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Grace 11/9/2012 6:30:28 AM Report

Good quacking Friday!

I see now CNN is pushing that America is teetering on the edge of a "FISCAL CLIFF" and they would like to remind you 53 days to go!!

This election solved ...nothing.

Grump 11/9/2012 6:33:40 AM Report

Good morning everyone, that damn election must have worn all you bloggers out. I see we were joined by a new political expert last evening. He called President Obama extreme while touting Romney as a moderate from a moderate party. Lord, Lord no wonder we have voters here that believe Harper is not changing the way we live to something far worse. As an old friend of mine used to say "Just keep grinning as it will bite you on the a** soon enough". Any of you neo-cons want to try and justify the Sault loosing 37 good jobs fro E.I. when we went P.C.? I hope some of you can explain the net benefit in electing Bryan.
Grace 11/9/2012 6:38:00 AM Report

Grump..Just wondering if you could explan something...is there a difference between what we now call "conservative" and what we used to call "Progressive Conservative"

There seems to be a big difference since the Reform party and the PC merged.
steelworker 11/9/2012 6:42:03 AM Report

I guess people will bitch about Harper running the Canadian economy into the ground until he hits the 16 trillion dollar mark then he will become a god like whasisname.
Grace 11/9/2012 6:48:13 AM Report

steel...the difference is we can actually do something about our government..we just have to want to do something.
Question is what?
BIG BROTHER 11/9/2012 7:11:21 AM Report

The best synopsis of what happened in the election and what is happening in the US. Covers much of what we have witnessed here, on this site. The right wing are heading over 'the cliff'. And this is not what the author wants to see, but O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. are leading the charge.

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20121109/EDITS/121109860
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:15:18 AM Report

Grace,

What in the world are you talking about?
The fiscal cliff was on the horizon for quite some time and expecting the election or the outcome of it to somehow make it go away is rather silly.
The U.S is in very deep financial trouble and the debt started to really spiral out of control beginning with the Reagan era.
Ever since the eighties the taxes for the rich have been steadily reduced while the debt has increased. Reagan is responsible for a 190% increase in the debt load, followed by Bush Junior at 86% and believe it or not Obama's first two years in office amount for 35%.

The myth that Republicans are somehow better money managers and ultimately better for the economy, is just that...a myth.

Republicans scream that Obama has been responsible for ballooning the size of government spending but actual dollar figures are misleading. He sure has increased it but Bush actually increased federal spending by more than 200% compared to Obama!
It is disingenuous
to lay the explosion in spending solely on Obama.

And spending is not the only factor contributing to the deficit. There is a disparity between spending and income. And income for governments means taxes! To expect the economy to grow due to tax cuts for the rich and corporations and hoping for a trickle down effect has been proven time and again to be false. A healthy infrastructure and a high level of education and decent healthcare are far more beneficial to an economy than mega profits for corporations.
A prosperous society cannot flourish under the current disparity between the ultra rich and folks trying to make ends meet. The gap between the rich and the not-so has been steadily increasing, not only in the U.S.
To give corporations a free ride, i.e massive military spending by the U.S to, in essence protect same corporations and not tax them accordingly is the story of Robin Hood in reverse.


Grace 11/9/2012 7:23:35 AM Report

Stats...just relaying what CNN is reporting..I know there has been an issue for a long time. Did the voters?
Problem is they just went through an election and the same people for the most part were elected.
Why wasn't this a larger media issue during the election? Heard snippets.
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:27:23 AM Report

Grace,

Unfortunately you are right. Obama is now faced with the same hard headed group that blocked his every move in the first four years. I truly hope they come to their senses.
He now has nothing to lose and as Commander In Chief I would hope he can somehow make them work together and find some sort of cpmpromise.
Grace 11/9/2012 7:31:20 AM Report

Oh...In the Robin Hood myth he was was a rich guy who watched the government take his land and title. Ultimatley turned him into a terrorist.

Grace 11/9/2012 7:32:30 AM Report

Hope so too stats...something has to give between the two sides in order to move forward.
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:33:08 AM Report

Grace,

Correction.....not "terrorist"...."insurgent".
Grace 11/9/2012 7:33:56 AM Report

lol...noted!
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:38:06 AM Report

I've just noticed steel worker came out of the play pen wants to play ...


steelworker 11/9/2012 6:42:03 AM Report

"I guess people will bitch about Harper running the Canadian economy into the ground until he hits the 16 trillion dollar mark then he will become a god like whasisname."


