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View Room Comments for Monday, Nov. 12 2012

Monday, November 12, 2012   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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jean-paul 11/12/2012 5:13:01 AM Report

Monday quack quack quack quack quack wet wet quack, more quackers later quack quack.
Brianne 11/12/2012 5:40:08 AM Report

Great day for ducks !

Thought for the day

"many people think that we live in a civilized age of high technology, in just few decades we went from transferring information, from the telegraph to the radio to the television and wirelessly to computers and then to satellites that can transfer information in an instant anywhere on the globe.

but at the same time people are starving all over the world, we're depleting our resources and damaging our environment at an accelerating rate, and war and military expansions etc ..,

so in other words our technology is racing forward but our social design and the values that they generate are really still at the tale end of the middle-ages,
we see wonderful predictions of future technologies but nothing about how these technologies can organize society efficiently and equitably so that everyone and i mean everyone on the planet can benefit from them."

Roxanne Medows - The Venus Project

skipper dave 11/12/2012 6:21:51 AM Report

Good morning sweet Soo! Good morning sweet "Are Dubbya" and special good morning to the folks at the RW mountain top. I use to have a place like that, I could go hide there when things got to be overwhelming. Some guys have man caves, others boats and some a box of beers. Hats off to Fly - Convincing RW to come down out of the tree should fill the seats of the blog colosseum once again. Hey still on the mend from surgery and now am in training for the next bout. Skipper Dave does Radiation and Chemo. Piece of cake!
Grace 11/12/2012 6:59:31 AM Report

Good morning and a happy quack to all!
This link is for RW and Fly.
Grace 11/12/2012 7:04:58 AM Report

RW and Fly this also...

Just how many Americans are "Rich"??
I don't think I've ever heard a number.
How does the U.S. taxation formulas compare?
Grace 11/12/2012 7:05:46 AM Report

Compare to Canadian formulas..
Grump 11/12/2012 7:23:30 AM Report

Good morning all. Welcome back rw and I see the Blue Room is now back on track. Have a great,wet day all.
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 7:54:55 AM Report

I spent considerable time this weekend reading blogs from all over the US.
Frankly I was surprised at how closely the radical views from them paralleled what is on here.
It caused me to think of three movements I am familiar with most recently: McCarthyism,the John Birch Society post Goldwater and the Tea Party.
In the first two instances reasoned moderation won out and I believe it will again.
In Canada we have recently endured the Harris Common Sense Revolution, the Reformers morphing into the Conservatives and Rob Ford's run in Toronto.
I found it interesting that in both Canada and the US military IDs list blood type and religion but never political affiliation.
We are simply Canadians or Americans.
I think that is what
President Obama is trying to get the country to see.
And our PM should aspire to as well.
nanag 11/12/2012 8:11:46 AM Report

good morning

I am trying to get out of here on time today but here I am reading the posts. Good or bad this has become part of my morning routine.

Skipper Dave.. you hang in there.. you seem to have a good attitude and that plays a huge part in any illness/recovery.

Ohhh geez... It's garbage day... gotta runnnnnnnn ... now I'm really gonna be late :)
right wing 11/12/2012 8:24:17 AM Report

"shakespeare 11/11/2012 9:48:30 PM Report

rw: I really enjoy a chance to engage a worthy adversary in a good intellectual argument."

Shakey if you are looking for a worthy adversary on your level you should have told us.
O.K. folks, listen up, the next time prolific gets on the site leave her alone, shakey needs her.
steelworker 11/12/2012 8:36:34 AM Report

Just get Everson to fill in.
right wing 11/12/2012 8:41:55 AM Report

Now for my "pal", the fly.
Shut up...hahahaha, good luck with that one.
I come back and read through four days of angry lefties and after their horse won the race.
I can understand some face rubbing, fair game, but four days frothing and still blaming Bush....really now.
It made me realize that it is true, lefties are just naturally angry folks.
And I get asked if I like stirring the pot...I guess hypocrisy goes along with perpetual anger.
Remember when Harper won fly, go back and see the difference, I did.
So is it the soup kitchen, I want to settle up this week as being indebted to a lefty leaves me with an unclean feeling.

