscal cliff or not.
The housing market is inching up...slowly for sure, but encouraging.
Most economic markers are pointing up, despite Obama.(smiley face)
Europe is falling deeper into recession and China is slowing down.
Canada is holding steady due to consecutive responsible governments imposing REGULATIONS, with the exception of the one we have now.
Our current government is doing exactly what got the rest of the world in trouble.
The myth that conservative governments are beneficial for the economy is a myth that can be disproved time and again .


flyhawk25 11/27/2012 9:17:12 PM Report

Pink Peony...let's get off this.
When someone like SQ starts going into the archives to quote our resident expert we are on the road to literary finger painting.
In a short while Rob Ford will join the ash heap of fallen neo-con heroes.
Think about it.
The list includes, but is not limited to GWB,Mitt,Palin,the clown parade from the GOP wanna be presidents in America.
Here we have Harris, Eves and posse.Now Ford joins the pantheon of rigid white cats who believe they have a divine right to rule.
A basket of ripe tomatoes has more wit, wisdom and taste.
We have heard ad nauseum about how there is no global warming, no need for the rule of law and that big business knows more than our mothers.
Eventually Harper and Flaherty will slide off under a rock in the sea of reason.
Remember that big dumb jerk in school who bullied everyone? Then later in life you saw him again - bald, fat and treating you like a long lost relative?
Well his spawn now have computers, lousy writing and social skills.
They stand out in any social gathering because they never learned the fundamentals of living in daylight with different people.
Best to ignore them because they cannot be changed.
nanag 11/27/2012 9:17:13 PM Report

Statusquo

"Well...Ford IS fat!
Not rotund, not big boned...but really fat. Probably has bad body odour too...but that is just a guess."

SQ..so do you think all fat people in general have body odor????

Wow!! I hate to burst your self righteous bubble but not all overweight people smell
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:28:37 PM Report

Geez nanag,


take a pill (or a drink) and lighten up.

This room is all about embellishments and exaggerations...for me it's all about pushing some buttons and see who I get out of the woodworks or swamp.
You take issue with me but ignore the vile comments of the likes of steeles and the arrogance of rw .
This room is for mental masturbation....nothing more...nothing less....so rub and enjoy.
My comment was about Ford....an individual who I imagine stinks. Literally and figuratively.....
Some fat people stink...some don't...some skinny people stink...some dont. Ford stinks!
There...I fixed it for ya.
nanag 11/27/2012 9:31:56 PM Report

Bite Me .. :)
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:33:31 PM Report

Where?
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 9:34:53 PM Report

Can you guys slow down...I wanna make some popcorn!!
nanag 11/27/2012 9:36:33 PM Report

SQ

Hmmm let me think on that a moment
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:37:59 PM Report

Big Bro,

Hang on will you...she didn't tell me where she wants to get bitten.....I'll do almost anything...except toes...I don't do toes.....
flyhawk25 11/27/2012 9:40:22 PM Report

BB...best idea all night!
Can I borrow your teeth? I promise to clean them when I'm done. Just leave your address on the back or I'll forget where I got them.
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 9:44:30 PM Report

fly wants in on the action!!
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:44:43 PM Report

nanag,

I know the line of work you're in.....so...bare with me....my significant other is in the same line of work....and as you know, "yous" guys can't talk about what you do...but..every once and again certain tidbits do come out...in general...and let me tell you.....God (where ever he might be) bless you and I sure as hell wouldn't want to do what you do.


nanag 11/27/2012 9:44:45 PM Report

somewhere sensitive,where the slightest breath causes ......???
Hmmm sorry I sort of forgot where I was for a minute :D
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 9:45:05 PM Report

Use your own teeth fly.
realitycheck 11/27/2012 9:46:10 PM Report

"Ford will win his appeal and stay as Mayor of Toronto.
I am really surprised that the Judge removed him from Office before any appeal could be launched.
Let me say that there was no pecuniary interest for Ford except for the money for his Foundation for Sports for disadvantaged children.
He voted for the issue at Toronto Council because he believed that he had no pecuniary interest in the outcome of his vote.

Oldie:
There was pecuniary interest. He was ordered to repay the money. That was coming out of his pocket. How can you say that there was no pecuniary interest? It wasn't big bucks but it was bucks.
As for winning his appeal, you were in the political arena long enough to know that it would have been wiser to couch your bets on that one because, according to the judge, there was a conflict, and that was what the issue was all about.
BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 9:47:28 PM Report

and that's why he's called realitycheck!!
statusquo 11/27/2012 9:49:34 PM Report

Fly,

Forget your teeth......you won't need them...come on over, I have apricot flavored Jello. Darlene might need a pump up...I'll let you....just for today...a pre X-Mas thing.

(I used the X-Mas just to piss off Ace of Bass)

BIG BROTHER 11/27/2012 9:49:42 PM Report

SQ,
I never knew Darlene worked the 1-900 numbers! nanag sounds like she does. My screen is getting all steamed up...50 shades of grey!
nanag 11/27/2012 9:50:42 PM Report

well lets just say ..in my line of work.. there is no mystery.. seen one body part you've seen them all.. of course having said that .. I don't get to see too many healthy well ummmm formed individuals.. mostly wore out wrinkled and not the least bit enticing ..
nanag 11/27/2012 10:03:03 PM Report

Big Brother

I don't work 1-900 numbers. I just have an imagination running amok.
I don't have a male Darlene doll.. are there blow up dolls for women??? and I am not talking about the D..do. Seriously.. are there?? Maybe I should be googling that question :D
statusquo 11/27/2012 10:07:31 PM Report

BB,

What you don't know about Darlene could fill a warehouse...
She is one versatile gal....

Nanag,

so tell me....(trying to sound like the Dos Equis beer Commercial "Most Interisting Guy in the world) where would you like to be bitten....

The funny thing is...the actor portraying the "Most interesting Guy In the World" is Jonathan Goldsmith.
He is Jewish and I don't know how suave "where's my breakfast bagel" would sound in the morning after a night of passionate sex....
nanag 11/27/2012 10:24:03 PM Report

Lordy ... one must be careful what they google

is that Goldsmith guy the one that says things like.."I don't always drink beer , but when I do .... ?? or whatever he says??

I think it's time for...tea

it is funny what the mind thinks and what the mouth says..the two are rarely in sync at times :D
AceOfBass 11/28/2012 12:11:02 AM Report

Kudos to the Person who filed the complain about Rob Ford.

Mayor Rowswell was in conflict of Interest over Searchmont when he voted to give them money.

His engineering firm did the contract work for Searchmont.He knew he would get the contract because that work is what his company specialized in.

Yet he still voted and never called a conflict.

Mayor Rowswell was loved by this city because he tried to make a difference.

Mayor Rowswell believed in the potential of Sault Ste Marie and went to Ottawa to get things done.

Mayor Rowswell was lucky whereas Rob Ford had one person with money who got him.No left wing agenda just someone who got it right.
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