Right you are steely, Harper inherited a 12 Billion surplus from the Liberals in'06 and managed to not only obliterate it but by now we are 100 billion in the hole!
I know it's a big, big figure for you to comprehend. You are allowed to use your finger when adding up the zeroes.
Grace 11/9/2012 7:42:53 AM Report

Now they are reporting the "Tea party is fighting back"...Republicans saying "Tea party Statement Crap" of GOP must apeal to the middle.

What a mess.

statusquo 11/9/2012 7:43:55 AM Report

Gots to go now folks...can't wait for bluesy's and steely's always to-the-point , razor sharp intellect and mesmerizing acumen.

I am rather worried about rw though. When he left my couch the other day he mumbled something-something about re-inventing himself and a monastery in Tibet. I didn't catch all the details.....
Grace 11/9/2012 7:45:32 AM Report

Stats...give him a big hug for me and tell him we all miss him!
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:50:57 AM Report

Grace,

There was a time....long, long ago when Republicans actually made sense and were populated with reasonable folks.
Now they have affiliated themselves with clowns like Rush , Palin and Trump.
They didn't even give Jon Huntsman a fighting chance. A moderate, highly intelligent candidate...instead we had to endure Perry, Cain and Gingrich for a few agonizing weeks.
William Buckley is turning in his grave.
Grace 11/9/2012 7:55:38 AM Report

Let's hope they can change!
everson 11/9/2012 8:06:22 AM Report

Grace before Wisen gets his panties in a knot you better check your spelling. He takes a fit when you by accident spell a word he is sensitive about.
Have a great day Grace. ;)
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 8:07:03 AM Report

I believe the Libs/NDP bitched that Harpers stimulus was way too little at the time. They also promised to kill Nafta and the GST. No wonder they have become irrelevant. Their saviour is apparently a school teacher who has no problem with Sharia law and a name that makes women giddy. Sound familiar.
everson 11/9/2012 8:08:41 AM Report

Steelworker is still licking his wounds. Now he berates us..again on pointless mantra.
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 8:10:49 AM Report

You forgot "wrong".
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 8:14:22 AM Report

What the hell is "pointless mantra", who talks like that?
everson 11/9/2012 8:29:24 AM Report

Oh Wisen loosen your panties. You are so "uptight". Go live a little. Spend that money, go do something different everyday. Don't forget to laugh and open your eyes to the little things in life. Stop being an old curmudgeon.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 8:31:27 AM Report

I saw a segment of an interview with the film maker Ken Burns.
In it he spoke of the US always having the ability to find "the genius of compromise".
With one exception.
The civil war.
He remains hopeful as I'd like to with this looming fiscal crisis.
Then I watched some of an interview with Speaker Boehner in which he acted like he was going to make the Democrats bend to his will.
Tip O'Neill must be spinning in his grave.
Boehner still apparently doesn't get it.
This president has won two terms and Boehner is not the president.
I thought Nancy Pelosi was a rigid jerk but this guy should consider what could happen when compromise does not work.
Budster 11/9/2012 8:47:18 AM Report

Fly:
I mentioned this yesterday, these people have such deep personal pockets that they don't care what happens to the rest of society as long as they get their way and didn't have to compromise. We are witnessing what money does to people.
Grump 11/9/2012 9:16:35 AM Report

Well Ken W is generally right about money things but the GOP will co-operate this time or they will be a hundred years clawing their way back to any semblance of power. Americans I believe have had enough BS non co-operation.
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 9:18:56 AM Report

Good news!
The election may results may not be official until December. Ultra-close margins in OH & FL may trigger provisional ballot recounts

The ultimate winner may not be formally determined until well into December. The margin between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is just too tight in Ohio. As of midnight on election night Romney actually surpassed Obama, and then vise versa, revealing that the margin that separates the two is negligible at best.

Ken_W 11/9/2012 9:32:35 AM Report

Grump,

You know I'd be a Democrat if I lived in the US. I'm just saying Republicans will have their day again. With any luck it is a long way off though.