...and I would love to hear your theory.
Come on, go for it.
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 8:51:40 AM Report

right wing...I don't care how filthy you feel as long as the folks at the Soup Kitchen get a hundred bucks. Again.
Either you can drop it off or give it to me and I will.
Grace 11/12/2012 9:01:49 AM Report

I think you should both go! Take pictures...they last longer!
right wing 11/12/2012 9:04:24 AM Report


You know that they will get it.
Your name and the reason shall be mentioned to Calna as I will give it to her personally.
everson 11/12/2012 9:08:25 AM Report

Steels last week you were raked on the coals..beaten down to where you belong, a cave or your mothers basement. Your impetulant behaviour is not warranted or appreciated on here. Go away. Shoo
steelworker 11/12/2012 9:15:20 AM Report

"Impetulant"-crikey another English Major.
right wing 11/12/2012 9:15:45 AM Report

The tea party hating is also still alive and well spearheaded by flyhawk.
Do you know why the left hates the Tea Party movement so much.
The Tea party has no one leader they can attack, it is a leaderless movement.
They are simply "the people" that the lefties claim to represent and care so much about.
The problem is these people are against everything the left is for, big government, a free ride and redistribution of wealth.
The Tea Party also, unlike the "Occupiers", have jobs and had to return home each night so they protest peacefully, no thefts, assaults, murders, rapes, spitting and clawing.

old-cat33 11/12/2012 9:17:26 AM Report

So Leon's bought The Brick eh? That's because they are scared of other American stores coming in and being competitive with lower prices.
BUT! It's to late, Wallie Mart is here!!

If we only had a Costco we would be all set.
right wing 11/12/2012 9:18:30 AM Report


So does asIseeit pay rent at your house or is it a free ride, has asIseeit been evicted or just suppressed for now?

old-cat33 11/12/2012 9:20:18 AM Report

Skipper Dave:Atta be tough ole buddy. Then anybody who hangs with JP has to be tough!....LOL
old-cat33 11/12/2012 9:23:02 AM Report

Anybody ever buy furniture across the ditch? If so would they deliver over here?
JUSTANOTHERNAME 11/12/2012 9:31:26 AM Report

Old-Cat most of the furniture stores across the ditch deliver here for a fee. They also deliver several times a week so great service.
everson 11/12/2012 9:35:18 AM Report

right wing what medications are you on? Please
Right Winger 11/12/2012 9:39:22 AM Report

old cat,

And you have just hit on why we won't get a COSTCO or Target.
skipper dave 11/12/2012 9:42:29 AM Report

Ah just like old home week again - Rw the next time you decide to withdraw for a few days let us know. You were missed. My uncle had a dog like you, cantankerous and surly as any junk yard dog. He went to the vets for a week and the whole family felt genuine grief. Nice to have you back!
right wing 11/12/2012 9:51:54 AM Report

Thanks skipper.
I had asked about you during your absence (there is a time to put away ones sword) and were glad to hear you were on the mend.
I said a prayer for you although it was not really needed, God looks after the fools.
I would have posted I was leaving but time did not permit as it was an unexpected I hate them little planes.
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 10:21:14 AM Report

I bet.
And the straight jacket must have chafed.
I think we're all glad that the Skipper made it back.
There's a lesson there.
None of this political silliness is nearly as important as health and family.
Many of us on here are 'of an age'.
One day we will cease posting, the veil of anonymity will be lifted and many of the survivors will gather after the service for egg salad sandwiches.
Life will go on.
Grump 11/12/2012 11:33:24 AM Report

Well rw you came back older but not wiser. The Tea Party are just nice hard working folks and Rush plays Santa Clause for the poor,coloured, homeless children in his spare time. LMAO. Just the same this B.S. does round out the day a bit. Carry on.
Bad Dawg 11/12/2012 11:37:29 AM Report

was a huge fan of ther brick, got screwed by leons for 9 weeks waiting for a bedroom suite. went in a freaked out got my refund and went to the brick and slept on kickass mattress 2 days later. thats was 4yrs ago and have not set foot in leons since. they lost over 10K too boot!! Will give the brick one chance to still hold up their customer service.
66cherokee 11/12/2012 11:42:59 AM Report

Good morning all. This is an incident that happened in Holland Mich. to one of our Banttam hockey team. They have some girls playing with them. One had her head boarded, she was hurt, but not seriously, and when they complained about the vicineous of this attack, the coach said and I quote "Pussies" and we know what he really meant should be playing in a girls team. The Soo team did win that game, and when the teams were lined up to shake hands, this is what they were told "Close your legs we can smell fish". I thought that in this day and it is 2012 that discrimination was out the door. That coach should not be in the position that he is in. He is telling his players that it's ok. to make those comments. A complaint has been made to the MAHA. It's hopeful that this coach will be removed. By the way the Soo bantam team played in the championship game, work hard, but lost 3-2. We should be proud of them representing Sault Ste. Marie.
shorty38 11/12/2012 12:02:06 PM Report

Good morning, it was great to see and to hear of so many taking part in Remembrance day Services across our great country.
I sometimes wonder how many Canadians are involved in the discussions in this room, as a lot of talk is about our USA neighbours.
Why no outcry about the stopping and selling of the ONTC? but a few locals wanting passenger service on a railbed between SSM and Sudbury that is really not safe for a hand car.
Not one word from any municipal body or from our MP's or MPP's about disbanding something that will devastate our whole Northern Ontario. Only the mayor of Timmins keeps on.
Not one word from any local municpality about our OPP being understaffed along the whole northshore. Why our MTO does not have our truck weigh stations open 24/7, even when they keep talking highway safety.
Only one Mayor that understands his people are at risk when travelling for simple blood tests in severe weather, to the point he has again declared a state of emergency.
And one more, no outcry from our local citizens about the closing of our parks by the Government, this is a slap in the face to every person in Northern Ontario, to anyone that has ever been involved with the Junior Rangers in any way, with any tourist related bussiness.
All to save money, but each day our prorogued Goverment is still announcing grandure giveaways.
There are many things to start discussing about our great area, is anyone interested, or would everyone on here just be happy talkig about something in the good old USA.
realitycheck 11/12/2012 12:29:16 PM Report

Do some checking. Voices were raised about this from Mayors and municipalities from Hearst to North Bay but to no avail. The NDP also fought against it.
cathyh 11/12/2012 12:30:55 PM Report

shorty38: I've tried to bring up the subjects you mentioned but no one seems interested. Good luck.
old-cat33 11/12/2012 12:42:37 PM Report

Bad Dog: That's why I went to Leon's. The Brick screwed me over a few years back. Now when their flyer comes in the Sault Star I don't even browse through it just toss it out.
My dad was a die hard Moore's fan. I think we never had anything unless it came from Moore's...LOL.
Right Winger 11/12/2012 12:44:24 PM Report

Or maybe most Sooites don't see the value in rail service and prefer to drive.
Resident 11/12/2012 1:08:09 PM Report

You know that most people in the Soo prefer to drive themselves rather than have train service how?
Right Winger 11/12/2012 1:12:40 PM Report

Did I say I did?
Grump 11/12/2012 1:32:14 PM Report

The OPP are understaffed because they can not get enough suitable recruits.The ONR got voted down because it has very little ridership and they were losing something like 3 to 400 dollars per rider. If everyone up that way wanted it so bad then why in the hell were they not using it more. We have lived fairly well up here for roughly the last 50 years with no passenger rail service. The Parks I agree on and expect if they didn't have dozens of staff standing around they could maybe afford to keep them open longer.
Just Curious 11/12/2012 1:32:35 PM Report

I have to ask,if our government is currently shut down,what is the purpose of the teacher strike,other than to inconvenience a whole bunch of parents?
atticus 11/12/2012 1:56:43 PM Report

RE: Parks. I think that the government is afraid of problems and subsequent litigation.
66cherokee 11/12/2012 2:08:00 PM Report

Shorty 38

Not only are the Liberals closing down Northern Ontario, but now they are not going to keep going on the conversion of the Thunder Bay Power plant which is coal plant to natural gas. There are 15 more mining companies that are going to want power, and the Liberals say they will build new transmission lines, yeah, I'll beleive it whan I see it. All that money building a line, when all they have to do is the conversion from coal to gas.