I think Obama is doing a good job. Most of the problems the US faces stem from years of fiscal policy abuse from both parties. The structural adjustments are going to take time and they will be painful and it doesn't matter who the president is.

In spite of the current difficulties, America will be just fine over time.
skipper dave 11/9/2012 9:39:55 AM Report

Blues and Steely -Didn't know Whacka-Mole's characters had names?
everson 11/9/2012 9:40:38 AM Report

Blues the election has been determined. Nice try though, I'll give you that. The people have spoken Blues and so has Trump..your hero.
Jimssm 11/9/2012 9:42:37 AM Report

Blues...



Give Florida and Ohio to Romney and Obama still wins.
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 9:44:20 AM Report

West Ridge Mine in Utah blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off.

A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers, as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.

45 companies announce layoff's in the past 48 hours.

Updated list of major companies announcing major layoffs due to the re-election of Barack Obama -


- Westinghouse
- Research in Motion Ltd.
- Lightyear Network Solutions
- Providence Journal
- Hawker Beechcraft
- Boeing
- CVPH Medical Center
- US Cellular
- Commerzbank
- Iberia
- Momentive Performance Materials
- Brake Parts
- Gameforge Berlin
- Vestas Wind Systems
- Husqvarna
- ING
- Ericsson
- SRA International
- PerkinElmer
- Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
- Center for Hospice NY
- Bristol-Myers
- Lower Bucks Hospital
- Oce North America
- Corning
- United Blood Services Gulf
- Atlantic Lottery Corporation
- Welch Allyn
- Dana Holding
- Stryker
- Boston Scientific
- Medtronic
- Smith & Nephew
- Abbott Labs
- Covidien
- Kinetic Concepts
- St. Jude
- Hill Rom
- Darden Restaurants
- JANCOA
- Kroger
- Caterpillar
- Alcatel-Lucent
- Umatilla Chemical

The libs got their way; food stamps in place of jobs.
RLE 11/9/2012 9:46:39 AM Report

Bles...Even Rush Limbaugh hasn't come up with that scenario.. Being to the right of Rushbo is quite an achievement.
realitycheck 11/9/2012 9:50:17 AM Report

The ultimate winner may not be formally determined until well into December. The margin between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is just too tight in Ohio. As of midnight on election night Romney actually surpassed Obama, and then vise versa, revealing that the margin that separates the two is negligible at best.

BSer:
Obama is the winner without Florida and he also would be the winner without Ohio since Ohio has only 18 electoral votes. Take them away and he is still the winner so where are you getting your information, maybe from Karl Rove and Donald Trump?
I suppose I shouldn't expect an answer as you won't read this.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 9:58:02 AM Report

Rush and his posse are in panic mode right now because they have empty air-time to fill and no issue to bleat about.
I doubt they are passionate about much more than sponsors bailing.
And he and Hannity and their producers will see their audience shrink to only the bottom feeders, their market share decrease and sponsors leave.
There is a delightful irony that they will become the victims of a free market system.
Prediction?
Watch for Rush on info-mercials and either Dancing With Stars or Survivor.
When you are a one trick pony you run out of options when the horse dies.
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 10:07:32 AM Report

Here we go again, Obummer announced he’s jetting off on a victory lap around Southeast Asia!
Lets not allow a new government report warning about the Jan. 1 fiscal cliff that will plunge the US into a recession and drive the unemployment rate up to 9.1 percent get in the way of a good party.
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 10:15:33 AM Report

Eversons .. As I see it, I'm not old, travel extensively and found out Honey Boo Boo has a new pet chicken. Thought you'd like to know!
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 10:26:07 AM Report

Dow Jones has lost 800 million market cap since Tuesday. H'mm what happened Tuesday? (glad I have gold companies). To the "what more can gov't do for me crowd", your largess comes from investments that your private and public entities make in the market. Like I mentioned Honey Boo Boo has a new pet chicken.
debo 11/9/2012 10:26:14 AM Report

Aw c'mon BS'er where's "Bye bye Bobo"? I'm just sayin ... it's a winner for you if you keep it goin' FOUR MORE YEARS.

Footnote: I'd like to be done with the US election ... but reserve the right to "whack the moles".