If you remember when Mr. Bortolussi was in opposition, he picketed the Conservative who were in power at the time not to close down the Ontario Northlander. He is nothing but a hypocrite.
There are more than the Timmins mayor talking about this. At a mayor meeting not long ago, all northern Ontario mayors made their view known.
Also the MP from North Bay riding.

We need to get rid of the Liberals. We just can't afford them.
sweetc 11/12/2012 2:29:43 PM Report

realitycheck: Not being able to do anything about things didn't stop a number of posters from posting their opinions about the U.S. election day after day after day, week after week after week.

As Canadians they could do sweet didely squat about it but still persisted in posting.
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 2:47:53 PM Report

sweetc...I just finished e-mailing both my provincial and federal rep..
We can do something.
sweetc 11/12/2012 2:52:22 PM Report

Yes I agree we can do something. but it seemed to me that most posters on here would rather complain about something that is totally out of their hands.
jean-paul 11/12/2012 3:07:35 PM Report

Soo Mich. $3.50.9 per gallon,still going down.Admiral, I75 Business spur.
Soo Ont.$1.29.9 per litre has,nt moved for weeks.Now thats what a I call good quacking.Quack quack.
shakespeare 11/12/2012 3:30:25 PM Report

Has anyone else noticed all the alarmist signs around town and ads on this site about Radon. Methinks someone is trying to make a few fast bucks by scaring people, not that I wish to minimize the harm that Radon can do. I understand that one can purchase Radon detection devices at hardware stores and that Ontario is at very low risk.
shakespeare 11/12/2012 3:52:44 PM Report

sweetc. As far as I recall you complained about what others were talking about a couple of weeks ago and in the end took your ball and went back home in a huff, vowing not to return. You were back a day later. Now Seinfeld has its Soup Nazi and it seems that you have set yourself up in a similar position as regards coversation topics. As far as I am a aware, we can discuss anything we want and do not require your approval. I may want to argue with Skipper, fly and right wing on the plight of belly dancers in Morocco for weeks on end and it is really none of your business if we do so.
To paraphrase Dionne Warwick, "Scroll on By"
right wing 11/12/2012 4:11:23 PM Report

...just when I'm enjoying hammering on the guy he comes out with the great post above.
right wing 11/12/2012 4:13:44 PM Report

It is now a building code to install a test pipe for radon through the concrete slab into the soil, new construction only.
Radon is not an issue here.

right wing 11/12/2012 4:14:56 PM Report

flyhawk, I'm sure our provincial and federals reps have your e-mail marked appropriately - reject as junk mail.

sweetc 11/12/2012 4:19:47 PM Report

right wing 11/12/2012 4:24:42 PM Report

right wing 11/12/2012 4:29:35 PM Report

I did not know that individual states could do this but.....

"Within a week of U.S. President Barack Obama's re-election, citizens from 21 states have filed petitions asking to secede from the United States, according to the White House website.

Louisiana was first, posting its request on Nov. 7.

It was soon joined by Texas, on Nov. 9.

In asking for the president to "peacefully grant" permission for his state to withdraw from the union, creator Micah H., of Arlington, wrote: "To do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

Petitioners have one month to obtain 25,000 signatures in order for the president to consider the request.

As of Monday morning, Louisiana had 13,197.

Texas had 17,260.

The petition from Florida was created Saturday -- the same day the state finally declared Obama the victor in this election after another controversial ballot count. On Monday morning, it had 4,823 signatures.

The other 18 states with requests for secession: Alabama, North and South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Michigan, Indiana, North Dakota, Montana, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, New York, Arkansas, Georgia and Missouri.

All quote a passage from the Declaration of Independence that reads "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government."

I do not recall this type of threat under any other President.
I am shocked...bunch of rednecks!

(hahaha...stole their thunder)
mallet 11/12/2012 4:37:53 PM Report

Reality Check...

Yes the NDP did fight against it when it was brought up in the Liberal budget, however were not prepared to bring down the Liberal government at that time and sided with the Liberals to pass their budget which included the sell off of the ONTC. Pretty hard to say you dont agree, but then turn round and agree with the budget sell off,and then say "we fought against the sell off". They all just wanted to keep their jobs until the platinum pensions kick in!!!
Grace 11/12/2012 4:40:42 PM Report

RW..okay...where did you dig this nugget up?
You would think that the media would be all a buzz if this was actually happening..
right wing 11/12/2012 5:12:55 PM Report


Sorry I thought the source was at the top of the story.
Must have missed it while I was cutting and pasting.

World News

QMI Agency

Monday, November 12, 2012 3:34:48 EST
right wing 11/12/2012 5:16:00 PM Report

...and Grace, come now you know better...the media couldn't pin this one on Bush so whats to report.

RLE 11/12/2012 5:19:40 PM Report


Your 10:21 AM post where you wrote "None of this political silliness is nearly as important as health and family." was appropriate for me today. I just came from visiting the family of a friend who died. We all need to remember what you said
shakespeare 11/12/2012 5:29:18 PM Report

and to follow up from you, RLE, and from fly's earlier post, I had the sad occasion today to go a funeral for a young man who was not "of that age". Unlike those whom we honoured yesterday, he had a different battle- a long battle with alcohol, which he lost.
There but for fortune ...
sweetc 11/12/2012 5:34:06 PM Report

do we have a problem with radon gas in our area?
right wing 11/12/2012 5:35:49 PM Report

There but for the grace of God, go I.

It's O.K. shakey you can say it, you won't burst into flames.....
shakespeare 11/12/2012 5:40:25 PM Report

I know I won't, but actually I was quoting Phil Ochs.
right wing 11/12/2012 5:46:16 PM Report

Phil Ochs, well I must protest.
Resident 11/12/2012 5:50:28 PM Report

Right Wing: re: passenger train ridership. It sounded like you were sure that people (most?) didn't want a passenger train. I just wondered what gave you that idea. Because the government said so? (Surely you don't agree with a Liberal statement?)
Brianne 11/12/2012 5:55:52 PM Report

rw ! Come on, it's not the "state legislature" wanting to separate......... it's people on their own, living within a state starting up a petition.

flyhawk25 11/12/2012 6:26:27 PM Report

Think about how goofy that secession petition is.
Then think about who the signers are.
Now...ask yourself.
How many of them just marked it with an X.
They can't count ballots in some of those states and they are going to mount a revolution?
Are you nuts?
Grace 11/12/2012 6:43:02 PM Report

Question is...if there is legislation in place that has the criteria for legal separation..and the states RW has listed follow the letter of the law as perscribed.
Can the president ignore the petitions of the people?
If he did would he then be breaking the law himself?
Brianne 11/12/2012 6:49:45 PM Report

Dig deeper Grace......Martial Law is about to appear.
Grace 11/12/2012 6:51:48 PM Report is nuts.
Canadian politics is rather boring by comparison.
Grace 11/12/2012 6:53:07 PM Report

Brianne...let's hope this movement withers on the vine before that happens.
Brianne 11/12/2012 6:53:37 PM Report

Oh and what country would be the first to step in to create an "alliance" with the "free state" ?

The same one that has high interests in Canada right now......... the same one that can make an offer on whatever they want in Canada, and the gov't can't do a damn thing about it and cannot refuse that offer.