Next ... I think it does show leadership on Harper's part to explore increasing Asian markets (other than China). I'd rather we dealt with India and other (relatively) democratic countries in the region. I hope his trip is a real success and not just a PR event. If it works out, all credit to him.
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 10:28:52 AM Report

AND Obummer still has to explain all that blood on his hands from the Benghazi massacre.
You know, the one where he sat back and did nothing to help American citizens being murdered by Islamist extremists - all for the sake of political expediency.

Obummers worst nightmare - the Truth is gonna get him.
Voiceofreason 11/9/2012 10:30:45 AM Report

Stats, we're also in hard economic times. If we didn't have a national debt right now, I'd be surprised.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 10:33:05 AM Report

I am not going to bite...I am not going to bite...I am not going...
Aaarrggghhhh!
There.
I feel better.
everson 11/9/2012 10:37:38 AM Report

Wisen I travel too. At one time I was in Australia and New Zealand and FYI there is only one of me, not two, much to your chagrin. So therefore Eversons becomes everson.
thumbs4208 11/9/2012 10:38:29 AM Report

Oi would like to know why Sootoday banned a reader for posting that our water is not safe - we all know mor most of us have read the Ontario water is not up to standards - lead content is too high. Is this the sootoday highschool behaviour bs - you scratch my back I'll scrat yours - boo sootoday you suck - again.
realitycheck 11/9/2012 11:02:31 AM Report

Obummers worst nightmare - the Truth is gonna get him.

BSer:
You have always been a one-trick pony but this is getting bizarre. Let it go, man. If you keep up with your obsession with Obama it is going to affect your health. And that could put you in the hands of the health-care system you loathe.
RLE 11/9/2012 11:25:02 AM Report

Realitycheck

Nah! B'ser will go to the states and pay for his healthcare with his credit card
everson 11/9/2012 12:13:56 PM Report

Seems Bluesslinger is in the same time warp wavelength as Donald Trump. They cancel each other out in real-time.
Wicket 11/9/2012 1:32:45 PM Report

RLE, check the garage sales in the classifieds, under - in the porch, 144 McGregor and if you do come, please let me know who you are.... hope to see you
Grace 11/9/2012 2:12:02 PM Report

Ok...blues...Where did you get the list?
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 2:18:25 PM Report

There are many sources Gracie, here's one;
http://tinyurl.com/d7b4lrq
KENNEDY919 11/9/2012 2:21:01 PM Report

The public sector fiscal debt in Canada is in much worse shape than that of the USA when you look at the Fiscal realities of both countries.
If push came to shove the American Fiscal crisis could easily be dealt with by simply increasing taxes on the purchase of fuel,alcohol and tobacco.For some reason there is no political will to deal with their deficit through increased taxation. Here in Canada we are maxed out on the ability to deal with public sector debt through increased taxation. The USA also has nine times the population whereby monies collected through increased taxation can be collected in a quicker manner.Just imagine if the USA implemented an HST tax for all purchases.
Wages in the Canadian public sector are much higher than our neighbours to the south. The public sector unions here in Canada have done well increasing the pay rates and pension plans of public sector employees. The government knows that it must battle these unions to get costs in line with the reality as to what it can afford to pay going forward as they deal with spiralling costs in health care with the aging of the baby boomers. Unlike the USA, Canadian politicians have passed a lot of favourable labour law legislation that will make it more difficult to battle these unions.
The USA spends more money on their military budget than the next seven countries in the world with the biggest military budgets.There is a lot of room for savings in this area as the USA use drones and participate with NATO whereby the cost of the military conflict is shared amongst all NATO countries. Simply put the USA taxpayer can no longer bear the cost of being the Policeman for the world.
Here in Canada we spend a much smaller percentage of our tax revenues on the military yet we manage to drive up our debt on other things.
In the USA the politicians have a serious problem in reaching a common ground. They have the option of increasing taxes to deal with any crisis. In Canada the politicians do not have the ability to tax anymore when we approach the Fiscal cliff. That cliff is closer than we think.We must hope that interest rates remain low and that our dollar does not get any stronger due to natural resources that we have and not due to any ingenious governance by our government or politicians. We can always go the Ontario route and close government down.
Grace 11/9/2012 2:32:20 PM Report

Thanks blues.
debo 11/9/2012 2:34:59 PM Report

C'mon BS'er don't give up on your fave mantra now. Only FOUR MORE YEARS ... hang in there(use natural-fiber rope if you're gonna do it ... less slippage).

C'mon one more time with feeling ...

Bye bye Bobo!
Four more years and you can tell everybody ... "See, I told you so".
Grace 11/9/2012 2:39:02 PM Report

More confusion.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/election-results-not-official-until-december-ultra-close-margins-in-oh-fl-may-trigger-provisional-ballot-recounts/
TankGirl 11/9/2012 2:48:49 PM Report

Any US business that fires employees because of what MIGHT happen should be sued for wrongful dismissal. Anybody who lawyers up will win IMO. If I were one of those people you best believe I would sue their asses off.


TankGirl 11/9/2012 2:53:39 PM Report

I'm willing to bet these CEOs were already going to lay off these people. They intentionally waited until after the election so they could blame it on the President. Remember, the vast majority of the ACA has not been enacted yet. Why would a business owner lay off workers in advance, in fear of a new law, if those workers are currently useful to the company's bottom line? Wouldn't it be more realistic that a business owner would wait until the workers are actually a drag on profits?

Just doesn't add up any other way.
AceOfBass 11/9/2012 2:56:06 PM Report

It is going to be interesting to watch the next 4 years in the USA.
This is where we will witness the USA implode from within.

We now have a President who likes in subsidized housing(White House.

The massive tax grab from wealthy Americans.We will be witnessing the start of another great recession caused by this inept President.The job losses will be devastating because of their flawed healthcare plan.

The Muslim Brotherhood will infiltrate the US government and it will have a negative effect on the country.

More Americans will immigrate to Canada.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 3:09:25 PM Report

Ace...why stop there?
What about the little green men who hide under your bed?
Another reason why an IQ test before voting may be a good idea.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 3:14:40 PM Report

Breaking News...the head of the CIA resigned over an extra-marital affair.
I can't wait to read on here how it is President Obama's fault.
TankGirl 11/9/2012 3:28:07 PM Report

WHY would an American unhappy with the US/Barack being elected move to Canada??? LOL! That's pretty funny.
RLE 11/9/2012 3:51:06 PM Report

Flyhawk:

Of course it's Obama's fault.He hired Petraeus. Besides that Obama has a lower moral standards than conservatives. I know Cons. never have extra marital affairs.

Of course, I also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
realitycheck 11/9/2012 4:05:32 PM Report

"More confusion.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/election-results-not-official-until-december-ultra-close-margins-in-oh-fl-may-trigger-provisional-ballot-recounts/"

Grace:
As was already pointed when BSer brought this up, Obama wins without either Ohio or Florida. He only needed 270 electoral votes and he has 285 without either of these two.
realitycheck 11/9/2012 4:13:48 PM Report

"There are many sources Gracie, here's one;
http://tinyurl.com/d7b4lrq"

BSer:
You are actually telling us this is a legitimate list. Jeez, people, take a look for yourselves. He got it off a blog. My God, man, have you no decency in you at all?
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 4:21:07 PM Report


How Many Businesses Have Announced Closings or Layoffs Since Obama Won A Second Term?

• Energizer -

The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.


• Exide Technologies -

Exide Technologies announced Thursday that it will be idling its lead-recycling operations in Laureldale and laying off 150 workers, effective no later than March 31.



• Westinghouse -

Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.



• Research in Motion Limited -

Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.

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• Lightyear Network Solutions -

More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.



• Providence Journal -

The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.



• Hawker Beechcraft -

The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.



• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -

Boeing Co. said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.



• CVPH Medical Center -

CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.



• US Cellular -

The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.



• Momentive Performance Materials -

About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.



• Rocketdyne -

About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.



• Brake Parts -

The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013

• Vestas Wind Systems -
Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.



• Husqvarna -

Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.



• Center for Hospice New York -

The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.



• Bristol-Meyers -

Bristol-Myers Squibb is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.



• OCE North America -

Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.



• Darden Restaurants -

The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.



• West Ridge Mine -

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014″ and for drastically reducing the market for coal.