Ever hear of "Made in _ _ _ _ "
Grace 11/12/2012 6:57:22 PM Report

Wonder if that is why they built all those internment camps...hmmm??
I think i'm going to buy shares in tinfoil..light weight metal hats may become the new fashion..
shakespeare 11/12/2012 7:12:44 PM Report

Girls, Girls , Girls ... and this includes rw. They need 25,000 votes. Alabama has probably that many KKK on a city block. It means nothing. They present the petition, the president says FU and the world continues. HOWEVER, wouldn't it be fun if he were to say that he was prepared to let one of them go, preferably the one with the most whites. Can you imagine the belly-aching that would ensue. It's all fun; it's all part of the American dream!
Brianne 11/12/2012 7:13:06 PM Report

Just make sure that tin foil hat is in the shape of a Coolie !
Grace 11/12/2012 7:28:33 PM Report

Shakes...I'd still be interested in reading the complete actual documentation that supports their action.
What if the president can't say FU?
RW started this tinfoil topic..let's see the paperwork..with all the legal eagle jargin!
Brianne 11/12/2012 7:30:31 PM Report

Well........ I've been up since 5 am, to catch the 6 am bus to work......... the daily beer delivery has arrived next door, the stereo is cranked and the 6 month old puppy that means nothing to anyone over there now is chained up outside in the cold , barking his head off, looking for attention and warmth............ and i'm getting more upset by the minute.........this is the 5th night in a row now.........gotta love it, grrrrrrrr.

Oh to be able to afford one of the 50 or so years old "luxury' apts in this city that now rent for $1,200 a month plus PUC.......... How the heck do people do it ? Starve ?
Brianne 11/12/2012 7:32:36 PM Report

There you go Grace !
Grace 11/12/2012 7:33:46 PM Report

B..Go swipe the puppy!
right wing 11/12/2012 7:38:46 PM Report


Your idiotic KKK and FU post does not answer the question now does it.
They have a month to reach 25,000 signatures and some are close in the first few days.
I came across this and had not heard of it before, you obviously know nothing about it either.

I shall do my googling and find out what, if any, "teeth" this has.
Grace 11/12/2012 7:39:04 PM Report

Thanks for the link but where can I see the legal wording saying the petition for this type of action is valid.
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 7:40:25 PM Report

Here's a simple solution.
Give them Texas.
Put a big honking barbed wire fence around it.
Put all the red necks ,Tea Party wackos and some of Mitt's Morons from here in it.
Make Sarah Palin the Supreme War Goddess and NASCAR Motor-momma.
Then make Rush the Big Bubba.
Problem solved.
Grace 11/12/2012 7:40:55 PM Report

Oh I see RW is on the case!
right wing 11/12/2012 7:43:22 PM Report

As of 1 p.m. today Texas has crossed the 25,000 signature requirement which according to constitutional law will require action by the White House.

....more googling to do.
shakespeare 11/12/2012 7:50:42 PM Report

Keep googling rw. As usual you will find that you, not I, are the idiot!
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 7:52:56 PM Report

right wing...keep at it!
Make sure you disinfect your keyboard often or the drool will make the keys stick.
You are going to love Texas little buddy.
Remember - don't slop on that Jeff Gordon t-shirt.
Them's collectur itums.
Brianne 11/12/2012 7:53:39 PM Report

Also according to the civil war and this court case Texas v.White......... they cannot separate, once you're in, you're in.

Oh and something to do with the 10th amendment

Why am I doing all this research *rolling eyes*

right wing 11/12/2012 7:53:54 PM Report

150 signatures gets the petition on the official White House web site.
25,000 signatures ensures a response from the president.

Looks like any threats of secession would never materialize past a flash in the pan and an irritation to Obama.
Hell if one of them makes it they could be replaced by Puerto Rico anyway.
The voters there have sent a petition to the US Congress for statehood.
right wing 11/12/2012 7:56:41 PM Report

Hey Biff and Chet have rang in with their usual sleuth insight.
right wing 11/12/2012 7:58:32 PM Report

I suppose when you get as old as those two drool and disinfectant are daily items.
shakespeare 11/12/2012 7:59:31 PM Report

So rw: would be be kind enough again to admit that you are an idiot. My suggestion is that you stay out of US politics as you are quite clearly an amateur in that realm.
Brianne 11/12/2012 8:00:18 PM Report