• United Blood Services Gulf -

United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce.
Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

•Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
•Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
•The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
•Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
•Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
•The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
•Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
•Movie Scene Milford Location NH
•Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
•Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
•Kmart in Homer Glen
•Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
•AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
•The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
•The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
•Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
•Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
•Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
•The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost
- theblaze.com
Grace 11/9/2012 5:02:11 PM Report

thanks reality!
AceOfBass 11/9/2012 5:38:04 PM Report

Flyhawk25, If the Yanks had to take an IQ test before voting, Obama would have lost.
Those that voted for him were the dimwits and Dofuses.

The only reason he got re -elected is because people voted for him because they felt that because of his skin colour he was one of them.

99% of them did not even know the issues.They did not even know who the VP is.

The Americans who voted for Obama were from the bottom of the food chain and had know idea what the election was about.
AceOfBass 11/9/2012 5:44:55 PM Report

What is really scary is that some dimwits in our country are going support the knucklehead Justin Trudeau for Liberal leader.The other scary thing is the dimwit Mulcair of the Dippers.Two people that should not be anywhere near the reins of power.
debo 11/9/2012 5:51:17 PM Report

Ok Bs'er here we go ... and for others who may have read the latest serving of BS'er BS ...

THIS IS A FAIRLY LENGTHY POST

From the COLORADO SPRINGS GAZETTE (NOV. 7 2012)

"Target will close its longtime store at Academy Boulevard and Platte Ave. EARLY NEXT YEAR, another blow to aging, retail-depleted sections ...

"The decision to close a Target store is NOT MADE LIGHTLY ... We decide to close a store after careful consideration of the long-term financial performance of A PARTICULAR LOCATION. Typically a store is closed as a result of seeing several years of DECREASING PROFITABILITY".(M. Snyder)

The VAST MAJORITY of the store's roughly 70 employees are being offered the option to transfer to Target's four other local stores (M. Snyder- Target spokeswoman).

Target is the latest retailer to either close or relocate a store from South and Central Academy, OLDER AREAS WHERE HOUSEHOLD INCOMES ARE LOWER THAN IN FASTER-GROWING NORTH AND NORTHEAST PORTIONS OF THE SPRINGS".

The article goes on to state that other retailers have left the Academy Area over the LAST 10 to 15 YEARS ... moving to the Powers Boulevard Area ... considered to be the Springs #1 retail area.

* I have added capitalization only to stress the ACTUAL NATURE and REASONS FOR THE CLOSURE OF THE TARGET STORE.


* I pulled this particular store closure at random from the BS-list and just wanted to check on the BS'ers "facts".

* Any abridging of the article was for the sake of brevity ... it did not change or modify the FACTS stated in the article.

The Bs'er doesn't deal in facts rather he deals in his "facts". I think that anytime this "fact-stater" posts on here you should consider the source.

He grabbed some list from some blog that omits context and threw them together to make a seemingly impressive list of company closures and job losses. He didn't cover any of the circumstances or eventual outcomes involved ... and tried by innuendo to dump it at the feet of Obama.

mallet 11/9/2012 5:57:58 PM Report

Fly...

How long are they going to flog this dead horse.. The election is done and over with, all the autopsy's in the world will not change the result. Whatever happens will happen, and digging up who has laid off and/or downsized will still not change the result.. Wait until Obama comes up with a deal and then by all means comment on it.. So the Loonie is down a few percentage points, thats good for business in this country, but will cost you a few extra cents to go and buy your stuff over the bridge, now you can have something to moan about that actually affects you and your pocket book!!!
debo 11/9/2012 6:13:02 PM Report

I only checked three of the Bs'er "facts".

Here are the other two:

The Target store in Manassas Mall Va. is closing for THE SAME REASONS that the Target in Colorado Springs is and UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES ... workers get the OPTION TO TRANSFER.

The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care New York ... while the Bs'ers list of "facts" does mention in passing that the LAY-OFFS ARE TEMPORARY it fails to mention that the Hospice has IN FACT ADDED 70 JOBS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.



Buzzola 11/9/2012 6:23:49 PM Report

I see we have some proud residents of Bullsh*t Mountain here at Sootoday. They actually link to Glenn Beck with a straight face. It's like a parody of Teabaggers, but their dead serious. Glenn Beck,LOL.
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 6:30:28 PM Report

Look at the mess president elect Obama has inherited! Krikies!
steelworker 11/9/2012 6:35:58 PM Report

Same old,same old every day on this site. Nice to see that Petraeus had the moral fortitude to resign over an alleged affair unlike Slick Willy who went on t.v. and blatantly lied to the American public.Of course the gullible democrats guzzled the kool-aid and gave the weasel a pass. Fast-forward to the election this year and guess what-Obama gets a liar to back a bullshitter. Obama is taking a whirl-wind tour of Asia to celebrate; I guess that the East Coast is not so hot this time of year.
Buzzola 11/9/2012 6:36:00 PM Report

Hey Jethro, the Husqvarna layoffs are in Sweden. LOL. Glenn Beck(facepalm).
TankGirl 11/9/2012 6:41:08 PM Report

Blues list is bs. Example: Energizer announced its restructuring plan in September. They are just now determining where the cuts will be but they have confirmed they are shutting down production plants. What does that tell you? They aren't selling so less production is needed.

The same story goes for a lot of the companies on that list. Republican news sources, more so pathetic independents that don't fact check like the Blaze, are terrible sources for accurate info.
shakespeare 11/9/2012 6:49:24 PM Report

I really don't know why some of you feed the "stink".
It's been a wonderful afternoon re-stringing guitars, listening to great music, cleaning fish and checking in from time to time to time to see the motley crew who fall into the categories of just plain uneducated, uneducated and malignant or the victims of a Black and Decker garage experiment in trepanning gone horribly wrong.
shakespeare 11/9/2012 7:04:58 PM Report

Is it the Black or the Blue Knight? Same result every day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

statusquo 11/9/2012 7:11:24 PM Report

It truly is mind-boggling reading some of the comments by blue, steel and ace...with the occasional turd thrown in for good measure by wisen.
I am at a loss for words. A veritable collection of utterly unsophisticated grunts.
Not a single cogent thought worth commenting on.
steelworker 11/9/2012 7:11:36 PM Report

Shakey: leave the libs/democrats alone. They know not what they spew. At the end of 4 years you will be able to go across the bridge and buy an American. They will do yardwork for food and shelter. If they don't do what you tell them you can send them back to Amerika.
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 7:30:58 PM Report

shakes...I would say LOL but I think we both try to avoid the language of the groups about whom you wrote.
It is predictable and uneducated drivel.
I actually went back and checked my announcement of Petraus's resignation and realized in my haste to predict the dumb response I forgot the Clinton denial.
Rats.
I'm glad that your day was more productive.
I spent mine getting a scaling at my dentist. And I realized my body hasn't endured as well as my teeth and intellect.
Then again I can get new teeth but unlike some of the posters who have better oral health my intellect will endure.
They can't polish what they don't have.
everson 11/9/2012 7:32:13 PM Report

Steels Harper is in Asia. Be informed
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:36:46 PM Report

Is it any wonder that occasionally even their dogs try to run away?
statusquo 11/9/2012 7:52:11 PM Report

To put the bullshit in perspective...I was digging for nuggets and there are plenty....this is just one.



"bluesslinger 11/4/2012 12:54:57 PM Report"

MI: R 47% O 46%
- Foster McCollum White Baydoun a national public opinion polling and voter analytics consulting firm

PA: R 47% O 47%
-Susquehanna Polling & Research

FL: Romney

This is huge. Obummer owned these states in '08 and were considered once safely in the dem column - but no more.

RASMUSSEN SUNDAY: R 49% O 49%

In Ohio 30,000 turn out for Romney, 2800 for Obama. In 2008,Obama attracted 80,000 people.
All of 200 came to an Obama event featuring Stevie Wonder!

Obummer has been exposed. He has done little to help in the wake of Sandy other than a stroll along the beach and a few speeches. Couple that with the Bengahzi massacre that the lib media is trying to bury, and it's a net loss in the advance voting for Obummer.

As of today, 11 newspapers that endorsed Obama in 2008 have now endorsed Mitt Romney:

The New York Daily News;
Long Island Newsday;
Houston Chronicle;
Fort Worth Star-Telegram;
Orlando Sentinel;
Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel;
Nashville Tennessean;
Des Moines Register;
Illinois Daily Herald;
Los Angeles Daily News;
Los Angeles Press-Telegram.
Seven papers that endorsed Obama in 2008 have switched to no endorsement.

The momentum is with Romney.
Don't believe the lefty lib media.