1. Louisiana, 13,426

2. Texas, 18,012

3. Florida, 4,987

4. Alabama, 5,156

5. North Carolina, 4,623

6. Kentucky, 3,929

7. Mississippi, 3,849;

8. Indiana, 3,876;

9. North Dakota, 2,998

10. Montana, 3,378

11. Colorado, 3,746

12. Oregon, 3,230

13. New Jersey, 2,960

14. New York, 3,425

15. South Carolina, 3,193, 2,087

16. Arkansas, 1,537

17. Georgia, 3,912, 2,604

18. Missouri, 2,085, 2,781

19. Tennessee 3,656

20. Michigan 3,230

There you go rw, as of early this afternoon

And Grace, the thought has crossed my mind........ i already have a behemoth of a black lab......... and there dog barks mine doesn't....... what would i do with a shepard pup ? Kinda hard to hide it lmao But honestly, i'm an animal lover and as far as i figure, it's cruel what they are doing
shakespeare 11/12/2012 8:07:12 PM Report

Oh and by the way, rw, exactly what mountain did that small plane whisk you away to on election night? We are interested in your life and love to hear of your adventures. Presumably, a mountaintop enlightenment did not happen! Or was it all a dream?
right wing 11/12/2012 8:07:26 PM Report

So shakespeare: As you are a willnot, I would never hope for an admission from you of any type, that is except perhaps clumping.
My suggestion is that you stay out of the rain, man.

nanag 11/12/2012 8:08:21 PM Report

Call the humane society.. tell them the puppy is left out in cold and neglected.. they will check it out
Brianne 11/12/2012 8:14:54 PM Report

Sure, they will know it's me, no other person in the "hood" cares...... then i have to deal with what ? Pissed off neighbours that drink everyday ........
right wing 11/12/2012 8:20:42 PM Report


You seem really hooked up on dreaming of mountaintop enlightenment....
Careful, you might give away the real reason you use that moniker.

O thou, my lovely boy.
SO many cross-dressing plays.
“beloved fair youth.”
“All they that love not boys and tobacco -- are fools,”.....
shakespeare 11/12/2012 8:23:49 PM Report

"So shakespeare: As you are a willnot, I would never hope for an admission from you of any type, that is except perhaps clumping.
My suggestion is that you stay out of the rain, man."

??? You have me there... I presume you are "speaking in tongues"
right wing 11/12/2012 8:27:26 PM Report

Thanks Brianne.
I was simply interested in what kind of weight this petition had.
It would seem not much.
At least Curly and Moe (shakey) spared you their childish attempt at kicking sand in your face for asking it.
Zing 11/12/2012 8:27:50 PM Report

shakespeare 11/12/2012 8:28:37 PM Report

If you recall, rw, you spoke of your mountaintop experience, yesterday. This is your invention, not mine.

You know, I'd be a little more than a little embarrassed if I were you. But I'm not, so I know you'll carry on in blissful ignorance.

That's it for tonight.
Brianne 11/12/2012 8:37:04 PM Report

That link will give you all the updates on the #'s. I am neither for nor against the petitions, I find it rather interesting that people are taking such a stand........ but they better be careful what they wish for...... certainly don't need a country turning on itself.

Petitions are easy to sign, mark the x, done. If it ever came down to a fight, i bet 8 out of 10 would back down.

These petitions will have implications, and not good ones.

Sure, it's ok to state the dislike of the "power that be". But when it all comes down to it. How many would actually suffer and lose everything to create a separate state ?
right wing 11/12/2012 8:39:41 PM Report

Hahahahaha, Grimms Fairy tales is at it again.
A mountain top experience?
Go back and read what I posted shakespeare, those are your words not mine.
Hey you can obsess over whatever you like and it's O.K., no need to be embarrassed, honest.

right wing 11/12/2012 8:40:49 PM Report invention, lying lefties.
Put another one on the run.

steelworker 11/12/2012 8:43:05 PM Report

Don't worry rw; when Harper blew the Liberals out of the water in the last election the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the lefties went on for weeks. I seem to remember Craig Oliver on election night trying to get his foot out of his mouth after proclaiming a Liberal sweep.
right wing 11/12/2012 8:44:08 PM Report


As I stated, from what I found there seems to be no far reaching power other than 25,000 gets a response from the commander in chief.
I agree that is does show the unrest in the U.S. but I'm betting it will go to the wayside.
The U.S. needs to come closer together, not further apart.
I hope they do.
right wing 11/12/2012 8:46:41 PM Report