Bye bye BoBo..."


Next task on my agenda is to find the post by "steelworker" where he is suggesting taking his dog to defecate on Jack Layton's grave, about a week after his funeral.
I am just trying to illustrate the level of single cell organisms we are dealing with here.

statusquo 11/9/2012 8:12:40 PM Report

Didn't take me long...here it is...a gem....

"steelworker 6/23/2012 7:59:12 PM Report

Lemme know where the new Jack Layton Park is in Quebec. My dog has the trots."


Why I bother with this a_-hole is beyond me.
Grump 11/9/2012 9:02:51 PM Report

Good evening ladies and fellows. It's a tough call with trolls like these. If you feed them it gives them a sense of belonging when in fact they should not be allowed out in polite society. That said how does one ignore something that is rude, crude, malicious and dumb at the same time. Maybe one just keeps hitting the report button until the Moderator gets sick of it and bans them or us. It solves the problem one way or the other
everson 11/9/2012 9:05:35 PM Report

Steels you have as much class as a teabag. Sad
Grump 11/9/2012 9:05:52 PM Report

Status I have some time later next week to get my pony in. I might even buy lunch. Let me know when.
Grump 11/9/2012 9:07:20 PM Report

Everson do not insult a poor teabag, a douche bag maybe. lol
flyhawk25 11/9/2012 9:27:22 PM Report

SQ...thanks for doing the research.
A new reader on this site might think some previous posters are being picked on.
In fact they are having to face the light of the truth of their ignorance.
Both intellectually and socially.
Thoughtful conservative readers must blush at what some of these morons keep spouting.
And I believe that is a symptom of a larger malaise in NA society.
In the US the Republicans have milked this gene pool until the swamp is dry.
But I believe that there is a decent moderate neo-con silent minority who are as embarrassed as the families of these clowns.
I hope that they speak up and tell Boehner and the rest of the architects of this mess that it is time to shut up and find solutions while there is time.
Before the internet I wonder how long these idiots would survive actually having to defend their crap in public in the daylight.
steelworker 11/9/2012 9:37:18 PM Report

Spoken like a true bloviating scrotom.
bluesslinger 11/9/2012 9:38:43 PM Report

Coal company Alpha Natural Resources announced Tuesday it would be laying off 1,200 workers and closing eight coal mines to face two new challenges: cheap natural gas and “a regulatory environment that’s aggressively aimed at constraining the use of coal.”

The Associated Press reports that the company is cutting production by 16 million tons and 1,200 jobs nationwide, with 400 layoffs occurring immediately by closing coal mines in Virginia, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/coal-company-facing-aggressive-regulations-announces-1200-layoffs/#ixzz2BmdOiJRK
Oldie Goldie 11/9/2012 9:39:22 PM Report

Another unreported 1/2 hour Power Failure in the downtown area.

P.U.C. at it again but this time no cause reported.

Right at suppertime too.

The P.U.C. is probably getting tired of reporting their failures.
TankGirl 11/9/2012 9:49:21 PM Report

All I know is I can't stand misinformation because it spreads like wild fire. For that reason, I cave in to the need to expose it.

On that note...Coal?? Are you serious?? LOL! The coal industry has been on the decline for years.

This is hilarious.
Ken_W 11/9/2012 10:18:45 PM Report

Alpha Natural Resources major problem is too much debt. More than twice the equity in the business.

Cash flows are being squeezed by weak met coal demand from the steel industry and weak steam coal demand because the alternative, natural gas, is cheaper for utilities to burn at present prices.

Their problems have nothing to do with regulation. That is a scape goat. Not surprisingly, the stock has been crushed over the last few years. If they can figure out how to deal with the debt load this may be a great investment. It is not for me though!
debo 11/9/2012 10:25:13 PM Report

BS'er, stick with the Bye bye Bobo mantra ... in time it will be FACTUAL.
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 10:56:26 PM Report

If Obama is impeached over Benghazi and has to resign, comedian Joe Biden will be the new Pres. Even I think this is a very bad idea!
Wisenheimer 11/9/2012 11:02:24 PM Report

Status I warned you several times "never kick a fresh turd on hot day" but you just don't listen.
Now look at your shoes.
steelworker 11/10/2012 2:17:10 AM Report

He wears high heels.
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