I remember...but wholly sh*t this time they won and they still go on proving the point about angry little lefties.
As you can tell shakespeare missed me the most.

right wing 11/12/2012 8:49:59 PM Report

Well I seem to have pissed off some more lefties today.
Oh Bush would say "mission accomplished".

steelworker 11/12/2012 8:54:17 PM Report

Lets carve up that plastic turkey and call it a night.
debo 11/12/2012 8:57:15 PM Report

Holy Schitzwizzle ... even you have to be aware of the TOTAL IRONY in your use of the Bushism "mission accomplished, rw!!

Thank you for being the Bs'er whack-a-mole replacement. Priceless!
flyhawk25 11/12/2012 9:23:22 PM Report

right wing...find another hobby.
It isn't that you are driving people off the site with your erudition.
We are bored with your silly behavior.
Even the Mitt's Morons have fled.
Pretty soon there will be just you with that colander duct taped to your head and the Barry Manilow tunes blaring and Googling arcane nutty neo-con websites.
Sad really. Perfect example of PTSD.
BIG BROTHER 11/12/2012 9:30:15 PM Report

rw, you do seem a little over the top tonite. fly is right.

The word delirious comes to mind. Still far off and away from the acceptance stage I'm afraid.
realitycheck 11/12/2012 9:33:42 PM Report

Published: Nov. 12, 2012
Washington Post

The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s leading oil producer by about 2017 and will become a net oil exporter by 2030, the International Energy Agency said Monday.
That increased oil production, combined with new American policies to improve energy efficiency, means that the United States will become “all but self-sufficient” in meeting its energy needs in about two decades — a “dramatic reversal of the trend” in most developed countries, a new report released by the agency says.
“The foundations of the global energy systems are shifting,” Fatih Birol, chief economist at the Paris-based organization, which produces the annual World Energy Outlook, said in an interview before the release. The agency, which advises industrialized nations on energy issues, had previously predicted that Saudi Arabia would be the leading producer until 2035.
nanag 11/12/2012 10:08:52 PM Report

Please pardon my ignorance..and don't laugh.... but if this article by Elizabeth whoever is on track... why why why has the U.S. NOT been more into the oil business all these years? Why put up with all the crap from the oil producing countries? Is it because of cost? If I was a country I would think enough is enough and just go full tilt into producing my own oil and to hell with those other guys. I know I am politically lacking and I have been described on many occasions as naive..well very naive actually but I have often wondered why this side of the world can't take care of its own oil needs.
Now every body wipe the laughter tears out of their eyes and stop saying ...oh nanag you poor thing..
Brianne 11/12/2012 10:12:28 PM Report

Well now, is this a solution or what !

Seeing that half the USA wants to separate from the Union..... Lets divide it in half ! Line straight down the middle.

Obama runs one side, and Romney the other !

Let the games being !!!
Brianne 11/12/2012 10:23:54 PM Report

Nanag........ politics........ a game.

A game of greed, wealth, etc. etc.

The tables will turn on the USA, you can't be #1 forever.

The revolt is beginning, people are not willing to fight the fight anymore.

Because even if they won, the poor, still remain the poor . Everyone paid for it (war) , but no one gained anything, but the rich.

Eyes are opening to " the game".

You are not naive dear lady, you've figured it out !

AceOfBass 11/12/2012 10:42:27 PM Report

Passenger rail service ended in Northern Ontario because lack of use.It was a waste of tax payers dollars.Now having said that ....

Blame those NDP'ers the two face SOB's who supported the Liberal Budget.They are the ones who allowed this.

IF the lying Dippers had not supported the Budget the ONTC would still be around.

Also two have a look a the Northern Ontario Mayors outside of the Mayor of Timmins they all supported the Liberals.

The Mayors all have the power together to give notice that Northern Ontario is getting screwed over and they want to become the next province.They all are a gutless bunch with not a leader among them.

We in the North have all the wealth and these pinhead mayors don't see it.
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